no guns and no constitution people go back as it was 100yrs ago..under tree.

http://www.somaliareport.com/index.php/post/3302

[One has only to look at the disheartening leading figures of the TFG to see what is going right for Somaliland that make one lose all hope: in terms of treason to the union comes the current minister of the interior, Mr. Abdisamad Maalin Mohamoud, a self-declared supporter of Somaliland's recognition and who, to add insult to injury, is included in the TFG team participating in the talks; then there is the Prime Minister whose preoccupations are confined to serving the interests of Faroole's Puntland within the TFG, keeping his post and endearing himself to his foreign mentors as the only pair of safe hands who can safeguard their interests. And then there is Sheikh Shariif, the President, whose concern is keeping his office and making the most of it while the going is good. His vision otherwise does not go beyond the walls of Villa Somalia as far as the country is concerned. Maintaining the unity of the country does count little with him. One day he endorses the Khaatumo State of Somalia, only to get cold feet the next day in deference to the secessionist lobby. His secret talks with their emissary in Abu Dubai, purportedly about a possible quid pro quo deal in which he will help with their secession in exchange for support for his presidential candidacy tells it all. These cases and others going back to the time he was head of the Union of Islamic Courts epitomise how the Sheikh changes his colours like a chameleon in response to his impulses or inclinations of the moment. We have every reason to worry that he might do a lasting damage before he leaves office and all the more to be on the guard.] That what happens when you set fire on where you not seen different ,looking greener pasture in distant horizon unaware beyond! in the middle of earthquake... meel lagugu jeclyay hadaad ka carartid meel lagugu necebyay baad hesha...will see if that prophecy on the money.?

nothing new,there were big shots before him like jama yare who came back after 20yrs.Isagaa soo daali....

Warya no problem,my lady went to calowla to buy couple acres just incase.I be puntlander when that thing pops up:D

anotha way of selling hahaaa:D

Raamsade;825540 wrote: One of the great appeals of organized religions is that they simplify otherwise complex world into pre-packaged set of binary choices. Good and Evil. Xalaal and Xaraam. Heaven and Hell. Dos and Donts. Why bother with the tough task of thinking for yourself when you can relegate that to others. That is why we have Churches, Mosques, Synagogs, Temples and by extension self-help gurus because no one wants to take respensibility for themselves... people are enticed by the idea that everything will be hunky-dory if you pray this way and read these verses. But the surrender of independent thought means you're prone to being misled as we often see with religious people. Muslims all over the world are blowing themselves and others up on the believe that they're going to go to heaven. None of them have paused for a second and asked: wait a minute, is this even true? superb:cool:

XX....silanyo habeen madowbuu kaso baxay,soo lugeeyay,baalcad duleedkeedaa laga qaaday wado qardajeexa ilaa iyo howdka.Naaa ain't visiting,he don't wana relive that memory

waa wareey another of our satellites like rest of puntland:D

wasn't it part of puntland:confused:

Thanks:(

Mario B;825919 wrote: ^^ Ignore Burahadeer, he is a toxic waste who can tell the difference between his elbow and his @rse. Most of the times he doen't even know if he is coming all going. as usual hurl insults when run out of reality.

hahahahaaaaaaaaaa one somalia!......I'm sure you defend all my shortcomings If call myself unionist:rolleyes:

nomadic instinct,somalis move around maybe in turkey now:D

Yunis;825876 wrote: I seriously doubt the real quarrel that sparked the fire, was ever about specifics as some pretend. think so,like your analysis unlike cyber warriors.

Yes he did support when the bombardment was under way..you can call whatva you like.I read it & be happy till I get the link. the politicians were not in bed with the devil! they were there in their own right,they were part of a somali gov't that suppose to be fair and when they objected Barre's policies were taken to jail(ismail ali abokor,omar arteh etc),others fled like silanyo,suleiman gaal,abdirahman tuur etc. Are you being fair????

Mukulaalow;825867 wrote: indha adeyg. you still insist. I simply asked a poof where he said he supports the 1988 massacre? is that too much to ask sxb?. first I neva used word massacre..I said he supported S.Barre those days & stand by my word.Told you try to find,it's been long time. 2nd, in his above article why he mention that northerners were part of siyad's gov't in any a way to legitimise the military actions againest thm..wasn't it suppose to be a national somali gov't to begin with and where did the likes of Ismail ali abokor (first vice president) end up! in jail!Others fled like silanyo..think you can see gist from only that one article,I'm sure many more self damaging articles out there and frankly speaking I care less of his past ,was only to rebut your earlier "his somalinimo".If you give that title , fine with me.

wait I'm coming but that was only to show his stand. I have nothing againest him just let you know isn't all rosy.

@Mukulaalow.. this is an appetizer,not really much compare to others I post later as I get chance. Abdi Ismail Samatar and Ahmed I. Samatar 119 VI. On Collaboration with Military Dictatorship and Clanist Sentiments A. A discernment of who collaborated with the military dictatorship and to what degree will be an important point of historical research and reflective conversation among Somalis for some time to come. The ICG document enters that fray by identifying two Northern communities as willing allies of the regime: the *** (******** and Isse) and the ***** (pp. 11, 28). Simultaneously, the ***** kin-group is presented as innocent sufferers. This is problematic. To begin with, all Northern communities had representatives in the Supreme Revolutionary Council (SRC) and the Council of Secretaries. Consequently, the ***** had their share and maybe more, as the following, nonexhaustive list of examples confirms: Vice President Colonel Ismail Ali Aboker, Colonel Ahmed Hassan, Foreign Minister Omer Arteh Qalib, and Planning Minister Ahmed Mohamed Silanyo. Moreover, Egal himself, after finishing his internment, accepted an ambassadorial appointment to India and later became head of the Chamber of Commerce in Mogadishu. Most instructively, individuals of the ***** kin-group remained loyal to the Barre regime to its dying days. Here, it is well to remember that Mohamed Hawadleh Madar, the last Prime Minister in 1990, threatened the denizens of Mogadishu with a ruin similar to the one meted out to Burao and Hargeisa if they did not capitulate. Moreover, Omer Arteh became premier of Ali Mahadi’s short-lived pretension. On the other hand, the windfall for the ******** and Isse and significant elements of the northern ***** was comparatively miniscule. B. The Report fails to offer concrete evidence for selectively maligning some communities while exalting others. We argue that this history could be told differently. Our thinking, distilled from our extensive scholarly research and reading of Somali social history and political economy, is that the military dictatorship of 1969–91 was ruinous in the last fifteen years of its tenure and insensately destroyed individuals and communities across the country. The Northeast region (Puntland) was the first to bear the brunt of the regime’s cruelty. However, the Northwest region (Somaliland), particularly the cities of Hargeisa and Burao, witnessed the greatest horror. In addition, during the entire Note "the is**k group was presented as innocent sufferers"

@Mukulalow....It's not slander my friend, I try find out and in meantime ask XX to dig his archives.

Mukulaalow;825820 wrote: correction. he considers himself a Somali. not Qol iyo barsad Somalilander. and that's why he is hated in SL. he supported siyad barre when bombardment was on in northern cities...guess that makes him somali!! for your information he is awdal nationalist same as Ali khalif,they both know their regions can't stand alone & that's why supporting tfg. Self interest like everyone else of us which make all of us non somali:D

good for any somali to visit but yes he eying the bigger picture come november .

;=Goldcoast [This is an embarrassing document that underscores what an entire charade this move towards supposed legitimate administration is. If this is the model federal state and the template through which the system that Somalia should be rebuilt is predicated on, the future is undoubtedly bleak. This underscores how obviously clear it is that Somali politicians have no idea what federalism means or what it entails. For all the constant posts about how Puntland is fully behind the quest for Somali unity, its frankly laughable that some in this forum are attempting to defend this. Creating a separate passport? Claiming its resources belong solely to the region? Commanding its owned armed forces indefinitely? Separate foreign policy and international relations? Separate central bank? Issuing its own currency? So what exactly makes Puntland a state of a federal Somalia? Is there a single area left? What exactly separates Puntland from Somaliland as far as these documents are concerned. This all but a declaration of secession, without the temerity to pledge for it. The President and politicians who endorsed this joke of a constitution should be ashamed. An affront indeed.] Nationalists my **s ............. why worry about somaliland recognition when they saying same thing.Hypocrisy much...dadkan afkooda iyo dhegohoodu isma maqlaan.

yunis since you read can you please clarify why majority object & minority accept.You have such unlikely alliances againest,like: TFG Ali khalif samater etc.