I know he's only saying cos of their clout but thinking about the after effects for somali youth...I mean when their own in the highest office takes that stand! "waan baahanay bakhtiga looma cuno." what u think?

He should run as republican to avoid the embarrassment,cos he surely fail as a democrat & not embrace the gays.

Very true.

omar12;762189 wrote: Here is another angle to look at it from, the Swiss used to have a violent history. They have an Italian, German, and French population who used to war for many years. Similar to the 3-4 major tribes in Somalia. However through political maneuvering, they each got territories in which they remain now at peace. Yea man, definitely military confrontation would be horrible, I pray to Allah people just drop their weapons and use either Fotbal or politics to solve their problems. That only happens when sound heads r at work,but sadly what we see nowadays is "ku qadi maysid ee ku qabso",people who in robbing spree trying to grab land, especially those regions been under hell last 20yrs.Sometimes you wonder if there is anyone to deal with in certain areas. One thing that amazes me is the wrong forces have always been the most active & the loudest;virtuous others have been marginalized.Only time will solve,kind see & wait attitude.

I haven't watched But What I read is enough.They should neva come to power or accomodated.More foreign troops even the JIN.

to be very fair I think military solution is out of the question,think we both agreed on that.In that case,logically the card is with SL in which eva way they decide to go.But for some reason if they want to rethink which is very unlikely & remote then the Swiss is the best solution.

"Peace in the south mean war in the north" ? and total devastation for the south that they will have no hope of eva rising again.

Mintid. ''There is a natural bond between Somalis all over the globe. I've already agreed with that statement in previous postings. No Somali sees another Somali as a foreigner. But if the history of the Somali state for the last 50 years is anything to go by, that bond is definitely not a political bond. Why expend so many lives and resources on something that's obviously not working?'' THUMPS UP

wishful thinking or may I say emotional rescue.

wishful thinking

He look honest to me.

anyone in Nairobi?

'Liibaan';761684 wrote: MMA was talking about extremist clan-secessionists, and burahadeer is perfect example. Here he is claiming that his snm clan-secessnists own the land of Sool, Sanaag, and Awdal, meaning that people of Sool, Sanaag and Awdal don't own their land. When did snm clan-secessionists became the owners of Zeylac, Borame, Lughaye, Dila, Baki, Las Qorey, Badhan, Hadaaftimo, Dhahar, Laas Caanood, Buhoodle, Taleex, Yaqoori, Adhicadeeye, Tukaraq, Widhwidh, Boocame, etc??? that's the problem with you guys twisting words...I said the majority of sanag ,Awdal& correction at least 1/2 sool belong to the majority & I stand by my words.

@Som@li then go fight for it.Why crying for 20yrs!!!

Sool, sanag & awdal.....the great majority of land belong to the majority FYI.Reality stands & talk is just Talk.This line below by Mintid Farayare is the truth. "".Nevertheless, experience has thought Somaliland to be wary of recent political standard bearers(of Somali nationalism) given the anti-Somaliland baggage they often carry".

Abu-Salman;761589 wrote: Quite reasonable points for once in this emotions charged debate, the paranoid singling out of a whole portion of Somalis is not a hallmark of intellectual discourse though. Indeed, nobody can't deny the obstacles against Somali irredentism both within and without. Still, all that is besides the point and do little to adress the two main counter-arguments: 1- How is it morally possible to advocate for secession or a return to colonial borders on the basis of "self-determination" while ignoring the reluctance, if not strong opposition, of major local segments (including disaffected minorities in Hargeysa itself, ie Somalis outside clans)? 2-Why a federal, confederate or strongly devoluted system can not adress nepotism, strong state or tyranny concerns in the world of today (particularly when the vast "Southern" majority is considered as "benign")? Would advocates for total secession finally focus on adressing dispassionately, on both purely ethical and intellectual grounds, these two compelling realities? PM: Please note I'm neither "Southerner" nor "Siyadist", whatever that may mean, and that close relatives suffered in the war, took risks and supported the SNM. Likewise, please no half-baked "97% pro secession referendum" or insinuations that there is even a remote possiblity in the current conditions of "neutral" atmosphere and state institutions or prerequisites, not to mention the most crucial issue of which kind of referendum makes sense should that matters (each region or community, "Somaliland"-wide or countrywide?). If you wana discuss on intellectual grounds as you mentioned,then you have to not use the,"1/2 baked other major clans,".I know some will object as usual but the reality is the majority in SL is a very big majority.Secondly,referendum works all over the world,how else can you determine the will of people.You can be president of the U.S with one vote.3rdly,SSC is seen by many as a force dedicated to stop SL from becoming a state on purely tribal grounds otherwise they wouldn't claim all that land which is not theirs.People will tell you,"if they were serious they would stick to what's theirs which they afraid might be given to them and thus throw their whole agenda into the air...which is destabilise." Assume I'm impartial On the question of one somalia... I wish but I just don't see right now.I'm coming to believe each to his own including SSC.That won't stop people from keeping contact,intermarrying,crossing to each otha etc. The after shocks of 1960 are still with us, you see the jigsawpuzzle ,the myhem......may be better this way till when or neva.Peace & bread is paramount & all these pseudo nationalists need to focus on the real quackmire....the stability of those regions bestowed on the curse of shabab & the likes.Why only a small section of the population are holding tight to the notion of one somalia as dear life.Ask yourself that question?

SomaliNFD;761553 wrote: I agree! i say let them move to NFD and help build the economy there and help prepare the region secede from its aliens, because this alien kenya has failed the NFD people for more than a half century. I'm not sure with secession part,somalis proved they can't live together & can't live without each otha.Maybe we need a 3rd party to glue us together,prefer those in ethiopia & kenya stay where they r & melt into the system.There is no possibility that secession succeed...if there was greater somali would've been different.

somalis will always inter-act,inter-marry & cross to each otha.somalism is been thrown into the frying pan,now what's important is peace & bread.If it's 10 different states or one don't matter.I'm skeptical of those insist on one somalia at every corner.Trust me is not the game in town nowadays.Fine eithe way If at a later date they come together or go their separate ways .

Shabab is curse...

how about if they come to NFD towns,I mean all somalis in Nairobi & beyond.Bring their business here & build their side of kenya.Kenyans won't dare to antagonize somalis in their territory.Come on guys,tough times need tough alternatives,let's have some talk here.

Washington post..saturday,November 26,2011. Thnx Gvera.

Somali community leaders acknowledge that ther are al-shabab loyalists in Eastleigh & other somali enclaves.They quickly added,however,that most somalis detest them but nevertheless face discrimination because of their ethnicity."The xenophobia is dividing two populations who have lived togrther peacefully for a long time,"said Ali Isak,28,a leader for somali youth for peace & change,an activist group in Eastleigh.Rashid Abdi,a somali expert with the int'l crisis group,said that while some somalis have been mistreated & targeted by security forces,the kenyans have mostly restrained themselves.Still suspicions of somalis have deepened,and a harsher crackdown could come in the weeks & months ahead,he said."The somali community fears al-shabab retaliatory strike more than kenya's military operation,"Abdi said."They fear that could provoke similar sort of attacks on their community by the kenyan gov't. Most somalis expect the crackdowns to intensify the longer kenya wages war inside somalia,and especially if many kenyan soldiers die.That could drive angry and disaffected somalis to support the militia,some say.Noor,the journalist,said that while he was in custody he overheard some young somalis who had been caught along with him in the sweep."They said,"We are civilians,we are innocent.If we are prosecuted in an illegal way,the only way we can get revenge is to join al-shabab,"Noor recalled.

By SUDARSAN RAGHAVAN On a recent night kenyan forces rounded up 43 people,including women & children,in the somali enclave of Nairobi,known as Eastleigh.They spent 5 days in overcrowded cell without access to lawyer or formally being charged."they accused us of Shabab sympathizers,"recalled M.Noor,a somali journalist."they said they would chase us out of the country." Since entering Somalia last month,Kenyan forces have launched a parallel campaign to diffuse the militia's networks here.As a result ethnic somalis have been mistreated,beaten ,arbitrarily arrested & deported,according to human rights groups & community leaders.Somalis live in apprehension,hate speech & xenophobia are on the rise & many have sent their children back to somalia.The concerns come as anti somali feelings have been growing over the last year.Many Kenyans say somalis,who make up 8% of the 40 million people,have taken over the economy,driven up real estate prices & made kenya less safe. Last month,Kenya's assistant internal security minister,Orwa Ojode,informed the parliament that the offensive would be coupled with the"mother of all operations" in Nairobi to flush out al-shabab members."This is like a big animal with the tail in somalia,and the head of the animal is here in Eastleigh,"he told lawmakers. Security now is tight around the capital,plainclothes intelligence agents patrol down-town,seeking out anyone who looks suspicious.That often means anyone who appears to be ethnic somali,somalis said in interview.Harassment is increasing all over the country.A witness said"soldiers picked up people who looked somali,beat them and forced them to sit in dirty water while interrogating.

damn right..