Innaa Lilaahi wa innaa Ileyhi raajicuun. Alla yarxama.

Originally posted by OLOL laakiin maalintii isbaarooyin la qaado - militia la aruuriyo - dadka dago - isqabqabsi goofeedka iyo tredicaha ah dhamaado - waxaan hubaa qof walba oo xamar deganaa gurigii uu xalaasha ku dhistay inuu u laaban doono - kuwiii xaaraan iyo booli qaran wax ku xadayna - nasiibkood hee ! Case closed . Originally posted by jumatatu: Awoowe hadalkeyga halku ka marey..I asked you halke ka bilowna gocashada...pre or post 1990. Yes I agree with you looting should be condnmed whether it is both individually , tribalistically or stately organised. So awoowe where do we start from? As for your msg to Horn awoowe dont flater yourself it was not coded it was plain and apparent and only 'nin dhohan' aya uu bahan in lo fasiro. Warkuba waa intaa dee awoowe . Hadda baad rag la xaajoon kartaa oo warkaagu macno sameynayaa. Ha laga bilaabo lixdankii ilaa iyo yoomul aamunuu war xun ma aha. Laakiin taasu waxba ka baddeli meyso kana hor is taagi meyso qofna gurrigiisii. Ciddii dawladii hore mudici ku ah hadde waa u furan tahay inay dacwad furto oo cidii wax uga maqan yihiin ay ku oogto. Waxaanse marnaba macna sameyneyn “aryaa anaa xoreystey†Midka aa tidhi waad u baaqday Horn oo war sirgaxan oo aan munaasib ahayn baad halakan ku qortay addigaa farta wax ku goday e warka cadee ama afkaaga heyso oo iska aamu. Awoowe wax lala hulaabto meeshatan ma yaaliin oo hadde waa shabakad khiyaali ah. Sideydana warkeygu waaba iska cad yahay ninkii madmadow uu ka jirana anaaba diyaar ula ah oo ka haqab tiraya. Wax weydiintu wax xun ma aha oo hadii tuhun ku galay oo wax ku muuq muuqdeen waa wax suuro ah laakiin xayi iska dhig oo sida isu dhaan oo hadaadba marku hadashay si waafi ah u dhamaystir oo sheeg waxaad ka diday . So far tuhunkan aad sheegin waxuu yahay addigu gaar kugu yahay.

Muriidi: Ay Maana, maxaa waaye qosolkaaneeti. Maana: Ar lama-goodle iskool shimees qabiil u naqdayna, kii wax lagu barahaayey lee maahinoo? Muriidi: Horta sii u fahantay ani ma u fahmin; waxaas u fahmay Abeeso lugeey , laakiin hadiis iskool ka wado beri jeeso iyo sabuurad aa ku xigta, anaa ku dhahay maryooleey ka filo. Reer xamarka: Habar Jidirrrr, Koo buubaayo xitaa ma keenteen. Labadaan waligeey ma maqal...maxaa ii keenteen waan qoslay si xun. A helluva thread...keep them coming maryooleey.

Why don't you help us all and decipher the coded message you seem to have gleaned from the post? Plz do that n will take it from there. Why can't y'all put on your finger on this invisible thing in my post that seems to hit ur nerves. Again we are on "looting" subject. If there had been systematic and institutionalized looting done by the former government just bring it on and simply state it so we can put under magnifying glasses. Let's for once condemn the looting and vigilante mindset as a method to rectify past grievances. Grown up men have been known to fight against each other in the battle fields but when the chabter is closed they have also known to sit down and put all on the reconciliation table. We are at a point where Somali state is hopelessly in need of rescue. It's in this spirit that I want to engage with whoever is dignified enough to talk sense and face the lion squarely in the eye and say al right lets deal this for once.

Originally posted by OLOL: Well, I think what we have here is the folks from Starbucks and all their hoopla. Nothing original. It is another Fadhi-Ku-Dirir, this time in the cyber world. I could come up with a plenty of ways to answer back to these prejudiced imposters but I have to remind myself that when someone of these provincial Somalis shows characteristic behavior , to just pay no attention and ignore it. I also have to remind myself that all this antagonistic hearsay is just the usual "Mudugh & Puntlandish" front . I have been informed that this kind of talk is what these nomads thrive: hiding behind smokescreens in order to boost their tormented egos. Ma ceyrtii baa la jaray? Ma qurbahaa lala qabsan waayay? A primitive mind can’t cope with this ever-changing and dynamic globalizing modernity. So, looking back to what is familiar and holding to it is quite comfortable. Qabyaalad is really a fascinating Somali religion. Somali political reality is a tough business though. And I must admit that. Nowadays it is quite so politically trendy to blame the messenger. This is the message folks: Mogadishu is the Somali capital. The civil war was indeed very destructive but it had bulldozed nomadic folklore illusion and created new realities on the ground. The most influential Somalis in our era are in the Capital and guess what folks they are not warlords or opportunistic politicians . An exile warlord-president and his expatriate cheerleaders could romanticize these nomadic fairytales. On the other side of the inequation,ruthless warlords and clannish supporters on the opposing group, could also flex their muscle for a while but at the end of the day, change will come and the progressive voices of the scholars, intellectuals ( not clannish PH.D holders ) civil society activists will triumph and Somalia Inshallah will recuperate this disastrous amnesia. aren't Asha Abdalla, Shirwac, Cabdi Samatar and Co. doing great job? Xamar waa ka barbar islaan sidii baati iyo laano!! Classic Pointless and incoherent rubbish and no substance We are on the "looting" subject and you seem to justify this unjust loot and the legions who perfected this art. You seem to be cornered and you felt necessary to bring walfare and cayr and the fadhi-ku-dirir and coffee sipping starbuck crowd into the mix. Brilliant

Waligeey tanoo kale This can’t be real. Rahima you must have misunderstood what I have said there! First, with all due modest, I’m very humble Oday. Secondly, I wasn’t sarcastic on that post. Thirdly, akhris means shukaansi in ciyaalka xaafada (Benadir youth) lingo not the literal akhris of my almost 2000 posts and dibjiidid, and riigid is a dance male pigeons do when in mood of courting. I meant to say that I was sure you are a helluva lady who is sought after by many suitors. The irony in all of this is that you think I don’t know how to accept a compliment. What better compliment is there for woman than her piety and intellect instead of her curves! I extended a helping hand in the Somali lingo dept ( u indicated that u r in need...) and what have you done...you called a “silly†game! I’m very surprised that you of all people dragged my lovely wife in this maala yacni. What have I done to deserve this awoowe? . Kaleo, you are still at it eh! Am I now a marked man whose lil slips are eagerly watched, waited and readied for scrutiny? Excellent I will make my debut in the polygamy and feminism department Red meat is it not? Oday aka the dinosaur of SOL

Morning folks, Again reading comprehension 101 is in order Johny. You seem to be reading stuff into the post. Yes I’m willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and take your (and others) post as they appear on the forum. Your views seem to be unprincipled. I’m challenging the premise that justifies the wrongs done to innocent Muslims because of past transgressions committed by former regime. That, my friend, is wrong in every way. Now you can jump up and down and say I don’t buy that cuz it is a point made by PLer. Careful there sxb your views reflect your intellect and integrity. On OLOL, the man issagoo afka ka xunbeynayuu inna soo galay. Waa assaga xagga iyo xageer isku qaaday oo dadkii xaaraan dusha uga tuuray, waa issga yiri annigu in yar oo Somali ah baa igu jidha markii la weydiiyey waxa ka bah bah siinayana waa issaga doodii uu la soo shir tagay marrin aqoon waayey. Maxaan u dhimay oo aan ku raali galiyaa? Ka gudub, you’ve made an excellent point when you said “The land issue from your prespective has started with the civil war , but we KNOW it has started earlier,with government confiscation of land and properties that belonged to the natives which then went to ministers and likes from the government who happen to predominantly belong to a certain clan†Doodu haday madax iyo manjo yeelatay. Baravo! Johny now u r talking sxb. Let’s cut to the chase once and for all. What you have said is true. However, that has nothing to do with the private properties of the folks who had been driven out. The point you have made is not a problem per se. Reason being the names of the government officials and their portfolio are known. Mohamed Sheikh Osman and Abdiqasim long time ministers of the former government will be the star witnesses on this imagined court. What you need to understand is Xadiya Miskiin who was born and bred in Mogadishu who has never held a government position and whose husband spent most of his productive life in prison can not be denied her property by Abdiqasim. That would be aduunyo gadoon! And you as Johny are not in position to spearhead this dulmi and justify the looting and pillaging done by thugs in the name of their clan by going online. What’s in it for you? WT, no doubt my man Horn, true Kismayo is a Somali city. So is Mogadishu where you actually have your booli qaran. If you are man enough make your stand where is needed. In any event, Kismayo is open to all but not ready to purge its residents and replace with other kooyto! Shido ma jidho boowe innagu waan iska heshiin doonaa ee waxaad yeeshaa wax isku hara aduun galinba waa ceyne! Xiin, much respect bro. We are on the same page now (ur last post) Oday :cool:

^Precisely...to discuss these matters objectively requires some knowledge on the actuality on the ground. One can bash this and that all one wants but at the end of the day, the issues remain unaddressed. Abdullahi is the elected TFG president and I have no intention to defend him off all people from his own subjects. I’m interested in the real issues that pertain to all of us. If we are to reestablish Somali state we have to tackle the root of the problem. I’m terribly sorry but you come across as a fake who chickens out when asked what you are rambling about. For crying out loud, this is a virtual forum and we got nothing to lose to admit that looting and looters ain’t something dignified folks brag about. Johny, Wrong. Reading comprehension is in order sxb. I made an excellent point. The point is the civil war displaced urbanites who were predominantly from one clan. In the clan warfare that’s a victory for the winning clan. In the civilized world, it is a tragedy and in the post-conflict period it is a liability for the tribe who won the contest. Reason being those who occupied has to vacate the premises they have resided. In our case, many poor families will be in need of legit residence in the urban areas as the private dwellings and public schools and other government institutions have to be vacated. This is a monumental challenge for the responsible leaders...not ur cup of tea. No I didn’t say the land belongs to Puntlanders. Not at all. It belongs to a variety of clans all of them Somalis. Many folks [edited - out of respect of the SOL rules but the point is about eight clans have stake at this] are victims in this new deal. Puntlanders and SPM affiliated clans are but small part of overall picture. I happen to be the one who is articulating the problem of the land grab. The problem of your premise and that of OLOL and Juma is you are forced (for clannish reasons) to justify the unjustifiable and to defend the looters. It is no accident that you all of you are left nothing but to attack personalities and construct an imaginary enemy (punlanders) in this seemingly irrational and unreasonable political sandcastle. Again anyone who want to discuss the real issues (Mogadishu-Kismayo real estate)! How this issue shapes the decisions both sides had made in the past and the one they are forced to make in the near future is a political judgment with monumental importance! Is this important enough to destroy the lil understanding the so called politicians had reached in Nairobi? My take is the lords of Mogadishu have a lot to lose as genuine reconciliation means a complete reversal of the ill-gotten gains. My problem with Abdullahi government is that it blundered by adopting a confrontational attitude and by adopting a policy that advocates force as the only the way out of this impasse. I’m being realistic here and I don’t think that is a sensible policy. Xiin, kaftan dhable it was. I disagree though that your “allegory†generalizes a whole clan and implies that the impasse stems from human traits of those who live there happily coexisting with the anarchy that’s associated with the city. Yes ports and airport are closed just because few greedy men saw fit to milk their own facilities at the expense of the residents. Why is that? I maintain that it is easy to bring down a functioning government however corrupt it is but a whole lot difficult to erect another one. The fact that Ceydiid indoctrinated his legions that the other tribe have been humiliating them for ages and whatever harm done in the name of liberation is justified is one reason that at the end he couldn’t control them. He recruited his militia with no pay and the loot was their salaries so to speak. How in the world would you tell someone who lost limp and leg, relatives and buddies to vacate the premises he has looted. Listen OLOL carefully he makes that case unknowingly. In any case I hear ya...u said it is 1-1 kinda deal.

^Hide? why? and from whom? You are about 5% Somali (minuscule) yet you come across as more angrier than those who are 100% Somali! You say that u will never be persuaded yet you think u r stimulating humility! Are you being real? pretentious? perhaps nervous? We were examining the Mogadishu dilemma and there you veered to another line of inquiry asking “Why is Somaliland want to separate? Why there is so mistrust and apprehension of each other among southern clans?†You seem to know all the answers here “Because of such hypocrisy and blind support for unjust transgressions!†hmm? This is the best line in your incoherence blabber there it is read it again “Somalis all over are now more aware of the deceitful villains propped up because of clan loyalties†Get ur self together, take a deep breath and calm down. Ready? Now, care to elaborate on that post. You must be thinking that the nomads who congregate here act as spokesperson of their respective clans. Not at all. I’m Baashi and I have strong views on the political events taking place back home. We can discuss it to the bones for all your heart’s content. Now I understand that you are confusing the past transgressions to the present ones or even worse you are justifying the present ones because of the past deeds! Am I right? Let’s have meaningful discussion on the subject. Are you up to the challenge OLOL? Xiin, war ninyahow waa sii fogaaneysaa maalinba maalinta ka danbeysaa. Ma waxaad leedahay bahda Xamar haatan joogtaa dawlidnimo macnaheeda ma yaqaanaan magaaladuna waa is umal raaceysaa jeer ninkii talin jiray uu soo laabto? Shidadaba waxa keenay waa hadalaas oo kale Ha kaa saarto hadde maahmaahdii reer barri baa meesha taala: “Adoo nabad u belawaara belooy kaalay lama yiraahdo; haday kuu timaadana lama booyo booweâ€! Reer hebel dabo bey leeyihiin iyo reer hebel turub baray iyo dawlidnimo ninkii maali jiray baa yaqaan sow waxa la isugu go’ay ma aha!

" Alla aniga tira badniya mid walba in uu ii gursado ayu rabo se wax yeela". looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool And the moral of the story is...? The one u provided doesn't cut it sxb. Forgot about those who are from Burtinle. What about dadkii qaxay ee ku barakacay dagaalkii ahliga. Mise xikamadii belada ahayd ee "aryaa anaa xoreystay" baad waxa dooneysaa inaad miis rag leeyahay oo muqaawiir iyo gar cas ku garameyso inaad la timaado oo aad la soo shir tagtid.

OLOL you are defending the indefensible sxb. You remined me the line and I’m paraphrasing it here he is sure a thug but our thug. For the sake of decency, don’t associate your politiking with the down rotten ideals of looting and the legions that do the deed. Looting, larceny, and theft have never been approved by any religion, ideology, or social system known to men. The fact of the matter is the internecine civil war has replaced half of the Mogadishu residents some for good and others within the city depending who controls where whenever clan skirmishes flare up. Now in any genuine reconciliation it is imperative to tackle this issue head on. It’s disheartening to see you make fool of yourself just to stand up for your xaafad. It’s people like you that gives the extreme elements in any Somali clans the upper hand. Tone it down sxb. Waryee Xiin, to characterize the occupiers of Kismayo as being “savages†is uncalled for. On Kismayo, awoowe maalin kasta caqli baa ii siyaada. The game is over! Now, JVA alliance had won the battle of Juba, where does that fact leave folks like me? Here are several options: 1) Swallow my foolish pride and say alright Barre and his senior partners are in charge now, deal with them and relinquish Kismayo resident's political ambition and in return secure all their properties. 2) Deal Abdiqasim and bypass Barre in return toss Abdullahi and his dangerous and unrealistic adventures. 3) Ciyaar waa galin danbe wait and see how long this powerful alliance last. As of today I’m inclined to embrace the first option. When the dust settles those who have the money, the know-how, the political intrigue will carry the day and in the case of Kismayo I have no doubt who will have the upper hand. On Mogadishu, deep down you know Abdullahi cannot do a thing to change the situation. He needs FTs. FTs mandate as well as funding are constrained by a gamut of interest. If and when he gets them he won’t be the one who calls the shots. That’s the regional politics. Inside Somalia, if Mogadishu really unites behind the TFG Mogadishu faction I don’t think Uganda and Sudan’s mere 2000 military personal can tame the experienced clan militia fighting urban warfare in their own backyard. It will be mighty difficult to subdue a city as big as Mogadishu. Jowhar is an interesting place. Abdullahi will become hostage to another clan albeit friendly one. He seems to put all yis eggs and that of the nation in a hollow basket. Remember the TFG won’t get the support of the powers that really matter. Remember the government is short of money. Remember IGAD (unconditional support) is the only org willing to invest the resources necessary for this TFG to do what it needs to do. Difficult? And what did he do so far! The TFG is split in two. Mogadishu has now been claimed by one part (out of its overall inhabitants). He doesn’t get along with US and its Nairobi embassy in particular. UN is not as enthusiastic as it had been in Carta. Granted that the blame lies at many doors but he is in charge. He is the boss. Good or bad, he is accountable as he is the president. Qanyare iyo Shariifkoo lala tirsadaa iyo anaa ilabax ah iyo ciidan baa wataa meel laguma gaaro sxb Having said that, make no mistake sxb the Mogadishu-Kismayo land grab is the crux of the matter. I've said so many times. On this we seem to agree. There are folks who would lose if this TFG implements the law and order. AKili and faratelli farmlands, Kabtan shanaad, along the road from Aw dheegle, grasjeereed, Janaale, to qoryooleey district down to Mareereey, Jilib, Kamsuuma, Jamaame, to Kismayo the whole circle I drew is in the hands of others. All Somalis who use to live there except several sub clans and lately reer Gedo lost their properties. That I understand but you must choose your battles prudently and very carefully. This man is very very reckless and he seems picking up support from our clan by the day (cuz they hear the likes of OLOL). Amazing how folks think sxb...wadar iyo waaxid yaa waalan baa maqli jiray. Awoowe inna Yussuf waa la wataa. excuze the ramble.

Originally posted by Suldaaanka: And my little update to that... Saakana Saaxibow Somaliland Somali waa u Sidataaye Ee Satrigiina ka saara ayada sinaba noqotiin malee Hands down to the prince. I didn't know we have a young poet like you on board. Regardless of our political affiliations the fact that you are an emerging poet does it for me. Keep them coming sxb :cool:

^wat attention? They r taking me to the senior citizen homes...u know the assistant living shelters where the senile elders wait their Creator's call. ^ Baashi I am extremely disappointed in you. Never did I take you for the overly-sensitive type or that you wouldn’t “get itâ€. Then again perhaps you just don’t know how to handle compliments . Rahima has gone past her “primeâ€, so any attempts of emphasis would be foolish. It was nothing more than admiration for a brother . Nothing more and the assumption that one would need to adverstise such ****** meaningless matters is to say the least offensive. Am I sensitive? Sure (pleasures of femininity), but you're not allowed Outch! Got it. So Rahima that's what it was: a compliment...should’ve known better! Dang! must be one of those moments when my mind escapes me. Blame the old age but that happens quite often. Stop being modest Rahima. U r young very young and u r def in ur prime. If I were free to court, I would definitely explore this seemingly pious n intelligent screen character . I’m sure someone is doin some akhris, riigid and even some dibjiid (I challenge u to find what these Somali terms mean...ur Somali lesson of the day) ^ He wouldn’t know a compliment if it hit him in the face Rahima. Thanks to me and this thread, his recognition has catapulted to honourary status (Cant blv he is being invited for cross border coffee at MY expense!)…. But I’m not waiting for an infinitesimal show of gratitude. Nope. Not me. Not from Baashi. U put me on the hot seat and have others do some fac tiris @ my expense and yet u expect me to thank u! C’mon qallanjo. Btw, ATLers r true nomads n they r known to be generous. My man STOIC is willing to have u on board...r u coming :cool: ?

Simply ask him to state the fact that u've seen him. That alone establishes that u were in fact sick and have sought medical help. Empowered with that...u r in a position to make all sorts of claims. Stress is a state of mind. The fact that u were stressed out + whatever reason u have sought for medical help is good enough to ask Prof's consideration. Good luck.

Dr. Yahye is mixing several things together. Surely, he knows that one of the consequences of civil wars is development stagnation. Prolonged civil wars beget anarchy and anarchy begets economic stagnation. Public institutions are impacted big time. To point the potholes and deterioration of public facilities is very disingenuous of him. Having said that, Mogadishu clearly has security problem and the TFG Mogadishu faction don’t deny that. The point of contention is how the security problem can be successfully resolved. On this point, the TFG Mogadishu faction is dead wrong. They oppose Abdullahi and hence all his proposals right or wrong. First, they had issue with frontline states for obvious reasons. When that hurdles is passed, they turned 180 degree and questioned the FTs by making the case that they will make Mogadishu safe enough for the TFG to do business for the country. As of today, roadblocks increased in number, the ports are not open, militia clans have not made up their differences, “Maxkamadaha†have refused to take part in the whole effort. Any reasonable person (forget about the cheerleaders and doomsayers) can see through the incompetence of these men as far as the security of Mogadishu is concerned. A lot of ego, business interest, and power that cannot be reconciled are involved in this. Only outside, unbiased, nuetral, and independent force can deal with the disarmament issue. Abdullahi cannot operate in Jowhar without reigniting the civil war. I don’t think anyone (significant folk), as far as I know, denies the need: a) to secure Mogadishu, b) of independent disarmament personnel whom armed factions can trust with their weapons, c) of genuine reconciliation in which all the properties be private or public are returned to their rightful owners. Abdullahi is not the man for this job (reconciliation period). I know his supporters are full of him and any criticism however justified is akin to blasphemy. But the fact of the matter is the man has made blunder after blunder. Let me break it down for all of you (especially Xiin). 1. He made promises he couldn’t keep to men who can block the TFG’s effort. In politics, one must be careful to distinguish the masses from shrewd political party bosses. Public has very short span of memory and generally are forgiving in most cases whereas politicians are very opportunistic and he who double crosses them will pay later in one form or the other. In the Nairobi run up election, a lot of deals have been made under the table, hands have exchanged bundles of money and men of political ambition have reached some sort of understanding. It has been said that Qanyare, Ceydiid, and Abdullahi had reached understanding as to how the chart of political power would like after the election is won. Abdullahi has not kept his word and frankly could not. 2. FTs issue. There are a lot of persisting rumors. But let’s stick with the facts for a moment. Abdullahi single-handedly made the decision. Most of the delegates found out the details of the FTs in Addis Ababa. Many significant power players have not been consulted with nor asked their consent as government ministers and parliament members. Most of them heard the news from mobile calls made by the delegates. This is not how powerless, yet-to be reconcilled, and exile government in the post conflict period supposed to behave. 3. Abdullahi played the most important card he had at his disposal prior the game. The only card he has at his disposal was the enhanced political standing he has gained from the outcome of the Nairobi conference. As president-elect he has the privilege of conversing with the head of states especially with front-line states and IGAD member states. The first thing he requested from them was the FTs agenda. He has not made the effort necessary to pass the resolution first. He could’ve asked the parliament to do so by withholding the cabinet ministers nominations. He could’ve used that carrot as the incentive for his agenda. 4. Every time he opens his mouth, he alienates one segment of the population. He sure doesn’t sound presidential. He sound combative, arrogant, confrontational, and undiplomatic. I've always wondered what his advisers do whenever he makes a blunder in speeches and interviews. 5. He has chosen Ethiopia and et al over US, EU, and et al. He was overtaken by the victory in Nairobi and hence he forgot that was the beginning of the real deal. US, EU, and Arab league made very clear that their support and recognition as well of the TFG is linked in his government becoming operational in Mogadishu and non-aggressive approach to SL issue. As of today the TFG is on the pocket of IGAD states and if they withdrew their support the whole thing falls apart. 6. He refused the service of experienced retired leaders. I heard that nowadays no one could go past Abdullahi in-laws, cousins, and loyal friends. It’s impossible to talk to him they said. To be continued....this is an opinion.

^I know Boys don’t turn the table on me ADNAAN you brought Keyd by urself . The proceeding in which the whole article is deriving its premise is based on the rebellion and the verdict in and of itself is what the author is basing on his conclusion. Capisci? LANDER won’t make any more assumptions where I’m concerned! Ameen to that. That’s a progress. Now there are no legal ramifications in this as far as the Act of Union is concerned. You know that. For starters Somalia has been a member of international community for 45+ years and it’s legal standing as a state have never been questioned. Nevertheless, if this piece impressed you that much (probably it fits in ur preconceived notion) think of it this way. This is a trail. The trail took place when the Somalia (6 months old) had many conflicting judicial problems (two different colonial systems) and the country retained its former masters to help sort the mess out. What you have is an Indian defense lawyer hired from Mombasa, Italian adviser acting as a prosecutor, and British judge. All foreigners!!! Furthermore, the case was not about the constitutional validity of the union. Now how does that raise a legal implication after 45+ years? The Act of Union sealed the fate of the former British Somaliland as we know it. The whole world accepted it. I can understand if someone argues that the Northern interest had not been well advocated or well represented in the run up negotiation prior to the actual union. I can also understand if one says that the Northern representatives were outplayed or outsmarted by their Southern counterparts. I can give that kinda talk to a sympathetic ear! :cool: However, anyone who doesn’t understand the 1961 referendum in which the majority of Somalis said YES to the Act (part of the constitution) needs help in legal dept. Yaa la caroon akhyaarta...waa sheeko waxaan meesha ku heynaa e.

Thanks for the correction gabanka (cliche it is indeed) Yes. Check the reference I provided and let me know if that suffices or not.

Clap clap for the french fluency Clannish groupthink ideology have no legs to stand. There are no hard facts in this propaganda he is copy-pasting on SOL forum. Hate me What else can u do...u don't have facts to back up with this revised history of urs. Put up or shut up as the popular clique goes.

^ Odey yar oo pissed off. Well what ever makes ur day ADNAAN. Here on SOL we challenge folks to put up or shut up. Facts are needed not opinions of other passionate secessionists sxb. History is not a revised propoganda write up. History is what had actually taken place. Time to get the facts straight ADNAAN. First thing first, I hope you understand the difference between integration (after the fact) and union. Second, I also hope you understand the relevance of the so called British magistrate operating in sovereign jurisdiction. Now let’s get down to it. The much hyped Keyd. Here is the context in which the rebellion took place. Link is provided. â€Dissatisfaction at the distribution of power among the clan families and between the two regions boiled over in December 1961, when a group of British-trained junior army officers in the north rebelled in reaction to the posting of higher ranking southern officers (who had been trained by the Italians for police duties) to command their units. The ringleaders urged a separation of north and south. Northern noncommissioned officers arrested the rebels, but discontent in the north persisted.†Source: Chapter: From Independence to Revolution Section: Problems of National Integration. Country study: Somalia. Federal Research Division, Library of Congress. Clearly this not so well planned rebellion outburst has nothing to do with secession (or coup for that matter) and everything to do with what is known in the west “office politikingâ€. Who is in charge and who is not makes some people jealous and in some cases angry. Keyd was an angry junior officer who didn’t have what it takes to be senior officer. Why? Next quote can shed some light on this issue. “Meanwhile, in British Somaliland the civilian colonial administration attempted to expand educational opportunities in the protectorate. The number of Somalis qualifying for administrative posts remained negligible, however. The protectorate had experienced little economic or infrastructural development apart from the digging of more bore wells and the establishment of agricultural and veterinary services to benefit animal and plant husbandry. Comprehensive geological surveys failed to uncover exploitable mineral resources.†Source: Chapter: Imperial partition. Section: Trusteeship and Protectorate: The Road to Independence. Country study: Somalia. Federal Research Division, Library of Congress Check it out

^here we go again . Misinfo continues. I once read somewhere that if u tell a lie long enough and loud enough folks will swallow the crap or even worse will propagate farther! Keyd was not a general. There was no coup. Keyd was demoted and forced to take orders from a ranking officer with far superior qualification. Blame the Brits as they were not generous enough to educate its subjects. He naturally protested and he was accused of and charged with mutiny. Guess who appointed the new ranking officer in the first place, prosecuted Keyd and found him guilty! This info are readily available but folks like u take this crap at face value...why? Get a grip sxb! It ain’t happening and other Somali are not the ones holding SL back. Get many many more in-laws like Drysdale , Iqbal n other opportunistic lobbyist and have them do a better job @ offices that matter .

Sovereignty hangs on in Europe George Will (Washington Post columnist - Conservative) May 29, 2005 WASHINGTON -- The European Union, which has a flag no one salutes and an anthem no one knows, now seeks ratification of a constitution few have read. Surely only its authors have read its turgid earnestness without laughing, which is one reason why the European project is foundering. On Sunday in France, and Wednesday in Holland, Europe's elites -- political, commercial and media -- may learn the limits of their ability to impose their political fetishes on restive and rarely consulted publics. The European project is the transformation of ``Europe'' from a geographic into a political denotation. This requires the steady drainage of sovereignty from national parliaments, and the ``harmonization'' of most economic and social policies. But if any of the EU's 25 member nations rejects the proposed constitution -- 11 have ratified it or are in the process of doing so -- it shall not come into effect. And if French voters in Sunday's referendum reject it, Dutch voters will be even more likely to do so in their nation's first referendum in 200 years. Source Considering the French vote, what is the prospect of EU becoming a counterweight to US hegemony as Chirac have wished? Will Tony go ahead and hold referundum even though the constitutional treaty has been rejected and made Null by French saying NO?

^piece of cake...if u really wanna kno...few clicks won't get on ur way; right? Originally posted by Kaleidoscopic: p.s.s. I dont know why I must be called a man-eater of all things. That really hurts (yes, even I am a human being with feelings sometimes ). But I guess I deserved it. I'll leave u alone Baashi . The "looming friendly confrontation" has been evaded. And I thought u of all pple were a tough cookie. My appologies...I edited my post. Don't waste ur monies on Zep. This lady got ethics n awesome akhlaaqiyaad...it's in her blood STOIC, the feeling is mutual sxb. Def i'll let u know if n when i'm coming over. ATL is the black mecca indeed. I've been there in '02 (stopped by couple og nights on my way to Orlando).

^ Nin reer Mudug ah ayaa Xamar berri yimid. Saqdii dhexe mar Muslimku wada seexaday buu reero albaabkooda garaacay. Saa nin hurdeysan baa ka furay. Reer Muddugii: Ina adeer sow xaafadii inna hebel ma hah? Ninkii gurriga lahaa: Haa! hebel adoogey waaye Reer Muddugii: Hadde waxaan sheegahayaa ninkii inna hebel hebel hebel ahaa ee ogow? Ninkii gurriga lahaa: maxaa see camal waaye. Addi NSS maa tahay see ahaan waaye. Reer Muddugii: Alla hooyadii u ekaa Ina adeer waxaa la yiraahdaa hebel hebel oo waxaan ahay ninka dad kuu xiga. Haatanna salaanta baan kula dhaafi waayey ee shido ma jirto...waxaan ku weydiiyey meeqa wiil baad leedahay? Ninkii gurriga lahaa: Yaa saatiriin adi see kaa noqotay meza note aa la joogaa aa reero dadow minankooda aa iska imaahee...maalin cadeey ii imow hee ..waa lagu habee haa...ar dadkaaneeti intee laga keeney.

Zep, don’t u see the whole thread becomes pointless; in that regard, u r a party pooper numero uno. And no my age in itself is not an offending info. Juxa, u too know that. Ameenah, Zephyrine, and Juxa plz don’t tell just have them dig the info for themselves...will u?

My man Checkmate taxki carabi?...xataa inta...anna ma shuufti cimri abada somal ma yafham carabi...! there goes my broken carabi. Gufaaco = Burqad? corrections wlcomed