Mister Oodweyne, Somalia that once existed was a sovereign, independent, and unified state. Traitors such as SNM clan militia collaborated with rival and enemy state that was technically at war with the Republic in order to break the nation up into fiefdoms and carve a spot for its clan members. They were funded and armed by the enemy of the state to make war against their nation. Somaliland is hailed as a recovering zone because it is recovering from the extensive damage it sustained as a result of that war. Bear with me I’m getting my ducks in a raw. I’m getting there baba . You glorify, nay glamorize that painful history. You want your clan (now wrapped with garb of nation-state) to be glorious. You have called an entire segment of Somalis as being “defeated” by allied clans by the name of Irrir. If I’m not mistaken you are on the record here in this forum for hailing the tragic displacement of entire clan from Benadir as a success and as the direct result of SNM’s brilliant political machination in encouraging Aideed Sr. to wipe them out. You cover that naked prejudice with words such as country, nation, nation-state, “reconstituting” lost independence, and what have you. Awoowe this sheeko baraleey will not stand. In the spirit of “Questioning Attitude” enquiring minds are known to exhibit, the gallery wants to simply know what gives your clan a license to betray the nation and become traitors in pursuit of their clannish agenda? Is it because it is so and questioning this discrepancy is in itself an unbecoming? Try it again capo and for crying out loud shoot it straight this time . We’ll deal with what recent events mean and what faction will benefit from them the most. Let’s get pass this hurdle first. Cuz for me it just doesn’t add up buddy. It just doesn’t seem right to have someone like you make this much noise on an issue he is so full of it. As to where my loyalty lies and whether my views can be characterized as being “excusing” the sins of Inna Yussuf well that’s not a problem and I’ll probably break it down for you one more time . Still awoowe you won’t get off on the hot seat until you laid all out for me. Plz no cantrabaqash and how dare you question my mujahids records in the Jihad fii sabiliLaah . And just so you know I’m not interested in what Xiin or Duke post and what motivates them to post what they post. As far as this topic is concerned, what Duke said or his personality is irrelevant. Grow up boy. Duke is a contributor to this open forum. His views on the current events are clear. He is not participating in this discussion. Keep him out of this discussion. Same with Xiin. The man thought this is an open forum where everyone can contribute. Regardless of your dhoocil talk such as he is this she is that kinda public gossip, the man commands respect and reverence in these cyber boards. Awoowe behave before I drop the hammer down on your madax-yarro . **After the base-linning is done and my man Mr. Oodweyne has been calibrated I will make the case for the The Third Way**

^ My man Oodweyne I'm still waiting your answers for the dhooqo your slinging won’t fill the void. It is really simple my friend. You played the collaborationist card and it just so happened that there are decorated clan warriors in your house who had committed the same deed not long ago. Damn all the devils or if you want to spare your devil from damnation expect others to do the same. I'm damning them all without an exception. Call spade a spade friend or simply shut cantrabaqashka up! Now be a good sport and give it a try! What in the green earth makes you think that those who cross the border in the height of national war and rode on enemy tanks and fought along the enemy against the nation are not “collaborationist” of the worst kind? How dare you ask such silly question is not gonna cut it buddy. You are not off the hook friend. The hefty price the secessionists paid in invoking the wrath of the Somali army, provoking the soldiers garrisoned in the military camps only to run into the residential area -- was that necessary casualties the clan has to pay in “reconstituting” the independent British protectorate? There are those who say the similarities between Somali factions and their blind pursuit of political dominance is a fact in Somali politicking. There are no exceptions. Inna Yusuf tells tall tales of “reconstituting” the lost state, bringing back the law and order, and leaving the office with Somalia that once existed functioning albeit in an intensive care hospital room. The interesting thing is his folks believe in him just as the likes of Red Sea and other confused secessionists believe in your tall tales of secessionists being different from the rest of the crowd that crossed the line in search of support to destroy their state so they can carve out their own fiefdom. Don’t get mad friend , have a shaah

Is that your final answer Mister Ood Weyne? What a waste!!!!!!!!!!!!

^Smart move . Good luck and God's speed camel boy.

Depressing read

Waxay ka mid tahay ayaan darrooyinka inagu habsaday.

Kudos to Ibrahim Cadow.

I see my old pal still doing what he does the best and that is tororog -- an avalanche of verbal dhooqo peppered with borrowed phrases and presented in ornate, diffuse and convoluted essay-like style -- one trick pony! This often repeated macaluul argument has no substance awoowe. Seriously what is it that you are trying to say here - that now secessionists are collaborating with Ethiopia and Neocons -- and now Pentagon has acknowledged that dismembering Somalia is an attractive proposition that suits the national security of the States and its fight against terrorism!!!!!!!!!!! Silly me for I thought collaborating with these forces was the very sin that you have been accusing Inna Yey to have committed! The thing is though that most of the young and impressionable kids in SOL don’t get your point -- and who can blame them given the fact that one has to read a chapter to stand a chance to get IT. Let’s get the record straight lest you think you have the high moral ground when it comes to staying true to the phrase ‘we will do whatever it takes to attain the golden cup; we’ll get there “by any means necessary”!’ The two main accusations leveled against Inna Yey and the TFG he heads stem from two sound arguments namely using foreign muscle (neighboring rival and national foe) to pacify local hot spots AND his willingness to get the job done at the expense of the very people he wants to rule. This is a robust case against the TFG and it will make a pretty interesting discussion if folks ask why that is the case. How come Somalis go that far to attain state power? However you, of all people, are not in position to level that sort of accusation against anyone let alone against TFG. You are SNM sympathizer and pro secessionist at that. If you were willing to collaborate with Mengist junta at the height of the nationalistic war why are you objecting to TFG’s “success” of having the same enemy, the one that empowered you to take Burco and Hargeisa, empower them to take Benadir? No another verbal avalanche needed here old pal just simple pointed answer will do. You call the demise of fifty thousand of your kin as necessary casualties in order to get rid off of oppressive regime, you hid behind your kin’s shelter after provoking the army, and engage them in urban setting -- all of that to attain power, change clan equation, or as you now say to “reconstitute” lost independence -- at the expense of innocent Somalis. Your position being that one has to do whatever it takes to defeat a foe -- including collaborating with the enemy and endangering civilian lives -- my man Oodweyne you (quintessential SNM secessionist) and Inna Yey have the same OS -- diff versions yes, diff circumstances -- but same darn operating system buddy. It should be noted that Inna Yey and the TFG he heads and you and the clannish entity you root for are competing for the same support of Neocons and their regional bulldog. It is a rat race like no other. Let’s wait and see who makes to the finish line.

Divisive, uninitiated, and suicidal fool. Kalligiis Muslims like him are making the case for the very enemy they say they want to defeat.

A book by Nassim Taleb. First Chapter on NYT One hour C-Span Interview video by NYT columnist David Brooks

*shakes head*

A million dollar question. I think if the instinctive response to a situation is not stemming from a past experience and just pops up in your head then I would say that kind of a response qualifies as being instinctive behavoir. It is like innate, la iraadii (as my axyaa schooling would call it), kind of a urge independent of reasoning. Like a hunch or a gut feeling.

It was a test and I'm glad you didn't flank this extremely simple test

Powerful refutation. Polite but killer Osman has simply taken SIWB to the task.

Allah yarxama aabe awoowe. He sure left a lasting impression on your noodles. Insha'Allah you'll name one of the Kismaayo streets after him for psoterity purposes or better dedicate sadaqa jaariya for him. I know you will attain that financial freedom that you are after one day. Possible suggestions: 1. Donate undisclosed sum to new masjid. 2. Donate monies to orphanage center 3. Donate monies to schools All in his name for hor Ilaahay. Do that my man and you have returned the favor. Awoowe you have talent, ya got that burning fire in the belly fadlan oo fadlan use it for a greater good. I know you can do it. Start with this thread. Collect all these poems, refine them a bit with lil background introduction (when you composed, where, the setting, and what prompt you to pen them) and you have set the wheels in motion and before you know it you will have a book.

" Ma ogtahay barbaarreey Waxa loo buseelaa Ama qurux ku caan baxay Ama laysku baantaa Ama lagu bogsoodaa Kal bugtaa ku faydaa Kugu deeqa baashaal Guri bila ku magac dheer Hablaheenna bilicdiyo Biligiyo il-waadka leh Bilcantii shisheeya ah Ninka beegsanaayow Waxaan kaaga baqayaa Inaad baadi noqotee Cidla baylah keligaa Yaanu bahalku kaa helin " Hala! Axlul kalaam. Alla see ugu diirsaday. Ilwaad = ? anyone?

^Loved it. Rageedii weeye Gediid. Friend Qallanjada habee with syle. As to that nail I will clip it, put it in dhiil la culay, and send it through UPS for your investigation. If it is invested with fungus then we know halka looga yimid if not give it a clean bill of health and put an end to the nitpicking crap. Either way give it a proper burial fit for noble cidi eh

Scenario One Team 1: TFG wearing the red shirts and white jerseys. Leader: Col. Yey Kareeto: V-6 engine donated by Tigre friends in Addis. It also has Ford parts in it. Donkey: 17 years old. Fed by IGAD Disturbances: renegade parliamentarians, demoted founders in the original armed officer club. Type: Hawk Team 2: Asmara Group wearing the blue shirts and black jerseys. Leader: Sheikh Sheriif Kareeto: V-4 engine donated by Eritrean friends in Asmara. It also has Egypt counterfeit parts in it. Donkey: 2 years old. Fed by Eritrea. Disturbances: renegade and energized youth, undesirable elements loyal to other competing groups. Type: Hawk The price: Gambar Outcome: head-on collision and certain instant death. Variable: [lose, lose] Bridge: broken Comments: this is no-go scenario. No one in his right mind would advocate such mutual destruction scenario. If the conflict left unstopped the outcome is complete destruction and no winner scenario not to mention deepened and crystallized animosity between the clans which happen to be the building blocks of Somali society. Recommendation: stay tuned. We’ll fisrt exhaust all the possible scenarios.

Ngonge, assuming you mean what you wrote up there looks like we are on the same page. I said the same thing thousand times but my friends hop on my toes and start investigating the dirt under its nail instead.

Gediid facts are facts. Ha ku haraadin saxib. On this thread Abdullahi or the TFG he heads is not on the hot seat the pro-secessionists in the clan fiefdom you root for and their admin is. Baashi has acknowledged the actualities on the ground time and again. I guess you are demanding a signature to that effect. Somalis are with each other’s throats. The conflict has yet to be ended. We are in a war footing. Abdullahi allegedly represent one side of the conflict, your fiefdom is another, and the other interest groups are known. In the absence of just and comprehensive settlement of this raging conflict the status quo (war of attrition) will remain as it is: each to his own and my clan against all other clans game. Granted Ethiopia has its own interest. Those who seek its assistance are equally calculating. Secessionists fit the bill. Yes Inna Yussuf and the TFG he is heading are guilty of collaborating with Tigre regime. That fact has been conceded long time ago fyi. Facts (with corrections) I listed are designed to highlight how all factions in this tragic civil war are on Melez’s lap. You wan to tell me your fiefdom is an exception. And I refuse to buy that crap. Friend these factions are the same type. They only differ in degrees. By the way you have grown up in the noodle department. I remember the days when the sum total of secession defense amounted to: you are hater; you hate us; we are peaceful, look Ambassador Hotel. Congrats bro. Hadaah ku banaan tahay in aad gobta la shaahdo

Xiinoow how dare you! Stop this munaaqisha iyo xaajo inna rag ee aad hawsha xageer iyo docdaan aad ka eegayso and start cursing, condemning, blasting, and cyber-warmongering! Ya gotta repeat a la broken record that much to prove you are really consistent, genuine, sincere, and truthful in your disappointment in TFG's incompetence, your opposition to Tigre militia's presence in Somali soil, and your condolences for those who have lost loved ones. You see you simply belong to this marked basket and hence you gotta insert that paragraph every time you post a piece on the forum or share an opinion with the folks. No substance in their refutation but only accusations. Read Gediid's "inconsistencies" through these lenses. I got all sort of slack just because I though negotiation is the way out. Its now impossibility to get out of the box and see ways and means to end the conflict other than ha lays dilo dagaal waxan ahayn daawo laguu waa e *Dan iyo heeko haw galin. Maxay oran jireen carro Mududg; Oday baa hee iyo habar baa darooryeysee heeladeena inoo tuma sooma ahayn.

FACTS + Tanks that roam in Benadir get their gas fill through Berbera. + Riyale's admin has endorsed Ethiopia's "stabilizing effort" in Benadir. + Riyale's admin has rounded up innocent practicing Muslims, tortured them in their gulags and handed them over to Allambakho gaurds so they can have their ways with them until they fess up -- all of that just because of their tribal affiliation and their resistance against Ethiopian domination. The ties btw this Somali breakaway recovery zone and Ethiopia is based on many variables but allegedly security tops the list + Ethiopian army bounds them in their villages and the ones who escape to what they thought is safe for Muslim Somalis are rounded up and handed back to their tormentors. + Secessionists desire to be recognized trumps the immorality of being indifferent to their brethren’s plight.

War ninyahow aan kala war wareegno isla keeni mayno e!

No cay friend, Xaashaa. I just can't help it. I tend to call spade a spade that's all. Let me see the reason you said akhas is beacause you abhor all things western and my man here is mimicking the western folks and their ways miyaad leedahay. Not bad at all. You see that's an improvement. You are trying to reason. Now I take all Somali music you seem to like with all their piano, trump. saxophone, guitar, and what have you are heading to the trash basket yes? Waryee maad sidaadii qosol beena iyo ilka qayaxan ku badhi taartid your one line nonsense. Maxaad ii keentay -- wait

I bet hooyaaleey hoyalayeey hoyalayeeeeeeeeeey hoooooooooooooye is what gets to your tape worm baqara nerve.