Thanks to Allah. May Allah relief them. Salam

Too bad Hibo Nura, Garisa people don't marry from outside the family. He already taken and got kids ... ehem ehem .... Salam

Originally posted By JB: Dear OG_GIRL, my teacher Originally posted By: Smith: I guess you got a bad teacher in O.GGirl, she is the toughest warlord around Why I feel you both are Yusuf cade and Morgan and I am Dhoobley people ...you both using me for your own political agian a k a your tribal war :rolleyes: :rolleyes: You wont drag me into this dirty tribal War. Sorry I am smarter than this game!! Like the victim is the tough warlord ..so let us blame OG Girl :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Salam

Oroginally posted by J B : Your so called ppl of Dhoobley aka(Self styled Colonel Ali Dheere and co ) have to find a scapegoat since admiting that they lost to soley the JVA is unacceptable to them , so Sheikh Yousuf Indha cade makes a prefect victim. First, who is Ali Dheeere? is he my sub sub clan so I can go and look my books to find some excuses for him ?then back to reply to you :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Salam

Originally posted by J B : Politically i´m the student of OG_GIRL :rolleyes: Allahoma najena!!.. I also tought you do never defend any Worlord ..you are bad bad student :mad: :mad: ...My mistake I should also make you From Qabridahare Salam

Seriously, sister there is nothing called somali politics is just people defending their warlords or if they don't have one of their own they support the one who against the one they hate most ..as we say in arabic " 3adow 3adowy 9adeqy" . translation: my enemy's enemy is my friend. Kind of logic Salam

LOL Salam

Origonally posted by Xarago: And eddo you are right I might be a foreigner (as you perceive) when it comes to you and morgan, barre, and co. But that does not refuse me to have a go when I can.. ... LOOOOOOOOL..eedo wallahi I like you and your funny posts . you are not foreigner (atleast my side you are Somali just like me ) and definetly you have right to have you go. But all I wanted from you to be some how fair and think about these poor people too not just your hate toward Morgan clouds your judgments. JB,Intresting points. Salam

The human heart is very mysterious. Here I was worrying about what death I would hear about concerning my family, yet never imagining the death on the other side. That is why I am always careful, you both side Morgan,s and Hiiraale's supporters were worry about their families and about their relatives BUT these poor people since neither Morgan's sub-clan NOR Hiiraale's Sun-clan..no one could imagined cause simple they aint related to you and probably wont hear their death . Still, you sporting them -one or another simple your sub-clan gave him seat in so called parliament :rolleyes: :rolleyes: . People, don't fool us . you both sides support these worlord cause is from your family or your clan. If I am wrong correct me please, why any other Nomads don't support who is not from these both sub-clan whom fighting in Juba? one better than another? Somali will never have peace as long some of us supporting criminals like hiiraale and morgan and also others cause they related to us. You can play with words and sing ONE better than onother and I will say they both are criminals and should be behind the bars not in Nairibi. Xarago, Horn, is some how reasonable and when he finds him self wrong atleast he try to be fair and correct.. so give him a credit. He is different than you. He wants war to stop while ALL you care is war to contineu , simple that benefits and suits your agenda. You just hidding behind Morgan and how he is devil walking we agree with you he is an devil but also we care about our people who related to us in Juba while you people away in Hargesa and North....Xarago you busted eedo Salam

Salafi thanks For compliment . But you can keep your Fatwa cause it NOT needed here."This is not suicide, it is martyrdom .." Try "youR very kind" Fatwa and see if they buy it, Cause this is not suicide, So your Fatwa doesn't apply here. Tell Israelians and American cause they are who suicide!!.Seems they tought you to take Quraan and Ahadeth out of context with out knowing the real meaning. ------------------------------------------------- "Open war Hamas has branded the Israeli action a ' war crime' Hamas spokesman Mushir al-Masri, in the first official reaction for the resistance movement, said: "This ugly Israeli crime ... will not pass unpunished. "It is an open war between the Zionists and us," he declared. Another spokesman for the movement in Gaza, Sami Abu Zuhri, described the attack as "a war crime". "When the Israeli army goes down to that level of criminality and uses its tanks and helicopters to violently target such camps, then this reflects a major war crime," Abu Zuhri told Aljazeera. World silence Abu Zuhri questioned the absence of the international community in condemning the action by "the so-called State of Israel". Palestinian FM Nabil Shaath (L) said strike was 'terror attack' He said the US administration had previously condemned the Palestinian resistance. "Now, our people have been slain so violently but we have not heard a single condemnation by this administration." Abu Zuhri vowed that the "Palestinian people will absolutely stand in the face of the crimes committed against it." "Despite the US administration's conspiracy, the international weakness and Arab silence, the will of our people will never be weakened," he said. "The resistance will continue against this criminal enemy." Highest toll Palestinian Foreign Minister Nabil Shaath issued a statement branding it a "terrorist attack by Israeli occupation forces" and accusing Israel of trying to thwart efforts to restore calm. The growing spiral of violence could further complicate Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's plan to withdraw troops and settlers from the occupied Gaza Strip by the end of 2005. The strike inflicted the highest single-day death toll in the coastal enclave since 12 May, when troops killed 15 Palestinians in raids in Gaza City and the southern Gaza Strip. Later that month, Israeli forces killed 41 Palestinians in the Gaza border town of Rafah during four days of fighting. Crowding the bloodied halls of Gaza's Shifa Hospital, hundreds of Hamas men carried their dead comrades aloft crying "Allahu Akbar" (God is the greatest) and vowing revenge. Aljazeera + Agencies Link You don't know what these people facing and you just running copy and paste Fatwa ..you can't support just Do favor and keep your fatwa cause we aint buying it :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Salam

Qac Qac, first time we agreed ..shall we celebrate ..loooooooooooool Any ways Ramadan kareem . I said ALL I gotta to say in this topic and I am done . Salam

حياك والله أختى أوجى_جيرل مانتى عرÙتى أهوة مش بس قهوة للورايات لالا... وكمان للوريايات ... تطلبى أية شيشة بالعسل ولا بالتÙاح أو أقولك أطلب لك الأولانى! . LOOOOOOOOOOOL@sheeshah, a3odo bellah mn sheesha o mn a97ab al sheesha..lol 2walan ramadan kareem, thaneyan... shno sheeshah ele enta tatakalan 3anha? dana galbanah o motdayenah awy awy... . Mleesh fel 7agad deh ya ayoub Pepsi yafe bel gara'9 :cool: . Yalla take care ana bel jama3ah o 3edena mo7atharah. al dector mo3deny al na'6rah alwes5ah ele 3arefha ba2a ..lol Time to go back to dars. Salam

Ok here some Nomads : Legens of Zu : Short, blackchinesse, can be innocent and do evil act at the same time ...I haven't seen some one can be like that Lucky :Short, baby face. easy to get alone with her at the same time have strong mind who have no patient to argue with any issue. Clasique, same background maybe that is why we clicked so easy. Some one have their own at the same time kind of " lakom denakom wa leyah deen". she have great personality.. she is like me " don't judge me , I wont judge you" kind of stuff . Salam

OG Girl I am back sisters, excuse my absence, of all the Aqeedah topics that I've posted it seems that you are more interested in Mutaa than princiles such as Imaamah, Rajcah, Bidaa. So OG Girl sis, you are talking about kufr, how about the belief of the Shia of the Kufr of Abu Bakar, Omar and Othman, Aisha and the rest of trhe companions, can you please shed some light on it without religiously lying using your tuqya gear? Brother Nur, your problem, you don't give people any change and just made up your mind.Not ready to debate at all. You logic is just Bush's logic "With me or you are terrorist"!! Yours is "Be with me OR you are not true "Muslim" !!!!. Brother,Yes I am Arab native speaker and I didn't read your sources, I just scanned quickly. There is majority of Shia who don't disrespect Sahaba, who don't held meeting for Mut'a, Shia scholers who don't ask women to meet them after the lecters and ask for Mut'a, out there you can find on the internet, You are going to have to do some research. I am not going to do it for you. I really just don't have the patience to do a job of work for somebody who keeps saying all I got to say is Rubbish and I have shirk 3aqeedah. So I am content to leave you to your own things. When you saw me saying these Good fearing muslims are "kuffar"?? Or you just assume that since your very selective "sources" say that so you have to say ALL Shia are like this!!!! Tell me what is different between you and Bush's Media?? they find people who are extreme like Osama, Abu al hamza' al- masry, Taliban ..etc and say see these are muslims!!!. I don't blidly wave flags wallalo. I always reason. So no worries about me and good luck. I wont allow you to drag me into a pointless arguements, I have a lot of studies,tests, quizs to worry about than pointless arguement with some body made up their mind. peace brother. Salaam

Hope you use your commen sense and understand why I was avoiding Islamic point of view cause simply is very complicated and I know more than any one else why? cause my self I study Share'a. Secondly don't make sunna and Shia point of view... I don't blidly follow every thing I use my brain and do my own judgment.I disagree a lot of things with Shia like beating them selves in Muharam month is totally unislamic and make no sense at all SO I rejected that and still I consider my self Shia. Also I have great respect for Muslim Scholers regardless what Madhab they follow. As I always admire and take Sheikh Al Qaradawi's point of view.I am not blidly follower as I am Share's Law Student . I take what makes sense and use my judgment to choice what our Scholers say and I don't limit my self with one Scholer or one School of Fiqh.So painting me as a rejecter of Sunna School of Fiqh is invalid. My point is, By condemning them, we will point the finger at them. The victims become the accused. The terrorized are called the terrorist. That is what has been happening in Palestine. That is all to it. I am just done with argueing.You will not change my Mind as I am not willing to change yours. Salam

My arguments are still the same and everything I have said before stands. Let me ask you a very simple question, how does someone whose land has been stolen and great injustices being committed against him/her and his/her people defend themselves? Suicide is Haraam there is no question about it and suicide is when one takes their lives senselessly; just because they fed up with the living or they lives have no meaning. Having said that, we both agree defending oneself the best way one can and/or know how is called a war of self-defence or just war. In wars, people die and this is the war of the weak against the strong. Since we both agree suicide is Haraam, let us agree on a term that will make you happy and I am open to suggestions. However, I have one condition and that is you agree this is a war of the weak against a strong aggressor and the weak has no choice but to defend themselves. I wait for your term! Allow me now to touch upon the Islamic element of this war and why the war is a just war. Warfare has changed a lot since the time of the Prophet. Today we have cruise missiles, precision bombs, nuclear weapons and countless other sophisticated weapons. Because of this today, we have one side with huge sophisticated weapons and the other side with nothing; living proof of this is Israel vs Palestine. We all know there were no bombs during the prophets time let alone suicide bombing and thus there will be no and there are no Hadith and Aayaah that tell us, whether they are Haraam or Halal. The only opition that is open to us then is to use Qiyas and that is what our scholars depend on when making a Fatwa. There are three criteria one has to consider whether something is Halal or not and in order, to issue Fatwa and they are, 1) The person would rather not die but does it for Islam --- This is happening because the Palestine’s are defending an Islamic land (Jerusalem) 2) Non-suicide (waiting for a better term from you) methods of warfare are not sufficiently effective in their situation—tanks, F16 are used against them when they don’t have these weapons. 3) The war in which the suicide bomber is taking part is vital for the Ummah.--- true same reason as one. Since the Palestine’s fulfil the above three conditions and therefore their cause is a just one from Islamic point of view. If you have anything that contradicts the above, please feel free to share them. Having said that, there are Hadith of mujahideen charging directly at enemy lines in order to break up the enemy's formation whilst knowing that they would die. This seems a bit like the older technological equivalent of Palestinian martyrdom operations. Correct me if I am wrong - Eating Pork is Haraam, but when one is in danger of starving, one allowed to eat enough to nourish themselves. Extending this logic further one would conclude defending oneself with non conventional methods is allowed to since one is saving their lives and not dying needlessly. I am curious though, what makes you say that the fatwa I read and follow is worse than the one you may read and follow? In addition, I mentioned that I take my position from the Qur'an and Hadith, which are quiet clear. As a student of Islamic Sharia, it is my Job to think. This is what we have those brains for and if you would like I could post fatwa for you then, just let me know. Whenever there are issues where scholars have differences, these differences come as a mercy. A commoner without much knowledge is in no way able to make Ijtihad on what is correct. So commoners should chose and follow a scholar. Now if someone decides to follow Shiekh Al Qaradawi in one issue and Abdullah bin Baz in another, he/she is making a judgement between the two, and thus demeaning one of them based on his personal judgement Salam

Taqwa, We understood the sister very well. We just showing her other side of the story. The problem she and other call "suicide bomber which is Haraam and I say is Haraam. "But IN Palastine , "This is not suicide, it is martyrdom in the name of God, as This is not suicide, it is martyrdom in the name of God. as Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi said on TV show and he always explain it". I repeat Suicide is Haraam BUT This is not suicide, it is martyrdom in the name of God. . Here I think we understood each other :cool: :cool: PS: SISTER TAQWA, We don't need too many muslims , we just need quality here the link : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/3875119.stm Salam

Nice picture and Funny. looooooooooooooooooool@QM Salam

Damn! what is ALL hate things dee. Dawaco, need help? I want excuse to start fight with Juxa. You remember the other day she called me Fat and ugly? :mad: I am looking my revenge at the right time and I thing this is perfect time...lol . PS:Ma'awis= Wizar(in Arabic), I think original is Indian word. Salam

Bombing others is Haram, true Suiciding is Haram too, very true LOL@Clasique. The question was is "Suice Bambing Haram"? Together one word .....loooooooooool Salam

No, That is NOT an option. Any thing is better than our current situation. Even if Abdullah Yusuf become President I will support him . Bloodshed isn't the option.BUT don't put too much hope he will be better than "Afweyne" . I don't see point fight against him and all these loss then we come and support likes him or worse Salam

DA, you just want your kind of logic. does make perfect sense and logic to me. You can say is Haraam till end of the world BUT Will that stop them? yeah, will stop them if America and Israel leave midle-east. A lot to do with other dear. If you kill my parents I wont kill you only , I would revenge from your kids too .I will not wait and say " oooh let me think is halal or Haraam"!! By the way, I did not say is Islam...If you go google.com..you find ALL kind of fatwas, I don't like it cause is NOT my kind of logic I post here if you back to my first post in this topic that fatwa from Azhar leader. All other comments where "our" point of view which America failled to understand. you are free to disagree and I told you I understand you very well. That is why I was telling NOTHING to do with Islam. these people don't think about Islam when they do that is out of emoinal and anger cause of the unjustice. PS: We don't call them "suicide attacks or suide Bomb" we call them in our Media term " mytyr bombers" :cool: ...blame Aljazeera....loooooool Edit: I know you don't care if America is here or Israel took Palastian Land is beside the point for "you" . For me is the point and whole point , And important for you what "Allah's: says ..yeah I know :cool: Salam

If I can afford! otherwise my $8 pillow do the job :cool: :cool: Salam

Silent sister , I am not sure is exactly translation the word " bala'a" is suffer... but I think in Religion we use that term same meaning as "test from Allah" or emtehaan". Mutakalem , please help me before I put you into more troubles with my poor English Salam