Marwo Aamina the blessed one, no to answer ur question. It just so happened that the ones who are pushing these kind of legislation are predominantly women who subscribe to the feminist agenda. I admit the fact that feminism has become so diverse that the use of the word without qualifier is not a good idea...but it's okay to tickle some folks by throwing in sometimes.

Nur, Good analysis as always bor Nur. Gotta question for you. Do you see parallels in what the "terrorists" are doing in the West and what the nomadic rule that our Somali Anarchists have been practising time in memorial preaches: Nin la dilay nin baa loo dilaa waaa dekanadiisiiye?

Hibooy heedhe ina adeer gaarisanidaa. Wacade nin ku helay kaama tago ... Ahmed Naaji bal mar ugu dhufo Hibo...he goes like with his unique melody: Alla Gaarida gaarida haween, Alla Alla gaarida haween, ... .. . Heeyaa hey hey yaa,

Athena, if what some of the so called liberated and enlightened feminist want is a level playing field "this is it". I trust you are not one of them

If you read the report, its authors are trying to pull the rug under the old man. In fact they implicitly call yet another reconcilliation conference for they consider this TFG as divisive and provocative as well. You see Suldaanka sidaa aad u degdegtay

Actually I was upset There was nothing uplifting in this report. I was displeased...

Knock knock ladies...may I...thanx. Helping wifey and sharing the house chores is not a courtesy in Spain anymore. It's the law. Mucho man must do the dishes.

Originally posted by Suldaaanka: Bashi This time the ICG has put up something to your liking and you seem very happy. hmmm :eek: Awoowe waad degdegtay . I merely posted informative and relevant report. I didn’t comment on it yet. Originally posted by LANDER: quote:Originally posted by Baashi: Executive Summary Full report in pdf file FYI, CGI is a high profile interest group . ^ most would refer to it as a non-profit, non-governmental organization (NGO) but I guess no article can escape a prelude from our chief political analyst here at SOL. If u say so SOL chief Editor-at-Large Yes ICG is a non-profit and NGO. It's an interest group. But make no mistake this is not your typical NGO. They don’t feed the poor or champion debt forgiveness cause. They deal with political contraversies that cause armed conflicts. I view them as a think tank who have a specific political interests. They analyse political situations of countries such as ours and make ill-equipped and uninformed conclusions. They then take the role of loppyists and advocacy groups and impose their panecea-like political recommendations by trageting key decision-makers (positions they themselves held at one time or another) and their other valuable contacts.

Ngonge, No one (in his right mind) supports those that murder innocent people. I for one don’t. That being said, I think you are misreading the argument of those who disagreed with your characterization of the Western transgressions against the weak nations as being justifiable or even acceptable (under the International law). I disagree with this characterization. Yes, war can only be waged under legitimate authority. Since the faceless terrorists (vigilante citizens attacking another country at will) represent no citizens, their war is unjust war. That much is agreed. What I don’t agree is the argument that those civilians who die at the hands of stronger state waging UNJUST war is justifiable or less evil. “Collateral Damageâ€, “Surgical Attackâ€, and “Smart or guided bombs†do kill innocent people. They are dropped intentially in a metropolitan area like London (in this case Baqdad) as long as they do the job regardless of the human cost. The priority is to handicap the regime by any means necessary and to lessen the casualty of invading army. You seem to be arguing that this kind of loss of civilians came about in a familiar War declared and waged by known state that loudly claims her willingness to follow the rules of engagement at the discretion of its generals on the field! But you leave one glaring fact: the fact the war in itself is UNJUST! Because it is unjust war, any civilians killed in circumstances they didn't create is as evil as the ones that lost their lives in London. Let me take it further! One can cite Horishima and dazzle the audience with stories of how many thousands of Japanese school children perished at the hands of civilized Uncle Sam. Where does this fact leave your argument in elevating the loss of civilian lives lost in acts of unorganized violence (terrorism) over that of organized and declared violence?

^ looooooooooool @ kuunto wixii loo kuuse karaamo lee ma ahinoo...never heard of this one...nice one dang. 1. Waa la moodaa, minii la moodi waayana, waa la muusaa. 2. Luuq-luuq ka baxoow, laasim laamiyaas ku geehaa. 3. I jiid iyo aan ku jiido, aan is jiidno lee ma'ahinoo. Reer Benadir kuwa ay wax ka badeleen: 4. Labo qaawan waa u tooste (original: isma qaado). 5. Nin daad qaaday waa ku deeye (oroginal: xumbo cuskay).

Axem! The other side of the coin ... Check it out.

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Executive Summary Full report in pdf file FYI, CGI is a high profile interest group. One can't help but acknowledge the impressive names in its board of trustees. Take a look: Chair Lord Patten of Barnes Former European Commissioner for External Relations, UK President & CEO Gareth Evans Former Foreign Minister of Australia Executive Committee Morton Abramowitz Former U.S. Assistant Secretary of State and Ambassador to Turkey Emma Bonino Member of European Parliament; former European Commissioner Cheryl Carolus Former South African High Commissioner to the UK; former Secretary General of the ANC Maria Livanos Cattaui* Former Secretary-General, International Chamber of Commerce Yoichi Funabashi Chief Diplomatic Correspondent & Columnist, The Asahi Shimbun, Japan William Shawcross Journalist and author, UK Stephen Solarz* Former U.S. Congressman George Soros Chairman, Open Society Institute William O. Taylor Chairman Emeritus, The Boston Globe, U.S. *Vice-Chair Adnan Abu-Odeh Former Political Adviser to King Abdullah II and to King Hussein; former Jordan Permanent Representative to UN Kenneth Adelman Former U.S. Ambassador and Director of the Arms Control and Disarmament Agency Ersin Arioglu Member of Parliament, Turkey; Chairman Emeritus, Yapi Merkezi Group Diego Arria Former Ambassador of Venezuela to the UN Zbigniew Brzezinski Former U.S. National Security Advisor to the President Victor Chu Chairman, First Eastern Investment Group, Hong Kong Wesley Clark Former NATO Supreme Allied Commander, Europe Pat Cox Former President of European Parliament Ruth Dreifuss Former President, Switzerland Uffe Ellemann-Jensen Former Minister of Foreign Affairs, Denmark Mark Eyskens Former Prime Minister of Belgium Leslie H. Gelb President Emeritus of Council on Foreign Relations, U.S. Bronislaw Geremek Former Minister of Foreign Affairs, Poland I.K. Gujral Former Prime Minister of India Carla Hills Former U.S. Secretary of Housing; former U.S. Trade Representative Lena Hjelm-Wallén Former Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Affairs Minister, Sweden James C.F. Huang Deputy Secretary General to the President, Taiwan Swanee Hunt Chair of Inclusive Security: Women Waging Peace; former U.S. Ambassador to Austria Asma Jahangir UN Special Rapporteur on Extrajudicial, Summary or Arbitrary Executions; former Chair Human Rights Commission of Pakistan Shiv Vikram Khemka Founder and Executive Director (Russia) of SUN Group, India James V. Kimsey Founder and Chairman Emeritus of America Online, Inc. (AOL) Bethuel Kiplagat Former Permanent Secretary, Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Kenya Wim Kok Former Prime Minister, Netherlands Trifun Kostovski Member of Parliament, Macedonia; founder of Kometal Trade Gmbh Elliott F. Kulick Chairman, Pegasus International, U.S. Joanne Leedom-Ackerman Novelist and journalist, U.S. Todung Mulya Lubis Human rights lawyer and author, Indonesia Ayo Obe Chair of Steering Committee of World Movement for Democracy, Nigeria Christine Ockrent Journalist and author, France Friedbert Pflüger Foreign Policy Spokesman of the CDU/CSU Parliamentary Group in the German Bundestag Victor M. Pinchuk Member of Parliament, Ukraine; founder of Interpipe Scientific and Industrial Production Group Surin Pitsuwan Former Minister of Foreign Affairs, Thailand Itamar Rabinovich President of Tel Aviv University; former Israeli Ambassador to the U.S. and Chief Negotiator with Syria Fidel V. Ramos Former President of the Philippines Lord Robertson of Port Ellen Former Secretary General of NATO; former Defence Secretary, UK Mohamed Sahnoun Special Adviser to the United Nations Secretary- General on Africa Ghassan Salamé Former Minister Lebanon, Professor of International Relations, Paris Salim A. Salim Former Prime Minister of Tanzania; former Secretary General of the Organisation of African Unity Douglas Schoen Founding Partner of Penn, Schoen & Berland Associates, U.S. Pär Stenbäck Former Minister of Foreign Affairs, Finland Thorvald Stoltenberg Former Minister of Foreign Affairs, Norway Grigory Yavlinsky Chairman of Yabloko Party and its Duma faction, Russia Uta Zapf Chairperson of the German Bundestag Subcommittee on Disarmament, Arms Control and Non-proliferation Ernesto Zedillo Former President of Mexico; Director, Yale Center for the Study of Globalization

How serious Bob? My thoughts and prayers are with our sis Diamente. May Allah's raxmah be with her.

Glad to see u all made it safe. My prayers and thoughts are with SOL nomads and their relatives (if any) who have been affected by this cowardly act of indiscriminate killings. Likewise, my heart goes out to all the innocent folks and their loved ones who have been affected by this tragic incident.

^Conspiracy theory! How come some finals r only four games (one team sweeping the other in all four games) if the games are fixed to maximize profits. Pistons all the way! I've been rooting for pistons for quite sometimes now n look at them goin' for the second. Game 5 was one of the best games that I've seen lately...I cursed Robert Horry that night... TONIGHT is the NIGHT. Cheerios/popcorn with shaah cadeys r in order. Appologies to Oefleh for the irrelevant post.

Originally posted by Sky: Baashi ma wax waalan baad tahay adiga? First of all I never said it was someone in the SOL forum, I said the Somali Online community, that could be from Paltalk to any private chatroom. It's a man who even glorifies his bloody past and I don't know him, Ive only seen his posts and the reactions to his posts. If you want to report him to the police, I'll PM you the info. Other than that naga aamus. Joke kulaha, I'm deeply offended by your dumb allegations. Besides did you actually think I have such deep hate towards some members in this site? Are you feeling allright ninyahow? Because you certainly don't know who you're talking to. My appologies to u Sky.

It has been said that men who instigate break ups (btw two lovers with intention to unite in Hallal matrimony) convincing themselves that they are looking out for their pal are fidmowadayaal numero uno. Back home we were raised with the belief that gossiping is not for men and beferiending men with such character deficit is not beneficial and one oughta heed the advice Kuu sheekeeye, kaa sheekeeya, ha la sheekeysan. Having said that, one shouldn't confuse hearsay that you hear so and so did so and so in the past in "waxaa la yiri" format with brother tying the knot with someone who has say HIV. The latter is not only a felony but a serious danger to the spouse and the future kids the couple may have in the future. An incident like this has happened in Seattle where a lady (maxajabad) who was very popular in the masjid and "ikhwaan" circles concelaed from her potential husband the fact that she has a HIV. It took a complete stranger, a fellow Somali, to tip the husband-to-be about this. Rumors had it that she had different interprators and it was one of them who blew the whistle on her. Clearly this is an exception. But if we are talking about prostitutes, gold diggers, and what not it's highly advicable to let your fellow friend do the homework for himself/herself. I'm of the opinion that advantages outweigh the disadvantages for the new couples are joining in halal matrimony. The rule of thumb to be within the circle of anshaxa iyo akhlaaqiyaadka wanaagsan is a) not to volunteer any info (except something like HIV) b)if asked tell only what u know (first hand) not what you've heard from others and c)not to act as the groom and inject ur preferences into ur pal's decision making. No bun intended. Just an opinion.

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Maan Deeq u know I would be in a big trouble if fluency alone can make one a suspect . However, I take solace the fact that many nomads will be implicated including ahem... Yes the thought is terrifying but put that kinda thought in the back burner. Or you will be paranoid forever

By "amongst" do u mean in SOL forum community or the Diaspora? YES, it is very likely that there are sizable killers living in midst of our communities. However, I wouldn't use Somali fluency as positive indicator of the act.

^^^^ hadana kix kix kax. Big ups to my boy BOB. Buddy u sure got a sense of humor. What a humble guy! Dadka qaar waaba ila dagaali lahaayeen hadaan ku dhihi lahaa "qaad-addict JOKORE" But my boy BOB is bigger than that he knows the street smart and degree from school of hard knocks is a badge of honor to showcase. Inna Odoow as they say down in Garisa Janaay; Inna Aabo u r def'ly an emerging poet with qadiyad that reaches as high as stratsphere...keep ur chin up pal. Sxb maxaa i habaareysaana GEEL BEELE CAANO BEELE is curse like no other dee. Without she-camel life is dull in QOOQAANI-HUUSINGOOW-KULBIYOOW triangle...with Lo' and geeso-yar alone no ODAY can get by and u know that! Take it back or else! Btw lovely Barwaaqo and petite Athena knew that the gathering needed an ODAY to bless the whole thing and they wisely let me pass without any disrespect. The rumor has it that NGONGE, CHECKMATE, and UNDER DOG have not been that lucky. Also let it be known that the LION-TEASER and GUHAAD the-thunder-man brought in a fake trophy - it was not a genuine DHIIL full of CAANO GAROOR! Who won again? AL-FACSHIR news is Arabic...wanna be original sxb - "Waxaa la yiri" is as Somali as it can get.

Thanks for the clarification Zephyrine. We are now on the same page as far as the need not to generalize is concerned. I also agree with you on the point that each of us “reaches their own conclusions†from whatever issues that’s being observed. You are sure entitled your own opinions. However, no one is entitled to their own facts and the fact of the matter is that “Somali model of married life†is not a generic one. The good, the bad, and the ugly are all there. Highlighting the bad and the ugly (even though you said these are the only ones you have encountered so far) is not a fair assessment of the overall picture methinks. That’s all! and you have rightly clarified this for all of us lest some of the nomads misunderstood what you have said in your post.

Northener, Would I consider settling in white sand village as “Somaliweyn†with graceful cawaale playing with the wind in peace on my roof? Absolutely Yeah Bajunis and Gosha folks up in Sanguuni used to look out for their brothers and do their thing just the same way Bulls used to make use of this useful voodoo art aka sixir!! I’m sure you guys have also heard that Kismayo folks used to watch the game back in the days on a baaf too! Maxaa ii keenteen . Suldaan, I take that back. Togdheer might have scored one or two goals against Kismayo. Banadir and SH/Hoose had been the main stoppers of the unstoppable Kismayo. Well I don’t remember that much but one thing that I wouldn’t forget is the jubilant reer waqooyi fans chanting: Fargeeto timo fargeeto, Ku feedhe maqas ku feedhe, And the ones who were chanting these slogans had the kinkiest hair I’ve ever seen in my life on labo goodle’s head. I’ve always thought “we†were carab but little I knew there were folks who thought they were “the†bilis .

For the record, the talented Bob has been pocketing bundles of Shillings from Juxa and the whole sis gang. Waxaa la yiri news is reporting that Bob the qaat-addict jokore from Isiloo (siyooloow) made a lot of money (under the table) on his latest write up the Caano Garroor award review for Warba Ma Heysaan magazine . Anonymous sources that have contacted to Waxaa la yidhi news have confirmed that eleven kilo of miiroow, two kilo of Hareeri, and nus kilo and tumin of Garaabo bribe was all it took to make him report in favor of the payees. Nomads, it’s the money that makes him talk this way . On a serious note, Bob put smile on my face. Creative and talented, that he is. All the faryareey on my limbs up. Sooma daayoow ha igu soo deyn Bal maxaa i wata.