^^^ we have been hearing the same thing for 23 years. Still nothing. Somaliland last nail in the coffin. They will kill each other. They have nothing up their hence why they will come back. They need us. Still nothing. It pains you doesn't it odey. That we created Somalinimo and we destroyed it. The reason why you want Somaliland to the extent that's all you talk about even though your country is in ruins. Is because of the reality that without Somaliland you are nothing. You can't think for yourself. You can't govern yourself. You can't even maintain peace by yourselves. I am sure odey you will be long dead, your body dissolved and bones turned into dust before any Somalian state can emerge in the south. Somaliland on the other hand is gone. You have to accept the reality. In terms of little steps. We believe in the same concept as you just stated like the hypocrite you are. Only our small steps is to get away from you fake nationalists. 23 years on and look at us. You jahiil.

New York Times... Indian Muslims Lose Hope in National Secular Party Many Muslim voters of Maharashtra State supported a new sectarian political force in October. DIVYAKANT SOLANKI / EUROPEAN PRESSPHOTO AGENCY By NEHA THIRANI BAGRI NOVEMBER 8, 2014 MUMBAI, India — When he set out on a muggy morning in mid-October to vote in the Maharashtra State legislative elections, Zubair Azmi intended to cast his ballot, as usual, for the Indian National Congress, the party that has promised for years to protect Muslims like him. But as he walked the streets of Byculla, a once-affluent South Mumbai neighborhood fallen on tougher times, Mr. Azmi sensed a shift in the tide. At every street corner, young Muslim men were beseeching passers-by to back a new political force in the state: the All India Majlis-e-Ittehadul Muslimeen, known as the M.I.M. And kites, the party’s symbol, seemed to be everywhere. “Young men in Byculla were speaking in one voice,” said Mr. Azmi, who heads a group promoting Urdu language and culture. He was already disenchanted with Congress, whose local leaders paid little attention to the neighborhood or its people. By the time he got to his polling place, he said, he had changed his mind, and voted for the M.I.M. With a stridently right-wing Hindu nationalist group, the Bharatiya Janata Party, sweeping to victory after winning elections across India, the delicate balance between the country’s religious and ethnic minorities, and especially its Muslims, and the majority Hindu population is shifting. Their faith in the avowedly secular Congress party, which ruled India for decades, is dwindling, and the emergence of a strong Muslim party in Maharashtra suggests a possible consequence. The Bharatiya Janata Party, also known as B.J.P., leadership’s penchant for making provocative remarks and stoking communal tensions, combined with the trend away from Congress is leaving Indian politics more polarized on sectarian lines, as the election results in Maharashtra illustrated. The B.J.P. won overall, but M.I.M., making its first foray into the state with a field of mostly novice candidates, won two seats, including Byculla, whose population is 40 percent Muslim. Waris Pathan, a criminal defense lawyer who grew up in the neighborhood, decided to join the party and be its candidate the day before the deadline for nominations. Despite his inexperience, after just 12 days of campaigning he managed to beat the Congress incumbent, Madhu Chavan, in a close race. “The so-called secular parties took the votes of Muslim people, but they never did anything for their betterment,” Mr. Pathan said in an interview in his South Mumbai office. “We want to be their voice in the assembly.” The party he joined has its roots in an organization begun in the 1920s to safeguard Muslim interests in Hyderabad, a princely state that had a mainly Hindu population but, in those days, a Muslim prince and ruling class. The group became a political party in 1959, and its leaders these days are known for practicing an aggressive brand of communal politics, just as some B.J.P. leaders are. Until now, the party’s influence was confined to its home state Andhra Pradesh, while Muslims in most parts of the country pegged their hopes to the Congress. Akbaruddin Owaisi, a party leader and fiery orator known for his vitriolic speeches, has been charged several times with hate speech over remarks denigrating Hindu gods and inciting violence. He was arrested last year on charges of inciting communal enmity, sedition and criminal conspiracy for speeches he made in Andhra Pradesh, where he was quoted as saying that India’s Muslims “can take care of” the country’s Hindu majority “if the police stay away for 15 minutes.” In a speech in Mumbai before the election, he accused Hindus of similar sentiments: “They want to finish off Muslims, and end secularism,” he said, according to The Indian Express. His speeches, posted on YouTube, were very popular in Byculla before the election. “The spirits of the Muslim youth were very diminished” after Narendra Modi led the B.J.P. to national victory and became prime minister in May, said Mr. Azmi, the Byculla resident. “His speeches reflected what was going on in their minds and gave them hope.” Voters in the neighborhood were ready for the message after complaining for years about neglect by the Congress’s political establishment. “People were angry,” said Mohammad Zahid Khan, 50, who lives in Byculla and runs a perfume store. “In the last 15 years, the Congress has not done anything.” He added that the incumbent, Mr. Chavan, would have won “if they had taken even a little care of the Muslims of this area.” Most voters felt that no other secular party had a chance of winning, Mr. Khan said, and they did not want to waste their vote, so they turned to sectarian parties. Many felt that the rise of the B.J.P. had caused Muslims to feel threatened. “We are insulted and humiliated,” said Imran Khan, a kite seller who lives in Byculla. “The insecurity, the fearmongering, is growing. We need to make our voice heard.” Muslims make up about 13 percent of the national population, but won only 4 percent of the seats in the new Parliament, the smallest share since Indian independence. Analysts said that in recent times, mainstream political parties have been putting fewer minority candidates on their tickets because of concerns that they will not be able to win, producing alienation. “When a minority community withdraws from the broad secular parties and decides to go it alone, that is an unhealthy sign for democracy on the whole,” said Eswaran Sridharan, a political scientist and the academic director of the University of Pennsylvania Institute for the Advanced Study of India in New Delhi. “It signals that a significant section of society is feeling excluded from political representation.” Though M.I.M. represents only a small slice of India’s Muslims so far, “it is part of a larger trend of greater assertiveness of religious identity in public life in India,” said Rochana Bajpai, senior lecturer in politics at the School of Oriental and African Studies in London. “Its rise suggests that there is an urgent need to rebuild Indian models of secularism and multiculturalism.” Adnan Farooqui, an assistant professor of political science at Jamia Millia Islamia, a New Delhi university, said M.I.M.’s agenda “is reactionary at its core,” and he compared the group with right-wing Hindu parties that have practiced violent communal politics for years. “It promises to deliver, as far any physical threat to the community is concerned, much like the Shiva Sena,” Mr. Farooqui said. However, Mr. Pathan, the newly elected M.I.M. legislator, insisted that his party’s ideology was wholly secular and that its agenda was the welfare of all minorities, not just Muslims. He said his goals were to reopen shuttered schools, provide medical facilities to the needy and provide legal aid to the many young Muslim men who have been detained without trial in terrorism-related cases. “We are not against any community, but we are certainly against the ideology of certain communal parties,” Mr. Pathan said, his voice soft but strained. “If anybody voices communal sentiments against any minority, we are not going to take it lightly. We are replying. That does not make us communal — we are just defending ourselves.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGmJTdJm-OY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ofVLCTUHa8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZQRXgCGAKA Is growing fast.... Muslims have given up on the Secular parties. India is becoming a more sectarian country. Divided along religious lines.

Have you ever heard the term clutching at straws. These fake nationalists will throw a party if one mp says something to their advantage. They don't realise that regardless of what this one mp says millions have already decided their own futures. So keep partying odey because one mp said something hahaha....keep believing that a people who are better off without you will magically return. Keep trying to make yourself feel better. As they say whatever helps you sleep at night. Fake nationalist logic is indeed very very stupid.

Salute to our forefathers whose sole aim was not tribal or for money. All they wanted was a unified Somali territory not two but five. For Somalinimo. Islamnimo and to fight Ethiopia and the swihilis and take back the land. Little did they know these fake so called nationalist didn't care about those ideals and lost everything. Only death and tribalism remain from their legacy. Look at their offspring today still fighting over a dead carcus. How ironic. Allah akbar indeed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tPiomzX8po

After seeing the light and seeing what these fake nationalists are about. Professor samatar a real Somalian nationalist for over 30 years today argues. Fake nationalists. Hahaha. Losers walahi.

Even the most staunch somali nationalists. Genuine Somalian nationalists not fake like you have come home and given up on you fake so called nationalists. Because they have seen what you are about. So give us a break. It's a lost cause you fake somali nationalists are fighting. A lost cause indeed.

^^^ Odey are you feeling alright. You just posted the same thing three times. Is it because you now realise that everything the kacaan tought you is a lie. You changed the debate by inserting kacaan fake history. So I have to correct an incorrect person. After changing the topic you now argue that we are trying to change it. More nonsense from our friends down south. So my brainwashed friend remember the British footsoldeirs according to the British were the people mentioned above. Duriyada fought and died like men. While you gave away your womenfolk to the British and then you tried to re-create history. Proven wrong and you get nervous and post 3 times about a different topic. The jahiil nature coming out. As for recognition. That's what the jahiil mentality will never understand. Let me explain it better to you because I don't have time to draw you a picture. Everything we have we fought for and died for. Nothing was given to us we took it by force. SOMALILAND would rather stay an unrecognised country for a thousand years then share a country with jahiil like yourself who fake history, motivated by poison and nonsense. Promote the rape of their own women and are subservient to the lowest forces on this earth. You people have no shame. No honour. No balls. No decency. No ability. No nothing. Hence why you are cursed. Because God sees the poison in your hearts. So do carry on Odey and cry yourself to sleep. If you oppose us come and fight us. If not then be content with obeying the orders of general Akuna matata. While he takes malister sister behind a bush. While he claps in support thinking this mercanery is going to give him what he couldn't achieve for himself in 23 years with the exception of the islamic courts union.

This is how the British described their soldiers or levies. The kacaan and our odeey argue it was all duriyada boot lickers. 1-Tribal Horse, recruited from sections of the Las canod folk, Hy, and Minority tribes, and No. IV, Awdali Horse, recruited about entirely from Awdal men. The strength of each corps was 600 horsemen, 550 horses or mules, and 50 foot levies. Each man was supplied with a rifle, bandolier, blanket, saddle, water-bottle, and one horse or mule. A red tobe* was also issued as a distinguishing badge. The term of enlistment was for three months from the date of commencement of the operations. Pay was at the rate of 30 rs. for headmen, and 15 rs.for others, per month. After the battle of Jidbalj, both corps were amalgamated and called the Tribal Horse, their combined strength being reduced to 750 men. Of these, 250 picked men were taken for operations with the Mounted Troops, the remaining 5OO returned to Ain Abo and Eil Dab for raiding parties.). Page 419

You just contradicted yourself. So now the dervish movement consisted of every clan. So in one paragraph it went from a tribal movement of easterners to now consisting of everyone. Hahaha haha.... Kacaan history is mental damage walahi. The dervishes movement was created out of the dariqa movement in burco by landers. They constituted 4 out of the five top positions and we're the majority of the movement and consisted of a large number of the foot soldiers. That is well documented in the British intelligence papers. So now you are claiming duriyada were the boot lickers. Something the kacaan thought you as well. Saxib the sources show. That the greatest support for the British came from the Las canod folk in fact they supported the British so much he created the camel Corp to save them from the dervishes. The famous corfield they sing about day and night died saving them. Read carefully my kacaan mentally brainwashed friend.

While we were fighting to free the Somali people alongside cowards like Abdullah hassan who were subsequently given all the credit by kacaan even though he died a cowards death. The hag clans in the south were being used as human bridges by the Italians, while the Bari clan were busy giving their daughters away to the British. Not my words the words of the British regarding his feelings towards Amina Boqor Mohammed Boqor Osman: “Amina herself broke the spell by whispering, ‘War, Abdi Melik, awa wa addo’ (Oh, how the moon shines), and then kissing me passionately,’Oh my God, I love thee’. Drunk with happiness, I replied with a long, slow kiss, ‘I love thee too, Amiina’.he brilliant moon now riding high above bathed us both in her friendly light. Drawing my lungi over us we slept, lulled to sleep by the trade winds whispering in the palms, and the incessant breaking of the surf.All too soon from the Suacron fishing village behind us a cock-crowheralded the false dawn and Amiina stirred sleepily in my arms. ‘Abdi Melik,’ she whispered, ‘I si, I si’ (give me, give me). Her lips parted and her kisses infused me with a passion more than I could bear, soon, too soon to be extinguished as love itself rested. Urgently now the cock crowed its strident reveille again. The sun’s first blush peeped above the sea. Pulling Amiina protestingly to her feet I stripped in a second whilst she disrobed, letting fall her shift as she looked shyly at me, a bronze aphrodite. Hand in hand we ran to the sea, splashing through the shallows and surf, then swimming on to a wrecked dhow where we rested, panting with exhilaration and laughing with the joy of being young and in love. ‘Ahalki an tagno’ (let us return), I smiled at her. ‘Edinku sidas shada, eg! wainu ta-gaina’ (Say ye so? lo, we go), she laughed, diving in the shining waves and heading for the beach.We dressed quickly and ran up to the house, past the astonished sentry, who gave me a belated butt salute as we went by, and so began my love affair with Amiina. During these ecstatic nights I would teach her English, giving her simple exercises to do whilst I worked in the office by day”. Page 147 A Tear For Somalia By Douglas Collins end.

You need the kacaan to tell you who your hero's are. Cat got your tongue everything you have every been told about history is false. The five top leaders: as stated in British intelligence papers 1- The Mad Mullah/Og. Offering to surrender, in his case and that of the Following: 2-Ahmed Warsame/Lander east burco (known as Haji Sudi) 3-Deria Arale/Lander west burco 4-Deria Gure/ lander Only an unconditional surrender should be accepted, no gurantee of any kind as to future treatment being given. 5- Sultan Nuur Ahmed Amaan the late sultan of the Western burco, may be guaranteed his life. All landers accept one. All landers led the dervishes all died fighting the British. According to the British. The kacaan fairy tale of Abdullah hassan and Ismael mirre. Abdullah hassan ran away and even left his family behind and died a coward in Ethiopia. Ismael mirre according to the kacaan was a fighter who shot fire out of his a55 but in reality no one has ever heard about him because he was a 16 year old stable boy. So they created the myth instead of showing the dervishes for what it was a duriyada led movement. So I repeat. The British failed to control these people. I don't talk out of my a55 like you people. I learn history first. No kacaan history actual real history.

http://www.somaliaonline.com/community/topic/kacaan-distortion-of-somali-history-exposed-who-were-the-dervishes/page/3/

^^^ The world Bank, the UN etc all these agencies anyone will tell you say much but do little. Contrary to your lies about the world bank helping Somaliland improve its tax systems nothing much ever materialises from them or the UN. Samale has been the finance minister in charge of taxation for many years and he and others have gradually increased it year on year. We have in Somaliland people who are well Learnt and can achieve what needs to be done on the ground. To prove this we can see year on year growth of taxation since 1991 before any UN or world Bank program that is none existent. Further examples include the water systems of Hargaisa that the world Bank said they wanted to invest 15 million into nothing as of yet. So these institutions are a complete failure. In regards to your other post about the dervishes. As your probably not aware. Under the age of afweyne barre the kacaan rewrote history. The history I refer to is not what you were taught in your communist classes about how abdullah hassan led the dervishes. According to all the valid historical documents. The dervishes were created in burco by duriyada clans predominantly. The dervishes top commanders were all duriyada clans. The ones the British feared the most were predominantly from durian clan. Abdullah hassan on the contrary ran away from the war in Sanaag were most of the dervishes were based he fled to taleex and then fled and left his family and ran into Ethiopia. Abdullah hassan was nether a hero or a mujahid. He was a coward who killed more Somali's then British. To much to teach you in one day. The kacaan played with your head along with all these other fake nationalists and neo sadists so I recommend you read these Previous posts and educate yourself first. Then come back to me and I'll give you an accurate history lesson.

More nonsense from neo siadists and others pretending to be nationalists. For a state to function tax collecting must be strong. The UN doesn't pay the Somaliland army. The UN doesn't pay the teachers, government ministries. Local councils etc. Therefore as a state it is self sufficient one or two buildings doesn't constitute much. As for the police force. Even the logo came from Somaliland and the army uniform and everything else is tax payer paid for. They may have the same supplier but paid for by the taxes of the Republic of Somaliland along with the weapons. Like I wrote the government is responsible for its section while private investment of the people build the state. In your AU colony of Somalia everything is paid for by the UN. Even your so called president salary. Even your band of looters aka army that can't liberate a village without AU. The shahada flag fly from Las canod to the Djibouti border. We signed a book of condolence for a dead Ethiopian man. Wooooow. ethiopia must control all of Africa and the wider world then considering everyone signed it and went there. As for within Somaliland because we don't flatten a village shows our humanity something a man like malister who supports the rape of his mother and sister wouldn't understand. To cut a long story short. Keep writing your nonsense. At the end of the day you fake nationalists and neo siadists have been defeated and exposed. Continue your pathetic tit for tat nonsense while you claim to be nationalists. We all know you are not nationalists. We get stronger every day. Nothing you can do about it. If you ever do win your independence come and we will show you what we are capable of.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQSwGBkGb6o

^^^^ Named after Sacadin the famous Muslim General who fought Ethiopia and devasted it's highlands until the portugese assisted christien Ethiopia against him. He was later supported by the ottoman Muslims as a result showing the direct link between Somalis and the greater world Muslims. When a fake nationalist says come and join me. It means come join me in my chaos it pains me to see you so successful. What they really harbour in the hearts God knows but for many...it's simply a return to tribalistic tit for tat and the typical death and destruction these jahils who hide behind the gize of nationalism want, Fake nationalists....we want unity...please... We know what these people are about. We destroyed them

AU didn't build this, nether did nicolas kay. Nether did the communist afweyne barre. We built it from scratch. Shows what people can do for themselves if they use xaaq, reason and xalal logic and stay away from tribalists so called unionist nationalists who are really just tribalists. Across this country from the Djibouti border to las canod you will see slow development that is people driven. While the government is charge of security and the rest. Odey enjoy...but your hate means nothing to us. Keep your fake nationalism down south till you see the light and repent.

But you won't because you are your own worst enemy. Enjoy your servitude hiding behind AU tanks while they rape your children and replace you. While you keep crying waqooyi galbeed. See if that helps. 1. We control, police, patrol and protect the entire land mass of Somaliland containing 3.5 million people 2. The shahada flys over the heads of our children free from communism, secularism and dictatorships 3. We have the largest standing somali army STILL... 4. We have coast that are pirate free 5. We choose our leaders 6. We listen to our elders 7. We use our culture as an asset not a curse 8. We use Islam as a legal code, as a constitutional code and as a social code 9. We have 78% children literacy rate and free schools. 10. We have built the infrastructure of a state alone without help from anyone. All you can say is wooqyi galbeedi while some guy from Sierra lieon slaps around your men and rape your children. While your so called president approves foreign forces and steals millions. Jahils indeed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX4HRAMrJ68

The reader should ask themselves. What a nationalist means: 1. Devotion to the interests or culture of one's nation. 2. The belief that nations will benefit from acting independently rather than collectively, emphasizing national rather than international goals. 3. Aspirations for national independence in a country under foreign domination. Now tell me how these so called nationalist on this forum actually argue for this in the Somali context. Not one has critise AU presence. NOT ONE HAS critised Ethiopian presence. Not one has critised Kenyan presence. Not one has actually supported any infinitive that actually helps the people. Not one has talked about the rapes. These people are not nationalists. They are tribalist arguing for their own tribal sides. Using foreign mercaneries against one another while they destroy everything. Somalia was destroyed by these people and they still exist. Hence why Islamic sharia and the Islamic political movement in somalia is the only solution. Because this cancer and the Devils that enhance and support it are scared of God.

Odey. The man who go's around screaming I own you. Saxib the AU owns you. And your preaching to a free nation and people who even the British colonialists and the communist afweyne Barre couldn't control. Ever heard of a jihad that came from southern Somalia??? Ask us nicely to help you but don't ask us to join you in your servitude. You can't even protect your women folk yet you want us to trust you with our children. I would be worried for a dog if I left it with you for an hour. Grow a pair. Stop this nonsense fake nationalism. Call yourself for what you are a tribalist who does not have the capacity to govern himself or the intellect to create a state. Repent for your sins. Adopt Islamic law. Get rid of this government, get the AU out and make something of yourself. Be a man. Be human.

Malister truth hit you hard and it truly hurts. I can see that. Malister a few photo shop pictures are not going to help you here. https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Hargeisa+2+brides&biw=360&bih=592&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=g0teVOjXONPH7AbP_oDIBg&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ#tbm=isch&q=Man+marries+two+women+somaliland&facrc=_&imgrc=RxhdB0UhG_xFwM%253A%3B33PRTt2_dpSkFM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.hiiraan.com%252Fnews%252F2006%252Fnov%252Fimages%252Flaba-hablood-main.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.hiiraan.com%252Fnews2%252F2006%252Fnov%252Fa_young_man_in_hargeisa_marries_two_women_in_the_same_night.aspx%3B455%3B341 The German man you are referring to lived in Somaliland for many years. He was exposed and deported and was told never to return and was thrown into jail. You on the other hand support the rape of your own sister by AU mercaneries. You can't deport them. You can't throw them in jail. You can't even speak to them. Why don't you offer them your mother considering you have no problem with them raping your sister while you call yourself a nationalist you tribalist agenda hiding slave of AU. They should slap you around some more in your own house. Yes please sir. Pathetic. These vermin so called nationalist who are non other then tribalist hiding behind the facade of nationalism is what's wrong with Somali's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C549Qza3LvI