Former editor of the now defunct Gay and Lesbian Humanist magazine Andy Armitage replies to the Guardian piece on the split in GALHA. He continues to defend his decision to publish the notorious article by Diesel Balaam. "Neither the writer of that article nor we as editors are racist. We criticise religions and do not care about the racial origin of people who practice them." From the Islamphobia site Ahura, I’m either super paranoid, or I have a finely tuned internal danger-sensing system in place. WHAT TIME IS ITTTTTTTTTT? Dhacyada dadka kaa daaf or else u'll might need to read up on KARMA! In anycase, Kashfa, the story had me laughing.

Salams, Rather, bullshitters seek to convey a certain impression of themselves without being concerned about whether anything at all is true. They quietly change the rules governing their end of the conversation so that claims about truth and falsity are irrelevant. Frankfurt concludes that although bullshit can take many innocent forms, excessive indulgence in it can eventually undermine the practitioner's capacity to tell the truth in a way that lying does not. Liars at least acknowledge that it matters what is true. By virtue of this, Frankfurt writes, bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are. They quietly change the rules governing their end of the conversation so that claims about truth and falsity are irrelevant. This is very much so the case on the net where it encourages self-propagation and the relativising of Truth and everything else to OPINIONATION i.e. I THINK IT is this way, therefore it MUST be de facto be right. bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are. I agree because in the case of BS, its role is to MOCK and put things in disorder, wherein BS comes on top because it reveals one little truth, in a web of 100 lies as the hadith goes.

Salamz, I never knew about the author you mentioned neither of their work so I did some googling and got some information. So alhamdulillah, I have some knowledge about ATLAS and where you are coming from, saxib.

Originally posted by Admin: Nomads, please be civil to one another. Avoid the insults and the blantant or insuniating attacks against one antther. You can debate and discuss issues without loosing your cool. What I have seen on this thread is a clear violation of the forum civility rules and we will not tolerate senior nomads exchanging insults on this forum. All posts in violation of the forum rules will be deleted without a question. This is an important topic and it should be discussed without all the garbage I have seen. Why is their a DOUBLE STANDARD being deployed here? I understand that this is your site, laakin its got to be pointed out that CASTRO'S COMMENTS ABOUT THE 'TENT' NEED TO BE DELETED. And the Village Members who are on SOL bashing ISLAM day after day, need to be WARNED and suspended for a while. Socadne said: I'm closer to Allah then you, cosmic debris spitting hucksters. This comment is an insult to all the muslims on this site and should be deleted. Waa caay iyo afxumo!

Originally posted by Rahima: [QB] They don’t need your taunts of ‘tent’ adeer, they get enough of that from the kufaar. Like it has been said, it is here to stay adeer. Don’t become like the kufaar who menace us hijabes everyday with taunts of napkin put-downs. It is very disheartening to see your fellow Muslims mimicking such vulgar taunts. What we need is for our fellow Muslim brothers to support our choices in worshipping Allah, not turning on us- like I said we have enough of that already. HENCE THE POINT THAT RAHIMA AND OTHER MUSLIMS ARE TRYING TO MAKE. Laakin, others can't see that and continue to mock and defend their mockery of their own history, thier own islamic lineage. Finally so much of our culture is stolen anyway. The trousers that you’re probably wearing now, was that not originally foreign? Similarly, that shirt, and heck those shoes too . Let’s not forget our foods, spaghetti is thanks to our previous occupiers; likewise we chose to steal the sambuus from across the ocean. It is in the Symbolism behind it walaal, it is very very fashionable to bash RELIGION and any and all things that might have a symbolance of a non-modern ethos like ISLAM. This explains why somalis want to bash the arabic culture and becoming 'arabized' laakin when its time to mimicking the Italians (spaghetti is thanks to our previous occupiers) and the British (The trousers that you’re probably wearing now), somalis don't see a problem. Infact, they see it as a sign of 'PROGRESSION' , where as mimicking anything from the Islamic World, is seen by some as 'REGRESSION' Ahura, Tent as a description is not hurtful or sacrilegious. Like I said the square hijab does look like a napkin, laakiin it is the form and tone in which it is said which makes it sacrilegious. To say such taunts, be it ‘tent’ or ‘napkin’ in a tone of yasid (which Castro seemingly did- I still have not been corrected in case I am wrong) is sacrilegious. You are a hijabi Ahura, and you know how degrading and hurtful taunts such as ‘napkin’ and ‘tent’ in a tone of yasid can be. That is the point of contention here, at least as far as I’m concerned anyway. Ahura, Inshallah, you will take what Rahima is saying with some reflection and not take this advice as an insult or a personal attack on you. 'The Believers are a Mirror unto each other' Alhamdulillah caala kuuli xaal waacudha bilaah miin xaal axil al-nar!

Originally posted by Xalimopatra: Khayr Walaal if your post was a relevant argument in regards to the passage you quoted from me then I could actually reply back some form of an argument to your piece.Lakiin I cant because there is nowhere to hold,grasp or chew.I mean what you're CLEARLY doing is you're voicing your frustrated opinion on something that has absolutely NOTHING to do with the passage you quoted me from or the sentiment I expressed throughout my post. I mean which is better a pious girl who wears a hijab and is modest in front of her parents and behind or a girl who only wears the hijab because she was forced and is out asking her friends for different clothes when her mother's back is turned?Indhaheyga baan ku arkey walaal so dont even try and tell me I'm wrong....Modesty comes from within too and it's up a woman to protect herself.Wearing a jilbab doesnt account to squat when your intentions are bad and your heart is in the wrong place. Hell,western morals and shamelessness all in one post and all you could quote from me was that irrelevant passage? ....I'm so lucky(!) Next time just think about where my sentiments' lie instead of charging at me all horns blazing....Haye dhe? :rolleyes: Xalimo, Let me get this right, so you are admitting that your diatrabe has 'irrelvant passages'. So if the part that I quoted is an 'irrelvant passage', then please do forgive me for taking you seriously. I mean which is better a pious girl who wears a hijab and is modest in front of her parents and behind or a girl who only wears the hijab because she was forced and is out asking her friends for different clothes when her mother's back is turned?Indhaheyga baan ku arkey walaal so dont even try and tell me I'm wrong Just because you made an 'Observation' here and there and came to your 'own conclusions', does not necessarily make your 'Observation (s)' ABSOLUTE. Rather, they are subjective, relative and feed the mundane modern day biases i.e. Religion is Totalitarian therefor, it is bad for all people of Intelligent mind . The Criteria for following the Shariah is not 'Understanding' or 'Desire', but rather 'Adherence to Islamic Parameteres i.e. Shariah' If you want salvation, Adherence to the Shariah i.e. doing the halal and staying away from the haram, is sufficient. If you Desire to be of the Muhsineen , those that have Understanding and Desire for Allah and as the hadith suggests, those that worship Allah as though they see him, then inshallah that is good but those are the exceptional Believers. The Shariah is for the mass, it is for the Ummah, the majority of muslims, so they are not required to Understand every command or Desire every good thing, inorder to gain heaven. Adherence to the Islamic Parameters is sufficient to get to heaven i.e. salat, zakat, staying away from haram and etc.... So Xalimo, Even if the pious girl that wears the hijab infront and behind her parents might be better then the girl who is forced to wear the hijab, the later girl still has a chance for salvation because she has some semblance of Adab for her Deen Parents and has a sense of Shame in her.

Originally posted by Xalimopatra: I respect the jilbab when a proud women is wearing it and is comfortable and it is her choice.Lakiin when women only wear it not because she feels obliged to because of Allah(swt) but because 'heblayo is and imagine if heblayo's mum saw me' then that my dears, is LAME...LAME,LAME.LAME! We are all shaped by societal values and taboos, so why the double standard when societal values shift towards Islam and give a person a sense of SHAME. In current western societal values, SHAMELESSNESS is valued and Modesty is a Taboo and seen as being Simple Minded and 'Third World' in thinking. Which would you rather endure and face: Summer heat or the scorching, unendless and constant renewal of the Infinite Torture of Hell. :confused:

Originally posted by Castro: Nice. Compare this to today where tents are the fashion du jour and schools, well that is too much of a luxury. We're well on our way to becoming Neanderthals. ^^^ Village People, A tent is more durable then the shoe strings and grocery bags that people of your ilk call 'Fashionable Clothing' The pyramid shaped Islamic apparel that is neither Islamic nor Somali. And if its proponents get their way, they'll literally whip every women to wearing it. A whole nation of Hijabed muslimahs; they'll give a whole new meaning to the saying shifting sands of arabia. Village Member, Stick your two-dimensional incohorent scientific theorems that you swallow ever so willingly. When you get your own family and have daugthers talk, for now, socad kaa badne joochi :cool: Ahura, you're very foolish to give one of the Village People aka Castro, weight to his comment. Incase you forgot, when you get taunted at the tube or get passed over for a job, remember this -YOU ARE LOOKED AT AS A MUSLIMAAAAAAAAH The same group of people that Village Member was INSULTING. I suggest that the Village People's Comment aka Castro be DELETED.

Originally posted by Callypso: Khayr, A person could be an agnostic atheist at the same time: I don't know whether a god exists or not, but I believe that he/she/it does not exist. As for which is worse, atheism or agnosticism, I would have to say atheism. Such flagrant denial of god At least the agnostic is hedging his/her bets! Village Member, Is this a 'submission' of confusion because you claim in previous writings that you are an 'Atheist' such a statement like this atheism. Such flagrant denial of god sounds like a contradiction in your 'disbeliefs'

Originally posted by ATLAS: For me the book [suprise, suprise] was the fountain head by Ayn rand, at the age of 16 my life was set before me and I turned to my own destiny, through my own reasoning I understood that my purpose, was my existence, I had not been wrong my ego was not my enemy, i did not need to bury it, under neurosis or faith, but allowed my reason to guide me, it has never failed me and at my age I feel content...... And you? A comment about 'Fountainhead' First published in 1943, this best-selling novel is a passionate defense of individualism and presents an exalted view of man's creative potential. Source Ayn Rand's Philosphy Rand's magnum opus, Atlas Shrugged, was published in 1957, becoming an international bestseller. Atlas Shrugged is often seen as Rand's most complete statement of the Objectivist philosophy in any of her works of fiction. In its appendix, she offered this summary: "My philosophy, in essence, is the concept of man as a heroic being, with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with productive achievement as his noblest activity, and reason as his only absolute." Xaadha nafsaani kalam :rolleyes: Source Atlas, Are you serious about admiring this author-Ayn Rand and his book 'Fountainhead'? or are you just pulling our 'leg'? :confused:

Salamz, Originally posted by Castro: quote:Originally posted by ATLAS: The long and short of it economically deprived people having abortion guaranteed less ill provided for young offenders. I don't like the tone or message in your statement. I'll tell you this, however, abortion is a failure on many levels none of which are economic in nature. Village Member, What about Population Control and its relation to abortion and economics? Population control, however, involves a public or private program to reduce births within a specific area or group (for example, within China or among African Americans) and/or to increase births elsewhere (for example, within France or among the highly-educated). Source Here are some Pro-Abortion Economic Arguments Abortion is necessary to check population growth and costs associated with this growth. More people, means less resources to share and more shortages in wealth and resources such as food and water. Abortion helps to check demographics and population balances. e.g. poor single afro-american mothers v. middle class afluent citizens Abortion helps to eleviate strains on medicare and reduces the chances of defective and disabled children. Source Village Member, Abortion is preventable and cannot be unavoidable. :confused: Can I ask a question to the nomads, If you saw someone who wanted 10kids or who wanted 10kids, would you raise the issue of economics with them i.e. How can you AFFORD to maintain such a large family? Fi Amanillah

Salamz, But limbo, that netherworld of unbaptized babies and worthy pagans, is on the way out — another lesson that while belief in God may not change, the things people believe about him do. This is what caught my attention inshallah and it says alot of the kali yoga (ayam al zaman). The religious traditions are being truncated, corner by corner, a square mile here and there until you can't distinguis between what is RELIGION be it Christanity, Islam etc. or what is ANTI-RELIGION. I can see parallel's in Islam in such Islamic Traditions such as the Mawlid of the Rasul (salallahu caliyhe wasilm) being truncated and driven out or polygamous marriages being frowned up even not outlawed by the Muslim Ummah. As soon as these "rich places" gained power and wealth on a global scale, things such as faith in the Church (and in God) and morality took backseat prominence, and were overpowered by the newest religion, Capitalism. The concept of limbo should be the least of the Church's concerns because there's a larger debate over homosexuality in the priesthood, as alludd to in the article, which will eventually lead to a fundamental split within Christendom. I agree saxib and la qadra Allah that we live to see the Ummah divided on such issues. Fi Amanillah

Top theologianss at Vatican dispose of archaic tradiition Dec. 29, 2005. 05:02 AM IAN FISSHER NEW YYORKK TIIMES ROME—It may seem half a shame to get rid of a church tradition, however cruel and antiquated, if it can inspire poetry like "The Inferno." But limbo, that netherworld of unbaptized babies and worthy pagans, is on the way out — another lesson that while belief in God may not change, the things people believe about him do. This month, 30 top theologians from around the world met at the Vatican to discuss, among other quandaries, the problem of what happens to babies who die without baptism. What they were really doing, as theological advisers to Pope Benedict XVI, was finally disposing of limbo — a concept that was never official church doctrine but has been an enduring medieval theory of a blissful state among the departed, somehow different from both heaven and hell. Unlike purgatory, a sort of waiting room to heaven for those with some venial faults, the theory of limbo consigned children outside of heaven on account of original sin alone. As a concept, limbo has long been out of favour, as theologically questionable and unnecessarily harsh. It is hard to imagine depriving innocents of heaven. These days it prompts more snickers than anything. But it remains an interesting relic, strangely relevant to what the Roman Catholic Church has been and what it wants to be. The theory of limbo bumps up against one of the most contentious issues for the church: abortion. If fetuses are human beings, what happens to their souls if they are aborted? It raises questions of how broadly the church — and its new leader — view the idea of salvation. And it has some real-life consequences. The church is growing most in poor places like Africa and Asia where infant mortality remains high. While the concerns of the experts reconsidering limbo are more theological, it doesn't hurt the church's future if an African mother who's lost a baby can receive more hopeful news from her priest in 2005 than, say, an Italian mother did in 1905. "You look at the proper theology, but if there is more consolation, all the better," said the Rev. Luis Ladaria, secretary-general of the International Theological Commission, the official body working on limbo. Unlike many issues — the recent emotional debate over homosexuality in the priesthood, for example — limbo seems to garner unanimity that it should exit the church's stage, even if, at the moment, the exact doctrine that will replace it is unclear. "Limbo has never been a definitive truth of the faith," Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, who became Benedict XVI earlier this year, said in 1984, during his long term as Pope John Paul II's doctrinal watchdog. "Personally, I would let it drop, since it has always been only a theological hypothesis." Over the years before he became pope, Ratzinger propounded several doctrines that had the "appearance, and sometimes more than the appearance, of exclusivity and separatism" of Catholics over other faiths, said James O'Donnell, provost of Georgetown University and a professor of classics. Getting rid of limbo, he said, could be read as a sign of Benedict's endorsing a greater inclusivity into God's plan.

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Originally posted by underdog: Now here's the next installment Come on now...let try and get a little more creative. quote: [/QB]1st Caption-Colgate, no teeth is too big or dirty for us. 2nd Caption-we got a Grill for EVERYONE. KING OF BLING

Originally posted by J B: On the contrary , SOL is full of people who are defending positions that they themselves really don´t beleive in anymore, but since they´ve taken those positions earlier,they wish to have been right, so they keep creating new reasons for the old position. worst is when the position is a religious position. The Village People's Rainbow Man aka JB has spoken. Jb aka Rainbow Man's Formula Anything (nouns,verbs,adjectives and proverbs included) with RELIGION undeniably must be WRONG. People who defend a Religious view, don't believe in it, but chose to defend it anyways. I recall not so long ago, another nomad who was going through 'MIDLIFE IDENTITY CRISIS', made similiar allegations but I guess he got over it and now your struggling with it.

Salams, It is Hajjj season and btwn 1mil-2mil approx. muslims are going to hajjj this year, inshallah. Do we have any SOL nomads, their families or friends that are going to Hajjj this year? Are there any nomads that have been to Hajj?How was the experience? Anyone 'actively' planning to go to Hajj in the near future? Fi Amanillah

Originally posted by Caamir: A friend of mine told me about a wedding he was invited to in Virginia. Most of the invitees were close camaraderie to the bride and groom. What surprised him wasn't the number of educated men and women who abounded the wedding but a large number of them were married to White women and vice versa. There were even some Somali girls with European features, rather mulattos who boasted of being half-Somali half-Caucasian. These people have lived in the States for many years more than 20 years and they were absorbed by the host culture. I took a Cultural Pluralism course. Races get absorbed by the dominant culture after a long period of contact. If those of you who argue against failing to preserve our culture and unique genes, ask yourself what happened to the races that came to the Europe or States before us. In order to be accepted by the host society and improve the economic condition under which most of your people live in, the circumstance should force you to join the host society. We can still preserve our culture but generation after generation, it would all be gone. Learning the host language is one of the manifestations of the process of assimilation, amalgamation and integration. Look at our Somali section forum, it is dead almost and that doesn't mean all of us can't write Somali, but it doesn't feel good to write in Somali. Words of Wisdom It is hard to distinguish people's racial and cultural backgrounds as of late and for somalis this is true, just ask the younger generations about ubtiise maadoda (lineage) and they probably only know their last name (a passport filler name)! We can still preserve our culture but generation after generation, it would all be gone. Its like what has happened to the Native Indians, Ancient Beliefs are Dead, and Modern Superstitions are given Life. Its a scarry feeling to think that your child or even your grandchild would deny their muslim based, lineage be it Somali or Hindi or arab etc. 'Rabaana laa tuuzic quulubana bacada iidh haadiydhana, wahaablana miin laadunka rahma, inka antal wahab! 'O our Lord! Let not our hearts become perverse after this that You guided us and bestow on us mercy from Yourself; no doubt, You are the big Sura Al Imran, v. 8 Ameen

Salamz, Just for the fun of things, I would like to nominate the 'VILLAGE PEOPLE' starring JB,Socad Badne, Callypso and Castro (although he is running away and doing a solo gig now) They are a lovely bunch An honourable mention goes to Sheh (whom I can't remember what her sol name was before this summer :cool: ) and Allahubaxanee (somehow can't help but to remember a young Qaac Qac) SOL was getting real boring before these nomads came.

Originally posted by J B: quote:Originally posted by Khayr: Salams, Which is worse ATHEIST OR AGNOSTIC? Fi Amanillah What is the bad thing that they can be worse ? Atheist would EXPLICITLY deny GOD. Outright and infact would go out of their way to say that GOD does not exist. In the Islamic Terminology, this would be a Kafir. Agnostic is someone that knows that GOD 'could exist' but that the subject is open to 'DEBATE' and that a 'GOD being an important subject DEBATE' really ain't important because everything is RELATIVE i.e. Religion causes people to die, therefor, God is Evil and Cruel, therefor,what I say is RIGHT and what anything that 'GOD and Religion' say is RELATIVE to a specific TIME and PLACE and this ain't that time or place anymore etc. In islamic terminology, an Agnostic would be a Mushrik because they debase everything down to their 'RATIO' (if it don't make sense to me, then it must be wrong for afterall, my intelligence COMPREHENDS ALL things-RIGHT! )

Originally posted by Hawdgirl: I got no point to prove Jimca or Jimce whatever your name happens to be and for your info I aint a mandhoow I am a maandheey Well I guess I have to enlighten you on the reason why I posted this because I just want to know more about this... meaning why would a kid be killed in a such merciless way and my article is only intended for those who had the opportunity to go to dugsi in back home those who know more about this but not diaspora growing kid what kid was 'killed' in a 'dugsi' :confused: You are just trying to create and feed of 'negative emotions' and painting an entire 'dugsi system' with it. The hadith that I cited hits the nail. 'One truth, covered with a 100 LIES' :rolleyes:

Salamz, Zahra Abdi Hersi, Holland The Messenger of Allah (SAW) said: "The jinn snatches the right word then recites it into the ear of his ally. They add one hundred lies to it." (Al-Bukhari) Fi Amanillah

Salamz, Originally posted by Nailah: The concept of King Kong is quite debatable. Some argue that the ape resembles modern day black males and their pursuit of white women. Similar to black history, the story depicts King Kong as an ape that was captured in the Jungle and brought back to "civilisation" in chains. And like many black males of today, King Kong is shot down by police. Very subtle if I may add. Nevertheless, I won't be making a trip to the cinema this time. I dare not flatten my derriere by watching a long, pointless movie. GO ....Go....GO...Afrocentric black powaaaa movement...tell dem jive talking people the 'REAL COMMENTARY' on this film Just because it is 3hrs long and directed by Peter Jackson are good reasons for me to watch. In dhayaarta aan uu dhucayno bal filmka xaa noo doobaan seedhaan oodhawano!

Salams, If a Theist is someone who believes in God, and an Atheist a person who doesn't believe in God, then 'WHAT' is AGNOSTICIM and 'WHO' can be defined to be an 'AGNOSTIC' Is an Agnostic SOMEONE that thinks there are insufficient evidence to prove that god Does/Doesn't exist SOMEONE that knows that GOD exists but that GOD plays a menial 'THIRD ROLE' in their life i.e. Self is important, then family and then maybe GOD say XMAS, or when someone passes away etc. SOMEONE that couldn'te careless about GOD. GOD can exist but GOD is really not that important to them. Which is worse ATHEIST OR AGNOSTIC? Fi Amanillah

Originally posted by Wordette: wisdom varies upon defintion just like "common" sense, which is despite popular belief, not always shared and also Age is open to interpretation; there is no defined and agreed upon age (midh la'isku raacay universally) in which a human being must exhibit signs of wisdom or be found lacking. am I wrong? I brought this up because it seemed to me (quite a surprise really) that you considered nin qaangaadh ah (18-24)a "young" folk and attributed his "dependence" which I read to mean as lacking wisdom (underlying assumption!) to his age. If I interpreted it differently, feel free to correct me. '18-24' western raised, unwed folks are 'young' and yes, they do 'lack wisdom'....they haven't become an 'adult' yet because people in that age bracket are still treated as kids i.e. too early to wed, should be in school, live with parents etc. To be cont'd