Such a memory...U blew it Zep :mad:

Aamiin

^definitely...rudy can comprehend these lyrics very well. Rudy, Hold tight sonny... anniguna garaadkey kaa gaabsan waayee adna garashadaadii ii garaabi weeydee Mara waaxid...yaa tubeec

^Xiinoow aka xaaji duul-duul leave my brand names alone or else! Lovely Rahima and our magacyo badan Kale are in their prime age and I’m willing to have them brag over their age @ my expense . No wonder these two are highlighting their age (with too much emphasis) . Perhaps they’ve heard of the Iskalaaji remix song: â€Cambanyahow bislaadee, cunistuun u baahane; Cid laguu ma waayine, waxa jiraa carada wali; Habla wada cudoonoo, ku cadiban adduunkee.... But YOU no sir, I won’t let you use my senior citizen status against me. For I take pride in that. Halheeskeygu waa “Allow maxaan waa beryey soo joogeyâ€. This is a trademarked phrase...don’t u(all of u) dare to use this phrase without writtem permission from me. Magacyo badan aka this time around Kale, As of today, only 25 out of 100 nomads have voted, that is way short of the mark! Clearly not that many nomads are interested in my personal info. Not to mention the deadline is approaching: you gotta have ur #’s at the end of this month. Having said that, I have a feeling that age has a negative connotation in some nomads psyche! The “forever young†crowd definitely makes up the majority of this SOL crowd. Xoogasade, look at u ...really? Bachelor, anonymous sources are not accepted. Doob dareen baa dilay crowd are prone to this type of rumors. Having said that, I won’t confirm nor deny what you have written . Libaax, I’m not sure if I can pull this one off miss magacyo badan Kale ain't ur typical nomad..she is a tough cookie [edited] . No sir, I am looking my way out of this looming friendly confrontation. Discreet1, caleek mara waaxid...that’s just what I’m gonna do: baxsi as the poet has said Addigu caqlaad leedahay carrar maxaa dhaama Hibo, I ain’t holding back but I’m sure backing off . Last weekend + Monday was a long weekend Memorial holiday. Ameenah, sheehshshsh...don’t u tell marwo. Let me capitalize on this...will u! Salax-u-din, Ayoub, and geeljire...awoowayaal inna rag iyo da'a laga cararo isma qaataan.

^ @Saabir NO does not count. If 200 folks say ney but only 100 say yey, you gotta deal and I will disclose my age. I voted YEY just to quench our moderator's curiosity

If you wanna know the meaning of ‘wuu isku dhex yaacay’. Just think of Checkmate going into ladies restroom without noticing it . And they say women waa jilicsan yihiin. You don’t find new moms in the men’s bathroom C'mon dude...it's difficult but not that madax wareer

My age? No problem! I will tell you but before I do that take a guess. If enough folks show interest then I will readily provide the numbers. I need 100 nomads to say YEY Start the count

Maya sxb ee Xiin alaab hal ku dheg ii ah uu la soo shir tagay. Maxaa Enchantment (magacyo badan ) ku taqaan hee taas ma wax cafineysa hadde war kugu ma seegana oo waa ayada tiri dib u joogso oo keyga iigu yeer. Sxb hadaad dacwad ka keentay hadde kuwii aan gaarka ula baxay hadda iyaguna waa aftax . La durduri! My man Check horta ninyahow do u get enough sleep? Mise qolka dhan baa ka guurtay sidii ragii rag ahaa lagu yiqiin . Babyga hadaad caano siisid always daaci. Hadii uu oohinta badshana bal diaberka naga eeg. Hadii intaa uu soo dhaafo ear infection ka fiiri. Intaas ayaan so far bartay. :cool: Hawl aa ku taal hee Stoic, represent me counsel.

Kuwaas waa iga aftax awoowe They're all urs.

I am oday, waayeel, cuti, vechio, sheyb, and curri combined and then tarbiic Qof ogol tan anaa ka jooga wadanka :cool: btw, wuu isla hadlay, wuu isku dhex yaacay, wuu yara khafiifay, wuu dhaanteeyey, buufis baa ku dhacay are all same in my book. All these phrases point to someone with mental problem. If you see someone talking to himself, making jand gestures all the while unaware of his surroundings then the phrase 'wuu isla hadalay' is the right one. Nevertheless all other phrases can be used to describe this person. My opinion.

Do the picking but keep in mind this is a 2 way street . Nop. Your signature is archaic and unoriginal. It equates (implicitly) being assertive, expressive, and independent with feminism. My apologies to Rahima.

Well I'm not good at description dept. but I'm sure you won't be disappointed if u r open for hook up Why don't u update ur profile and give the lookers something to chew on...it will serve me too for I will have something to pass on to him. Imagine the possibilities something good can happen.

I don't wanna speak for him you know. This tiger got it all His problem is he thinks there is a perfect woman out there. There he got it all wrong but kaala u sheeg adi...he sticks to his guns when it comes to the 'perfection' issue.

Who doesn't Ameen to that Dignified, family-oriented, lovely and lovable, skilled, and pennywise laid back kinda lady is exactly what my cousin has been looking for for ages. He was thinking that all the good ones were taken like a good parking in a big city analogy . Is this you or is this what some Chinese fortune cookie has said about you

Haniif, What is the program's name? I think I can find it for all of us to listen.

^Let it roll. Well, they say a smart woman can look at a mans shoe and tell what sort of characteristics he posses .. Sheeko!... she exclaimed. The theme of the story and moral as well are set in advance. The size of the shoe is indicative of something, these two civilized ladies will dissect this piece of evidence, and they will bring their forensic science skills to bear. How long, how wide, the thread n its resistance strength, the internal pressure and the sheer force of the weight of the person will be deduced from the normal wear and tear of the thread/skin the shoes is made of. It’s intriguing and interesting! What if the size of this shoe is shorter than ceebla’s own shoes? What if it’s longer than hers but narrower? Is Caasha the expert of the subject matter? What is the desirable size? What does that mean? What does this say about Ceebla’ philosophy in life? Waxaa la yiri Magazine rates it as fascinating and contemporary dialogue that deals with the urban myth. Two faryarey up!

Xiin, qallanjo, qallano-luul, qorran, and dhuubo r trademark names sxb . I and only I can use it capisci. Now get original and come up some other names. Time to get original waryee .

Enchantment, The article is insightful and timely. Insightful because educated, successful, working woman in her mid thirties has weighed the myth of feminism. She takes on feminists’ paradoxical and somewhat misplaced priorities. And she knocks down one by one. She touches on the biological clock - a no-no topic in some circles. Timely because nowadays the sisters have anything but negative stereotypes about men in general and their brothers in particular. Generalizations are imposing and overreaching wallahi. We Somali men are losers, abusers, qaat-chewers, uneducated, uncivilized, and list goes on. Sometimes you wonder what pushed some of you to the cliff to make such awful remarks. Btw, do u disagree with the author’s detailed write-up on the misplaced priorities preached by feminists.

Timely article Rahima Virginia Haussegger is mad at feminist poineers but I gotta hunch that some of our late bloomers r mad in everything man Dang! She is right on the money wallahi.

Ngonge, granted there are many troubling aspect of the state of Muslims all over the world. They are weak, illiterate, technologically backward, and poor (most of them). There is no doubt that the problems are monumental ranging from economic stagnation to ineffective curriculums and bad governance. There is no harm in putting these issues under the microscope and having the nomads discuss them one by one. Likewise, putting Manji on the hot seat by refuting all the lies she propagates through the Western media is a good and sensible thing to do. That much is agreed. However, what have you done to refute her lies other than recycle the article giving her more exposure? Have you protested against the newspaper that gave her the platform to do what she does asking that they should give equal platform to other side? Have you written to the editors? Have you written a rebuttal to the editors or posted on SOL? How does posting Manji’s “blasphemous†article benefit nomads that congregate in this part of the forum? They have probably seen it on the TV or read it on the paper. It would have been beneficial had you chip in and lead the pack in dissecting her work showing how absurd it is to change a divine revelation to ones sexual taste or make it fit to the lifestyles of the day. You could point out that there are folks killed in stadiums around the world! In America there were riots (race, sport, etc) in which fellow Americans lost their lives. You could put the violent events that are religious and political in nature in context. Do they only happen in the Islamic world? Isn’t violence a tool for oppressed folk to let some steam out? I’m sure you agree that how the debate on any given issue is framed is very important! Yes, there are problems with Islamic world (not necessarily with Islam itself). Many scholars have been pointing that out for quite sometimes now. If one makes the effort these scholars and their work are available in sites such as Islamic views (iviews.org), Islamicity,org, and many other sites. These scholars do what they do sincerely and out of love of Islam. Unlike Manji they don’t poke fun at religion, they don’t distort the teaching of Islam, they don’t question the basic tenants of Islam. They lay blame at the right doors. They point out the lack of funding of Islamic institutions by the Islamic governments, they point out the lack of balanced curriculums for the youth, the lack of scholarships, the lack of publishing companies, the lack of think tanks operating in the west. Why would you give credence to Manji and her likes when she points out the same problems with intent to distort the teachings of Islam and not heed the same advice given by well-respected scholars? To discuss these issues you don’t need Manji and her likes. I don’t doubt your intention for a second but I think your effort is misplaced.

@ ur last sentence...Really? What is the main argument for the secession again? Who wants to secede and why? I'm not sure I heard your wisdom on these pertinent questions. Yes, we discussed the topic of Las Ano even though we ended up by agreeing to disagree! And yes again, these are border disputes between two autonomous regions whose borders overlap! While the fact that these provinces not being part of Somaliland don’t negate the existence of Somaliland (the existence of Somaliland as former British protectorate has never been contested mind you!), it nullifies the claim that the same Somaliland (as was known back then) is the one (as a unified entity) that wants to secede. Did I hear you say that you see no benefits in being part of the federal government! So secessionists have a list of demands that if satisfied they will come back into the fold again. Great! I knew you were open for persuasion. Halt the recognition drive and let’s talk about this thing. What sort of benefits are we talking about here? If these benefits are made available to secessionists, my understanding is that there will be no need for dismembering the country. Right? Excellent Ngonge. You now agree that clannism is part and parcel of the Somali politics. Because all Somalis are using clan politics, is it okay for you to support Somaliland’s secession based on clannism? Pointing out that secession pushed by vocal activists (motivated by clannish motives) is not good enough reason to dismember an existing state is indeed an excellent argument. As for the point that it’s been 14 years since the day Somaliland declared its independence and that alone renders “many arguments†obsolete, well let me point out another fact: Somalia had no legitimate inclusive government as many years. That doesn’t mean it won’t have one. It is true that some parts of Somaliland had regional autonomy but that doesn’t mean these parts of Somaliland existed as an independent state. If time (the magical 14 years) renders many arguments obsolete, it sure renders the Somaliland’s claim as an independent state argument obsolete as well. For that proved to be a toll order for secessionists. Again, here you are giving yourself a full dress and you are only allowing me to have baby towel (after I protested). Classic! Yes, I do remember the “circular†one but this is not as philosophical as that one. You are not giving me the easy exit from this “imagined†circular argument. In all honest you are not refuting the core charges. All you are doing is dismissing history, minimizing grievances, and you are tacitly acknowledging the clannism. What’s left is the 14 years of turmoil (country overall not pockets) and the right to secede!! You are not making the case for secession other than pointing out when this cause made its debut (right after collapse of the state) and it’s golden years during the civil war years. Common dude, you can do better than that! .

Nuune, there is no such thing as an “objective†media. It is a common knowledge that media are owned and run by subjective and unsanctified men. Here in America, there are liberals, conservatives, libertarians, and religious right journalists. There are all kinds of special interests pushing their views in so many different ways. Ethics of journalism, the need of having more than one anonymous source, competition, public opinion, watchdog groups, and other checks and balances is what makes them look an objective media. Somalis are no different. Each website is run by interest group (sub-clans masquerading as city/region hence the name). Apart from the meager income they got from advertising, which is hardly enough to cover the expenses, they don’t make money at all. No one pays them. Therefore what these websites do is filter information through the sieve of their regions' caano miir and repackage it in a way that’s favorable to their audience. There are exceptions, of course. By and large though, they act as if they are spin masters operating from “war room†of one of the political contestants. For instance, Gedi’s participation in what is professional gathering (veterinary organs of all nations represented by low level departmental heads) is now depicted as state visit. The TFG's utter failure to implement the reconciliation agenda it supposed to jumpstart is totally ignored. What you read, depending on from which site, is which faction of TFG has legal legs to stand. The Mogadishu security problem and unilateral invitation of FTs by Nairobi faction despite the objections of most powerful warlords whose participation of the Nairobi conference was very critical to the formation of the TFG is lost in the cheerleading analysis. Ms. Edna’s personal trip (uninvited) to US is reported as being official trip. The highlight of that report is when she waves her “stamped passport†to jubilant crowd who can’t even see the authenticity of the said document. Yet, we have dedicated nomads that we can count on to post these “events†as they happen. The good thing about this is that no one has a monopoly over information. The days when SONNA, Ogaal, and Xidigta October dictated what is news and what is not are over. From what seems chaotic, biased, and sporadic media outlet, will become in due time a balanced, business minded and experienced media power houses constrained by public opinion and ethics of journalism. There will be money to be made, genuine public service to be advanced, public opinions to be considered, etc. All these will happen when the state reclaims its legitimacy, peace prevails, normalcy returns, and journalism becomes respected profession in which its practitioners are compelled to get their credentials from a respected accredited institution. Today, because of the nature of disunity, mistrust, political animosity between various groups, and fragmented Somali communities, there are people (majority) who find these spinner “makeshift freelancers†very useful and trustworthy. Therefore, these websites are popular and they do have sizable audiences. The only sensible to do is to try to distinguish national news from local, political from non-political, and commentary from facts. For instance, the Gedi’s trip is factual whereas the significance of this trip is subjective and depending what news outlet is reporting, one can know whether the site is pro-TFG Nairobi faction or pro-TFG Mogadishu faction! In other words, critical eye is what is needed here.

Morning Ngonge, We may not agree on all topics and we may not see things through identical lens but I respect how calm, respectful, and collected you come across when opining on SOL forums. In online forum, that's all one could ask really. You have been every Somaliweyn's favorite secessionist . This is not just because you throw us a bone of agreement in our rare encounters. You actually seem reasonable. You give the impression of being open to persuasion. In your last two posts, however, the opposite is true. You are now a hardliner! All of the sudden you are now sure that Garowe and Las Caano don't belong together! Hek, you don't even think there is a reason to discuss or as you put it "sell" the idea of Somaliland to other Somalis (it’s okay to sell it to foreigners to attain recognition). Your last post is very interesting one. As someone who believes in the wisdom behind the secession, of course you don't think the case against it is that strong! That's understandable! What's not clear to me is what makes you think that you are impartial to the debate sxb? The reason I ask this question is that you seem to consider yourself as an impartial observer on the one hand, and you are trying to convince the other secessionists that you are one of them who has different priorities, on the other hand. Clannish arguments are the nature of the beast we are dealing with here! After all, Somali politics is “clannish†in a profound way. So is the history of secessionism: where, why, and how the whole thing got started is very important if we are to understand and address the root cause of the secession question. You may think bringing it up is a cheap way at scoring points against Tolstoy and what he stands for. You may think that the fact that Somaliland has been a de facto autonomy for 14 years absolves both sides of the aisle the responsibility of digging deep and exposing the inescapable truth that the reason Somaliland don't have control over the "historical" territory it claims to rule has something to do with sheer clannism. The truth of the matter is clannism, colonial legacy, and grievances are raison d'etat of Somaliland's existence sxb. If these are blinkered and pointless charges, I expect you to back up that statement with convincing argument more than "I could go on" and dismantle them statement. I'm all ears sxb. Two other points you made in your last post strikes me as funny. Are you equating Tolstoy's uncompromising contempt against sizable segment of Somalis ("defeated lot") with my argument that secession is spearheaded by one clan and the whole enterprise is motivated by sheer clannism? Or pointing that out in my posts is what you want me to "drop"? Am I really equally donning my birthday suits? I consider myself as a reasonable man and I would reexamine and reconsider my views if I'm in anyway deserved to be put in league with the likes of Tolstoy! For I consider him as the epitome of clannish mentality. The man has penned disturbing posts! As to the point that dreamers hope that things will come around and all the troubles that we are having today will be put behind us one day, that’s called optimism. It’s a good attitude! Dreams are good if acted on sxb. Hope is the necessary sustenance that keeps the dreamers going! I view that our problems, and they are painstakingly difficult ones by any measure and I acknowledged them all, as realities to be changed. What you don't seem to understand is that with effort, no matter how challenging and difficult odds against us are, dreams can be realized. What is important here is that what one wishes to attain is a right, just, and noble end. Pragmatic and practical person, judging by evidence of course , will tell you that dismembering an existing country is not your cup of tea! An informed and knowledgeable person will tell you that the union between North and South can legally be dissolved only after the republic is restored. He will tell you that the existence of Puntland region complicates the secession if it ever materializes. He will tell you that Somaliland itself will most likely be dismembered due to persistent actualities on the ground. A dreamer of other sort , on the other hand, will never take the reality on the ground into account and will only see what he wants to see. I hope you don't mind me mimicking you there; I want to make an obvious point that escaped your analysis. Sxb the matter of the fact is that every letter sent to ask recognition another two will reach on the same desk asking these powers who have a say on the question to not dismember Somalia and balkanize the region. Here in the US some of the elected representative from the states Somalis reside have given their word that they would not allow Somalia to be dismembered or the question of secession to be considered during this difficult time. The question is what became of us if secessionists try their best in dismembering the country and fail to realize their “dreamâ€.

Amy, I noticed a trend honey, that’s all . This is a good discussion by any measure. No insult, no under hand comments, no hate speech, no name-calling, no bs at least from my side...if anything my posts have sparked healthy discussion of why should some of us celebrate for dismembering the country (note I’m for progress, peace, stability, and what not wether in Mogadishu, Bossaasso, Biadowa, or Hargeisa). Some of the nomads are very upset with the fact that this discussion is even taking place despite their call for the “landers†to boycott and ignore my posts and rightly and understandably so for their core beliefs had been questioned and they don’t have consistent principled reasons at their disposal to dismiss the charges that I made against secession. Afro, I see you too have questions . Same here! I asked simple questions about the wisdom behind the secession. I thought the whole thing, from the get go, was motivated by sheer clannism. You’ve heard the responses. They ranged from something akin to ‘it’s not your business’ to ‘u are jealous that we made it’...and something in between. Every now and then you hear some emotional outburst that equates serious or critical discussions on the issue to hate and envy! Not all of the proponents of this side are that childish. In fact some have presented their thoughts as to why they justify the secession. So far they didn’t demonstrate enough reasons why the parts of what used to be British Somaliland has to secede. Before I refute what our friend Mr. Tolstoy had to say about the issue let me say a word or two to the ones who have voiced different approach (no grievances or colonial legacy but rather something else that can differentiate Togdheer from Soul or Garowe) that articulates why parts of that corner of the country belong together and not to Somalia. I suspect the only reasonable argument there is what Northerner had alluded to namely the political impasse of Somalia and difficult of finding a common ground for the divergent interests of the Southern leaders (let alone the interest of the North westerners) is very difficult to reconcile. Therefore, this line of reasoning seems to be saying that since the current political problems is so difficult to solve, out of desperation the country should be dismembered for the time being. Very interesting line of thinking I must say. I don’t agree with that but it’s a very dignifying way of making the case for the secession. This is for our esteemed Tolstoy. [putting my magnifying glasses ] Let me thank you for taking the time to go through historical documents. I like very much when I’m dealing with someone who knows what he’s talking about. It’s imperative at the outset to get on the same page on the historical facts of the case. You have cited the colonial officer Mr. Ian Macloed’s take on the political development of Somalia at the eve of the imminent reunification. I haven’t seen that document but I take your word for it. Let’s put this in perspective shall we! Italian Somaliland was in the British hands in 1942-1950. Defeated Italy had no real power in the deliberation of what to do with the subjugated indigenous nations. The new powers namely US and USSR had insisted to minimize what had been French and Britain playground for much of the 19 century. In 1949 the new powers made clear that they want Italian Somaliland be placed under UN Trusteeship. Britain resisted that and made the case as to why ethnic Somalis should be given a unified country. Here is what late British Foreign secretary Mr. Ernest Bevin making the case had to say and I quote him: “At about the time we occupied our part, the Ethiopians occupied an inland area which is the grazing grounds for nearly half the nomads of the British Somaliland for six months of the year. Similarly, the nomads from the Italian Somaliland must cross the existing frontier in search of water. In all innocence, therefore, we proposed that British Somaliland, Italian Somaliland and adjacent part of Ethiopia, if Ethiopia agreed, should be lumped together as a trust territory, so that the nomads should lead their frugal existence with the least hindrance and there might be a real chance of decent economic life as understood in that territory.†Notice the word “innocence†used by the secretary to convince his audience that Britain had no sinister geopolitical plans which is the suspicion US and USSR had at the time. Now, where does the secretary’s understanding of the reality of divided and exploited Somalis leave Mr. Ian Macloed’s affinity to his subjects who are about to realize what everyone understood and Pan-Somalists so eloquently articulated at time? The notion that bigger, more populous, better endowed (eight million acres of arable land with two rivers), more advanced infrastructure, and better trained administrative officers (ten years of self rule under Trusteeship arrangement) must share (ask on what basis, population or what?) power equally with the North was not only unreasonable proposition but it was counter productive to the aspiration of the young nation that was about to emerge. The reason they didn’t heed Mr. Ian Macloed’s advice is exactly because they knew the reality on the ground and they were not interested the British-Italian old masters’ geopolitical rivalry. The USP (party representing Awdal and Sool/Sanaag) and SNL (more populous tribe of the area) would have disagreed the proposition of hard bargaining anyway had they asked to employ foreign expertise with sinister agenda taking part the unification! Moving on to the other points you’ve made in your latest post. Northerner dared to reason independently and veered from the “groupthink†rehearsed line. His mistake was he engaged with likes of me. He should have listen to Lander or you for that matter and stick, as it were, with the polar opposite formulation. I’ve seen Ngonge struggling with the tremendous peer pressure. Tolstoy the “Whip†is rallying the troops and let’s take a look what he had to say. First, he articulates why the corruption and incompetence should not got in the way of believing in everything Somaliland. The exhortation that blood was shed for the dearly held cause of Somaliland is common recurring theme in his posts. Who shed their dear blood and put their neck on the line he wouldn’t say! For parts of former British Somaliland don’t share this history with those heroes Mr. Tolstoy is asking others to remember for their sacrifices and their role in the new Somaliland. One must assume that he is not referring to Sool, Sanaag, and Awdal clans. If you sense clannism you are right. That’s what it is! Clearly you can’t ask others to glorify history in which they are implicated! Here, is where the house of cards some of the diehard secessionists fall apart. Likewise, here is when these some ones got mad at me and accuse me all sorts of things. Simple critical analysis, is it not? Yet what keeps Mr. Tolstoy's calm, as he told us, is the knowledge of the price his militia clan had paid for the cause of Somaliland. If this blood is the spiritual sacrifice that trumps the occasional mishaps that fallible politicians are known to make what should be the moral inspiration other shareholders of Somaliland should remind themselves when frustrated with the way their new “country†is run? Should they say because the fate had it that we were colonized by Britain and hence we should be loyal to the state? Secondly, another common recurring theme is the messianic world outlook he likes to depict when citing critical events of Somali political history. Good triumphing over evil and history vindicating his beloved people is what he is so fond off telling when he got the chance. You would think what Tolstoy is talking about is not so much of someone who hails from Kismayo or for that matter civilians who had paid the double price of being against the dictatorships of the former regime and having tribal affiliation with that regime. You would think the evil is the corrupt government that had been in charge of the country and at war with its own people much of its reign. You would think he has issues with Siyad, Morgan, Riyale, Jamac Ismaciil, Inna Lax wase, and other highest officials in that regime who had held positions in that government. Wrong! Don’t take my word for it and just read what he had penned there. Tolstoy thinks he “defeated†Oday Baashi and his “defeated lot†and he magically tossed “us†in the dust bin of history. Clannish talk? You bet! This is not a small measure in his world. Any shrewd, intelligent, and critical reader can, easily and without any effort, link the dots. Make no mistake friends there are crucial links of this messianic “defeat†he so often portrays, the triumph, “His†people claiming their place of history, and the idea of Somaliland. Not only this precludes certain segments of the very country he wishes to have, but it makes a sizable resident in that lot the part of the evil he so bravely had defeated. This is not a principled case to make. This is an angry man who blames not government and the fallible men that led that government. This is man who lays the blame at the doors of the country in general and the certain clans in particular. I sense that his broad brush even paints unborn future generations from this clan with the same brush he paints with the leaders who led us to this bottomless pit we find ourselves in. Odey Baashi

Mr B has his own confused agenda, dear. It should not be confsued with my own confused agenda or we'll all be confused. Fair enough. Although I wouldn't characterize mine as a confused agenda or even agenda per se for that matter, I can understand why you would want to put it that way. At last it downed on me how things are around here. Certain things would never change