^ Asbax Xaasha awoowe kaftan-dhable aan turxaan ku jirin weeye kaygu ee shido ha ka dhigin. Does Matt Bryden and Ina Iqbal ring a bell Suldaan They are very active in promoting certain cause wouldn't you agree?

Khatif qoryaha guro baa ka dhacday . Blame it on google and the multi-tasking effort I'm engaged in here at the office. You didn't provide the source of the article and I had to google Fred Oluoch. What I should have done is google the heading of the article instead! Old age is definetely a factor in all of this shortcoming from my part . Still this is just Fred Oluoch's opinion and it is not a news. Suldaan tell me the truth buddy is he one of those clever in-laws. I ask this cuz I noticed a trend...

Kix kix kax kux looooooooooooooooooooooooooooool Madadaalo iyo maaweelo show halakan baaba loogu yimaadaa. Bal cagta u dhiga qaraabo. Ok the mighty Somaliland with its huge economical, political, and military leverage is putting “increased pressure†on AU. You swallow such crab that easy. [EDITED] Oh! poor Xarago what a pity! Halkaa miyaad maraysaa qallanjo.

Marwo the Blessed believe me we are all on the same page here. We are just looking the same cube from different angles. Yes you are right there are too many issues to tackle. But remember e-Nuri is one-man-project. He is now looking for contribution from the likes of you. If you strongly feel that the issues closer to home have not been addressed to your liking, why don't you or for that matter other like-minded sisters step in to the plate and fill the gap. It would be interesting to read your take on how to raise a law-abiding, Allah fearing, parent respecting, Somali speaking child in the West in this information age where cable TV, web-surfing, and nintendo games take away all the child's productive hours of the day. These things are attention-grabbing, cool, and fun things kids love to pass their time on. As you can see parents (those who care) are struggling to compete against these toys. Now I take it this topic is something that may interest you as a sister who would love to make a difference and advance the cause of dacwa. What say you Blessed? Got a time to pen your thoughts on this issue? Macruuf corner.

What is the purpose of life? Good question SB. Now there are different asnwers to this question depending on your belief-system. One school of thought asserts that there is no purpose in life. Athiest wielding the science hammer are in this camp. Another school of thought is that of the religion which asserts that there is real purpose in life. Abrahamic creed asserts that the purpose of life is to do good on earth and prevent evil as the revealed Truth dictated. In other words to obey God and live this short and testing life according to his will. There is day of judgment that's coming very soon where the good will be rewarded handsomely. There you have it. Think hard and choose whatever camp puts your soul at peace for inner peace is very important to your health and sanity and dare say long term success. Now if you somehow think that Islam or religion's explanation of the mystery of life, death, eternity, time, and what have you is inadequate to your liking, fine. You are not alone.

My man Sage Nur I beg to differ. In my humble opinion Islam has suffered big time beyond repair because of Bush's neocon policies. 1. Bush has secured permanent basis in the heart of and around Muslim World. In a way he conquerred Muslim lands. The so called independent ones have been neutralized by integrating them into the "allies" bandwagon. 2. Islam has been depicted as evil and nihilistic religion very succesfully. 3. Anti-Islamic authors have become a rare jewel in the academia and think tank circles and have secured unlimited funds to propagate their anti-Islamic agenda. 4. Homeland Security and other intelligence apparatus with huge budget and political leeway have been instructed to spearhead the hunt for the enlightened, liberated, and pious Muslims. 5. Muslims transanction are now monitored and counted as beans one by one. So much so the pious Muslims find very difficult to help poor Somalis build water wells. 6. Islamophopia is now a legitimate political force. Almost all political parties in the West have some sort of Islamophopia in their political party platform. 7. Islam as an idealogy has replaced the communist and the entire Western military and econonimacal power is now reconfigured to its destruction. 8. Ordinary Muslims like students in search of learning in the Western universities are now subjected and put under the microscope. Now these are the negative consequences from that awfull attack. In my book the negative setbacks outweigh the positive gains. Ciiloow wayee talo xumaan cudur ka weyneynee nin baa laga sheegay.

WILDY wearing MUCAWIS huh! Whatta sight. If she only has a nice kub and dib... MUCAWIS is way better I guess than say bikini or the tight and body-hugging pants that expose their camel-toe literally. What the world has come to!! Wlc back WILD...for the uninitiated nomads, "the" heathen is in the HOUSE

Ahem...as they say the angel is in the details . What type of insurance are we talking about: Full coverage or Liability (or as they say in Canada One-way)? War aad seegtay baa jira boowe. Qallanjos in the land of the brave have been feeling the heat, right in their hoods, for quite sometimes now. These not-so-lucky Qallanjooyin are resigned to the prospect that they may have to tie the knot with unmanly, drop-out, qaat-addict, gansgta wannabee, undesirable good-for-nothing darbiyo salaan af-ka-noole. The word is that they have finally realized that doob-pool is kinda getting scarce by the season. Mashalaaye the reporter for the loudly acclaimed Waxaa-la-yiri gazette has reported that single mothers and heart-broken and desperate single xaliimooyin are everywhere all on the look out for manly man with balls big enough to shoulder the responsibility of managing and leading two equal but separate households here in America without asking a handout from uncle Sam and thus becoming a public charge. Mashalaaye has confirmed that the statement "Naa ma nin fiican baa naag loo daayaa" is indeed the most used phrase in the Gabar weynaatey pack (over 30ish age group). So sxb you gotta make the incentives lil bit more appealing for the target group are at war footing and are literally in the trenches right in their own backyard. Waabe nin cidla laga helay. Waa siday tahay, Kaftan-dhable for thick-skinned. See the ring gabdho…yeah I’m not interested :cool: lest you start imagining things

d/p.

Back to the topic. Have I seen any of these Islamic speakers live? No. I come to know Dr. Jamal Badawi through Islamicity site.

^^^FYI ------ Essential Features of the Islamic Political System The political system of Islam is based on three principles: Tawhid (unity of Allah), Risalat (Prophethood) and Khilafat (vicegerency). It is difficult to appreciate the different aspects of Islamic polity without fully understanding these three principles. I will therefore begin with a brief exposition of what they are. Tawhid means that only Allah is the Creator, Sustainer and Master of the universe and of all that exists in it organic or inorganic. The sovereignty of this kingdom is vested only in Him. He alone has the right to command or forbid. Worship and obedience are due to Him alone, no one and nothing else shares it in any way. Life, in all its forms, our physical organs and faculties, the apparent control which we have over nearly everything in our lives and the things themselves none of them has been created or acquired by us in our own right. They have been bestowed on us entirely by Allah. Hence, it is not for us to decide the aim and purpose of our existence or to set the limits of our authority; nor is anyone else entitled to make these decisions for us. This right rests only with Allah, who has created us, endowed us with mental and physical faculties, and provided material things for our use. This principle of the unity of Allah totally negates the concept of the legal and political independence of human beings, individually or collectively. No individual, family, class or race can set themselves above Allah. Allah alone is the Ruler and His commandments are the Law. The medium through which we receive the law of Allah is known as Risalat. We have received two things from this source: the Book in which Allah has set out His law, and the authoritative interpretation and exemplification of the Book by the Prophet, blessings and peace be on him through word and deed, in his capacity as the representative of Allah. The Prophet, blessings and peace be on him, has also, in accordance with the intention of the Divine Book, given us a model for the Islamic way of life by himself implementing the law and providing necessary details where required. The combination of these two elements is called the Shari‘ah. Now consider Khilafat. According to the Arabic lexicon, it means ‘representation’. Man, according to Islam, is the representative of Allah on earth, His vicegerent. That is to say, by virtue of the powers delegated to him by Allah, he is required to exercise his Allah-given authority in this world within the limits prescribed by Allah. Take, for example, the case of an estate which someone has been appointed to administer on your behalf. You will see that four conditions are invariably met. First, the real ownership of the estate remains vested in you and not in the administrator; second, he administers your property only in accordance with your instructions; third, he exercises his authority within the limits prescribed by you; and fourth, in the administration of the trust he executes your will and not his own. These four conditions are so inherent in the concept of ‘representation’ that if any representative fails to observe them he will rightly be blamed for breaking the covenant which was implied in the concept of ‘representation’. This is exactly what Islam means when it affirms that man is the vicegerent of Allah on earth. Hence, these four conditions are also involved in the concept of Khilafat. A state that is established in accordance with this political theory will in fact be a human caliphate under the sovereignty of Allah and will do Allah’s will by working within the limits prescribed by Him and in accordance with His instructions and injunctions. This is a new and revised translation of a talk given by the author on Radio Pakistan, Lahore, on 20th January, 1948. Democracy in Islam The above explanation of the term Khilafat also makes it abundantly clear that no individual or dynasty or class can be Khilafah, but that the authority of caliphate is bestowed on any community which accepts the principles of Tawhid and Risalat. In such a society, each individual shares the Allah-given caliphate. This is the point where democracy begins in Islam. Every person in an Islamic society enjoys the rights and powers of the caliphate of Allah and in this respect all individuals are equal. No one can deprive anyone of his rights and powers. The agency for running the affairs of the state will be established in accordance with the will of these individuals, and the authority of the state will only be an extension of the powers of the individual delegated to it. Their opinion will be decisive in the formation of the Government, which will be run with their advice and in accordance with their wishes. Whoever gains their confidence will carry out the duties of the caliphate on their behalf; and when he loses this confidence he will have to relinquish his office. In this respect the political system in Islam is as perfect a democracy as ever can be. What distinguishes Islamic democracy from Western democracy is that while the latter is based on the concept of popular sovereignty the former rests on the principle of popular Khilafat. In Western democracy the people are sovereign, in Islam sovereignty is vested in Allah and the people are His caliphs or representatives. In the former the people make their own laws; in the latter they have to follow and obey the laws (Shari‘ah) given by Allah through His Prophet. In one the Government undertakes to fulfil the will of the people; in the other Government and the people alike have to do the will of Allah. Western democracy is a kind of absolute authority which exercises its powers in a free and uncontrolled manner, whereas Islamic democracy is subservient to the Divine Law and exercises its authority in accordance with the injunctions of Allah and within the limits prescribed by Him. Purpose of the Islamic State The Holy Qur’an clearly states that the aim and purpose of this state, built on the foundation of Tawhid, Risalat and Khilafat, is the establishment, maintenance and development of those virtues which the Creator of the universe wishes human life to be enriched by, and the prevention and eradication of those evils which are abhorrent to Allah. The state in Islam is not intended for political administration only nor for the fulfilment through it of the collective will of any particular set of people. Rather, Islam places a high ideal before the state for the achievement of which it must use all the means at its disposal. The aim is to encourage the qualities of purity, beauty, goodness, virtue, success and prosperity which Allah wants to flourish in the life of His people and to suppress all kinds of exploitation and injustice. As well as placing before us this high ideal, Islam clearly states the desired virtues and the undesirable evils. The Islamic state can thus plan its welfare programmes in every age and in any environment. The constant demand made by Islam is that the principles of morality must be observed at all costs and in all walks of life. Hence, it lays down an unalterable requirement for the state to base its politics on justice, truth and honesty. It is not prepared, under any circumstances, to tolerate fraud, falsehood and injustice for the sake of political, administrative or national expediency. Whether it be relations between the rulers and the ruled within the state, or relations of the state with other states, precedence must always be given to truth, honesty and justice. It imposes obligations on the state similar to those it imposes on the individual: to fulfil all contracts and obligations; to have consistent standards in all dealings; to remember obligations as well as rights and not to forget the rights of others when expecting them to fulfil their obligations; to use power and authority for the establishment for justice and not for the perpetration of injustice; to look on duty as a sacred obligation; and to regard power as a trust from Allah to be used in the belief that one has to render an account of one’s actions to Him in the Hereafter. Fundamental Rights Although an Islamic state may be set up anywhere on earth, Islam does not seek to restrict human rights or privileges to the geographical limits of its own state. Islam has laid down universal fundamental rights for humanity as a whole, which are to be observed and respected in all circumstances irrespective of whether a person lives on the territory of the Islamic state or outside it and whether he is at peace with the state or at war. For example, human blood is sacred and may not be spilled without justification; it is not permissible to oppress women, children, old people, the sick or the wounded; woman’s honour and chastity must be respected in all circumstances; and the hungry must be fed, the naked clothed, and the wounded or diseased treated medically. These, and a few other provisions, have been laid down by Islam as fundamental rights for every man by virtue of his status as a human being, to be enjoyed under the constitution of an Islamic state. The rights of citizenship in Islam, however, are not confined to persons born within the limits of its state but are granted to every Muslim irrespective of his place of birth. A Muslim ipso facto becomes the citizen of an Islamic state as soon as he sets foot on its territory with the intention of living there; he thus enjoys equal rights of citizenship with those who are its citizens by birth. Citizenship must therefore be common to all the citizens of all the Islamic states that exist in the world; a Muslim will not need a passport for entry or exit from any of them. And every Muslim must be regarded as eligible for positions of the highest responsibility in an Islamic state without distinction of race, colour or class. Islam has also laid down certain rights for non-Muslims who may be living within the boundaries of an Islamic state, and these rights must necessarily form part of the Islamic constitution. According to Islamic terminology such non-Muslims are called dhimmis (the covenanted), implying that the Islamic state has entered into a covenant with them and guaranteed their rights. The life, property and honour of a dhimmi is to be respected and protected in exactly the same way as that of a Muslim citizen. There is no difference between Muslim and non-Muslim citizens in respect of civil or criminal law; and the Islamic state shall not interfere with the personal law of non-Muslims. They will have full freedom of conscience and belief and will be entitled to perform their religious rites and ceremonies. As well as being able to practise their religion, they are entitled to criticise Islam. However the rights given in this respect are not unlimited: the civil law of the country has to be fully respected and all criticism has to be made within its framework. These rights are irrevocable and non-Muslims can only be deprived of them if they renounce the convenant which grants them citizenship. However much a non-Muslim state may oppress its Muslim citizens, it is not permissible for an Islamic state to retaliate against its non-Muslim subjects. This injunction holds good even if all the Muslims outside the boundaries of an Islamic state are massacred. Executive and Legislature The responsibility for the administration of the Government in an Islamic state is entrusted to an Amir (leader) who may be likened to the President or the Prime Minister in a Western democratic state. All adult men and women who accept the fundamentals of the constitution are entitled to vote in the election for the leader. The basic qualifications for the election of an Amir are that he should command the confidence of the largest number of people in respect of his knowledge and grasp of the spirit of Islam; he should possess the Islamic attribute of fear of Allah; he should be endowed with the quality of statesmanship. In short, he should be both able and virtuous. A Shura (consultative council), elected by the people, will assist and guide the Amir. It is obligatory for the Amir to administer the country with the advice of his Shura. The Amir can retain office only so long as he enjoys the confidence of the people, and must resign when he loses this confidence. Every citizen has the right to criticise the Amir and his Government, and all responsible means for the expression of public opinion should be available. Legislation in an Islamic state should be within the limits prescribed by the Shari‘ah. The injunctions of Allah and His Prophet are to be accepted and obeyed and no legislative body can alter or modify them or make any new laws which are contrary to their spirit. The duty of ascertaining the real intent of those commandments which are open to more than one interpretation should devolve on people possessing a specialised knowledge of the law of Shari‘ah. Hence, such matters may have to be referred to a sub-committee of the Shã r~ comprising men learned in Islamic law. Great scope would still be available for legislation on questions not covered by any specific injunctions of the Shari‘ah, and the advisory council or legislature is free to legislate in regard to these matters. In Islam the judiciary is not placed under the control of the executive. It derives its authority directly from the Shari‘ah and is answerable to Allah. The judges will obviously be appointed by the Government but, once appointed, will have to administer justice impartially according to the law of Allah. All the organs and functionaries of the Government should come within their jurisdiction: even the highest executive authority of the Government will be liable to be called upon to appear in a court of law as a plaintiff or defendant. Rulers and ruled are subject to the same law and there can be no discrimination on the basis of position, power or privilege. Islam stands for equality and scrupulously adheres to this principle in the social, economic and political realms alike. 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Many thanks for the link sxb.

This is clearly over the top and an unjust sentence. The punishment doesn't fit the crime. Four years for what? grabbing woman's behind! Four years ku lahaa. What's next, I wonder? Ten years for gazing on woman's exposed cleavage!

HUMAN RIGHTS IN ISLAM By Abu Al'Ala Muadudi CHAPTER ONE: HUMAN RIGHTS, THE WEST AND ISLAM Before I discuss the human rights in Islam I would like to explain a few points about two major approaches to the question of human rights: the Western and Islamic. This will enable us to study the issue in its proper perspective and avoid some of the confusion which normally befogs such a discussion. The Western Approach: The people in the West have the habit of attributing every good thing to themselves and try to prove that it is because of them that the world got this blessing, otherwise the world was steeped in ignorance and completely unaware of all these benefits. Now let us look at the question of human rights. It is very loudly and vociferously claimed that the world got the concept of basic human rights from the Magna Carta of Britain; though the Magna Carta itself came into existence six hundred years after the advent of Islam. But the truth of the matter is that until the seventeenth century no one even knew that the Magna Carta contained the principles of Trial by Jury; Habeas Corpus, and the Control of Parliament on the Right of Taxation. If the people who had drafted the Magna Carta were living today they would have been greatly surprised if they were told that their document also contained all these ideals and principles. They had no such intention, nor were they conscious of all these concepts which are now being attributed to them. As far as my knowledge goes the Westerners had no concept of human rights and civic rights before the seventeenth century. Even after the seventeenth century the philosophers and the thinkers on jurisprudence though presented these ideas, the practical proof and demonstration of these concepts can only be found at the end of the eighteenth century in the proclamations and constitutions of America and France. After this there appeared a reference to the basic human rights in the constitutions of different countries. But more often the rights which were given on paper were not actually given to the people in real life. In the middle of the present century, the United Nations, which can now be more aptly and truly described as the Divided Nations, made a Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and passed a resolution against genocide and framed regulations to check it. But as you all know there is not a single resolution or regulation of the United Nations which can be enforced. They are just an expression of a pious hope. They have no sanctions behind them, no force, physical or moral to enforce them. Despite all the high-sounding ambitious resolutions of the United Nations, human rights have been violated and trampled upon at different places, and the United Nations has been a helpless spectator. She is not in a position to exercise an effective check on the violation of human rights. Even the heinous crime of genocide is being perpetrated despite all proclamations of the United Nations. Right in the neighbouring country of Pakistan, genocide of the Muslims has been taking place for the last twenty- eight years, but the United Nations does not have the power and strength to take any steps against India. No action has even been taken against any country guilty of this most serious and revolting crime. The Islamic Approach: The second point which I would like to clarify at the very outset is that when we speak of human rights in Islam we really mean that these rights have been granted by God; they have not been granted by any king or by any legislative assembly. The rights granted by the kings or the legislative assemblies, can also be withdrawn in the same manner in which they are conferred. The same is the case with the rights accepted and recognized by the dictators. They can confer them when they please and withdraw them when they wish; and they can openly violate them when they like. But since in Islam human rights have been conferred by God, no legislative assembly in the world, or any government on earth has the right or authority to make any amendment or change in the rights conferred by God. No one has the right to abrogate them or withdraw them. Nor are they the basic human rights which are conferred on paper for the sake of show and exhibition and denied in actual life when the show is over. Nor are they like philosophical concepts which have no sanctions behind them. The charter and the proclamations and the resolutions of the United Nations cannot be compared with the rights sanctioned by God; because the former is not applicable to anybody while the latter is applicable to every believer. They are a part and parcel of the Islamic Faith. Every Muslim or administrators who claim themselves to be Muslims will have to accept, recognize and enforce them. If they fail to enforce them, and start denying the rights that have been guaranteed by God or make amendments and changes in them, or practically violate them while paying lip-service to them, the verdict of the Holy Quran for such governments is clear and unequivocal: Those who do not judge by what God has sent down are the dis Believers (kafirun). 5:44 The following verse also proclaims: "They are the wrong-doers (zalimun)" (5:45), while a third verse in the same chapter says: "They are the evil-livers (fasiqun)" (5:47). In other words this means that if the temporal authorities regard their own words and decisions to be right and those given by God as wrong they are disbelievers. If on the other hand they regard God's commands as right but wittingly reject them and enforce their own decisions against God's, then they are the mischief-makers and the wrong-doers. Fasiq, the law-breaker,is the one who disregards the bond of allegiance, and zalim is he who works against the truth. Thus all those temporal authorities who claim to be Muslims and yet violate the rights sanctioned by God belong to one of these two categories, either they are the disbelievers or are the wrong- doers and mischief-makers. The rights which have been sanctioned by God are permanent, perpetual and eternal. They are not subject to any alterations or modifications, and there is no scope for any change or abrogation. CHAPTER TWO: BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS The first thing that we find in Islam in this connection is that it lays down some rights for man as a human being. In other words it means that every man whether he belongs to this country or that, whether he is a believer or unbeliever, whether he lives in some forest or is found in some desert, whatever be the case, he has some basic human rights simply because he is a human being, which should be recognized by every Muslim. In fact it will be his duty to fulfil these obligation 1. The Right to Life 2. The Right to the Safety of Life 3. Respect for the Chastity of Women 4. The Right to a Basic Standard of Life 5. Individual's Right to Freedom 6. The Right to Justice 7. Equality of Human Beings 8. The Right to Co-operate and Not to Co-operate Source

Ever heard the phrase: "Kud ka guur oo qanjo u guur" or something along these lines. Yeah that's what happened. Cadde is no dictator. He is not a power hungry man ready to trump the regional interest for his personal gains. He is not like that. In my humble opinion he is deeply clannish person. He is also a weakling with "pasta" backbone. What Puntland needs is Financial Czar. Folks around Cadde are stashing the cash collected from business class in their four big pockets. That must stop ASAP or else iyagga (corrupt leaders) dhexdooda yaa isku leyn doona.

Bashiiraage Oo Ciidamadiisa ku Amray In Gadhka Laga xiiro Qofkii U 'eg Wadaad How can one go so wrong?

The fact is Americans are race conscious people and the country has a history of racism. Government institutions as well as the corporate culture reflect this race bias which is deeply embedded in the people’s psychic. There is also a different kind of under table discrimination masqueraded as “networkingâ€. All things (credentials, experience, and what not) being equal, if you don’t have personal social network circle wide enough that can get you in touch with the hiring manager, you won’t get the position under consideration. The old adage “It's not what you know, but who you know†is very true in corporate America. Now when you combine the two namely the racist attitudes of the majority and the culture of “networkingâ€, it is easy to understand that blacks are in a tough position. There aren’t that many blacks in decision-making positions nor are there many blacks in medical, engineering, and law fields (the high paying jobs). Considering these facts, it is an uphill battle for a young black lawyer, for instance, to attain the much prized “upward mobility†in his profession.

Many thanks Orgiliqe for posting this topic. Than you Blessed for the link. Ilaah ha idinka abaal mariyo. Remember y'all “Whoever saved a life, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind†(Qur’an 5:32)

^That's very nice of him. Ed seems to understand why Muslims go balistic at the slightest provocation.

Hambalyo.

Looks good. SOL needed a face lift. Now it got that face lift, let's well come it. The home page is simple yet more comprehensive. Podcast, blogging, and informative features such as news and quality articles have become a must have hot spots in the web surfing experience. It is about the time SOL provides the same experience to its customers. Still, there is a room for improvement. There is a whole lotta work to be done sxb. Populating the links alone can be very time-consuming. BTW, it looks like NPR. I hope SOL matches that great site in its content. It's doable ya know. Wardheer News and Awdal News Network, two great Somali websites in my opinion, will have a competitor in the opinion quality articles arena. Watch out! My good buddy @ SNet feels the heat. That's the way it should be ya know. Competition makes them work harder and guess who benefits from that competition. YOU! Job well done sxb. Good stuff.

Good one Caamir. Keep them coming sxb. BTW, thanks to you I now know Wardheer News. They post readible, opinionated, and analytical articles on Somali politics. Good for them.

I miss them.

Ibtisaam, I didn't get the time to deliver the goods. Insha'Allah I'll get time to type it.

For crying out loud don't cry please. Laugh. Awoowe there is no morality, mercy, or what have you in the race for hegemonic dominance. American tax payers spend trillions of dollars to bloster nations military capabilities. They spend all these resources and talent on their armed forces for a reason. Iran, on the other hand, wants to have a deterrence so it can keep what it calls the "Great Satan" at bay. If Iran succeeds to get its way, it will have a say in the oil rich region as well as the Palestenian question. The thing is US's might will be ineffective in a region that is very important to its "national security". The stakes are high sxb. A brave new world order is emerging where China, Brazil, and India are the new kids of the block. Iran doesn't have the economic engine and the know-how that guaranteed the newcomers to join the club but it will at least have a deterrence if it succeeds to have the A-bomb. Again this reminds me my favorite qoute. A qoute I got from reading William James essay titled "The moral equivalentn of war". It goes like this and I'm paraphrasing it...the qoute should be read in the context of Peloponisian (spelling not correct I'm sure) war where ambitious and strong Athenians ask the weak Meleans(spelling again) to submit to then the new world order Athenian had in mind. Like you Castro Mileons cried but why? Athenians replied because "...strong exact what they can and weak grant what they must" Meleans then said but that's unfair in the eyes of Almighty God. Athenians nail it down to the knitty gritty of human nature and lectured the Meleans "of the gods we believe and of men we know that, by a law of their nature, wherever they can rule they will. This law was not made by us, and we are not the first to have acted upon it; we did but inherit it, and we know that you and all mankind, if you were as strong as we are, would do as we do. So much for the gods; we have told you why we expect to stand as high in their good opinion as you." Awoowe warku nuxurkiisu waa "might makes right".