^Bye bye Athena Finally! With all due respect, LF speak for urself. Many posters have already disagreed with the poster. Now one simple question and a follow up: Are you sure there is no correlation between submitting to the Islamic directives and your level of Iman? Now, the follow up question: do you think being caariyaad (that tight jeans and that lil toptankl with cleavage wide view) constitute as being violation against Islamic dress code? I guess we are going somewhere with this

^ Good Farta iyo meesha bugtaa is og! No! I didn't make any assumptions. Non-practicing Muslims are too many in the community. The topic has something to do with Hijab and Caano Geel is busy beating around the bush and has yet to make any reasonable objection! Don't take it personal Athena. Do you really think I give rat's behind whether you engage or not? Do you, really? Man! This is funny wallahi! Plz make sure you close the door when you make that staged exit. Is there any1 who would like to talk about the prevailing trends in regard of Islamic garbs among Muslim women? Any1 contesting the observation of the distinct groups among Muslim women in relation to the Hijab? Any1 wanna talk about the ralationship between believing in something and puting these believes in practice? Any1 wanna explain how this article is women bashing? Let's hear it for once! Xiin, Awoowe maxaa kuu baxay? Breadwinning that I can handle but the art of moving in circles is what I have yet to figure out!

In 1977 the clannish fervency that you are having now were under check. Somali state went to war. Whether that war was right or not is different topic for another time. It was the Somali state that welcomed the refugees under the executive order of the strongman at the time. It beats me why you are trying so hard to portray history this way Suldaan. Nimanka la dulmiyay ee waliba lagu eedaynayo inay diinta daacad u yihiin waqtigaa ka hiiliyey. Awoowe adduun galinba waa ceyn. Waa ayaan darro hadii nin Muslim ah oo misana jinsiyadiisu Somali tahay oo nabad iyo daris wanaag biday Hargeysa in aqalka lagala baxo oo cadaw gacanta loo galiyo. Awoowe isu hambalyeeya waa adduune.

My needle-vision? Don't personalize it? Me! I did that? Hmmm! Athena don't be so obvious sis This is not about me. FYI your expectation of me has not been noted but rather ignored. Baashi is Baashi and has strong opinions and will share them without stepping anybody's toes. Capisci Athena! And for crying out loud don't bring Castro and Brown vs. Baashi past exchanges to this interesting one. Now, lets not forget about one thing: one article can't possibly cover all the angles. It would have been nice if that is possible. As to labelling charge, that might be the case but I strongly doubt it. What's very interesting in the protesters line about women bashing is that they don't contest the validity of Nur's observation. Their point amounts nothing but he didn't address many other issues in this short and particular article! Is there anyone here on SOL that can contest with straight face that Nur's observation on how Muslim women dress in general and Somalis in particular can be summarized into three distinct groups? Any! I would like to hear it plz. Or is he at fault because he observed and commented on dress codes and social trends of the day? Or the implicit connection that he made on belief systems and practical implementation of these belief systems are at issue here? Caano Geel sxb there is no need for appology, I have taken none. You are reading stuff into the post there is no intentional women bashing. It defeats the purpose of the whole post if that were the case.

Caano, Let's get one thing straight. Commentary on social issues is legitimate in journalism as well as water cooler corner; No? Now calling names to my sister or any other individual is not only impolite but it is also against the rules. Why? Because once you resort to name-calling you personalize the issue. I just can't see you going down this route saaxiib. I really don't! I commend you on standing up for our sisters for you perceived the whole post as one targeted agaisnt the fair sex. Don't trivilized it sxb. The way I undesrtood the post is it's about Islam. Iman is the starting point of embracing Islam as a way of life. Once you commit yourself to the ideals and concept Islam advocates for, the expectation is to follow through. The author is commenting on social and as well religious issue. He has every right to do so. New York Times do it. Every Joe and Sally do just that. I find it quite disheartening for you and others to twist the brothers' comments into being labels or one that borders sexism. It is hight opportune to recognize the difference between personal insults and social commentary. This topic is simple. It is about, among other things, Islamic dress code. Those who have deep convictions and the knowledge of how important Hijab is put on the garments without resistance and excuse. I absolutely understand why the non-practising sisters would protest. That is quite understandabvle. Where is Caano Geel coming from?

Suldaanka, There is a political contest between Ethiopian oppressive regime vs. Somali freedom fighters in our neighboring country. Why do the bidding of the stronger side and tight the robe on the weaker party's neck? Why my friend? Don't spin it in answering this simple question saaxiib. As to the topic I agree with Libaax. Hargeisa regime scored big and I mean BIG. Adduunyo.

Shez, Abaayadiis with all due respect you're missing the point. This is not about Nur. This about our view in matters of large importance. Nur has consistently advocated for one world view. I share that world view with him and other members of SOL. He doesn't get it right all the time every time in all articles. He is human and to err is human. However, he is known quantity doing the bidding of known world view in a persuasive, rational, and creative manner. I have no problem with members dissenting, scuritinizing, and refuting anyone. I don't like (I can live with though) folks who, in their protestation, don't make tangible refutation. As to booing and cheering comment. Yes. But don't mistake that being a blanket check for approval. For the most part, it is informal way of agreeing or disagreeing. After all this is a forum. In addition, it is the case that some folks you have agreed in this post might post something that you can't possibly agree with and hence it's more likely that you disagree. If you are hinting the fact that some folks are sometimes taking sides without looking into the gist of the article and taking a principled stand, you are not wrong. Finally, there is a lot of thinking going on in SOL. We're not just agreeing each other methinks. Caano Geel, Yes. Remember I wrote it.

Here is my hasty reply. Didn't get time to compose a thoughtfull write-up to show you how important politics as a profession and politicians as class are to the society at large. It will suffice to say that some politicians as you rightly describe it ofte resort to quesionable tactics in order to secure the position they seek. I don't support these sleezy kinda politicians nor do I condone the questionable tactics they use. Be that as it may, the positions they hold are extremely important. Budget appropriations, levying taxes, enacting laws that can take away yours rights and mine or curbing religious freedom all these come under political realm. You will recall, I gather, Mandela, Malcolm X, Gandi, and King's role in emancipating or help roll the wheel of liberation of millions of subjugated people. They were politicians par excellent. They were fighting for justice and in so doing they have engaged the political processes in place at the time. Bro Nur you can't sit back and hold your breath when rights of so many or the future of a generation is at stake. Granted a decent, principled, and moral man would not want to be part of sleezy business where lying, bribing, corrupting, and what not is the order of the day. You don't have to be that kinda fella. Nevertheless one can be agent of change for the better and one can't go down this road without becoming a politician in the true sense of the word. Saaxiib I value peace with justice so much so I'm willing to engage with few questionable characters with the intent of changing the whole game to the better. It is important to recognize that leadership in any noble cause requires people skills and understanding the art of leading and persuading folks to embrace your call. Once you do that you cross the bridge from a commoner to a politician. Excuse my incoherence I'm really short of time and I only log on from work where I have a lot going on. I hope you do understand the importance of leadership and the importance of championing a cause and how these activities intersect and some cases converge with the art of politics where justice, authority, freedom, and law take the center stage.

Tee saxib?

^Adduunyo. The observation on the dress code among Somali xaawaleey fits the bill quite well. Farta iyo meesha buktaa is og saying comes to mind when one reads how strongly some of the folks protest against Nur's simple observation. One can't help but see garden variety of dress codes among Somalis and how some embrace Hijab, some disdain it, and some neither embrace nor disdain but cross dress. The fact of the matter is that Islam has a dress code and its adherents are expected to abide the instructions of their religion. Some happily oblige doing what they are required to do by their religious dictates. Others don't have the discipline nor the inner security to consistently follow through their commitments, and others wanted to have it both ways. The latter group are known to make a big nasty noise when someone talks about the issue. Transistor description is so right on the money

I have read the US position as well as UN one. Now EU takes the same line. In essence, no recognition unless the two factions agree to resolve their difference and move on. An unlikely prospect! So what to do? We all know how critical the support of these international bodies are in conflict resolution, diplomatic recognition (and awesome perks that comes with it), and nation-building. Here is my hunch. Jowhar and Mogadishu are their way on a collision course. I don't think the strong man in Jowhar know how to blink and frankly it is not even in his vocabulary. Likewise, the confusing herd that makes up the ministers-turned-warlords are in a container and don't know how to back off from the political bottle-neck they put themselves in. If the alliances and coalitions from Juba and Bay materialize we are going to see a repeat of 90s civil war. Not what the Kenya conference organizers had in mind. Militarily and logistically speaking, this kind of war in this kind of geographical location, Jowhar is likely to lose the battle unless Ethiopia clears the Beledweyne corridor and channels the necessery logistics through that channel. Oil and amunition will be the critical commodities and Mogadishu got plenty of it plus Marka and Kismayo ports. Ceel Macaan makeshift port can ease Jowhar's problems but so far they didn't make their minds up and they will most likely fall in line as the hype of D domination and Ethiopians are coming are perfected into the art of nomadic propoganda. On the other hand, the herds don't have anything in common except they all despise Abdullahi and secretly want to undermine his nominal presidency. Caydiid, Bashir, and other sub-sub clans that are politicall ally, not triball, with Jowhar (there is big difference here) can in return undermine the other factions unity by divide et impera card. The hype of civil war can evaporate if and when Geedi a Mogadishu native arrives with backing of his clan. Abdiqasim and Caato lot will be hard pressed to attack Geeddi and his enterouge. So is Yallaxow. All this for the good of clan unity. Mogadishu is too complicated a city and we would be surprised if there is a repeat of civil war within the natives and dominant Centeral Somalia clan confederacy. Which leads mme to revisit why Geeddi is coming to Mogadishu next week and not CabdiCasiis xaafad but Ceydiids turf and the symbol of the government institutions - Villa Somalia? Is it to secure the money that to be had from the donors and fulfill that annoying condition or is it to make a statetement that Mogadishu is not under the excvlusive control of defected ministers. The few next weeks will be very interesting weeks. Will see how it turns out. Disclaimer: this is an opinion from a nomad thousand miles away from ground ZERO.

Statement by the Presidency on behalf of the European Union on the situation in Somalia The European Union (EU) fully supports the Prime Minister of the Transitional Federal Government of Somalia and his initiative, as stated in his letter of 13 September to the Mogadishu based Ministers, to start, after consultations, holding regular Council of Ministers meetings in Mogadishu. This is a fully Somali owned initiative and the EU urges the Ministers in Mogadishu to respond positively. The EU is pleased to note that the international donor community has agreed to provide funding towards this initiative. The EU believes that this is a very important step towards resolving the outstanding issues confronting the Transitional Federal Institutions and promoting a truly and fully inclusive dialogue. The EU urges all Somalis to embrace the opportunity afforded by this initiative, and stresses the need for all sides to put aside any differences (notably eschewing any threat of violent conflict) to ensure that the Council of Ministers, Parliament and other key Somali stakeholders work together in an inclusive and transparent manner. The European Union however remains concerned at recent reports of military activity and inflammatory statements (notably by extremist elements) and the resulting increase in tension in Somalia. In this context the EU fully supports the statement of 8 September by the UN Secretary General’s Special Representative for Somalia, Francois Lonseny Fall, that there can be no military solution to the problems facing the Somali Federal institutions. The international community has invested heavily in the Somalia reconciliation process and remains ready to support the Transitional Federal Institutions in their efforts to re-establish a functioning state in Somalia. However, any return to violence will inevitably set back the reconciliation process and undo the progress that has been made. The EU therefore calls on all parties to refrain from making military preparations, to refrain from making inflammatory statements and to commit themselves to the peaceful resolution of their differences through inclusive dialogue. In particular, the creation of any national Somali military force should take place in the framework of a National Security and Stabilisation Plan to be developed by the National Security Council, in line with the UNSC Presidential Statement of 14 July 2005. In conclusion, the EU reiterates that the Transitional Federal Charter and the Institutions created by the Somali National Reconciliation Conference constitute the only framework within which the international community can support the emerging governance in Somalia. The Acceding Countries Bulgaria and Romania, the Candidate Countries Turkey and Croatia*, the Countries of the Stabilisation and Association Process and potential candidates Bosnia and Herzegovina, the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, Serbia and Montenegro, EFTA countries Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway, members of the European Economic Area, as well as Ukraine and the Republic of Moldova align themselves with this declaration. * Croatia continues to be part of the Stabilisation and Association Process. Link

Go Le Femme go, Go lady go...same for shez, LZ, Checkmate, and Rudy. Now fellaz ha nagu keen keenina yaah...giving lil tiny tiny minuscle power can make your nose grow fat Muhammed my man you are up there too. Excellent choice :cool: . I don't know but I have always thought Libaax is too busy especially lately with his moves and career changes that he doesn't know who is who in this site. Now that he tabbed this line up I guess I was wrong. Rudy stands out though I gotta tell you guys.

@Transistors. I guess nowadays you can't swim against stream like the salmons do when that season is fast approaching. Any electrical engineers in the house No? Well look it up and see what you make up of Nur's analogy. Very creative, I must admit. All my four faryareeys are up for the creativity category.

Nuuroow I will try to write an essay on this topic time permitting. This is a subject that I have very strong opinions. My take is and have always been that power is an awesome thing. Some abuse it and others use it to advance a noble cause. Politicians are slick, talented, elitist, and have the foresight and the ambition to harness the power tha comes with positions of responsibility they seek to occupy. With good intent and right principles, it's worth the shot. I don't have the time now but will come and elaborate later. Excellent topic by the way. Keep them coming sage.

This is tiring wallahi. Ngonge, Saaxiib in general yes tossing ayat carelessly and without aim, context, or purpose is not only recless but also dangerous. However, in this case, I took Khayr's post as a reminder for all of us that following our whims could lead us to hell literally. That's how I read it. After all we are discussing religion, Islam in particular. We are disagreeing with each other and even some of us are arguing excessively to no avial. Some of us are implicitly asserting that "Islam is not coming" (note my boy JB's post) and they have their own "reasons" to say so. Ayat serving as a reminder, in this context, can only be beneficial methinks. Now, I prefer to reason and state my take, agree with my oponent when such action is warranted and if necessary back up my claims with evidences from my principal sources. Khayr is different character. May be he doesn't feel the necessity of going through such exercise or may be he is not clever enough to try to see things from other prespectives and put himself their shoes and try to understand what makes them tik! There is room for improvement, I say! As to being unfair to my boy Castro, it's possible. Castro and I have an understanding though. We communicate in other venues and I'm confident he would let me know if I inadvertently went too far on this sport. Roob, I don't have issues with Ngonge. I disagree with him on some issues. I don't approve how he's handling the debates relating to Islam. Nevertheless, the man is clear on one thing. He is for Islam. He is for Muslims. He has chosen his camp time and again. He has some strategies in mind (that could put us on the right track) that he would like us too see discussing. He is mainly thinking along political lines, media utilization, and getting into the ring sort to speak with the very folks who malign us with intent to win the argument for our side. Concenterate in Diaspora first. This is how I understood him. Is this a winning strategy? That is debatable! Are there other strategies that can get us to the promise land? Here is where he needs to give other opinions a receptive ear. He is not doing his theisi a favor when he starts with topic sentence like "Islam is the problem". By and large, the man is talented. He can pen a very impressive, coherent, and rational argument. I don't want you to look for cilado. Let's root out the minor obstacles (tone, emotions, and what not) and have Nur, Ngonge, Viking, Mutakalim, Xiin and other knowledgeable fellas who are in the same camp pull the robe for us. Opinions, different takes and views, and dissent as long as they are reasonable and within the "camp", they are all welcomed. Opinions from other camps are aslo welcomed as long as their adherents do not hide (with intent to blurr the lines) the camp they really belong to.

Warkeena inuu Xamdi gaaro ma rabno baaba. Widaay MMA soo ma aha he's alright...I guess he will get by with the bouncer line up oo aan ogohay. Libaax kow dheh, Bishaaro futuc labo dheh , laba jeeble sadex, Ina been-boode afar dheh, Libaax badeed-cad-ka rite...widaay waa la badan yahay goobashana waa okay

Castro, Not bad at all! Okay, let's get down to it. On the flip-flop and wishy-washy charge, you have known to be for and at the sometimes against reforming Islam. Noh? I have never shown contempt for the opinions of others. I have always, without fail, welcomed opinions. I understood all along that reasonable people could always disagree. I only wished these disagreements be based on principles. You are being disingenuinous with your generalization here saaxiib On the site being an open forum for all opinions and viewpoints, true that and rightly so - that I agree. However, some things will never change saaxiib. Principled folks will always resist and even challenge the ones that want to have it both ways. Social mores of particular ethnicity or religious order will always reflect the attitudes and behavior of its adherents. Signatures, which you dubbed as a sign of religiosity (overtly), are reflection of these particular nomads worldview and what have you. If you have noticed honest differences between the nomads who congregate in this forum, you are on the money. There is a wedge between the ones whose conviction in Islam is not open for compromise and those who see them as fanatics. There is where you and I come in. Our views, for the large part, reflect our convictions. I weigh issues according to set of principles and it so happen I got them from known source. Likewise, you weigh the same issue and according to your set of principles. I might change the tone, attitude, or approach I use when sharing my views with other nomads depending on the context. But we drink from the same well to borrow a phrase and as such the taste should be the same. For instance, the starbuck thread fiasco. Sexual orientation is dictated by nature according to your views. I on the other hand thought it's a choice. Here my view is inline with my principles. Yours, however, were not in synch with Islam. Now we gotta problem here mister! Either you conform to the dictates of Islam or you don’t. Ayad qudha ninkii dafira dibada weeyaan is the verdict here. With such record, you agree with me I hope, you are not in a position to be taken seriously in matters relating to Islam. You can always have your opinions but you owe us to reveal your true convictions. So we can have frutful discussion. As it stands now, many folks are confused on where you stand on the spectrum. Knowing where you stand is very helpful. We know how to deal with Muslims. They are one of us, we share the same set of principles and when in dispute we can always go back to that source for validation. If and when they make mishap we can excuse their mishaps as one borne out of ignorance. We also know how to deal with atheists, monotheists, and what not. The likes of Manji, Rushdie, Ayan and other confused souls present us a difficult challenge to all of us. They are neither here nor there publicly! Are you with me here amigo. They flip-flop! Laga jecli lugta jecli kinda people. Many genuine Muslims have yet to figure out how to put these hypocrites where they belong - big time Murtadiin! The undercurrent thing you alluding to has to do with this dilemma. Observe the niceties in the name of progressive open-mindedness and pocket a cobra in your pocket. Or from the get go, state the obvious and say choose your camp first for the line between them is clear! Many folks are willing to accept the loss and direct their energy to the folks they have many things in common. Others afraid that these cobras won’t go away and sooner or later they have to be dealt with. My position has been very well let’s cease the underhand comments at once and see if we can have fruitful discussion where the finer points of the debate are respected and observed. Ngonge, I don’t see anything wrong with Khayr’s post. For crying out loud the man has only posted Qur’anuc verses. Where has Khayr gone wrong saaxiib? Roob, Emotions are getting in the way but Ngonge has good thesis. In case you didn’t noticed he is of the opinion that our energy are spent on matters of lesser concern given the enormity of challenges faced the ummah and too often these challenges are coming from within the ummah rather than from outside. He seems to be stuck at how screen characters are reacting to his posts and other trivial stuff instead of penning some good recommendations as food for thought for discussion. Xiin, God markaan daboolaba far baa, laygu godayaaye Nin gefaaba lay tirinayaa, garasho waa yaabe Waxan ahay nin lagu saan gatoon, raadba soo geline Garraantayda qaar iyo, lag iyo, gaasas baa necebe Gabbashayda duul iyo badh iyo, goosan baan rabine Haddaan gaasho yeeshana dar bay, gawl la leedahaye Hadba waxaan ku guul seegayaa, lama garaystaane Awoowe warkuba waa intaa. Kama agab sokeysaan qabaa Lama garaystaan!. Annigaaba gacan ku gabad ah hadda! Adduunyo! 7 of 9, Agreed.

Widaay soo dhawoow hee. Inna Libaax San ka Taabte in lagu rifaas rabaa ee iska jir hee

Nabad iyo wadahadal bal ha lagu dayo. Warkaasu war xun ma aha.

Good Baashe, engagement is in order (before Rita hits) so expand on the above, will you? What wishy-washy posts in this topic? What is Castro like? And who are these "others" like him? No one calls a spade what it is and I hope you keep me as a fan. None in this topic, I concede. In general though, you're neither here nor there and all over the place. Just like the tracks of 4WD cheep in the sand dunes of shalanbood. As the great poet put it Sida gaari raadkii, ninyahow gees walbaba u jeeda, labada ganniyaan is galin, ninyahaow jeeb isugu geeyay, Walee laba garaadlow kaama guro sheeko! No one knows where the tracks are from or heading. I don't know what to make of Castro the screen character. He is calm but often wrong when it comes to matters of larger concern. He is hip, can distinguish verbs from nouns, and can effectively confuse the debate with his flip-flop style (don't ask me again dee ). He likes to see drama after drama in SOL boards...that's entertainment for him He got thick skin and have a lot of shock absorbers on his head. A difficult nomads if you ask me. Diamond is a diamond when you know it in the first hand but in the virtual world, it is hard to tell. Rita is going to land on, according to the weather men, somewhere between the Northern Mexico and LA. May Allah save you and your family from its destructive power. Aerowen, You are wrong dhuubo. My take is when it comes to religious issues, caution must be exercised. It's not your usual cup of tea methinks. Amigo Castro has yet to acknowledge, in practice (virtual), the care and foresight these kinda topics need. From what I gather, it is all an entertainment for him.

Yes I do. C'mon brother Xiin. You are at fault here saaxiib. Don't stick to your guns. Appology is in order here. Sayed was called son of a dog and any poems composed to refute that cheap shot was somewhat justified. Here Castro has done nothing except his usual wishy-washy posts to entertain himself and others like him at the expense of our convictions.

Xiin, But sharmuud is way too vulgar. I guess an apology is in order. Manly men engage with each other, disagree vehemently, and yet sip shaah together, and call it a day. Sayid went too far on that one when he called names to Ali-Dhuux. But Ali-Dhuux had it coming for he said this to the Sayid of Nugaal: Allahu Akbartu iyo eedaanku waa ka af iyo beene, Ubo weysta waan kugu arkaa iyo agab salaadeede, Haduu wardigu uur kaaga jidho kaama orodneene, Ashahaadey munaafuqu balse waa ehelu naarkiiyee, Abtiyaaladaa iyo ku nace urrurka reer Kheyre... Abtirsiimaahaagu waxuu galaa eyda reer hebele! What has Castro done to you to deserve such provocative swing Castro, Go away amigo just go away...bax, soco, orod. Nur won’t take the bait saaxiib. He almost did at one point but my chaperoning served him well. Ngonge’s post, though long and at times confusing as far as understanding what makes him recoil the way he does whenever he sees lil insignificant mishap in posts related to Islam is concerned, had few good points. Nur acknowledged them, agreed with him on that score, and at the same time stood his ground firmly. That’s how it is done. You see amigo Castro men with real concrete principles who stand for their convictions are few and hard to find nowadays. Nur is one of them. He commands respect among the SOL nomads. He cares about his people. Unlike you and I, he does not come here to entertain himself. He has a mission to accomplish, an agenda to advance, knowledge to spread, and message to pass. If and when a man with such quality makes a lil mishap, correction is in order. Dissent is fine too. However, much depends on the tone of the dissent. Dissenting voice need not be delivered with tone that is dismissive, accusatory, confrontational, or mocking. We've been this road before with no avail...don't you agree Fidel?

Nur and Ngonge, It is time for shaah. Since Nur has made the offer first, the treat is on him. See if you can spare an hour or so in this shaah sipping session for we like to see how graceful you are in your willingness to reach an understanding on many issues. I am too short on time and I just noticed the exchanges that transpired here. Nur saaxiib misunderstanding uga har. I have no doubt that Ngonge means good in his critisim directed at the way Muslims today particularly the ones that call home in the west are oblivious about the dangers poed by other Muslims be westernized strain or the hyper bomb weilding ones. Will finish it later...gotta run sxbyaal.

Very well SB, my hunch is that all humans are fallible. Here I agree in part! However, our prophet’s sayings and conducts are infallible because Mohamed’s actions (pbuh) have been informed and guided by Allah’s divine directives. Therefore, the prophet’s recorded and validated sayings are a source of law. For the prophet's conduct and sayings are moral example for the Muslims to emulate. Now if I understood you correctly you are not saying that Muslims are not obligated to heed the prophet’s narrations and approvals! I mean I can understand if one questions the authenticity of a particular Hadith (need validation) when in doubt but to argue that Muslims are free to reject the Sharicah because it rests its authority on the Qur’an in conjunction with Hadithis is akin of challenging the authority of the prophet himself. Do this and you are challenging, by logical extension, the Qur’an (the very basis of Islam) itself for it reached us through the prophet Mohamed. What will then become of your conviction in Islam being the true religion worthy of practice? My guess is that you are confusing Hadiths with Fiq. I’m not a learned fella (and I stand corrected if I err here) but Hadiths are recorded and validated sayings of prophet Mohamed pbuh whereas fiq is opinions of the classical jurists. The latter can be challenged by knowledgeable and enlightened culima. FYI there is an ayah in the Qur’an that commands the faithful to obey whatever the prophet asks them to do and vice versa. It goes like this: Maa aataakumu rasuulu fakhuthuuhu, wamaa nahaa cankunm fantahuu. Nomads plz correct me and if you would please find the chapter and verse numbers for SB. Allahu Yaclam.