This is a very beautiful topic that the shiekh touchs upon.

Salaamz, I thought I'd brinkg this topic back up again b/c this effects some of in the work world. The Ulama vary on their opinions (based on Quran, sunnah, shariah, tariqa etc.) This is a very interesting question.

Salaamz, Hey Opinionated (what a pro-liberal Jahal name too pick!) First of all, never Question Allah's words. If you are asking a question with respect to the Quran that you are unclear of, WATCH YOUR TONE!!! Don't ask it as if you, some foolish 20th century prodigy has suddenly found a mistake in the Quran and wants to disprove it and refute it. I don't care if u took 15 courses in Critical Thinking. What does covering your head, necks and bosoms include? If not hair? Let me know. and Yes, even if a women is Bald, she would have to wear Hijab. I love the way that you jumped at the ayat that showed that aged women Stop putting your OPINIONATION before everything else. Muslims don't do that cause they have too much respect for the Deen to put their own OPINIONATION above all else. The whole concept of 'I HAVE A RIGHT TO MY OPINION' is non-islamic b/c if that was the case, then whatever asnine thing that comes out of someones mouth would be deemed Right and above the Word of ALLAH! Don't get it twisted Missy, no I ain't calling u a non-muslim or whatever else that you might be thinking.

Salaamz, This is a very good topic that perhaps most don't deem as important b/c of misconceptions. This topic would gain more responses in the 'ISLAM' forum.

I got 60, so I'm a male feminist can you believe that. :rolleyes: Raaga SOL, HELP ME OUT! Rescuuuue ME!!! http://www.spacefem.com/quiz.shtml Let us know what your score is.

Salaamz, Tony Montana You are missing the point here walaal. She does a come from an Orthodox Muslim Family. Word is that her father has disowned her cause she has become a Lesbian. Also, she has a lot of backing b/c Random House Publishing (A huge publisher in the world of literature) is backing her up and supplying her with a body guard and a bullet proof home. (All this information was in the Toronto Star daily paper) Fi Amanallah

Salaamz, I don't know about other nomads, but I think that SOL has probably the best discussions with respect Islam, Somalis, Arts, Technology etc. People in here exchange view very well and alhamdulillah most of try to stay away from personal accusations and attacks from people. This place at times, is sickingly sweet. Never the less, please don't be discouraged to give and take criticsm from people. Thats what brotherhood/sisterhood entails rubbing and tugging and each other but at the same time pushing our nafus to the side to cooperate with one another. Fi Amanallah

Salaamz, Entrepeneur, walaal and Opinionated the general fiqh rule in Islam has already been reitrated to you already umptin' times. You don't like it b/c it might conflict with your personal interest but the true litmus test for a muslim is when something that the Deen says comes into conflict to what they think or their PERSONAL OPINION, emotions, or what their family is telling them to do and you are forced to chose btwn ISLAM & YOURSELF If u think that the deen agrees with everything that u belief in and value, then WAKE UPPPPPP TO REALITY!!! Many muslims choose to ignore that Smoking is HARAM b/c they like it too much and are too addicted to it. and Yes, if u are driving @200km on a normal higway and their are plenty of cars, u are putting your life on the LINE. IMAN IS ALL ABOUT FIGHTING YOUR OWN DESIRES AND LIKES. IF YOU WHERE NOT TESTED BY ALLAH IN YOUR DEEN AND BASIC VALUES AND BELIEVES, HOW ELSE DO YOU EXPECT TO GET TO JANNA.

You know that pictures can easily be adjusted with a little help from a graphic design software like photoshop. Also, who took that picture b/c it was taken at such an angle as to SHOCK MUSLIMS . The alim's face is not showing. In anycase, in the arab world, they greet people by kissing them on the cheeks and as for a nonmuslim holding the quran, well alot of muslims do give copies of the quran that is in arabic and english to nonmuslims. Its not right, but muslims and some ulema in their zeal for doing 'dawaa' for Islam, do such things. As to blaming a particlar muslim group, sect, school of thought for one members actions, I think thats judging a whole apple orchid by one rotten apple.

Luck said Because you wiLL aLways Love your sibLings no matter what they do or say...i mean you have a bond thats between you...a bond thats going to be hard to break. Salaamz, walal you right about that. But then the question is whats bond is stronger: the bond of Deen or the bond of blood (i.e. family)??? I think that some of you would immediately say Deen but reality in your lives is otherwise. If you and another muslim got into a heated argument or even a fight, what would your reactions be? Would you cut off ties with them because you had a conflict with them? You know in the prophet's (salallahu caliyhe wasilm) time, the sahaba use to get into arguments and conflicts with each other. Why, during the seerah, there was one incident that two the tribes in Madina swore to meet each after fajr to settle a score btwn their tribes via by fighting each other. The rasul (salallahu caliyhe wasilm) when he heard about this, he finished his fajr salat that morning and headed out by himself to the meeting place of this battle btwn the Sahaba. He (salallahu caliyhe wasilm) weeped and cried infront of the sahabah and pleaded to them to drop their old jahiliyah ways and forget about their tribal rivaliries. Allahu Akbir!!! So you see, even the Sahaba didn't always get along, but they put each others differences on the side for the sake of brotherhood which often meant forgiving someone when you didn't want to. When you smack a child for doing something wrong, do you smack them b/c you hate them or you do so b/c you care about them and you don't want them to hurt themselves???

14) We need a Ramadhan so that we could take pride in our deen. 15) We need a Ramadhan so that we can find out that some people that we never thought are muslim, are actually muslim including some of our neighbours. Its only during this month that we find out who's a muslim when we they ask you 'When is Eid?' 16) We need a Ramadhan to feel like full time muslims again. Most of are part-timers, and the attendance at the masajid are proof of this. 17) We need a Ramadhan to have more nomands inshallah posting better threads on SOL forums.

OK, KIDS PM each other We don't need to be over exposed to 'lovey dubby' poetry and your shukansii You two are soooo CORNY!!! lolllll Excuse me while, I clean the puke on my desk. :eek:

Salaamz, all your conversations with your friends have to do with guys/girls, or movies, or guys/girls in movies Its very true. Have you ever been with another muslim and your trying to relate to them, so inshallah you speak to them about mundane things such as work, movies etc. but when you want to relate these things to deen, you find that the other person can't relate their life or anything they like with Islamic Concepts. So guess what ends up happening? You start to talk more and more about movies, girls/boys etc. and less about deen. What you have passion for in your bossoms becomes clearer and clearer as your converse. This is a fine line to distinguish b/c we often lose ourselves in conversations.

Lucky said: I couLdnt praise someone i cant stand every time i saw them---I mean i wiLL try my best not to be Like but...praising someone you cant stand is just not me and i dont think a sincere sis/bro-hood exists in this situation. Walaal, realistically speaking, what we try to convince ourselves and what we do are often at conflict. Sometimes, u can't stand another sister but you are too afraid to tell her why you don't like her, so you try to avoid them or not talk to them. What is really treating one another like brothers and sisters then??? If you have siblings, how do u deal with them. Honesly, speaking you can't tell me that you are just 'lovey dubby' with them no matter what they say or do. Don't you get into agruments and fights with them but still make up after a day or so with them Why is that the case?

Salaamz, so this topic and it home to me, so I thought that it should be revived. *that Quran translation you were given last 'Eid is still sitting on the top shelf of your bookrack I remember that I had a musxaaf/copy of the Quran and I would place it in my room in some distant corner. It became like an anitque, moving it from one house to another. It collected so much dust because I rarely opened it. This went on for years, while I was away at school and my quran reading suffered because of this. the 'inner voice' you hear when you are in complete silence sounds surprisingly similar to the latest hip-hop song you heard This is soooo true! You are influenced by what you surround yourself with.

Salaamz, It is said that if you want to speak to your Lord, read his Words, recite the Quran. The Quran inshallah, will be our greatest witness for us in the Akhira.

Salaamz, You know the concept of Ikhowa/Brotherhood in islam has very much been sentimentalized in modern times and especially by muslims in the west. I'm curious to know what some of the nomads in here define it to be from their own personal understanding. I'm not asking for a paragraph, just your thoughts. I know that some of us (including myself) are some times too damn lazy to write something in the Islam or Camel debate Forum but are quick to post in other forums. Is their sisterhood, if a sister agrees with another sister just for the sake of agreeing? Or how about just praising someone everytime you see them, yet u can't stand being around them for more than an 1hr. tops. NOMADS, PLEASE DO FEEL FREE TO CONTRIBUTE A WORD OR TWO

Salaamz, Welcome Faithful Muslimah to the battle of the Sexes! Oops, I meant SOL! The more that people participate in healthy discussions, inshallah, the more every participating nomad finds about themselves and what they are like. Fi Amanallah

Salaamz, nice to see that the sight is back. I guess the break was definitely needed b/c things were HEATING UP with people and nomads were getting banned left and right. Anyways, alhamdulillah, the sites back and up running. Other somali sites can't compare to this. Yeah, yeah I know, but a little 'butt' kissing does get u places

Salaamz, Go to google.com and type in quotes 'niqab and fiqh' and you should see a list of websites with various opinions. If someone follows a certain madhab like the Hanabli fiqh, then its wajib. But the Ulama inshallah have made many ijtihads/islamic rulings, so as to not make life IMPOSSIBLE for the Muslim. I don't think however that the Jamhur al -ulama/the majority of ulama throughout history, have rule that Niqab is FARD b/c thats not what is practiced throught MOST muslim lands. Fi Amanallah

Salaamz, I just opened a notebook of mine and subhanallah, I opened up a page that had this ayat that I wrote down from Sura Al-Maidah, Sura 5, V. 2 " .... And cooperate with each other in rightousness and piety. But don't help one another in evil and rancour (fighting among each other)"

I agree with Shaka, definitely more THUG GIRLS aka Bully Women in here then men. Some male nomads stopped posting on SOL cause there afraid of backlash. It seems to me, that we can't even have different points of view without fearing getting ate up by 3 or 4 nomads. I don't hate women but keep it up and you gonna have a few brothers not wanting to talk to u or post on SOL at all. We don't come on SOL to start arguin gor personal accusations, so eazzze up. You will have good posts and pleasant replies, if u stop the BULLYING!

Salaamz, Ask yourself this question: Why would someone want to pierce their belly and get a belling ring? People didn't desire it too much 10yrs ago but today, in the Western Hemisphere i.e. America, England, Canada etc. belly piercing has become a fashion and something to be desired. There is a famous hadith in which the rasul (salalluhu caliyhe wasalima) stated that 'Whomever imitates a people is from them/among them/one of them.' If the niyah is to do so b/c its a fad today (if for some other reason such as your Husband to make the marriage life more exciting then thats differenrt) then you need to check your niyah. I'll give u an example of this with young men and braiding hair. A few yrs ago, braiding hair was not in style but since Iverson and the Wu Tang, its become HUGE in the Urban Communities. Now some of us brothers would try to ask the shiekhs about braiding and there was an incident or two that the rasul (salalluhu caliyhe wasalima) had braided his hair (two long strands). So some of us young brothers wanted to justify braiding our hair b/c it did happen in the serra (life of the rasul (salalluhu caliyhe wasalima)). Well imagine braiding your only two corn rolls, that wasn't in fashion so we wanted the iverson style ofcourse. Anyways, what I want to get at is our intentions where wrong b/c we just wanted to braid our hair cause it was in style and it made u look like a 'BAD MAN'.

This was for MEN only. We have heard the females views umptin times!!! You know some nomads in here should check your temperatures before your respond, if u're catching a FEVER then u're behind should not be responding to any posts but should be rushing to the nearest hospital. I think that we (MEN) should not post in topics too that say (FOR WOMEN ONLY). There, I have covered that side.

Salaamz, Dawaco And how can our offsprings relate to the religion, if they can't understand the concepts of our tradition? I agree Our culture compliments our deen and inshallah the more you know your dhaqan, the more you can appreciate certain things and how they relate to your deen. A few yrs back, before I went off to school, I wasn't so welcoming of the whole Somali Culture. Infact, it was embarrassing to me b/c all I have been seeing is a bunch of Losers all my life, who don't inspire to nothing more than collecting welfare checks, driving cabs and going to coffee shops. But Alhamdulillah, the older that I got and coming here on SOL has been very helpful in this, I got a better appreciation for the somali culture and inshallah a better appreciation of the deen. I think that the role of the HUSBAND in the somali families in North America has changed greatly and this has to do largely with their inability to find decent paying jobs that compliment their educational backgrounds. Its very discouraging to see your father who was say a pharmicist or an MBA graduate, driving a cab or working in an assembly line. He can't make enought money to feed the family, so guess what happens, WELFARE kicks in and suddenly there is no real need for the HUSBAND. In the somali culture, extended families where very important so is the concept of Qabil. This was done (to my knowledge) to protect families from outside influences such as MODERNITY and the capitalist life style. When you have aunts and uncles and grandparents around a child, this helps to develop a very well balanced sense of identity for the child. Anyways, We are an Immigrant community living in a lands that are the anti-thesis of what culture and religions where about. When its All about the MIGHTY BUCK, everything else loses its light in peoples eyes.