Outline of Human Racial Classification: I. Capoid or Khoisanid Subspecies of southern Africa II. Congoid Subspecies of sub-Saharan Africa III. Caucasoid or Europid Subspecies IV. Australoid Subspecies From these four racial classes, This guy looked at us and probably scratched his head and say umhhhhhhhhh…let me see…and finally figured out and said aha! These nomads are hybrid! They don’t fit quite nicely the four classes so the exception card had to be played…how convenient! One important question we always should ask is what is his credentials and above all is this a science (verifiable through empirical methods accessible to all scientists) or it is a subjective science? There is food for thought! II -> C. Aethiopid race (Ethiopia, Somalia; hybridized with Caucasoids) Caucasoids which happen to be the III class. For those who are easily satisfied by the hypothesis issued through western higher learning institutions then BINGO! There you have it they all agree the blood infusion theory! Would u now give a lil bit of attention of what our old grandpa/ma had to say or had been saying consistently for ages! Here is the link

Originally posted by Yasmine: If you were stranded on a deserted island, name one thing (just one!) you'd like to have or would already have with you? Translation: You are left in a helpless position on a deserted island (u r alone and u r in isolation from the rest of the world); and the question is what would you like to have it? Hmm! very tough situation if u ask me! and I wouldn't wish myself in that deserted island MacaadathAllah. But let's assume that's the case. Well I would bring a company with me. Not any company but someone with balls, with courage and fortitude who can triumph in the face of adversity. Together, we'll eat grass and figure out how to escape from the said predictment. Before u guyz bring ur chapstick, glasses, banooni, and what not ...just watch the movie Papillon or Castaway...there is a glimpse of what life is like in solitude and the adversity it entails. Geeljirre, I knew u would think twice on this one

Kheyr, So what did u put on the table that made them say hmmmm so yummy!? Let me guess: canjeero, kabaab, sambuusi, sabaayad, malawax, goat meat,... conveniently ordered from the "maqaayada"..what do they know poor folks

To get the discussion going let’s take a closer look at Nur’s derivations: iimaan = ( Ikhlaas coefficient) * hasanaat iimaan = 1 / (Total sins) Using the logic if A = B and if also A = C then B = C. Applying that to above equations we will have this new equation: Total sins = 1/[( Ikhlaas coefficient) * hasanaat] Nur’s assertion holds water because the higher your iimaan [( Ikhlaas coefficient) * hasanaat] reservoir gets, the lesser your sins, and vice-versa. Excellent! Moving on to the other derivations. iimaan = ((ikhlaas cooefficient)*(Hasanaat) / ( Total Sins) (1) iimaan = (((ikhlaas cooefficient)*(Hasanaat) / ( Total Sins)) + Raxmah (2) Using the same logic and setting ((ikhlaas cooefficient)*(Hasanaat) / (Total sins) = Y which will give us iimaan = Y + Raxmah We will have Y = Y+ Raxmah Which makes Raxmah = 0 What does this mean? Since we can not put a value on this factor I suggest we need to modify in a way that makes Raxmah unknown variable in the range of 0 to infiniti. Let's work on this! PS. Bro Nur you are so creative Mansha’Allah.

Originally posted by idil: Asalaama Alaikum ...what is the average IQ score? Ma'Salaama According to Tickle's Classic IQ Test: - A score between 70 and 84 places you below the population average - A score between 85 and 99 puts you slightly below the population average, but is in the normal range - A score of 100 represents the population average - A score between 101 and 115 puts you above the population average, but is in the normal range - A score between 116 and 130 means that your IQ might be significantly above the population average - Scores of 130 and above puts you significantly above the population average. BTW, is the intelligence a measurable quantity? How about the inherent bias in the test?

^^ @Yasmine, Bro Sophist and Jamaal-11 are the sages of SOL and they do understand each other so let them sort that one out! Yasmine, FYI I’m not dismissing the existence of “wife-beaters” in Somalia. The statement: “Some Somali husbands were (have been) wife-beaters in the past” is a true and valid statement. I don’t have a problem with such statement whether it is bold or not. Even then the question of ‘how many’ puts the author in a tight spot unless he/she has something to back that statement up. You seem to be saying that your observation is the harsh “truth”. In the same breath you are admitting the fact that the info is a hearsay. How do you reconcile with the sum experiences of the likes of me who have been around for awhile, lived in Somalia, had neighbors, schoolmates, friends AND the some of your experiences? Can I construe my experience as the “harsh truth”? Why not? Alternatively, are this info and my sources just one “significant” piece of the puzzle or they are the “answer” and hence suffice to make an statement along the line: most Somali husbands were kind to their wives. The point? Yes I agree the fact that there have been “some” Somali husbands who were abusive to their wives. How many and how frequent? we don’t know. And we can't rely on the conclusions derived from small sample as the one you have presented. PS. Have you noticed already the four Somalis who have posted their thought on the topic have disagreed on the premise (generalization) not the existence of it.

Yes, there is a difference, to answer the question. It might help if we use the END and the MEANS analogy. Knowledge is the end and the education is the means to that end. In other words, education is the process one has to go through in order to acquire knowledge. Whether that process is formal (schooling) or informal (experience), the end result is same - you learn, grow, and attain knowledge. There is a famous quote I’ve once read somewhere and it goes like this: To acquire knowledge, one must study; but to acquire wisdom, one must observe. Ain’t that true?

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Yasmine, I’m not sure about this. To begin with, were Somali men wife-beaters in the past? Do you, by any chance, know the statistics (percentages) of this demographical data? The info you have received from your female relatives is an indicator of sort but that alone cannot be used to extrapolate an over-generalization statement like the one you have just made. That doesn’t mean there were not any wife-beaters in Somalia back then. And BTW how do you know they have changed their ways now? There are Somali men who are wife-beaters in the States (mind u!). If there are any translators (for the court and for the Social services dept.) here in SOL they will agree with my assertion. Despite the 911 services, the rule of law (BTW it empowers women), etc many women get the black eye quite often. If I have to take a guess drugs are one factor to blame on the behavior of these social deviates like “wife-beaters”. It should be noted that domestic problems and dysfunctional families are not a problem limited to only Somalis. To answer your question assuming you are referring the men who believe that they have right (derived from religion) to beat their wives but don’t exercise their “distorted believe” today. I would say that perhaps they understand the consequence of doing that (a felony) in the States. In general, last 20 years or so Somalis have been enlightened by Islamic lectures or Muxadaraat. Many wring practices that have been attributed to Islam has been clarified by “Culimada”. These clarifications have been disseminated through analog tapes and through the internet. Just an opinion.

Yasmine, I agree with the premise that Oral history posses challenge to its practitioners. It has its shortcomings. I’m not a historian and thus I’m not in position to delineate the methodical processes an oral historian should be using in order to eliminate the fallacies, the contradictions, the inconsistencies, the multiple versions of the same events, and so on. My guess is we will need our own guidelines (grounded on Islamic ethics) that provide a general framework for guiding professional conduct. The need for a revision of past historical renditions is apparent. We can’t rely on the works of Orientalists any longer. Anthropology, Sociology, Archeology, were all fields of study dedicated to understand societies of Africa and Asia for the sake of domination. Since Oral history is the only history we have, regardless of its pitfalls and hidden dangers, we ought to reclaim it. I am of the opinion that we ought to use the Muslim versions as cross checking reference. Unlike European adventurers in search of resources to exploit, our fellow Muslims are unlikely to skew the little information they have on us to justify an imperialistic end. Yes from that perspective, we can rely on our neighbors at least more than we can rely on European adventurers. As to the Somalis who may or may not refute your work question; I think any scholarly work be oral history practitioner or in any other field should be open for refutation. It is part of “quest for knowledge” endeavor. Finally, where does one start? I don’t know but I have a hunch that one would be very interested in finding out what others have to say about us. I also think the Somali poetry and dating technique of the “used” poems will be pivotal to this effort. PS. My kind of topic!

I second Athena's "I like that" comment. I must inform u bro Nur there is another connotations for this phrase, a one that u r not fimiliar with(I trust) . "Ii nuuri" when used in "ciyaal xaafada" language, it means something else. As u know "ciyaalka xaafada" is critical target for Nurtel Corp. We will stick with e-Nuri as opposed to "ii nuuri" phrase. I'm just looking out for u bro

Norf, They have been doing just that for ages! Darwinism is a case in point.

Nur, will do that bro. Originally posted by Shifta: ....... to be continued Plz do continue Shifta!

Originally posted by Nur: I think we are the problem, a warlord who can hardly read his name, who only thrives on the cycle of violence and hatred can only rise to such unquestionable status and power when we, his tribesmen endorse him by our silence. The result of what is going on today is the net sum of our past collective inactivism and complacency. You have a point there Nur.

^^^^ @ "nomad giving a sabbaaxad to a dayeer" and "daanyeero to attack the city for a "military exercise" purpose...waa xeelad dagaal" They probably heard something. This is pre-emptive attack...gathering danger from all the directions...u know the awe and shock thing a la bamboon style .

^^According to LANDER, those who can articulate a diametrically opposed position on the secession are “completelly submerged in their own closed minded ideals” and they just “ can't seem to see beyond the tip of their nose” Don’t look very far, he said, “just look at the response given to you by the above Nomad”. That would be me. Very clever! What does he said about the topic other than applauding for some and condemning others, nada! There we go again sxb. Back to the topic and sis Yasmine, Walaal it is very nice of you if you want to induce nomads to engage a “thought-provoking” discussion. I welcome the challenge. Reading your posts, I think you are a good addition to the SOL nomads and I’m really looking forward yet another mind stimulating post from you. However, the inherent logic of your line of reasoning in this post is bit fussy as it renders the “Somali Weyn” adherents a supporters devoid of practical considerations on the grounds of them not being doubtful of what they stand for. Not to mention the didactic tone that you have adopted from the get go - read my delineations and if you experienced doubt, you will be welcomed to the world designated for realist! If you don’t, give another shot again.... you might come around as if the 11 enquiries covered the entire espectrum! Implicit in this is that by merely doubting the cause one stands for one would be realistic. By logical extension, those who stand by their views, cause, conviction 100%, they are simply fanatics. As to the term (separatism), I defined, as I understood it in the Somali context. Even though we think in generalities, we live in details. This is about Somalia (specific) and groups are not any groups. Hence, generic definition taken off from the dictionary would not fit in all "contexts". That being said, groups should be spelled out; are they sectarian, ideological, ethnic, or are we dealing with tribal communities? I hope you now see where I was coming from. Am I wrong uttering the “tribal” viewpoint? Prove me wrong after all this is a “thought-provoking” discussion. I have yet to see a serious nomad who takes “Somali weyn” doctrine on its merit and refutes it objectively if he opposes its tenets. Let me put the record straight at once. This concept is a relic in its origin. There is no organized “Somali Weyn” camp as far as I know. It is morally sound, unifying and empowering doctrine. It is not impediment to the peace process and the reconciliation effort. It has never been. It had failed once for a reason. It is worth studying what went wrong. The practical considerations: Is it attainable? Yes. Not that I have done feasibility study myself but considering the multiethnic composition, abject poverty of the both countries in question, the recent history of the annexation, self-determination movement in Ethiopia, and our insistence on them, I concluded that it is a question of when. Is it difficult? Yes but it will need time and strong, unified Somali state. Are the recent setbacks in the Somalia that once existed reversible? Yes. It has a merit. I’m very interested in listening to those who say otherwise. We can always explore the ways we can attain this noble goal once we settle whether it has merit or not. I’m 100% behind it and I will change my stand when I’m shown reason to not merely to get on board on the bandwagon that is headed to the realist world.

OG-Moti Don't get frowned! If you think you are not a nerd then you are not. Nerd is a name attributed to programmers, engineers, and people whose work is to spend a lot of time in designing, writing programming languages, etc. Generally folks who are so into their profession enjoying every bit of it are called nerds, geeks and what not. I didn’t know you were so sensitive. Take solace that I too have been called a nerd at times. Nothing to it other than you are workaholic type of person.

MMA, have mercy on these American singers...will u? ILHAAM. At least I gave a warning...didn't I? Dawaco, right on! are u a nerd? Darman, it is show time friend. Where is your work? I'm waiting...

I hear you!

How far? Very far I guess till I’m sure the ‘calaf’ is not there. The object of your devotion should know. In the process, you want to impress her…time, effort, reputation…you invest all…that is far enough. Somehow you are too blind to read the writings on the wall. You always find explanations for the unpromising signs, rejections, etc. It is weird! Take it from old school, it is not like you weep and look miserable. No! The routine doesn’t change, schooling, work, socializing, etc things stay same. If you are the kind of person who likes to get what he wants then you kind of get disappointed when things don’t go your way. If you are persistent person then you find yourself trying very hard. From there you find letting your heart take control over your head...! Once this hard to explain tender ineffable feeling and solicitude toward her sinks in, you will definitely risk looking a fool for love. No? You must be a tough nut to crack then. My guess is those of you who have been opened by life’s betrayals and have touched the center of their sorrow can attest to the unrestrained power of love. If you are not in that league then it is easy said than done! The same is true when you are loved…as Hibo said, it is not your cup of tea.

I am realist and I am for Somali-Weyn. It appears that the poster divides the nomads between realist (those open to new solutions such as secession) and those living under the dangerous illusion of idealism (those who advocate for the unity of Somalis). Nothing wrong with that except it is just an opinion. Opinions can be wrong and opinions also vary since reasonable people can sometimes disagree on issues under discussion. However, under close scrutiny, the logic (or the lack thereof) behind these arguments and opinions become clear. First in order to clear up any misconceptions about the terms (“Somali Weyn”, separatism) used in this post, we should at least agree on their meaning in the context of Somalia and Somalis. Separatism! What does that mean? I don’t know about the poster’s understanding on this term in the Somali context but mine is this: a group characterized by bigoted adherence to factional/tribal viewpoint want to secede from the rest of Somalis. What do we mean by “Somali-Weyn”, the term? My understanding of it is that this concept is simple and noble one. It says ethnic Somalis, no matter where they reside, are citizens of the republic of Somalia. It promotes, by legal means, the union of the all Somali territories. We are not claiming sovereignty over the adjacent Somali territories (Ogade.ia, NFD). However, we would like to see the fellow Somalis living in them be granted the right of self-determination so they will have an opportunity to decide for themselves what their status would be. How, when, and what cost are all valid questions that needs to be worked out. It should be noted that Somalis in Djibouti share the country with Anfar. Splitting a city-state such as Djibouti is not a priority to us considering the fact that: they are free from subjugation, the French factor, and the Ethiopian claim over Anfar as ethnic Ethiopian. I think it is a good compromise. That is, in a nutshell, what the Somali-weyn camp is advocating for. This view is distinctly different than the clannish, partisan and separatist viewpoint that holds peace in Somalia requires a disjunction of some regions from the Somalia that once existed. One thing is clear and that is as of today we are not in a position to realize these aspirations. Tomorrow, as always, is another day. Today peace, reconciliation, reconstruction, and rehabilitation are the priorities we need to focus on. Once the former state gets recuperated, the ideas brought forward by Somali-weyn can be examined and if deemed valid it can be adopted as national foreign policy. Now, Yasmine has asked us 11 questions! Or did she? The last sentence makes all her inquiries like a speech punctuated by rhetorical questions. For one thing, she is wrong to lump Somali-weyn as idealist and the secessionist as realists. Both groups have not succeeded in attaining their goals yet. What makes one idealist and the other realist? On a second look, Somali-weyn camps are the realists here. Even though the former republic had disintegrated into fiefdoms based on the support of the local clans, still in the eyes of the African neighbors and in fact in the eyes of international community Somalia is a failed state whose territorial integrity is sacrosanct. The burden of dismantling the territorial integrity of this failed State proved to be a tall order for secessionist. If anyone is under illusion, in my humble opinion, the secessionist are; the ones whose case rests on the colonial legacies in the distant past and transgressions committed by regime that is no longer in power. It is pertinent to note that the very justifications that is used to dismember the Somalia that once existed, the same can be used to divide the would-be seceded states. Thus the reality of: if Somalia is divisible so is the fiefdoms that will be erected from the ashes of the former state. Having said that, I should note one important imperative that anti-secessionist always insists on but gets lost in the argument when polemicist get excited. And that is peace within the Somalia is the first milestone that we should all worked toward. Then and only then can we implement our collective national aspirations whatever they may be. If you insist that Somali-weyn camp are idealists because we would like to see Somalis unite and the ones under foreign occupation attain the freedom they yearn for, so be it.

CLICK ON THE WORD HORSE AND BE READY FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT! Horses Wait for the entire screen to load up with all 4 horses & a fence in front of them -- Then, click on each horse. Re-click on any horse to make it turn off, or turn it back on again. Be sure your speakers are turned up! What a programming achievement :cool:

Samurai iyo Sophist inkastoo ay yihiin rag mudan in wax la weydiiyo haddana hadiiba halka aad beegsatey waan gartey oo nin hadal loo dedo maahi. Oodweynoow waa runtaa oo innagu weynu kala durugsanahey oo ood-wadaag ma nihin. Misana Somalidu hablaha waa kala guursataa oo dee waxuba waa isku fir. Xagayagana sideedaba hablaha tii mudan baa qeymo leh koley danaakiliyo iyo meheri ku tahay bal iska daa Somali e. Sidaas oo ay tahay cidi haatan aannu wada xididno kuma odhan. Waa adiga 60-kii ka sharqamiyey e, berrigii waqtigaa ka horeeyey adigaan sooyaalka taariikhda mindhaa wax ka aqoon ee innaga yaa nala tuhmi jidhey oo naruur ayeyba u aheyd cidaan wax ka guursano Waa nimanka deeqdii hanbaday, hibo Ilaaheeye, Waa niman intay hodon yihiin, hoog ku sii daraye, Waa niman gob baa lagu hirtaa, lagu hagaagaaye. Waa nimanka daaraha hurdiyo, harac dallaal weyne, Waa niman xariira huwanoo, huga ku laafyoone Waa nimanka haashaarka gole, marada haafeeyne. Waa nimanka doonyuhu Hindiga, uga himbaartaane Waa niman haruur iyo bariis, hoyga loo dhigaye Waa nimanka haanfuuqayee, timirtu hoos taale. Waa niman haleeliyo horweyn, heel ka buuxsadaye Waa niman adduun lagu huroo, maal hareeriminne Waa niman intay wada habceen, heeshiguun dhiciye Waa niman hingaar lama watee, haybad guursada e Waa niman hablaha ay qabaan,halalac leeyaane, Sida heegadoo curatay bay, shuqul hillaacaane Haddase macne badan baa is bedalay oo dadkii diin iyo xikmad baa u siyaadey oo waa leys dhexgaley oo leys guursadey. Anaa ubax sare ah iyo anaa miidii ah hablahu muraad kama leh marakan.

Gediid, Awoowe khaatumada Allah ha na waafajiyo horta! Koley caalim annigu ma ahi laakiin waxaan cilmi dhegood ku maqley in towbada saqiir iyo kabiirba looga baahan yahay. Paltalkna maba aqaan hadiise humaag kuu muuq-muuqdey oo aad iga dhex aragtey ruwaayada kuu shidan hadde shido ma leh oo waan iska qaatey. Sideedana waa macne igu cusub nin ina rag ah oo waliba baar-qab oo labaatankii sare u dhaafey oo misana leh caruur baan ahey oo hebellaa iga weyn oo miis rag leeyahey fac tiris la soo shir tagey.

Doob dareen baa dileydii baa dhabowdey! Nasirka aan wareystey iyo libinta aan ninka abwaanka ah aan u qirey miyaad ka daalacatey sida iyo meelaha aan hablaha kala haasaawo ama kula caweeyo? Raga aad ka sharqmisey dareen ba'an iyo day-dreamka aad ku jidho kulama qabaan ee akhyaarta oo idil ha la tilmaamo ninkaa Gediid ah yaan ula jeedey! Oodweyne hadii haatan uu wali doob yahay hadde a annagu ma caawin karno oo shisheeye yuu noo arkaa oo xagaa iyo talyaani buu nagu urinayaa ma aqaan hadii aad addigu passport aad siineysid qallanjada loo tilmaamo