KKKKKKKKK Qac Qaac, You thought that Nafisa was describing you Man and that she was for real!!! kkkkkkkkk LOL Nafisa, you got some men coming at ya, Hibo, araag waxaa beelowdhey!

Salaamz, seeing how ramadan is about 10days or saw away, and inshallah the Islam Thread will become flooded again with topics and discussions, I wanted to try to make a suggestion for the SOL NOMADS. Something that would help you and I for Ramadan. Something that would make us inshallah open up more with each other and draw us closer. Something that inshallah, will carry with it lots of ajar. But I'm hesistant.....

We can’t just go around living our lives anyway we like, all for the sake of individuality…that’s against everything we stand for as a religion and as a nation. Gaal’s live their lives thinking they have freedom, but that’s totally misleading, no one is free in this world. Some how or another we’re all subjected to some sort of law or enforcement Words of Wisdom..... So don’t delude yourself into thinking that what you do doesn’t affect the next Somali person, because it does, whether you like it or not. I definitely agree

In view of the above (according to this group of scholars), it will be permissible to transplant and donate organs in order to save another person’s life. However, this is subject to certain terms and conditions. What are these terms and conditions? It would ne nice to find out so that inshallah we can progress with the debate.

Salaamz, This is nice article b/c often muslims are often to quick to Judge and through Darts at another muslim individual or group that doesn't conform to their own mentality or way of thinking. Why the Sunnah is so comphrensive and flexible (why else would the Ulama debate for centuries about the Fiqh issues if the rasul (salallahu caliyhe wasilm did things in one particular way all the time and no other way). I know that with certain muslim groups in the muslim world, they spent a great deal of their energy trying to call other Muslim groups 'Kufar' and fighting them to death. Sometimes I think that some muslims want another version of Christanity cause in the Protestant churches they are sooo divided and they call each other names etc. The Christian Church is divided in every what way. Fi Amanallah

clergies in Iran using culture/islam to suppress not only women but the human rights fo the country, while they were basking in an orgy of marrying 14 yr old gals and living large!!!... By Rudy Rudy exactly how did you come up with the Conclusion and why??? You don't like the Ulama for what particular reason. They where basking in an 'ORGY' well, how did you know that Rudy unless you where a participant in the 'ORGY', cause u seem to know the specific age of the girls??? You got a problem with the Ulama, why is that? Is b/c they don't think that Religion is a 'private affair' like your counterparts in Hollywood who are all 'SPIRITUAL' people. Hadith: 'WHO EVER HONORS THE ULAMA HAS HONORED ME (THE RASUL salallahu caliyhe wasilm) well by the logic of this hadith, then you are you know what (FILL IN THE BLANKS NOMADS!) as a result of the above statement that u made. and in another hadith "THE ULAMA ARE THE INHERTERS OF THE PROPHETS' Fi Amanallah

Define by what you mean by PLURALISM????

Salaamz, You know mashallah its real nice that we are having a healthy debate about things that are real close and dear to us. "They are those wo, If we establish them in the Land, establish Regular Prayer and give Regular Charity, enjoin The Right and forbid the Wrong. With Allah rests the end of all affairs" Surta Al-Hajj, v. 41 "Say: Not equal are things that are Bad and things that are Good, even though The abundance of the bad May Dazzle thee; So fear Allah, O'ye that Understand that Ye may prosper" Sura Al-Ma'idah, v. 100 5. HABITS >>> h)REALIZATION 4. ACTIONS >>> g) ACTION 3. ATTITUDES >>> f) WILL 2. VALUES >>> e)DESIRE 1. BELIEFS >>> d)THINKING >>>c)OPINION >>>b)IMAGINATION >>>a)SENSATION I think that many muslims sense things differently and in turn IMAGINE things in light of how they sense something. This Imagination then is set forth in their Opinionation. Human Rights and Islam? Some people at the Tune of the word Human Rights, begin to Imagine things are pleasant to them and Social Justice and then equate it with the aim of ISLAM. Why do we IMAGINE this? Well, you know what you BELIEF in, often determines your set of VALUES are. So then the question is WHAT DO YOU VALUE? Cause this forms your ATTITUDE about a particular subject? E.G. Say Jammac beliefs in that All Somalis belong as one Country. Well what is he valueing here? Unity, Uniformity, Pride, Family etc. This intern develops his ATTITUDES towards any topic related to Somaliland having a right to exist, Puntland etc. Jamaac SENSES and IMAGINES things to be ONE WAY, and this affects his OPINIONS AND THINKING. So when you tell him about the next Somaliland elections, he won't care b/c Jamaac DESIRES that SOMALI be one LAND. I don't know if u catch my drift here.... But Jamaac, would DEBATE with any other Faraax or Xalimo who for Puntland or Somaliland etc. cause to begin with he doesn't BELIEVE and VALUE what the those people for Somaliland or Puntiland might BELIEVE in and VALUE such as Ancestary, Trust, Tribalism, etc. Well what does this have to do with this Nobel Prize Winner? Well every muslim/muslilmah should ask themselves this what do they BELIEVE in and VALUE??? Hadith: "There is no IMAN without ACTION and their is NO ACTION with IMAN' A person always does what they BELIEF in. When someone is Arguing for HUMAN RIGHTS in an Islamic State/Muslim Land what is there reasoning behind this? What are they Sensing and Imagining? What do they Value? HUMANITY or THE DIVINE If HUMANITY, then they would be against what Allah and his rasul (salallahu caliyhe wasilm )sent down. Trying to protest against an ISLAMIC STATE and looking for help from the NONMUSLIMS is tantamount to Treason. Why if Allah says looks down upon such people (Read Conquests post and Sura Al-imran, v. 20-30 (Roughly), then on what BASIS is anyone to Congratulate such a person. "Whoever doesn't judge/rule by what Allah has sent they are the Transgressors/Wrongdoers " "Whoever doesn't judge/rule by what Allah has sent they are the Disbelievers " "Whoever doesn't judge/rule by what Allah has sent they are the Corrupt/Fasqeen " What are you Valuing then??? You know if Islam was for HUMAN RIGHTS, then MEN AND WOMEN would be EQUAL, read Sura Al-Nisa and other ayats where a women's witness is less then that of a Man etc. In Islam there is SLAVERY, you can have captives/slaves during War and you know what the female slaves can be used for Copulation/Sex. Read the Shariah and Islamic History (Seerah/Life of the rasul (salallahu caliyhe wasilm) and you will know this. Divine Rights are those that have been given in the Quran and Sunnah and they are GREATER then HUMAN RIGHTS. When you say HUMAN RIGHTS, you are saying that you are for HUMANITY and not RELIGION/REVELATION cause Religion never came to create/develop HUMAN RIGHTS. It came to remind ManKind that they where created for the DIVINE---ALLAH!!! Why this concept of HUMAN RIGHTS is a new phenonmen often used against Muslim Lands. The Americans didn't Use that Terminology when they were enslaving the Blacks and telling them to sit in the back of the bus. They used Civil Rights and do so in their country but when it comes to Muslim Lands, the Term Human Rights is "DEEMED" the appropriate Term. REALLY AND TRUELLY, no amount of ayats, hadiths and arguments are gonna win over a person. Cause it is ALLAH that guids souls and gives them VISION. So some nomads might understand what I am saying and others will Disagree but thats b/c we all see with Different Lenses as Nur Said in one of his posts. Fi Amanallah

Salaamz, then Taking from Ibn Baaz's fatwa, the same logic would apply in the case of Having Bank Accounts. In the West, they are pretty hard not to have. e.g Landlord wants Income proof, Work wants bank info. to give your direct deposit (Company is too large to give personal checks) etc. Also, if this the logic being used, then you can't live in building or rent a home at all b/c everything in Western Society is erect on RIBA. How can muslims avoid this? This came to me the other day when after reading Rahima's post.

Salaamz, With that: wouldn't going to school and majoring in lets say medicine be a form of cibaadah if you do it with the intention( niyaah) of helping your fellow muslim and to help relieve the pain and suffering of this ummah? Ok but really and truelly speaking do we ever have that PURE INTENTION to do something XALATAN fi Sibilallah/For the Deen. I mean that is a great Sacrfice, to go and do post secondary education for 10+ yrs and rack up $100,000+ in Loans for the DEEN, all with the Intention of helping Muslims who don't care about you and won't pay you to get rid of your debt. Why, you can also help the DEEN as a Care Taker or "WORSE YET" as a FULL TIME HOME ENGINEER? We all have mixed intentions why if we all had pure intentions then we wouldn't want anything of this world and we wouldn't even want JANNAH, we'd just worship Allah just b/c HE IS ALLAH and wouldn't care less about going to JANNA or NOT. Intentions have to checked over and over again, all the time. I had to go through this when I was in school and I made Du'as Asking ALLAH to purify my Niyah cause if my niyah was for something else and I was fooling myself, then I would be putting myself in Danger and hampering my Akhirah. .................................... You at the Heart of the Matter is FEMALE INSECURITY and b/c many sisters have grown up in a Single family home in the West, they really don't trust men to be the SOLE Provider cause they have seen tooo many men in their lives take off on their families and wives and they don't want to become a Single Mother on Welfare. They want a career just incase Farax gets fed up with her tomorrow and decided to leave her. But inshallah, if you have IMAN and make du'a, Allah will give you what your SOUL DESERVES, just put your TRUST IN HIM (not an easy thing to do by any measure!!!)

Salaamz, One alim once told me "If you conquer a people's MINDS, you have truely Conquered them" This is definitely what the West has done to Muslims, thats why its so easy to come and rape the muslims of their wealth and land and DIGNITY, b/c the avg. Muslim thinks just like them and waves their FLAG of FREEDOM, DEMOCRACY AND HUMAN RIGHTS. Don't you know walaalayal, that the true battle is for the HEARTS & MINDS of the MUSLIMS, and in that we are LOSSSING sooo badly.... and you know when I hear certain nomads defending these 'NONISLAMIC VALUES' and saying that DEEN and ALMOST everything else go together, well my heart just sinks in disappointment Some of you are sooo fooled that you don't know that you are a pawn for them and when someone tells you that you are, you would be quick to brandish your swords at another muslim for making such "insulting statements (to your EGO'S)" Its really great that we get at these issues cause then we see what is in the minds and hearts of most nomads. I was trying to find some ayats and hadiths but you know what as Allah said it in Sura Al-Anam, v. 25 ".....IF THEY SAW EVERY ONE OF THE SIGNS, THEY WILL NOT BELIEVE IN THEM..." I think that every muslim should question themselves everyday about their ISLAM cause if you're not checking yourself and what is in your HEART as Allah says in the Quran (I think that its in sura Al-Hajr),that A man doesn't have TWO hearts meaning your HEART can only be with one thing-EITHER with ALLAH or YOUR OWN SELF, EITHER with Islam or MODERNITY/LIBERALISM etc.

Salaamz, I'm not the least suprise FS that you give me that response b/c I have the lines umptin' times. Reality is most muslims in the West, tend to DECONSTRUCT ISLAM and just view that the their choice of LIFESTYLE will not affect their relationship with ALLAH. Its a very NAIVE thing to do so and you know, most of us do fool our selfs over and over again cause we have alot of MIXED INTENTIONS in which if we really and truely ask ourselves, Allah and his rasul (salallahu caliyhe wasil) are put in the bottom of the list of Priorities. Cause if they were at the TOP of your LIST in our lives, then Inshallah what type of Major to persue and what type of Occupation or whether to live in an apartment or house, would be very relevant to us and we would think LONG AND HARD as to how each move in our lives would affect our relationship with Allah and his Rasul (salallahu caliyhe waslim). But the reality shows us a very different picture!!! When persuing anything in ourlives that RELATIONSHIP btwn YOURSELF and ALLAH and His Rasul (salallahu caliyhe waslim) should be looked at. Not an easy thing to do b/c it really constricts you in many ways, but after all, ISLAM is not their to Liberate the "MINDS' but to liberate 'SOULS' through Constricting the NAFS. Deen is their to prepare ALL OF US for our meeting with ALLAH. I don't know about you but the BOSS UPSTAIRS, has many demands and few vacances at his Condo. in Janna. So competition is real tough cause we got 1400yrs worth of muslims and the other ummahs before them to compete with.

FS, walaal, it applies to both genders-Raaga eyo Duumarka

Salaamz, I just want to ask a question to b/c many Xalimoos burst the cry of 'Freedom and Liberation' when they say that they have a 'right to an education' and that Islam supports this. Well, let me ask you this, What kind of Education does Islam support in the first place? What is your understanding of what is Good Education v. Bad Education? According to my understanding from what the ulama like Ibn Al-attas, Ghazzali, Sayuti etc., that the Islamic Education is any knowldge that links back forth Allah>>>>>Mankind & Mankind>>>>>Allah That relationship should always be reitrated b/c the Thesis of the Quran is that "WE COME FROM ALLAH AND TO HIM WE BELONG' Well if thats the case then, what does 4yrs at a Univ. studying Engineering have to do with Islam? If what you are studying is not being related to this relationship of Man to ALLAH. You are persuing Secular Education that Seperates Religion and from Knowledge Explicitly and Implicitly. If for example you are spending all time stuyding a particular field, but in reality it is changing who you and your way of lifestyle and hampering your DEEN i.e. No time for Salat, only NonMuslims around you 24hrs a day etc. Then do you still thing that the Education you are seeking is a good for thing? If Yes, why is it Good cause in Islam Good is in relation to how something draws your closer or further from Allah. ................... On another note, let me give you a short scenario.... Say a Xalimoo goes and persues her Education and finishs her 4yrs. Now unless she has a father in Arabia, she's probably racking up alot of money interms of loans for her schooling. So lets say on the conservative said (and this is being conservative), she graduates school with a $10,000 LOAN on her plate. She's 23/24 now, so she wants to get rid of that loan, so she starts to work right after she graduates but she also has to help out the family with whatever money she makes, so doesn't have enough money to pay off that loan as quickly as she wanted to and to add to this, she goes back to slow to get more education to get a bettr job. So she gets another loan for her new courses. Well a few yrs later, she's 25-26 and now she has her Masters, but say min. $15, 000 debt (excluding the monthly interest charges). Now she has gotten a nice job, but it will take her a few yrs to pay off her loan. So 4yrs later, at the age of 30yrs old, she will have gotten rid of her debt. So she's 30yrs old now and looking for a Hubby. Do you think that many money will be interested in her, cause she's 30yrs old now. Not the same as she was say 10yrs ago? She could of tried to get married when she had her loan at a younger age but a Xalimo with a debt isn't tooo attractive to persue for marriage. Ask any muslim man and he will agree with me. Two people with huge Student Loans getting married forces both individuals to Work right off the but and this is where the problem lies. You sisters that think that Getting a Career and having a Family is the Ideal Muslim Family should really check be honest with yourselves. For 1400yrs, that wasn't the model so why is this model for a family where 'Dual INCOME' families are the Ideal sooo much better???

so Excuse me for having doubts about HUMAN ERROR! My faith is in GOD..the unseen..not scholars who came centuries after! by OPINIONATED Sis, by making such a statement its tantamount to saying that you are WISER then the ULAMA who makeup the Collective Rulings that are woven in the Shariah/Fiqh etc. for the past oh, 1400yrs. Well Allahu Akbir! What an arrogant statement to question the Hikma of the Ulama and say that you can just delve into an ayat of Quran or Hadith and make your own Ijtihad/Ruling. I think that I am hitting the nail right on the wall, b/c I think that you want an Islam that Caters to YOUR PERSONAL likes and dislikes, why else would you reject the Ulama, 1400 yrs of Scholarishp and say that your own Personal Judgements are more substantive. Is it a suprise that such thoughts spring from someone what calls herself "OPINIONATED"??? Look, yes there are many interpretations of the Quran and Hadith and Islamic Rulings but if some new goon comes along today and says, look the Quran doesn't say anything about Hair if u look at the arabic wording....so conclusion is women don't need to cover their hair and to follow that Sunnah regarding this matter is too complicated cause there are sooo many interpretations or that we don't have to pay Zakat anymore cause its too complicated a thing to calculate and who's to collect it and use it in the West....... Well my response to that particular NEWBY, is that there is 1400yrs of Scholariship that they have to combat beofr they can conjure up something new into the Shariah and trust me, the Ulama have scrutunized certain topics to the nth degree. You can't just pick and chose Islam according to your own Personal Will and Knowldge, cause if that was the case, then you would be saying that you are Greater then the Anibya, cause they had to be TAUGHT and learn from others such as the Angels etc. b/c no man/women is COMPLETE on to themsleves. Your line of thinking is soooo liberal and secular, that it really doesn't shock me. Another point to make, You don't have a RIGHT to ask any and all questions in any and all mannerisms that you wish. Why if that was the case, then there would be no need for ADAB in Islam and no need to respect anybody or anything b/c after all you do have a RIGHT to ask anything. By the way, where does that RIGHT come from? Go to Somalia or the Muslim World and yell out that crab "I HAVE A RIGHT TO ASK THIS AND THAT" and watch what happens to you. Its like asking Allah then "WHY DO I HAVE TO WORSHIP YOU, LORD" and even though Allah says that Mankind was created for that purpose-To Worship Allah, you ignore that and say "Thats not enough, I have a right to ask and a right to an answer and if I'm not satisfied, then I can make my own deductive reasoning and have a say as to whether not I still want to be a Muslim or Not" Try that "I have a RIGHT to ask" line with your mother, does she embrace you with a Hug when you say that or get angry at you?

LMAO!!! African, walaal I can't stop laughing and smiling about how you EXPOSED Samuriwarrion and SmithNwestern as his "Back up Singer". LOLLLLL!!! These debates are really interesting and much more uniform and enlongated (lengthier) then debates in the other forums. I'm always catching Somali History/Politics from level 101-Masters level in here.

There is no difference between Islam and human rights said by Somalien How can I say this less bluntly- WRONG, WRONG, WRONG! What does Islam have to do with Human Rights? By manking such a statement, then you are saying that homosexuals have right to exist in society, that fornication is Normal and that people who engage in them, should not be looked down upon or punished, or that Men and Women are Equal, Muslim and NonMuslim shold be treated the same b/c they are both Humans? etc.... Divine Rights in Islam Supercedes/are greater then Human Rights . The Shariah is their to curb such notions of LIBERALISM wherein EVERYTHING is PERMISSIBLE as long as it can be rationalised and argued and doesn't conflict with the ECONOMY!!! If human rights and Islam went hand in hand, then the Shariah would be liberal and wouldn't impose NonMuslims in a Muslim State to pay Jaziah (a tax for nonmuslims that live in an Islamic State such as present day Iran (or what is left of it) ). If human rights and Islam went hand in hand, then you would not need to go wear Hijab b/c Hijab makes you look oppressed (especially in 30+ Celsuis weather in places like Texas or Cali. etc.). If human rights and Islam went hand in hand, then we could say that since so and so is injured or sick, that they don't have to pray Salat, cause they are 'Disabled'. But you know in Shariah, as long as you are sane and awake, you have to perform salat even if its moving hands and reading the quran if you are paralyzed. ............... MMA, the diff. in that picture is that she had to comply with Shariah Law when she was in Iran, but in France she was following another rule 'Do as the FRENCH do'. The questions is what is she really for ISLAM or LIBERALISM (which is what the WEST aspires to aka Believing and doing whatever u like no matter what the consquences, provided they can tax you on it!) Really and truely, that is what all of us should ask ourselves each day, if you don't see anything wrong with this picture of the West Glorifying an Iranian Women for "HUMAN RIGHTS" when she comes from a muslim land, well then something is wrong with you, cause you don't see the difference in values. Let me put it this way, if you like to eat a Bagel and cheese or anjeero and suubag every morning and you don't think that it is not good for you and that is doesn't make u gain wait, then you would be fooling yourself and harming yourself-Right? I think that we can all agree on that, well in this othercase, it has nothing to do with your body but with your mind and soul. You really don't how much harm is being done to you when you are listening to those lectures with your prof., or watching "The Wedding Planner feat. J.LO". You have to feel Uncomfortable in this society, to actually become conscious of these things. THE MOMENT THAT A MUSLIM SAYS THAT THE NONMUSLIMS REALLY LIKE MUSLIMS, IS WHEN THEY ARE FOOLED AND DEFEATD. Remember after 9/11, well where u as a muslim still loved and adored by most of your neighbours??? ................ Bulo, Walaal, I think that you said it all. Jazakallah Khayr, cause when I see other muslims that can look through the eyes of the Shaytans and see what they are doing, it gives me hope and inspiration. ALLAHU-AKBIR!!!

Okay, now I know whom I need to steer clear from.

Salaamz, Bee/Butulo walaal, you're getting personal now with me and inshallah, thats where I withdraw the line and lose interest. I don't mind personal attacks as much as I dislike people who question the Quran and Sunnah in a negative matter. You're example of following the Sunnah illustrations of Salat was real nice and inshallah I am not trying to highlight on your negatives. However, You did DEFEND OPINIONATED, as if there is some Honor defending in someone who is very rude to the Deen and the fact that you don't see anything wrong with that is definitely a PROBLEM. You don't ask questions for the sake of trying to justify your stance on an issue, cause that line of questioning is called Leading Questions and Rhetoricals. I posted the ayat already, so I suggest you read it carefully before you blast me. I think at the heart of the matter is people's nafus and what they really desire. Is it Allah or Themselves? I know that 99% of you will say, well thats Easy, it ALLAH. But you know in most people's posts in here, when they don't like something in the Deen that someone posts, they question that brother/sister and their authority to present that certain argument (even when there is ayats, hadiths etc. quoted).......amd you know if you are honest with yourself, that you put yourself manytimes everyday before Allah. I don't have a personal problem with you, Bee/Butulo but if you have issues with me, you can PM me and we can talk, inshallah. I am pretty reasonable, in most cases. Fi Amanallah

Salaamz, Just a note to add on how lobbyists control the Governor of California. Arnold gets backing from Hollywood as long as he puts forth a bill that prohibits or puts a tax on movies made outside of the U.S. i.e. In Canada Also, I found out that WARREN BUFFET (1ST/2ND RICHEST MAN IN THE WORLD) and Financial Wizard is Arnold's Chief Financial Advisor. Do you want this could mean when people like this are running a state? EVERTHYING AND EVERYONE WILL HAVE THEIR PRICE AND BE SOLD. Arnold is just a puppet that lobbyists will use to their FULL ADVANTAGE!!! THIS IS DEMOCRACY, where Popularity is the THEME. Wherein the JUST RULER is to be determined by their POPULARITY. Those foolish somalians (and yes they are foolish, who belch out that DEMOCRACY for SOMALIANS is the best thing and that SOMALILAND is the ONLY REAL Democracy in Africa) should inshallah take this as a lesson.

Salaamz, I STRONGLY DISAGREE!!! WHY U ASK???? Because then your brothers and sisters who started this thread, are making Islam/the Deen look like something that is to be De-constructed and seperate from our thoughts and way of behaving and living. In other words, if u tell nomads to stop talking about the deen and discussing it b/c they don't have a stamp from AL-Azhar or Medina University etc. (as if Alim/Knowledge and Hikma/Wisdom where limited to institutions , then you are basically SECULARIZING the DEEN. Which is what they teach you at Public Schools and the workplace and unfortunately sometimes in the home. "Leave Islam to the Professionals" I can understand inshallah that your niyah might be for the right thing, but what your suggesting is very dangerous cause you are then Secularizing the Deen and seperating it from our thinking, our lives and behaviours. [/i] If we were to never discuss anything about the Deen and where discouraged to do so, then what do we all have most in common, after Islam. Just Nationality and that bond is what holds the Nonmuslims together and not the Muslims, and to add, just look at the other forums and what luducrious, circular arguments some nomads get into. Inshallah, the real reason why I come to SOL and why I came to SOL in the first place is because of the discussions in the ISLAM FORUM. Walaalyaal, please don't SECULARIZE THE DEEN. Its like saying don't discuss Islam when you come to a masjid because you are not Knowledgable. If you tell people this at the masjid, I can tell you that the likely hood of them wanting to come back to the masjid just dropped dramatically. Cause you are trying to seperate Islam from their Life and way of thinking. Fi Amanallah

Salaamz, Bee/Butulo I was referring to the name/title of 'Opinionated' as reeking of Ignorance and it is. Have you seen the one who takes his sensual gratification/self opinionation/ own impluses as his Lord. Could you be a disposer of affairs to him Or thinkest thou that most of them listen or understand? They are only like cattle; Nay, they are worse astray in Path Sura Al-Furqan, Ayat 43 So I'm not looking down upon anyone here for personal reasons such as insults, personal questions, character assassinations etc. When I speak inshallah with passion about the deen and defending it, I do so b/c inshallah the aim for me in this world is to put Allah before myself, family, friends, co-workers etc. and if that means making people angry at me or rebuke me, so be it! The rasul (salallahu caliyhe wasalim), the anibya, the sahaba, the ulama and awliya etc. the believers have always been attacked by others when they spoke the truth. So Bee/Butulo, Opinionated and who ever else wants to defend what is wrong and defend people that insult Allah and His rasul (salallhu caliyhe wasalim) then me and you are gonna bump heads.

Opinionated, A blind follower? Wake up and Smell REALITY, Yeah it doesn't smell so nice. To have IMAN means to follow something even though you have not been shown of it. When Allah says that the Believers are promised Janna and shiiiit is falling down on my head, I don't have any guarantees that there is this place called JANNAH. So why keep following Blindly.......... cause my IMAN/Faith tells me to do so and IMAN is not something that can be rationalized at all!!! It is Supra-rational b/c it involves Loving Allah who is indiscriminate and who is HIDDEN from US. So Opinionated (You're name reeks IGNORANCE!) I don't like your line of questioning b/c you want to use Deductive Reasoning to prove other nomads that the Deen is very much how you want it to be and that Hijab doesn't have anything to do with Hair. That is why your line of questioning needs to be put on Halt-DEAD END! If in the Muslim Ummah we were to allow people to OPINIONATE OPENLY and without RESTAIRANT and ADAB, then their would be no need for the QURAN or Sunnah cause thats not what theY showed. Arguing with you won't prove anything, but standing for the DEEN to protect it against people who want to question it for their own personal ends, is a duty of any Muslim who Loves Allah and his rasul (salallahu caliyhe wasilm)

Darman, saxib I am just stating something that needs to be said but that SOL Nomands are sooo damn afraid to be REAL! To say things without having to be afraid of a backlash from other nomads. If you read the tone of certain nomads in here, you would understand what I am saying and inshallah why I wrote my post. Truth has no friends. So to be true to myself and Allah, when someone is trying to mock the deen and question the Quran, then I will let them know. I will be HARSH when it is appropriate and inshallah Allah knows my niyah and will reward me accordingly, inshallah. Remember, Darman you posted that thread about Loving for the Sake of Allah and Hating for the Sake of Allah.

This is an excellent topic that I back bring back from the archives cause there are many muslims who in their love for someone else decide to some how deconstruct the deen to confrom with their LOVE and Sentiments. [/We all do it one way or the other (trying to fit the deen into our likes and dislikes)