I thought that I might share this.... Shia's view Shia are glad that some Sunni have come to the conclusion that Nikah Mut'ah fills a necessary social function in giving laws for those who need it. At the same time Shia look with a humoristic disbelief on the people who refuse acknowledge that Umar made a innovation in forbidding Nikah Mut'ah, and rather innovate their own inferior version of Nikah Mut'ah, a version without Quranic support, not giving the woman the right to know how long the marriage is supposed to last. Since it is stated by Sunni Scholars that it is not permissible to stipulate a date of divorce, Shia view this form of marriage as deception and a gross sin towards the woman entering a marriage without knowing that the husband has the hiden intends to divorce after a period. Shia also view this as playing with the concept of Nikah and damaging its concept of being a permanent marriage, since the Sunni scholars deeming it Halal do so in belive that it is ultimately a normal Nikah, with the same rules, although changed by the couple. Source

These are good questions to ask and will reflect the leadership style. As a saying goes-The People are a reflection of their leader. What do you know about the Courts? If they ruled the whole of Somalia, what interpretation of the faith do you expect them to apply and what ones do you wish they would avoid? Salafiyyah, as that is what somalis know of. Although, from Northerner's article, Sh. Ahmed isn't one. In anycase, there is alot of goodness in the salafiyyah movement in their work in Somalia. Qurans are being read again, masjids are being filled and various sunnans are being practised. It isn't a lax form of Islam but I don't think that these people need a 'laxity' right now. Some rigidity is good to get the job done. 15yrs of laxity haven't produced much. Inshallah, they will maintain their status and uphold good governance. For Allah does not lay to waist the work of the rigtheous believers.... Fi Amanillah

Originally posted by Northerner: LST, his day at work will be all the more exciting now hedoesntdomuchanyway Northerner, that was below the belt.

So how could we copy them if we have very different assumptions on both Human nature and our priorities? This is at the heart of it all... The Muslim comes from a different worldview i.e. That Man is a temporal being created to worship his Lord and is a creature for the Hereafter. This world is a temporary state. (IDEAL MUSLIM b/c most of us are confused and are accidentaly muslim, not consciously.) For the avg. capitalistic consumerism "ACC" (which is what most of the population aspires to be), their worldview is that this world is all they got. Therefor, do ALL YOU CAN or 'BE ALL YOU CAN BE'. Consquences come into play when it is a financial matter i.e. threat of jobless, loss of home etc. Therefor, interest and any other means to attain financial gain is acceptable to the Avg. capitalistic consumerism "ACC", albeit it has to be legal. Whether the action is moral or not is a relative and subjective matter for the ACC. From what I have understood, Islamic financing is not about attaining 'Jannah' on earth i.e. a comfortable life. Rather it is about building a healthier and stronger muslim community. The aim of this is for muslims to interact and help one another and give 'goodly loans/qarda hasna' and 'sadqats' and pay our'Zakats', so that we might attain TAQWA/Consciousness of Allah It is to intergate the secular with the sacred. Hence, why when Salat is mention in the quran, the word zakat follows it: And be steadfast in Salat; practise Zakat; and bow down your heads with those who bow down (in worship). (2:43) But those among them who are well-grounded in knowledge, and the believers, believe in what hath been revealed to thee and what was revealed before thee: And (especially) those who establish regular prayer and pay Zakat and believe in Allah and in the Last Day: To them shall We soon give a great reward. And certainly Allah made a covenant with the children of Israel, and We raised up among them twelve chieftains; and Allah said: Surely I am with you; if you keep up prayer and pay the ZAKAT and believe in My messengers and assist them and offer to Allah a goodly gift, I will most certainly cover your evil deeds.... These are just a few ayats as there are many more linking Salat with Zakat. Fi Amanillah

Originally posted by HornAfrique: quote: Originally posted by Sophist: Horn, you were cheering for the courts before you have realised that they were going to take over Kismayo. Doesn't this tell us a thing or two why you are so vahemently against the movevemnt of justice and equality. Hiiraale was invader himself and he has brought with him his peeps from Galgaduud; it is just logical that they protest against the uprrooting of their adeer. Aloow umadaad u gargaar. Adeer dad sidey u joogaanbo sharkey iska bixiyaan. Waxa kali aad sxbkaa Xiin uga duwantahay waxaa weeye fursad bey tani kusiisey. Maxay ahayd waxaa tidhi? Subag iyo waxii kale maxay ahayd ha siiyaan "dumarka qaadka u banaanbaxaya". Nin rag ah ii dheh. Marna ma qaadbay u banaanbaxayaan, marna ma adeerkood? Ninyaho hal mawqif yeelo, laba kaclaynta kuguma haboona. Saxib, There are is some truth coming from Sophist's observation. Anyways, its Ramadan and I think that in this section, we are all forgetting Allah and recounting negativities. Most of us becoming repeated participants in emotionally laden agruments. Fi Amanillah

Maybe I can put this in laymen's terms: If I lend money to Northerner to buy a car and the conditions are: -Northerner come up with 25-%50% of the downpayment. -Repayment plan over 5yrs. -Khayr owns the car incase of default in the repayment plan. -Khayr gets a profit of $1000 at the end of the 5yr term for providing the loan services. -Loan amount is $5000 to Northerner. Would this be Halal? How does the lender 'benefit financially' from lending the loan? In the case of a home, I can say that the parties can agree to sell the home after a number of yrs. or at a fixed prices and split the equaty in the homes. i.e. Djib-Somali gets a loan from Northerner to purchase a home. Terms: -Djib has to put down 5% of the purchasing home price. -A 5yr term (Vendor take back i.e. Northerner buys the home and enters into a home equity sharing agreement with Djib.) Home is to be sold in 5yrs at a particular bottom line price. -Equity shares after the sale of house are split percentage wise. i.e. 75% for Northerner (Majority Shareholder) and 25% for Djib (Minority Shareholder). Now, how is the risk 'reduced' for Northener in this case?

These Mad Scientists.... Until then, theoretical physicists had cobbled together small pieces of evidence that the universe and everything in it had appeared suddenly about 15 billion years ago from an infinitesimally small point in a vacuum of nothingness. What difference does a million or a billion yrs make to the average person re: the life span of the universe? What a complete waste of energy and resources? You know the funny thing is, another Mad Scientist will come up with a new set of Emprical findings and make new conclusions and develop new theories....and another one will follow and do the same.....and another one.... Meaning, the information just becomes RELATIVE and subject to change at anytime.

Originally posted by Valenteenah: LoL @ Libaax . Eager beavers dheh! That's what I like to hear. Fine, they can come down to my house. It's right behind Brixton Tube station. Che , what are you scoffing at? What's wrong with virtual ajar, huh? It's the thought that counts. Last Time, I check, that area had a bad rep. and a No-Somali fly zone. Now, I know you bloody Somalis, so I don’t want to hear any mention of those outrageously fattening and oily ‘saanbuuse’ and ‘quraaq’ crap. Ditto to 'Bariis isku dhex karis'. A bit heart broken by those words....these are household staples during ramadan.

Hmmm, why do those with 'fat bellies and a lap top' roar...oops, I mean squeek, so often and so much? Amin Amir who has done a stunning job educating the public with his political cartoons. Amin is well known to draw cartoons related to the most current issues of Somalia and his cartoons does not portray only the ICU’s flawed process, but also the TFG. A quick review of Mr. Amin’s cartoons would show that he has exposed cartoons related to pertinent issues in Somaliland and Puntland as well. [/quote} Just like any artist, Mr. Amin is only interested in his 'version' of the 'Painting'. Truth is a relative thing to an artist and is always a subjective matter.

This is in a nutshell what this Islamists are about, and I really do not blame them; for if I was a committed revolutionary, at least in their kind of mould, I would have done the same tactics of trying to appeal to the hearts of the public, which is full of mushy sentiments(particularly as it regards to the notion of our creedal belief-system, such as Islam, and it's sacred Koranic Text) as opposed to applying myself with a rigorous debate that I can proceed to acquit my arguments, in it’s larger sense from it's opponents; with the aid of deeply analytical frame-of-mind, to say the least, in so far as my interlocutors are concern. An appeal to the 'Emotions'....why-isn't that the aim of Democracies in the form of Elections? The Majority of people are not 'intellectuals' and do not possess "deeply analytical frame-of-mind". So why the differential treatment towards the UIC for being politically acute and suave. For them to use 'islamic unity for somali' as their campaign slogan is the right thing to do and inshallah, with the right intentions, they shall prosper. Although, in many minds including mine, they have prospered.

Originally posted by Suldaanka: Mr. Oodweyne That was a very good read sxb. quote: Whilst on the other hand, in Somaliland, the end results that the Islamists are essentially about, is a political offer that simply and in plain terms says, the political end of Somaliland's Nationhood and it's Sovereignty is the first price that you must willingly swallowed and pay it in upfront manner; particularly for the enactment of Islamists regime and it's political agenda in Somaliland. No matter how many chapters of the Quran an Somalilander Islamist reads, that is where it comes down to. It is a question of which is more dearer to people: Nationalism or Iman? If you pick the former, then you are with the hizb an nafsani. Mr. Oodweyne, You ever been a radio talk show personality? Waa dhoormata! But how can I forget, your nickname says it all-Caodweyne I was reading some quran earlier and I caught passage of this ayat قَالَ Ù…Ùوسَىٰ Ù„ÙقَوْمÙه٠ٱسْتَعÙينÙوا بÙٱللَّه٠وَٱصْبÙرÙوۤاْ Ø¥Ùنَّ ٱلأَرْضَ للَّه٠يÙورÙØ«Ùهَا Ù…ÙŽÙ† يَشَآء٠مÙنْ عÙبَادÙه٠وَٱلْعَاقÙبَة٠لÙلْمÙتَّقÙينَ Said Moses to his people: "Pray for help from Allah, and (wait) in patience and constancy: for the earth is Allah's, to give as a heritage to such of His servants as He pleaseth; and the end is (best) for the righteous . V.127, Sura Al-Aaraf SomaliLand does not belong to a paritcular tribe or somaliland flag wavers....for the Earth is Allah's to give as a heritage to such of His serveants as He Pleaseth.

Diminishing Musharaka Diminishing Musharaka is a form of partnership, which ends with the complete ownership of a partner who purchases the share of another partner in that project by a redeeming mechanism agreed between both of them. Applying this mechanism on property financing, we will enter into a partnership with you for the purchase of a property, thereby having common ownership in it. Thereafter, we will lease our share in the property to you and will receive agreed rentals. Periodically, you will purchase a pre-agreed percentage of our share in the property, thereby increasing your ownership in the property and reducing our share by a similar amount. The ownership of the entire property will pass to you upon successful completion of the agreed lease term. Terms of Financing: Bank Participation : Maximum 50% of the property value Financing Period : Up to 10 years Mode of Payment : Quarterly, Semi-annual or Annual terms are available Source of Payment : Rentals of the property Bank’s Rental : EIBOR rate plus margin applied on the outstanding value of the Bank’s share in the Musharaka Property for each rental period Security : First class mortgage on the land & building, post dated cheques covering installments Insurance : The Musharaka property to be fully insured in Bank’s favour Qualified Assets : Residential, Office Buildings & Villa Complexes What is an EIBOR rate ? It sounds like that it is a 50/50 parternship. How does an the average consumer come up with 50%

Ramadan Kareem to all of you nomads. Inshallah, you are able to increase your ibaadat in this month and spend alot of the time with the Quran. Fi Amanillah

Internatinoal Relations at work ~ Alhamdulillah!

In addition, in Ayah(s) 159 and 160 of Surah 3: Ali Imran, the Qur’an reads as follows: “It is part of the Mercy of Allah that thou dost deal gently with them. Wert thou severe or harsh-hearted, they would have broken away from about thee: so pass over (their faults) and ask for (Allah’s) forgiveness for them; and consult them on affairs (of the moment). Then, when thou hast taken a decision, put thy trust in Allah. For Allah loves those who put their trust (in Him)†I believe that the UIC has consulted with people re: Kismayo take over without a bullet fired, and they inshallah will continue to do so. For Wisdom dictates that gentle action towards people is what gains their allegiance and loyalty. Allow sahal amuuraha Amin

Pass the qaat and slip me the money. The Real question is - who gets paid more-the Qaat King of Somaliland and his envoys from ethiopia or the Somaliland President or are they one and the same??? Hmmmm..... :rolleyes: No one wants the people of flag waving 'somaliland' to become sober or else they will wonder-why the hell am I jobeless awaiting a pick up from dhab shiil every month?

Some questions that maybe Northener and D.S. and Nur and others can help with: How does a muslim obtain an interest free loan to buy into a business or even startup a business? Are there interest free loans for purchasing vehicles? How does Equit sharing work in such a suitation? How about interest free student loands? Please don't provide a 'link only' response. Jazaka Allah khayrun

Originally posted by Sharif_seylaci: Never somaliland is an independent country there is no unification if any one try to force to anything we dont want. like mr ducaale said somaliland information minister this blow will burn the holl horn of africa And it would be the final blow just like in it is mention in the al hadith when the war in ardu al habasha killz many woman and men the end of time is near Saxib, You're a comedian!

This is just the kinda of exposure that the worlds is looking for. These demonstrators are just some cronies puppets. Conflict must occur and is necessary for change. If the people revolt, so be it. That does not mean that their revolt is correct and legitimate. The Shaytan works well on the weak souls!

Originally posted by NGONGE: Female intuition takes time to develop, saaxib. It’s a mind trick. It’s emotional blackmail. It’s total and utter rubbish. It’s a game of chance, a gamble and a lottery. She cooks you a meal, tells you that she KNOWS you will love it; you eat her meal and hate it! But if you say you hated it, her reply will be: “I knew you would say that, you heartless bruteâ€. And if you liked it, she will say: “ Didn’t I say you will like it?†That, in a nutshell (heh) is female intuition. Sounds like Entrapment to me.

Originally posted by sheherazade: quote: Originally posted by rudy: i have seen women who sleep at nite with their legs pointing to heaven since the nature clock has run out! or have electrodes connected to their abdomen! You have seen them cause u're the one impregnating them(and failing by your own account) or are you a medical practitioner? Or do you dream this stuff like some of us dream of going to work with no clothes on(classic anxiety dream). By far the most interesting contribution to his topic. Rudy, your quote is very descriptive and out right- hella funny!electrodes connected to their abdomen!

Originally posted by rudy: so whats the big deal! spanish dudes always like healthy gals! lool.. do u blame them! aint that why they chase the bulls! come on!! Saxib, You really are from the Bay Area/Cali. Rudy, your 'hyphy' with your comments.

What in the world is Female Intuition? How does it work? Why is always NEGATIVE Intuition?

Originally posted by Naden: How is this decrease in faith quantified? The number of people going to church, subjective reports of believing in a God, donations to religious institutions, number of worship places, etc. How does the good Pope decide that belief is out of fashion and God disregarded? If you want to quantify the 'decrease in faith', just go and count where people visit the most on sundays-churches or the malls? or tally up the ever increasing divorce rates or the ever increasing phenomena of teenage, out of wedlock-pregnancies. Better yet, just hit that remote control and tell me how many channels adhere to the tenants of ANY orthodox faith. Porn, slander by way of media, crime, reality t.v. (no holds barred viewing of people's private lives') is what is rampant. Do the numbers: how many hours a day do you and your friends spend infront of the television and compare that to the number of hours spent on ANYTHING RELIGIION AFFLIATED? You are a good sample population and the same can be said of the kids in burco or capetown or manila etc. Wisdom is the lost-property of the believer; wherever he should find it, he should recover it" (cf. Tirmidhi, lbn Majah). I don't think that at this moment in time, that Christainty is a threat to Islam or anyone. There is a greater threat and it is one that threatens all religions. That is what the Pope is talking about.

Do you think that a salafi can be 'westernized'? Are our ulema often forced to 'square the circle' when it comes to islamic issues to fit the current world view? When we think of a social construct for Somalia, aren't our ideas heavily influenced by 'westerner ideals' such as consitutionialism; liberal freedoms i.e. all is equal;capitalist ventures etc...? Lions do not give birth to wolf cubs, and you are unlikely to pick mangos from a cherry tree.