[Whether Islam grows quicker than other religions is statistical observations,] same as Neil Armstrong heard some one reading quran when he landed on moon:D

I know it's faith that's why people follow blindly,we on same boat here, and believing the unseen need to be challenged . but isn't this contradictory. | | [ '''' Yes, you can't touch, see or smell most of these. Because it is FAITH, believing the unseen. The universe is full of signs and evidence.'''' ] you saying you can't touch,see,smell but on the otha hand universe is full of signs & evidence!!!

right ..whateva:D

and why I can't see anything tangible religion says,everything is "you get or see in after life" and no one comes back to tell us what's like there !why should I put all my eggs in unknown basket.There r so many mysterious things in this universe like milky way or black hole but I'm not sleepless about it,sure I like to read & learn but in the end it's upto me to make my own decisions. What's the most important thing religion tells,gives or how religious person differ an atheist besides the usual God said or you be promised a seat in heaven; next joe is no different than you or me.Religion is environmental just like language & color, if you were born in Europe 50yrs ago (before immigrants)you would be christian,in china buhdist or whateva they have there & so on and that disqualifies the notion that certain religion is the true one thus making all of them obsolete.

atheism is religion too.They believe in non- believing.

This thread shows how every region need to be its own; the fact that some glorifying Ali's illegal grab of power for clan or interest reasons.First Ali didn't fight for it & was left behind by Siyad Barre's cronies(manifesto).2nd he didn't even bother to call SNM which was the strongest movement controlling the whole north(know some have beef with this:D)when he was throning himself in jubouti ,they heard on BBC & in their nxt meeting in a few days declared secession.Now who is to blame for that?3rd, I wouldn't want Aideed to be president cos he was dictator,but why you think he shouldn't fight ALI who stole what was his glory and hence who then caused the war in Mogadishu & the mayhem beyond?OFC "ALI". It really shows why the whole somali jigsawpuzzle can't be solved when history rewritten while blood still warm! how you gona get somali unity by falsifying history??Do you think SNM or USC will let you get away with that.Just look back, that's what destroyed Mogadishu & somalia in general,someone in arm chair who don't know what's like to fight in the bush...like Ali Mahdi.

Xaaji Xunjuf;817330 wrote: Act of union may seexeedeen 52 years ago hadanay wada hadlin historical weyee allow sahal:D Meel wanaagsan bay maraysa 52 sanoh ka bacdi remember even the act of union was rejected by SL people in referendum in 1960 but nonetheless was hijacked by ignorant politicians.

nothing comes out of it.People neva have enough of entertainment! no need somaliland to compromise it's existance.Anyone who reads what the so called unionists write on the net will neva have anything to do with them.The door is completely shut after these nonesenical talks.

Xaaji Xunjuf;817232 wrote: Burahadeer the first talks will be in London its just gogol xaadh just to break the ice but after august the real talks will begin in a foreign country in Africa with the international community mediating. I was on the phone today Hargeysa people are not expecting that much from these talks they were like hadal badani haamo ma buuxsho. true xaaji nothing come out of this meaningless talks.They know that too, but waa nin aan quus aqoon naftiisaa qusa.

shut that door on their face(somalia).Nothing will come out.Status quo will remain and let somalia either be confident enough to be normal people who can run their affairs or go into oblivion.This whining about somali land make thm really look bad.

Peacedoon;816802 wrote: Take that back. Iam from Mogadishu. Besides wtf does this have to do with Somaliland? I ask that myself..why they inject somaliland everywhere.You wise enough to know it's not love for greater somalia:D

the ugly face of terrorism is synonymous with islamic fundamentalism.Cowards who flee from armies & more than callously massacre women & children.

Archdemos;816696 wrote: come on now burahdeer, they don't have any sewerage facilitates. all new villas have very big cemented underground sewage at the back(outside the gate like 10 meters etc..depending how big your land..it's completely covered with concrete).It will take atleast 20yrs to be filled and there are the trucks suck waste you can rent.That waste is taken to say 30 miles outside the city in excavations & burned with gasoline.You need to go..you love it ..... about flies, it depends on occupants..you can take care of it urslv.Neva had problem at home but yes some cafes in old town which you probably won't go,I never did...so many modern nice restaurants & hotels equiped with the latest & very clean.

everything you mentioned available(except pavements for pedestrians) in big cities hargeisa ,burao,berbera & neva used outside toilet(hole).They have toilets like here in most modern & renovated houses.Mogadishu ofc has too.Those who can't afford don't have.

Ali caused the whole disaster but aideed was brave indeed but could have been anotha merciless dictator.AUN

I don't know about others but sharif looks the most honest man in somali politics so far.He should be back or else.

*Blessed;816654 wrote: LOL. Terrible defaming things. I actually love it back home but Somaali way hawl badan yihiin. I can attest to that..

some hung up on somaliland no matter what you try discuss.Talk weather and somaliland in!!

No it's not ova.A lot whites, Berbers,Nazis are not comfortable with the"somalid" term that states they came from somalis.If you familiar with utube discussions they fighting so hard to disqualify that notion(they hate being told they came from blks).There r so many so called genetists involved in such scams...this is probably by the likes of samsamy & matilda.This is nonesense....don't buy it.Go along with Autosomal analysis. BTW who are this source. Somali DNA scientifically tested 100s of times & came almost 85 to 90% pure(Cushitic E1b1b1) every time.

hope they learn & not stand up to somaliland everytime they get few days peace:D

International engagement in Somalia: lessons from Somaliland? By Michael Walls, on 29 February 2012 Alex de Waal, writing in the NY Times on 21st February, argued that instead of focusing on the negative, international policy-makers should recognise the remarkable achievements of many in Somalia, and most particularly those of the self-declared Republic of Somaliland. [http://nyti.ms/zP0L4T] His comments were timed for two days before a major international conference on Somalia held in London and hosted by the UK government on 23rd February. But in the run-up to the conference, William Hague repeatedly used the phrase ‘Somalia is the world’s-worst failed state’, suggesting that the focus on the negative is here to stay. This is in spite of conference talk about ‘supporting local initiatives’ and the need for the process to be ‘Somali-led’. Taking a rather more cynical line, respected French academic Gerard Prunier described the conference as ‘Alice in Wonderland Goes Imperialist’, and ridiculed the organisers for calling for Somali-led initiatives while inviting few Somalis to the conference itself. [http://bit.ly/whCEH3] So how do we pick our way through the myriad of viewpoints? While I agree with many of Prunier’s points and even much of his argument, I have to say that I am not as cynical about the process as he is. And while I wholeheartedly support the tenor of much of de Waal’s article, we need to take considerable care if we are to chart a constructive engagement that recognises positive achievement. The conference was welcome in many ways in that it raised many important questions and suggested a new sophistication in some of the discourse amongst the international donor, diplomatic and civil society communities. However, there is no consensus yet on what that sophistication means in policy terms. And what of Somaliland? They have certainly achieved an immense amount. Meaningful elections, the transfer of power from a standing incumbent to his opposition challenger … these are remarkable advances, as is the durability of peace throughout most of the country. Indeed, Somaliland is seen by some as an object lesson in how Somalis will succeed if they are just left alone. But that fails to recognise the fact that Somali society has always been based on links, particularly through trade but also religion and politics, with the outside world and between different Somali clans. That model relies precisely on not being ‘left alone’. But Somaliland also clearly shows us that the nature of engagement is vitally important. Heeding that observation, many people are talking about the need to support locally-based initiatives. But there is great risk there too, because it means having to find a way of picking who to support. Somaliland has achieved a lot, and Puntland has also made some progress, but what about the burgeoning number of smaller entities who are claiming ‘local legitimacy’? Individuals were even handing out business cards at events in London during the week of the conference declaring them to be President of some hitherto unknown Somali state. Which ones are real and worth supporting? As complicated as the situation is, there are some lessons we can learn as outsiders. There seems little doubt that there is a need for local disputes to be resolved before there is a move to form a ‘national’ government, whatever that might look like. That is the process that occurred in Somaliland. It means that there needs to be a great deal of discussion amongst Somalis and led by Somalis about how they will settle the complex web of grievances and counter-grievances that have built up over the past two decades of conflict in the south. International actors can support the process by allowing it to take place, by insisting that resolutions are agreed before the process moves on, and by providing small amounts of material support where there is a demonstrable need. But those interventions need to be proportionate. They must not dominate the process, which needs to succeed or fail on its own terms. In other words, there has to be real reward for local groups who succeed in agreeing a peace deal with their neighbouring antagonists, but they must also bear most of the cost of achieving that deal, and also the cost of failing to do so. That also means that an early focus on elections would be counter productive. For many Somalis, representative democracy in which individuals are elected to make decisions on behalf of a populace is less democratic than the patriarchal but otherwise egalitarian (for men) system of discussion and debate that is employed under Somali custom. So elections are not a process of ‘democratisation’ but rather the opposite: a retreat from the slow and unpredictable process of consensus-building to a less egalitarian but more efficient form of decision-making. Now let’s not get this wrong: it is very likely that representative democracy will eventually be needed in some form in the Somali territories in order to facilitate the establishment of a reasonably legitimate state. That is, after all, the transition that Somaliland has gone so far towards achieving. But in the southern areas of the erstwhile Republic of Somalia, the time is not yet right for that transition. And in the meantime, external actors need to be prepared to go along with an unpredictable and probably fairly slow process of consensus-building. The most remarkable thing about Somaliland is that, whatever the claims to the contrary, it was founded as a genuinely multi-clan polity, and no other multi-clan Somali political entity has been so successful and with such genuinely local involvement. The simmering tensions between the different clans represented within Somaliland’s colonial borders represent a significant challenge, but it is important to remember that those who are currently most dissatisfied with the Somaliland administration were intimately involved in the formation of the state between 1991 and 1997. The fact that Somaliland was founded as a multi-clan political union with broad local support should not be forgotten by anyone. Part of the lesson is that political nationalism is not the same as cultural, linguistic or religious unity. The political nation-state is a construct that requires a great deal of compromise. Somali society is remarkably vibrant and, in many ways, successful. The measure of economic performance that would pass for GDP per capita if reliable data were available almost certainly surpasses that of neighbouring countries. The telecoms, finance and trade sectors thrive. Just about everywhere, not just in Hargeisa or Bosaso. But business unity and cultural, linguistic and religious commonalities have not formed a good base for nationhood elsewhere, so why should they here? The dream of a unitary state based on either one or other sub-clan grouping or, at the other extreme, a Greater Somalia, just don’t make sense. As the various actors who met in London on 23rd February move to develop a new approach to supporting stability in the Somali Horn of Africa, they would do well to build on local initiatives, and to support the successes that are already evident. But that needs to be done with caution and patience. Hurrying the process is likely to worsen security for the UK, US and Somalia’s neighbours and prolong the crisis for locals. But facilitating a process which is Somali-led requires a willingness by international actors to step back and let Somalis agree for themselves: first of all, the terms under which they’ll coexist with other clans and sub-clans; and, secondly, what their state will look like. That will test the patience and commitment of international actors, regardless of how sophisticated their dialogue. But it’s a test that they need to pass just as Somalis themselves must negotiate difficult compromises. Filed under Economy, International, Somaliland Tags: london conference somalia 2012, michael walls, somalia, somaliland

and what was that earlier group headed by Riyaale?

Mario B;816122 wrote: Could it be that you have been misreading history, so tell me who has been telling you sweet lil lies? I alson think living in a disney world is much better than a mafrish purple hill. :cool: I'm not gona waste time on chicken in my farm.

QUOTE....."safkii qaraxu ka dhacay ma fadhin qof is qarxiyey, qaraxuna wuxuu ahaa mid meesha lagu diyaariyey, su’aasha kale ee isweydiinta mudani waxey tahay maxaa sababay in ay hal mar wada kacaan dhammaan madaxdii fadhisay safka hore, markii uu khudbeynayey C/weli kuraastii hore oo dhan waa la baneeyey taasina waxey keeni kartaa in la is weydiiyo maxaa sababay in ay mar qura wada kacaan.? ayuu yir Xildhibaan Cabdirisaaq Ashkir." News to me!!