Salams, If the story is true, then the brother has cheapened and de-valued both brides and the uncle is to share the blame. It is something caajib.

Originally posted by Nur: NGONGE bro. The current war in the middle east is a nationalist war, not religious, its about the prisoners, shebca farms, and soverignty of Lebanon, Israel's expansionism, and America's right wing Armagaddon prophets of major confrontation with heathens starting with Lebanon as a springboard to Iran, the real target in the opresent game, Lebanon is a secular country shared by many religious persuations who have reached the Taif pact to live in peace together and share power and resources equittably. Religion is playing a role of convenience at present to boost morale of fighters who are said to be martyrs by the arab media. The current geopolitical black hole draummed up by weopons manufacturers is sucking many entities in a regional war of the unkown order, emotional war, propoganda and usage of religion for political ends are all in the making of this mess in which the innocent are paying unproportinal price. Nur You can call it political saviness and knowing one's abilities and limitions. Alhamdulillah, they have been successful thus far. The incidents that sparked this war has little to do with Nationalism and more to do with helping out the oppressed and poor palestenian muslims, who are being punished for electing a certain party. A party whom the people favored but the western hegemonious, greatly detest. Fi Amanillah

Salafia is a ( Change Management) movement that found itself policing other revivalist Islamic movements in the turn of the century, who in the course of their Dawa work splintered into feuding factions with different names, in dispute over Aqeedah, Fiqh, controls of the revivalist movements, priorities and even on the level of Sunnah adherence of members of this growing revivalist movements. I agree with you Nur. Its leaders are mostly Hanbalis from Saudi Arabia or Somali students who have graduated from the Saudi Universities. The major hurdle that Salafayah movement has faced is the seemingly Dhaahiri interpretation of selected traditions, which are in conflict of Imam Shafici's way of Fiqh. Also absent from the Salafiya movement is a clear definition of a seemless transition from the present condition of the Ummah to that envisioned by the revivalists with their differences in approaches. And lastly, there is neither a single authority that represents this name, nor a single definition that spelled out what constitutes Salafiya approach in detail. One vague definition often given is the ( Quraan+ Sunnah+ The understanding of the Salaf generation) , however Quraan and Sunnah were covered by scholars of Tafseer and Science of Hadeeth, both of the salaf, but the "understanding of the Salaf" for those two sources present a circular logic , Like saying " We are closed, because we are not open" as Imaam Al Tabari was a Salaf Mufassir, likewsie Ibn Salaah who laid down the foundation of the science of hadeeth was a Salaf Hadeeth Scientist ( Salaf are those who lived immediately after the companions. I agree with you Nur but I don't know that you agree with me on this. The Salafiyyah (that name romanticizes them) ignore all 1400 yrs of Islamic Scholariship and say that All the knowledge and ijtihadat where made in that area. So anything after that era, is innovation. However, that discredits the work of other ulema and their understanding of the deen, who didn't necessarily live in that era. Also, the Salafiyyah completely ignore Human pyschology and the ummah at large. With the Salafiyyah, its as if we still live in the Meccan period, wherein the ayats that were revealed were largely about Hell and the punishments of the idolaters. The persona of the rasul (salallahu caliyhe wasilm) is very much downplayed and the wisdom and the flexibility of the rasul (salallahu caliyhe wasilm) is not reflected in some of their leading figures. As to labelling people other then muslim, why Allah in the quran uses labels such as Saliheen (righteous), Muhsineen (Good doers), Hezbollah (Party of Allah), Faaezuun (Winners) etc. when describing the Muslims and believers in general. The problem lies in the 'saved sect' mentality which creates antoganism between muslims and pride, within muslims. Allah loves the Believers in whatever form or name they come under whether they are the Mujahiruun, Anasar, Tabaeen, Salaf, Bani Hashim, Ahl al Tasawuf etc.... In anycase, the question that I posed for this thread is being side tracked: WHAT ATTRACTS SOMALIS TO THE SALAFIYYAH MOVEMENT? Fi Amanillah

Is it just my own observation or is Sky news a puppet mouth for israel. Sky news looks to be very anti-muslim. They got Netnanyahu on an interview and in the middle of the interviews, the skynews anchorman goes into a live update and says that one of the muslim men in U.K. who was recently shot and arrested, is charged with pornography that was found on his computer....and then the anchorman, proceeds with the interview. If I'm watching that, I would definitely get the impression that muslims were the real criminals. What a biased and bullshidd excuse for news reporting. :mad:

...So it is you that should be justifying the evident bias which is written on every line on your face, and is in every nuance of your voice,and is loaded in every question that you ask Just the way that I would respond-aggresively and not passive defensively, which is what the media lions love to do to people. Oh, please! Have a slightly longer memory then 4 weeks What a silly question, what a silly person you are.... Israeli withdrawl from all occupied terrotory...east jeurslem as the palestianin capital [ ...You believe, whether you know it or not, that israeli blood is more valuable then the blood of lebanese or palestenians Allahu Akbar! Its as if the Allah used him as a tool to speak the truth to the Rupert Murdoch Media tyrants. For we all know, a muslim who speaks like that would pay dearly for their comments (social isolation, terrorist labelling and character assasnations, security watches over them etc...). "What a silly person, what a silly question you are, Hizbollah is winning the war"

^^^ Niggas v. Black People....civil war! The man had me gagging on my saliva, cause I was laughing so damn hard. "Sweat of my #####, to the sweat of my ......"skeeet, skeeet He is the my favorite stand up comedian and he is intelligent like a courtjester that no one takes seriously.

Salams, Check out a clip of Chris Rock Chris Rock on Rap Warning: You might laugh real loud and folks at work might look at you strange. "America is the only place where people go hunting on a full stomach"

Originally posted by Northerner: ^^^lool This has more to with his movie The Passion of the Christ than anything else. You dont wanna mess with the Jewish people otherwise your career is over. They are roasting him like a Kosher Lamb. It is a wrap for Mel Gibson. Jewish advocacy groups and defamation legaes are all over it....and they don't want to accept an apology from Mel Gibson. :rolleyes:

"Aa lott of trouble in the first year of marriage is because people did not do the emotional preparation for this transition," said Paul. "Instead of talking about the roles of husband and wife, we end up focusing on the wedding planningg." Its very true that the focus is on the wedding and not the marriage itself. I don't think that parents do enough to teach their sons and daughters about marital duties, skills and roles. All that parents and the bride and groom care about is to not be out done by other people. Its sad indeed when both the bride and groom get into a debt and spend their families life savings on one night and an over the top, Hollywoodish honeymoon (Cairo, Morocco, Spain-anyone!) Fi Amanillah

Originally posted by Northerner: quote: Not much to see, just lots of Somalis. Thats the main reason i want to go,,,, Dubai is surprisingly very Islamic, away from all the malls of course. Dubai has some very nice sunni and shia masajid, mashAllah. Unfortunately, the old parts of Dubai are overtaken by its rapid modernization and obsession with lavish buildings. Oman sounds like a place that I'd like. Sharjah is a suburb of sorts of Dubai and from what I remember, was a nice quiet place. Al-ain is the most remote and 'omani' looking city that I've seen in U.A.E. Enjoy your stay there and don't ever, every visit the suuq al dhahb on payday or with your family unless its a special occassion.

^^^ Spoken like a true Devil's Advocate Have you by any chance read a Biography of the Life of the Prophet Muhammed (salallahu caliyhe wasilm)? I would personally recommend the Martin Ling's seerah (bioraphy of the Prophet Muhammed (salallahu caliyhe wasilm). Must be the summer weather, but its too nice to argue with Blonde svede boy right now!

Waryadha, you lot sound like anti-semenites I will be the first one to admit, that I am brain washed by these media outlets. Did you know that the IDF (zionist army) was discouraging world media from reporting damages done by the IDF to the lebanese people, in these recent IDF attacks? By the way, Is it just me, or do most settlers have an american accent? :confused:

Originally posted by Nur: Uthman bro A Good reminder, leadership reflects constituents, good constituents deserve good leadership and vice vesra, when Caliph Ali Radiyallahu Canhu was asked why is there so much Fitna during his time that did not exist dureing Abubakjar and Uthman, Ali witfully responded; " Kaanuu yaxkumuuna amthaali wa anaa axkumu amthaalukum" They used to rule over citizenry like me, and I rule over citizenry like you" In short, what you see in the streets and homes is what will happen at the highest office. Its a bottom up structure, Islam begins with the individual, family, community and the nation, not the other way around. Nur Indeed, what an individual does affects there family>>>what there family does inturn, affects their community>>>what is prevelant in their community inturn, affects their nation. The individual and family and community and nation are all inter-related in Islam. Fi Amanillah

Sis Haneefah, Here is something that might be of some use to you and others, inshallah. Some OBJECTIONS TO the Burda and their refutation One of their pretexts in objecting to Qasidat al-burda is line 155 of the poem: ya akram al-khalqi ma li man aludhu bihi siwaka `inda hululi al-hadithi al-`amami O noblest of creatures! I have none from whom to request protection Other than you when the Universal Event befalls. The "Salafis" choose to interpret this verse of al-Busiri to mean something contrary to Islam, namely that the Prophet is unduly attributed the power to save which is reserved for Allah exclusively. It seems that they would not hesitate to lay blame at the door of a Companion such as Hassan ibn Thabit for saying: I say, and none can find fault with me But one lost to all sense: I shall never cease to praise him. It may be for so doing I shall be for ever in Paradise With the Chosen One for whose support in that I hope. And to attain to that day I devote all my efforts.[83] The truth is that Busiri's line "I have none with whom to seek refuge other than you" refers to the Great Intercession (al-shafa`a al-kubra) of the Prophet on the Day of Judgment. This is the understanding of the commentaries on the Burda such as al-Bajuri's Hashya and Badr al-Din al-Ghazzi's al-Zubda fi sharh al-Burda. This event is described in the famous hadith of intercession already mentioned, related from Abu Hurayra in the last book (Tawhid) of Sahih al-Bukhari in which Allah four times tells His Prophet, Peace be upon him: "Ask and you shall receive, intercede and you shall have intercession." The Prophet each time intercedes and his intercession is accepted while all other prophets are powerless to intercede. His intercession is accepted four times: - For those who have a grain of faith in their heart; - For those who have a mustard seed of faith in their heart; - For those who have less than that of faith in their heart; - For those who ever said: La ilaha illallah ("There is no god but Allah alone"). Each of these four times, the Prophet is empowered to go and remove people from the Fire himself. The Prophet also said in many chains of hadith: "I am the master and leader of humanity on the Day of Resurrection." His intercession extends from all the Prophets to the greatest of sinners according to the two authentic hadiths: a) On the Day of Judgment I shall be the Imam of prophets and their spokesman and the owner of their intercession and I say this without pride.[84] (A reference to Qur'an 4:41: "How then shall it be, when We bring forward from every nation a witness, and bring thee to witness against those?") b) My intercession is for those people of my Community who commit major sins.[Narrated from Abu ibn Ka`b by Tirmidhi (hasan sahih) and Ibn Majah, as well as al-Hakim in his Mustadrak (1:11)] The Prophet owns this office exclusive of all other creatures including angels and Prophets. Allah has appointed the Prophet to it as confirmed by the hadith in Bukhari and Muslim: "I have been given five things which no other prophets before me were given... I was given shafa`a (intercession with Allah)".[86] Quoted below are other confirmations in the Shari`a that al-Busiri is referring to a kind of Sunna refuge-seeking even if it has a creature as its object. As for the lexical confirmation that refuge-seeking in the Prophet is permitted, it is that al-Busiri does not use a`udhu for "I seek refuge" but aludhu, which is common as an Arabic expression of seeking refuge lexically in other than God, e.g. in the shade, or in military allies. This is precisely the cognate used not once but twice in the following verse, which may be the direct subtext for Busiri's verse and was uttered by the Prophet's poet himself, the Companion Hassan ibn Thabit: ya ruknun mu`tamadun wa `ismatun la'idhun wa maladhun muntaja`un wa jarun mujawiru O pillar relied upon and protection in which refuge is sought, and saving resort, and nearby neighbor![87] The following two hadiths exemplify the lexical permissibility of applying to or asking from the Prophet what is legally applied to or asked only of Allah, without there being su' al-zann (a bad meaning) attributed to the petitioner: namely, in the first case, protection from harm in this world, and, in the second, protection from the Fire in the next world. Note that Bayhaqi related the second hadith in his book without objecting in the least to its content or language, although some self-proclaimed scholars of hadith today would altogether condemn such wording as shirk. They even cite against it the verse iyyaka na`budu wa iyyaka nasta`in, in apparent ignorance of the permissible help-seeking whether it is named istighatha or isti`ana, as proved, among others, by the following evidence: · the verse in sura al-Kahf: fa`inuni bi quwwa (18:95) "Do but help me with strength"; · the verse already cited in al-Shatti's fatwa on tawassul: fa istaghathahu al-ladhi min shi`atihi (28:15) "The man of his own people asked him for help against his foe"; · the hadith from `Abd Allah ibn `Umar related by Bukhari in his Sahih, book of Tawhid, whereby the Prophet said: The sun shall draw close on the Day of Resurrection until the sweat of the people shall reach to mid-ear, whereupon they shall seek help with Adam (istaghathu bi adam) then with Musa then with Muhammad, blessings and peace be upon him, and he shall intercede (fa yashfa`) in order for judgment to be passed among the people -- and this is the plainest proof for the permissibility of istighatha or seeking help in the sense of tashaffu` or asking intercession; · the hadith related by Imam Ahmad whose chain Ibn Hajar in Fath al-bari declared fair (hasan)[88] from al-Harith ibn Hassan al-Bakri whereby the latter said to the Prophet without being rebuked: a`udhu billahi wa rasulihi an akuna ka wafidi `ad -- I seek refuge in Allah and His Prophet from being like the envoy to `Ad.[Ahmad, Musnad (3:482 #15960).] · and the following evidence: Hadith on seeking refuge in the Prophet from a fire Narrated `Ali: The Prophet sent some troops under the command of a man from the Ansar and ordered the soldiers to obey him. At one point the commander became angry and said to them: "Didn't the Prophet order you to obey me?" They replied, "Yes." He said, "Collect fire-wood for me." So they collected it. He said, "Make a fire." When they made it, he said, "Enter the fire." At this they started holding each other and saying: "We flee to the Prophet from the fire!" (Arabic: fararna ila al-nabi min al-nar, cf. Qur'an: fa firru ilallah "Take flight to Allah!" 51:50), that is : We seek refuge in the Prophet from the fire. They kept on saying that till the fire was extinguished and the anger of the commander abated. When that news reached the Prophet he said: "If they had entered it (i.e. the fire), they would not have come out of it till the Day of Resurrection. Obedience (to somebody) is required when he enjoins what is good."[English Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 629. ] Hadith on seeking refuge in the Prophet From Hellfire Imam Bayhaqi said in Shu`ab al-iman: Abu al-Husayn ibn Bushran told us, from Abu `Amr `Uthman ibn Ahmad al-Sammak, from Muhammad ibn `Abdik, from Abu Bilal, from Abu al-Malih al-Raqi, from Maymun ibn Mahran, from Ibn `Abbas: A delegation of Bedouin Arabs among whom was a young man came to the Prophet. The young man said to the older ones: Go and pledge loyalty to the Messenger of Allah, and meanwhile I shall keep your mounts. The older men went and pledged loyalty to him. Then the young man came, grasped the Prophet by the two sides of his waist (akhadha bi haqway rasulillah), and said: "O Messenger of Allah, I seek from you (or: I appeal to you for) protection from the Fire (ya rasulallah astajiruka min al-nar)!" The people said: "Boy, let go of him! (da`hu ya ghulam)" But he replied: "By the One Who has sent him, I shall not let go of him until he grants me protection from the fire! (walladhi ba`athahu la utrikuhu hatta yujirani min al-nar)" At that point Jibril came to the Prophet and said: "O Muhammad, grant him protection, for verily Allah the Exalted has granted him protection (ya muhammad ajirhu fa inna Allaha ta`ala qad ajarahu)."[91] The great hafiz and lexicographer al-sayyid al-Zabidi says in his dictionary Taj al-`arus, s.v. haqwin that the expression `adha bi haqwihi (literally "he sought refuge with the man's flank") means: he had recourse to him for refuge, protection, or preservation. In addition let us cite four more hadiths on the Companions' overt declaration of reliance, for salvation, upon the Prophet's love and companionship with him rather than on any other form of worship. Hadiths on the sufficiency of the Prophet's love for salvation Narrated Anas: A man asked the Prophet about the Hour saying, "When will the Hour be?" The Prophet said, "What have you prepared for it?" The man said, "Nothing, except that I love Allah and His Apostle." The Prophet said, "You will be with those whom you love." (Anas continues:) We had never been so glad as we were on hearing that saying of the Prophet (i.e., "You will be with those whom you love.") Therefore, I love the Prophet, Abu Bakr, and `Umar, and I hope that I will be with them because of my love for them though my deeds are nothing like theirs. (Bukhari) The above is elucidated by the following hadiths: - "Among those of my Community who love me most intensely are certain people who will come after me and who would give away their family and property in exchange for seeing me." Muslim narrated it in his Sahih, book of "Paradise and its bliss and people." - A man came to the Prophet and said: "Messenger of Allah, I love you more than my family and my possessions. I remember you and I cannot wait until I can come and look at you. I remember that I will die and you will die and I know that when you enter the Garden, you will be raised up high with the Prophets. When I enter it, I will not see you." Allah then revealed: "Whoever obeys Allah and the Messenger, they are with those whom He has favored: the Prophets, the True Saints, the Martyrs, and the Righteous. Ah! What an excellent company." (4:69) The Prophet called the man and recited the verse to him. Tabarani and Ibn Mardawayh narrated it from `A'isha and Ibn `Abbas, and Qadi `Iyad cited it in al-Shifa' as well as Ibn Kathir in his Tafsir (1:310) and al-Baghawi in his. It is further elucidated by the hadith of `Umar whereby a man was punished by the Prophet because of wine-drinking. One day when he was brought to him and he gave orders and had him beaten, one of those present said: "O Allah, curse him. How often he is brought!" The Prophet said: "Do not curse him. I swear by Allah that I know he loves Allah and His Messenger." (Bukhari) `Umar's reliance on companionship with the Prophet for the reward of his deeds Narrated Abu Burda ibn Abi Musa al-Ash`ari: `Abd Allah ibn `Umar said to me, "Do you know what my father said to your father once?" I said, "No." He said, "My father said to your father, 'O Abu Musa, will it please you that we will be rewarded for our conversion to Islam with Allah's Apostle and our migration with him, and our Jihad with him and all our good deeds which we did, with him, and that all the deeds we did after his death will be disregarded whether good or bad?' Your father (i.e. Abu Musa) said, 'No, by Allah, we took part in Jihad after Allah's Apostle , prayed and did plenty of good deeds, and many people have embraced Islam at our hands, and no doubt, we expect rewards from Allah for these good deeds.' On that my father (i.e. `Umar) said, 'As for myself, By Him in Whose Hand `Umar's soul is, I wish that the deeds done by us at the time of the Prophet remain rewardable while whatsoever we did after the death of the Prophet be enough to save us from Punishment in that the good deeds compensate for the bad ones.' " On that I said (to Ibn `Umar), "By Allah, your father was better than my father!"[92] Report from Sufyan al-Thawri on asking the Prophet for help (istighata bi al-nabi s.a.w.s.) The following excerpt translated from an early Islamic Hadith reference illustrates the permissibility of considering the Prophet a source of help in salvation from the Fire and the importance of making Salawat on the Prophet, salla allahu alayhi wa sallam. It is cited in Tanbih al-ghafilin bi ahadith sayyid al-anbiya' wa al-mursalin (Warning the Heedless with the Sayings of the Master of Prophets and Messengers) by al-faqih, al-zahid, al-`alim al-`amil, al-ustadh al-muhaddith al-muhaqqiq... shaykh Nasr ibn Muhammad ibn Ibrahim al-Samarqandi (d. 373): By way of Sa`id ibn `Umayr al-Ansari who fought in the battle of Badr: he said: The Messenger of Allah, blessings and peace be upon him, said: "Whoever invokes blessings upon me from my Community sincerely from his heart once, Allah sends ten blessings upon him, and raises him ten degrees." And he (al-Samarqandi) said: I heard my father narrate: It happened that while Sufyan al-Thawri was circumambulating the Ka`ba, he saw a man who did not raise a foot nor lower a foot except that he made salat for the Prophet, sallallahu `alayhi wa sallam. Sufyan said: I told him: "O you, you have left saying subhan Allah and la ilaha illallah and have proceeded with the salat on the Prophet! Do you have any explanation regarding this?" He said: "Who are you, may Allah Pardon you?" I said: "I am Sufyan al-Thawri." He said: Had it not been that you are one of the Strangers among the people of your own time (i.e. one of Ahl al-Sunna), I would not have told you of my condition, nor exposed to you my secret. I went out with my father on pilgrimage to the Holy house of Allah, until I reached one of the resting stations. My father became sick and I began to care for him. Then one night when I was at his bedside, he died and his face turned dark. So I said, "We belong to Allah and to Him we are returning!" Then I pulled the covers over his face, after which sleep overcame me and I slept. I saw a man next to me with a face such as I had never seen a more handsome one, nor clothes cleaner than his, nor a scent finer than his; he was raising one foot and lowering the other until he came close to my father and removed the covers from his face, whereupon the face turned light. Then he started to go back, so I held onto his clothes and said: "O servant of Allah, who are you, with whom Allah has graced us in this foreign land?" He said: "Don't you know me? I am Muhammad ibn `Abd Allah, the Companion of the Qur'an. Now your father transgressed against himself, but he used to do invoke salat on me frequently, and when he was affected with what affected him he called on me for help (isthaghatha bi), and I am a prompt helper of one who makes salat on me frequently (wa ana ghayyathun liman akthara al-salata `alay)." He said, "Then I woke up, and I saw that the face of my father was white."[93] This report illustrates the acceptability of asking the Prophet for help even after his life not on the basis of the dream -- for dreams are not retained by the Shari`a for the derivation of legal rulings -- but on the basis of the account of the dream being part of the teaching of Islam and taqwa by one of the luminaries of the Community. The acceptability of this narration to the author, the narrator, and the Community indicates that they viewed its contents as being valid, not as being conducive to shirk as the "Salafis" claim! Source

Originally posted by Amelia: quote: Originally posted by underdog: If the yearly cost of education is 14730 (pounds per year) source These figures are for international students. It 1/14th that amount if you live here. That pretty much blows ur caveman calculations outta window. >>>>> shooo! Institutionalized Education is good and it will most likely get you somewhere in life. However, its not the only route. Infact, most rich people havent bothered learning skills to work for people, they learned how money works and how to manage people. p.s.good Xiin , you've to stop encouraging girls to aspire to be housewives (because you like the idea ). Most guys either dont like it or cant shoulder the responsibility. Amelia/Athena, Reality is a b####, ain't it! New graduate, stuck with a debt and being sheld crumbs at work for wages, in hopes of a raise one day. The 'HIGHER EDUCATION SCHEME' is the one of the biggest money makers, next to the insurance industry. What people need is family, relatives, community - which forms your bases for a reliable network. You can't survive alone and certainly not with a load of debt to carry in your early 20's. Funny thing is that we don't realize this until we have made the errors, which haunt us for many years. Capitalist society is definitely anti-traditional family unit and thrives on debt and the world of 'financing' i.e. you can borrow your way to anything you like (cars, homes, education, family etc). Only problem is you become a slave to this and repeat these cycles over and over again. Its worse then any addiction.

Originally posted by Jamilah: quote:Originally posted by Socod_badne: quote: Originally posted by Jamilah: Whatever happend to "with dertermination and passion anything is possible". It's not true. All the determination and passion in the world won't help you swallow the moon. What can I say SB your location "Island of insanity" is most suitable for you, I strongly recommend you dwell their permanently!

Originally posted by Viking: Khayr, The points Nur raised and the petro-dollars you mentionned probably did have a lot to do with it. But I think that two more aspects might have also played a significant role in the directions Somalis take. 1. Somalis generally are people of an oral tradition and don't have a history/tradition of academe, or libraries of domestic literature from the past. Therefore, most of the population followed "literally" what the handful of scholars (educated abroad) had to say because there is/was no alternative. You will hardly hear a Somali (I'm generalising here) say I read this and that (about a certain issue and the different points of view scholars have) but you will often hear Sheikh hebel said this and sheikh hebel said that, their source of information is oral, either from the pulpit, casettes, word-of-mouth or through madrasas (from teachers with links to the Hijaz). 2. We don't have a culture of questionning things that are of religious nature. To do this, you will have to refer to books or other scholars from the past whose works you need to know about by reading. This makes the issue of "taqleed" very easy to swallow for most Somalis because of the reasons stated above. I agree about the strength of oral tradition and that somalis that system of communication to be the one of the soundest. Thus, if the only somali masjids have a salafi bend, then the somali community in that local will follows those tenants. They see somali and they see religion, thus it must be the truth and only true version of the deen. It is true that the salafiyyah do have alot of financial backing and therefor can print and distribute most of the current religous literature and fund masajids. For somalis, if habelayo goes to the masjid and they are your somali friend/relative etc., then we are more likely to attend with them and listen to their dawa. If it ain't somali and if it is a taboo in the somali community, then it usually is rejected. That is why somalis congregate in masajid that are filled with other somalis and their somali peers. If somalis don't frequent a particular masjid, there must be something wrong with it-right? Nur said: This may not be true brother, during the golden age of knowldge, Bagdad , Basra, Damascus and Azhar were attracting the faithful to islam, its not the location, its the content that attracts the faithful, and today, Makkah's Umm Al Quraa University and Madina University have gotten their act together to graduate many students. I would disagree saxib and say that it is the location and the very fact that the Hijaz has many resources ($$$) to offer in the spread of the Salafiyyah minhaj.

Originally posted by Salahh: Ngonge, I have no clue where you are coming from. First of all, I am surprised that you are content with having one man dominate another due to his/her financial troubles. Another thing, why do we need slaves if people can work and get paid for the amount of work they do? Would it be because we would like to mistreat them knowing that they wouldn't be able to do jack? I don't get it...break it down for me. JB, Thanks for the Education....I had no clue the prophet was rolling that deep. Atleast he was buying more than he was selling but I do not get why (him being the prophet and all), he didn't set them free? I am even more appalled that he was selling some? All in all, I don't think any human can beautify slavery. It doesn't matter wether the economy depended on it....owning a human is unjust. If you work, your boss owns you. If you have shelter, your landlord or the gov. owns you. You are a slave to someone or something; therefor, your line of reasoning is negatable. Plus, its just arguments that are filled with sentiment and not objectivity.

Originally posted by Valenteenah: Move over BB ... Hello [Celebrity] Love Island ! Trash TV..err, sorry, I mean reality shows are popular everywhere, aren't they? It's akin to viewing a horrific roadside crash. Nothing beats property and gardening shows. My evenings and weekends are spent watching programmes like Location, Location, Location ; Property Ladder ; Put Your Money Where Your House Is ; Weed it and Reap ; Would You Buy a House With a Stranger? ; Increase Your House Price By £10K ... etc., etc. Educational and entertaining. Thank God for E4 & UKTV! Why so many shows of late, about fixing up homes and prices of homes etc.? Less shows about family life and the nuclear family. A home is no longer viewed as a place to raise a family but rather, a place to make Money and more Money and more Money. :rolleyes: SubhanAllah, we live in a world full of empty shells.

Originally posted by Nur: Salafiya as a movement stressed the necessity that the means to the restablishment of Islam begins with strict folloiwng of the Sunnah literally meaning METHOD of the Prophet, factors that helped Islam to be established in the first time are the only factors that can revive islam again, Salafiyah focused on authenticity of the Prophets sayings and deeds, and the understanding of the forst generation of the companions and their followers ( Taabiciin) Thus, Salafiyyah movement attracted the youth in Somalia after their realization that other Islamic movements for social and political change where lacking the iBOK dimension, and hence it became a back to the basics movement focusing on the knowledge aspect of the Faith. as the safest way for reaching salvation. Is Salafiyah the total answer? Well, That requires another thread Nur I agree and disagree I think that the salifiyyah movement spread because : of the free islamic university education that was offerred hijaz (mecca/medina etc.) in the 20th and 21st century. Siyad Barre's very pro-socialistic and pro-western idealogy, which called for increased westernizaation and decreased Islamization. Like most muslims, mecca and medina are the center of Islamic world. So envitably, a fatwa/islamic ruling from the center of the Islamic world holds weight for the majority of layman muslims. Somalis being no different then the rest of the muslims. Since the Salafiyyah dominate that part of the world, it makes sense to the layman muslim (avg. muslim) to assume that any position coming from the center of the Islamic world is correct. It is to be assumed that an islamic opinion or ruling that comes from Mecca or Medina/K.S.A. is automatically the Best and Only position that should be adopted by muslims. Somalis by and large, don't have Ulema that have studied other islamic schools thought and who follow those other schools of Islamic thought. Most are poor, particularly the religious ones. Also, Somalis don't view Islamic knowledge as something tangible i.e. makes money, attains employment etc., so the majority of our families would not be enthuisastic about shelling out $$$$ on an Islamic education, especially to Muslim University. These factors, I think contribute so somalis being attracted to the Salafiyyah movements. I would agree that Salafiyyah movements are necessary because they do give a simple picture of Islam. But aren't other schools of thought necessary too for Somalis and Muslims by and large? Fi Amanillah

Originally posted by Naden: Nur, you teased my competitive spirit with your questions so let me take a crack at some. What does Nicmah mean in that Surah? The nicmah in the fatiha is guidance to the righteous path. Why do we recognize a nicmah only when we have lost it? Our nicmahs are niqmahs sometimes. Now, Think about the possibility of Somalis becoming a familay again? Somalis never stopped being a family; being hateful and cruel is part of nature and if they had appreciated the nicmah of land, wealth, and each other, they would not have fallen. Can you recall the verse in Quraan that explains Nicmah from a brotherhood perspective? Al-Imran, Verse 103. By far, my favourite since I was a child. { وَٱعْتَصÙÙ…Ùواْ بÙحَبْل٠ٱللَّه٠جَمÙيعاً وَلاَ تَÙَرَّقÙواْ وَٱذْكÙرÙواْ Ù†Ùعْمَتَ ٱللَّه٠عَلَيْكÙمْ Ø¥Ùذْ ÙƒÙنْتÙمْ أَعْدَآءً ÙَأَلَّÙÙŽ بَيْنَ Ù‚ÙÙ„ÙوبÙÙƒÙمْ ÙَأَصْبَحْتÙمْ بÙÙ†ÙعْمَتÙه٠إÙخْوَاناً ÙˆÙŽÙƒÙنْتÙمْ عَلَىٰ Ø´ÙŽÙَا Ø­ÙÙْرَة٠مّÙÙ†ÙŽ ٱلنَّار٠ÙَأَنقَذَكÙمْ مّÙنْهَا كَذٰلÙÙƒÙŽ ÙŠÙبَيّÙن٠ٱللَّه٠لَكÙمْ آيَاتÙه٠لَعَلَّكÙمْ تَهْتَدÙونَ } (And hold fast, all of you together, to the cable of Allah) hold fast to the Religion of Allah and His Book, (and do not separate) in religion. (And remember Allah's favour unto you) by giving you Islam: (how ye were enemies) before Islam (and He made friendship between your hearts) through Islam (so that ye became as brothers by His grace) by His Religion, Islam; (and (how) ye were upon the brink of an abyss of fire) i.e. because of disbelief, (and He did save you from it) by means of faith. (Thus Allah maketh clear His revelations) His commands, prohibitions and favours (unto you, that haply ye may be guided) from error. Walahi, its an ayat that is often forgotten over and over again. Maybe a nomad can retell the story behind this ayat. JZK Nur and Naden

It is ajeeb/strange that these shows have come to exist in such a vaccum. Meaning in a matter of 4-5yrs, these shows have become worldwide. Popping up in many host countries that are trying to mimick these idiocies. By the waym, the U.S. BB shows are very tame compared to the UK and other euro BB shows.

Salamun Caliykum ya akhawati, Just wanted to ask this question to other nomads on here. I have noticed that the somalis that are oriented towards the deen are by and large influenced by Salafiyyah methodologies and worldviews. What are some of the things that attract somalis in masses towards the Salafiyyah minhaj? Is one reason for this attraction towards Salafiyyah is because there are very few Somali Ulema who have in recent times studied deen outside of the Salafiyyah and outside of the Hijaz (Mecca and Medina University etc. which are Salafi centers of learning (in school of thought))? I have yet to meet or here from any Somalis that have studied deen in the rest of the muslim world say Morocco or Syria or Malaysia etc... Your assistance would be appreciated. Fi Amanillah

More of the 44yr old Ahmed Waryadhaa, he looks like Napolean! Sabaxad yaa oodeeba Michelle! :mad: Anyone watching the current Big Brothers? You know they have one in Thailand?

Salamun caliykum, waryadhaa I recently discovered that the show Big Brother has become a worldwide phenomena. Any SOL fans of the show? Big Brother 5 UK-Ahmed the Somali (funny)