Alle-ubaahane and sareeda many thanks for posting --------------- The Axis of Hegel Posted on Monday, March 29, 2004. “...martyrs are always ready when the executive committee calls for them†Originally from “Assassins and Nihilists,†Harper's New Monthly Magazine, vol. 63, iss. 375, August 1881. By Hugh Craig. Two organized societies have made murder a factor in politics. Their founders were separated by hundreds of years in time, and by thousands of miles in space, and lived, one in a Christian, the other in a Mohammedan country. Both reached their terrible practical goal by paths which started from abstract philosophical disquisitions. The corruption of Arabian theology produced Hassan-Ben-Saba;[1] the degeneration of European philosophy produced Bakunin[2]. Assassins When God created the world—so runs an Arab tradition—He took two pieces of clay. One He cast upward, with the words, “This to heaven, and I care notâ€; the other He hurled downward, saying, “And this to hell, and I care not.†According to Palgrave, the tradition in no wise exaggerates the orthodox Mussulman[3] doctrine of predestination. Against such teaching revolt was inevitable, and equally inevitable was it that revolt against the dogma was followed or accompanied by rebellion against the “Commander of the Faithful,†whose sword upheld the dogma. The East, even during the age of the Companions of the Prophet, swarmed with heresies. At the great university established at Cairo by the Fatimite or Ismailite caliphs, there were professors who denied the inspiration of the Koran, who asked why God took six days to make the world, when, if He were omnipotent, He could have made it in a moment, and who ridiculed the statements that Moses walked through the Red Sea, that Christ raised the dead, and that Mohammed cut the moon in two by a wave of his cimeter. According to the Arabian historians Makrisi and Nowairi, the pupils of this institution passed through a regular curriculum of skepticism, which culminated in the maxim, “Nothing is to be believed; everything may be done.†At Nishapoor, in Persia, there was a great teacher of the law, the Imam Mowaffek. “I found there,†writes one of his pupils, Nizam-ool-moolk, “two other pupils of my own age newly arrived, Hakem Omar Khayyam and the ill-fortuned Ben-Saba. Both were endowed with sharpness of wit and the highest natural powers, and we three formed a close friendship. “One day Hassan-Ben-Saba said to us, ‘It is a universal belief that the pupils of Mowaffek attain to fortune. If we all do not attain thereto, one of us surely will. What shall be our mutual pledge?’ We answered, ‘What you please.’ “‘Well,’ he said, ‘let us make a vow that to whomsoever this fortune falls, he shall share it with the rest equally.’ “‘Be it so,’ I replied. I went from Khorassan to Ghuznee and Cabool, and rose to be the Vizier of the Sultan Alp Arslan.†Khayyam rejected the offers of his old school-fellow. With far different spirit, Hassan demanded, in the tone of neglected virtue, his share of office and of power. His claims were admitted; but he used his high place only to intrigue against his benefactor. He was driven from the court of Bagdad, and fled to Ispahan, a moody and disappointed man. His religious opinions became unsettled; his belief in human friendship had experienced a shock. “Oh, that I had,†he exclaimed, “but two faithful friends at my devotion!†Finally, like Augustine, like Ignatius Loyola, like Wesley, like Newman, like Mills, he experienced that crisis in his spiritual life which is most fitly styled “conversion.†He sought teacher after teacher, and finally set out from his distant home to visit the spot which he now deemed the very source of truth, the skeptical college of Cairo. The ex-minister of a sultan, Hassan was no ordinary convert, and met with no ordinary reception. The head of the college, the dai el doat, or “missionary of missionaries,†met him at the frontier, the high officers of the court waited upon him when he arrived, and the Caliph placed a palace at his disposal. Henceforth Hassan seems to have held that the highest truth was the formula already quoted, “Nothing is to be believed; everything may be done.†For a second time Hassan's ambition and spirit of intrigue soon led to banishment. He returned to Persia by devious wanderings, making converts as he advanced. By their aid he obtained possession of a hill fort, Alamoot, “the Vulture's Nest,†where he could defy the troops of the sultan. It was to Hassan what Geneva was to Bakunin.[4] From it he derived the title by which his successors are best known in the history of the Crusades, the Old Man of the Mountain. There he organized his society into ever-narrowing circles of Aspirants, Believers, Teachers, and Devoted. Thence he and his successors decreed death to the bravest and proudest of his foes. Against the wielders of the sword the Assassins brandished the dagger, and neither prince nor caliph, Mohammedan nor Christian, could escape their reign of terror. Conrad of Montferrat, King of Jerusalem, was stabbed to death in the streets of Tyre by two Assassins who had been for six months in his service waiting for the opportunity. The Sultan Saujar found a dagger implanted in his pillow, and received a letter bidding him to take warning, or the next time the dagger would be lodged in his heart. Henceforth, in fact, no man's life in the East was safe. The chiefs of the Assassins always affirmed that they killed no man for money or private revenge. “It is our habit,†says a letter attributed to one of their chiefs, “to admonish those who have acted injuriously in anything toward us or our friends, and if they despise our admonition, to punish with severity by our ministersâ€â€”almost the identical words which the executive committee of the Nihilists published in their organs respecting the death of Alexander II. Nihilists During the reign of the Emperor Nicholas, Moscow was the head-quarters of the opposition to his system of government. Old Believers who hated the Established Church, old Russians who hated modern ideas, Slavophils who detested the German influence, Panslavists who dreamed of a still larger Russia, discontented nobles, romantic poets, freethinking philosophers, liberals of all shades, found there a Cave of Adullam. Ivan Bakunin, the son of a wealthy noble, had been educated at the imperial school of artillery cadets. He graduated honorably, but instead of being placed in the Guards, he was sent to a lonely post in the interior. Here, with nothing but trivial details demanding his attention, and cut off from all congenial society, the young lieutenant became melancholy and reflective. He neglected his duties, was forced to resign, and at once proceeded to Moscow. Here he met Herzen, Tourguéneff, Aksakoff, and others, all young, all enthusiastic, and all devoted students of Hegel. Their days were spent in perusing the “Logik†and “Aesthetik†of their oracle, and their nights in animated discussions as to his meaning. Friends who in other respects had been inseparable fell out for weeks together over their various conceptions of the nature of Absolute Intelligence. Bakunin declared that he would make the study of Hegel's Logic the business of his life. “Hegel's views,†he wrote, “are allied to our socialistic theories. His philosophy makes men free; it leaves no stone in Christendom unturned; it liberates the world from obsolete traditions.†Having learned all that Moscow could impart, he went to Berlin, and listened to the Hegelian expounder Michelet. But even Berlin did not satisfy his thirst for knowledge. He removed to Halle, and imbibed wisdom from the lips of Arnold Roge. In the Halle Jahrbücher for 1842, Bakunin made his first appearance in print. “The Positive,†he writes, “exists only in the contrary of the Negative; the destruction of the one is the completion of the other. Moderation is impossible, for it implies that both are equally true or false. The Negative alone determines the balance, and comprehends the totality of the contrast.†Then, leaving mere discussion of the master's great principle of the “identity of contraries,†he waxes more impassioned: “Let us cry aloud, 'Repent, repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!' The spirit of Intelligence, the ever young, the ever newborn, is not to be looked for among the ruins of the past. It destroys and annihilates only because it is the fathomless and ever-creating fountain of all life.†Noble words, which, alas! like Hassan-Ben-Saba's search for truth, ended in strange results. We need not speak of Bakunin's life during the eventful years of 1848 and 1849. He was in the thick of every insurrection. From Paris he went to Prague, from Prague to Dresden. He advised the insurgents to burn Dresden in order to save it from capture, and when taken prisoner himself, declared to his captors, “In politics the issue alone determines what is a crime and what is a noble action.†The Saxon government handed him over to Austria, Austria transferred him to Russia, and after long confinement in the Schlüsselburg, the most dreaded of Russian prisons, the hapless Hegelian was sent to Siberia. He escaped under circumstances which involved that violation of his parole from which men of honor shrink. When he returned to Europe, his welcome was a cold one. He alienated all shades of the revolutionary party by his cynicism and inconsistency. When, in 1867, the International Society was formed, Bakunin joined it, but soon formed from among its more advanced members a new body, “L'Alliance de la Démocratie sociale.†The programme of this new society was at entire variance with the programme of the International. It demanded “the abolition of the state, the extirpation of all religion, collectivism not communism, an organization of society from below by its own voice, not from above by authority.†Even within this alliance Bakunin organized a smaller and more select body, “The Secret College of Brethren,†which carried on the organization after his death. It is these secret brethren who teach that “killing is no murder, but a just punishment,†who threaten kings on their thrones and ministers in the cabinet, who demand the “suppression of God,†and proclaim that their immediate object is anarchy. The field of action of Bakunin's society is Russia, because there it finds a people at once simple-minded and fanatic, there it finds a nation honey-combed with secret sects of the wildest tenets and strangest practices, and because there it can command the faith of disciples as self-sacrificing as Hassan's “Devoted Ones.†During the Crusades, Henry, Count of Champagne, visited the Syrian chief of the Assassins. The Frank prince boasted of the courage of his fellow-Crusaders; the Assassin made signs to two of his followers to leap from the towers of his castle, and they plunged down to certain death. Peter the Great and Frederick I of Prussia are the subjects of a similar story. “Let us see,†said the Czar, “which of us is obeyed the best. Order one of your troopers to jump down this precipice.†Frederick gave the word. The German soldier asked permission to go home and say good-by to his wife before making the leap. Peter signed to a Cossack. The man dashed forward to the giddy verge, when the Czar dragged him back. “My subjects,†he exclaimed to Frederick, “place my orders before their families.†Such, today, is the devotion of the Nihilist to the orders he receives: martyrs are always ready when the executive committee calls for them. This dreaded body assumed its present form in 1878, when, in the dark woods and forests of Litepsk, the first convention of terrorists was held. The organization is at once elastic and strong; it consists of autonomous groups and an evershifting centre. One day the committee meets in London, another day in St. Petersburg, another day in Geneva. It has command of large sums of money, for on entering the society the neophyte surrenders his fortune as well as his liberty of action, and it employs all the resources of modern science for its destructive ends.

^Good read!

Somali English sanboor = sinusitis Jamaal, Waan kugu tashaneynaa ee ogow sxb.

The State of the Union, Mr Speaker, The ladies and gentlemen in SOL chamber, My fellow citizens, good morning. Few weeks ago, I made a solemn pledge that our ideals, our values, and our faith in anarchy will stay undisturbed under my watch. I’m here to declare that my administration did its utmost to preserve the status quo. We worked very hard to abolish the stability-divide that rendered our great country a country that harbors sissy doves. We went into action in the North and we succeeded to use the skills (dividi et impera) of the members of my administration gained from the previous administrations. Today there are two standing armies in that area ready for action. The foot soldiers in these highly trained militias are made up from relatives (abtis, seedi, sodok, ina-abtiyaal, ina-eedoyaal)! In the month of the Ramadan, my fellow citizens, will be a month to remember. These relatives will kill their fellow brothers for the sake of their “country†unless the dovies manage to pull another stunt on us. In the south, our mercenaries had a field day. We were attacked by a true anarchist - one who wanders aimlessly. This sore loser is not on the same page with us. We didn’t give him a piece of the “expected†Maandeeq so he broke from the party line. Our complicated “coalition of convenience†knew what to do without further instruction. They cornered him and they made an example of that ungrateful anarchist of ours. He is done for good this time. In his place we prefer to use the potential disputes within this “coalition of convenience†to further propagate the fruits of anarchism and its timeless ideals that our administration is so committed to advance. I grin every time world leaders such as Bush steal a line from my administration. Surely, you have all heard by now the words “liberty†and “freedom†and big vision behind it. In the economic front, things are not as good as we expected. Arab states in the Gulf have reopened the “livestock†trade. That is not good at all, as this trade will give employment to many herders, drivers, brokers, security guards, and landlords. Likewise, the housing market will recover from recession. This will serve as stabilizing factor because it will deny anarchist much needed recruitments as the pool of unemployed disgruntled male dwindles. Our friend of Djibouti is doing some needed service for his Somali brothers. As a result, a deal is made with Arabs to use Djibouti ports! That is not enough but it will sure ease our anxiety for time being. In the political front, we’ve made progress in many fronts. We have made the reconciliation effort a non-issue. The real estate redistribution has no weight in the discussion. We have institutionalized “negative†tribalism as the state ideology. We have rendered the government functions and its services as lucrative corporate departments given as entitlement to preferred clans as their share of our beloved Maandeeq. Votes are for sale for the highest bidder. In Nairobi, We are doing big man! to use a phrase from the Somali gangsters in America’s hoods. Once again, the state of the country is healthy and our people, our country as well as our leaders are doing very good job. Ladies and gentleman the state of the union is more than good. We are aware that we didn’t have a good year but rest assured we have plans to exceed the current growth of anarchism. ------------- The speech of the president as it appeared on the Anarchist Magazine under e-Nuri Political Satires

Here it is...I'm calling Jamaal but this is for a warm up exercise to "tuurasho". I suspect that there r several hidden treasures in this cyber jungle. May be some learned poet will correct my "deel-qaaf" and show us how it is really done. Ba’da gabay Jamaaloow waa adigii abid baanni ku ahaaye, Baabuu yahay naxwaha waa adigii baray, badowdan shabaga buuxdaaye, Biladiyo waa adigii ku helay beeso badaniyo, badh iyo dheeraade, Bal noo tuuro goo boowoow, beryahan waan basaas nahaye! Hala beydhbeydhin murtida, maantoo kaley kuu banaan tahaye, Ku bar goo halkaan cayimay, macnuhu waa baab kalaa yimide, Biidhaami boholaha dar baa nagu jira, aan boocna garaneyne, Baxar baxuur hanala gelin baaqu waa ba’ hoos ku baraleey e! Bartaan ku shaxeyniyo heedhe shabagan badi lawada buuxo, Ee baabuu yahay maaweelka beydh iyo gudub la isugu beego, Ee aan misana barakada laheyn, karaamaduu berri lahaa, Maxaa beddelay golaha, beelyey miidii buunka laheyde? Bilowba sheekhii aan u imid inuu na baro baabul aakhira, Ee baro la saaryoow hor illaahey buuga ugu qaatey, Baarigii Nur waakaa ka baqooley subax, Beel kalaa timide Maxaa looga baaqsaday kolkey badowdu, beentii weeye tiri? Hablaha bilicda iyo kartida loogu daray baarinimoda la sheego, Iyo barbaarta u wada dhabacan ee dooni, ee biidna garan weydey, Kolay barashiyo waa heleen fursad, calafku waa beytka kaa xiga e, Maxaa baqaha shuushka ku riday, waaba baaba suufi xaajaduye?

Innaa Lilaahi Waa Innaa Ileyhi Raajicuun. Alla yaa arxama.

Glad US viewers will have chance to see what the Man has to say about that incident. Oct 1st on ABC - that is Friday (prime time). Many thanks Tamina.

Muraad, Carabiga iyo afafka shisheeya inaka daa sxb. Hawsha xoogeedu waa in la is jirabo oo la helo erayo dhab ahaan Soomaali ah oo lagu bedesho kuwa qalaad. Ingiriis hadii Carabi lagu bedalo hadde maxaa inoo kordhay! Awoowe Muraad ma ila socotaa? Wax badan baan idinka faa'iidey waxna waa ii laaban yihiin. Mahad badan akhyaarta.

You might wanna check this one out!

Gediid, Anniga ma qorrin Waan inkiray Waa cajiib maxaan ka waday? Shoo, Ninkaan wax ma cafiyo waa u jeedaa sida odayga u daba joogo...maxaan ka yeelaa

Subax wanaagsan, Dhamaan waad mahadsantihiin. Jamaal sxb waxaan kaa codsanayaa hadii aad awoodid in aad erayada noo kala huftid. Inta la yaqaan ee qaamuuska (English - Somali) ku taal iska tuur. Rag baa shaqadaas innooga hagaagey oo naga xigsadey. Inta aan la aqoon ee akhyaarta halakan timaada ay ku deeqeen noo ururi oo iyada oo hufan oo taxan noo soo bandhig markii ay xoogaa isku gaaraanba. Hadaan todobaadkii toban eray oo cusub aan helno, waxaan markaa heleynaa 520 erayo sanadkiiba! Ma xuma! project = ? program = ? surveillance = ? survey = ? draft = ? calculator = ? royalty = ?

Gaasira, Whatever happened the inter-library loan services they used to have anyway? Xerox copy will save the day Gaasira and yes buying will take bite out of my meager account. Why buy when Xeroxing will do, right? Save the dough is my motto. I’m kinda obsessed with the idea of attaining financial freedom - one of these days Insha’Allah. I say thanks for the offer sis that’s very kind of u. Now I know I will try to remember that u owe me one favor...and make no mistake I will indeed use it wisely . Upon reading Philip Johnson’s thoughts, are you, by any chance, experiencing a paradigm shift?

That is it! It all comes together. SOL is not a classless virtual gathering place anymore. We belong to different social stratus without being even noticing! If I could only be in the upper-upper class with nomads who have the virtual wealth. You know in the real world, in the distribution of material wealth, I’ve been overlooked. It is only fair that I should be placed, along those who made it virtually, in the highest strata. That would be the day. Dawaco why don’t you revise the post and compose it in a way that is sympathetic to my virtual character. I think you and I should be in the same station .

Gediid, Bro you missing the point somehow! I'm not generalizing any group or clan. I'm just confirming what Mr. Shoobaro alluded to as I've been there where I've encountered folks who practice the very pagan custom he mentioned. Now my good friend Caaqil insisted that it is a myth or folklore. That is the context in which this exchange took place. War Gediid got it sxb ...anniga ha ila aadan halkaa iyo meelaan la aqoon Gaasira, Many thanks for the info. I just called them and guess what? They are selling the damn disertation Soft unbound paper: $36 + state tax. (forget what name they've used on this one): $66 + tax. Hard copy: $81 + tax. They wish

Akhyaarta iyo Qallanjo dhuubo-dhex-yar qorran indhadeeq Raula maxay idin la tahay hadii aan qaamuus ka sameyno (online dictionary) erayada aan ururin doono. Wax programmers ah ma idin ku jiraan? War heedhahya qorsha yaaba ii soo baxay oo tan baaban ka dhigan "project" diraacdan Jamaal sxb wax badan baa ka faa'iideystay maqaalkaagii. Maqaalkaas kaligii ilaa 10 eray oo aanan aqoon hadda ka hor yaan ka helay.

Dr. Hassan Ali Mirre ayaa berri uu ka sheekeynayaY baaxada ay leedahay howsha eray-bixinta lagu tafa-tirayo iyo baahida loo qabo in la helo hay’ad dowli iyo mid madani ah oo ruqsad u heysta in ay hawshaa lagu tafatirayo af-Soomaaliaga isu taagaan ayaa wax uu tusaale u soo qaatey lixdameeyadii culeyska ay dawladii ugubka aheyd berigaa ay la kulantay. Waxa uu yiri waxa la garan waayey magacyadii loogu yeeri lahaa wasaaradaha dowlada. Ministary of Tourism iyo kuwa kale oo badan, tusaale ahaan, ayaa la I yiri af Soomaali u dhigma baadi goob. Hassan waxa uu ka taariikheeyey sidii uu ku helay dhiga “tourismâ€. Waxuu yiri waxaan ka helay miyiga. Haweeneey Soomaaliyeed baanu weydiiney bal in ay taqaano sida loo tibaaxo qofka daawasho aawadeed ugu safra dal shisheeye. Waxay tiri waxaan maqli jiray barbaar ku heesta: Dalxiis iyo daawashaanu nahaye, Hablow ma dabaal - dageysaan! Erayo boqolaal ah bey sidaa ku uririyeen oo ay dawladii berigaa jirtay ku xalisay in la af-Soomaaliyeeyo hey’adaha iyo manaahijta shisheeye ee ay nidaamkii dawladnimo ee ku cusbaa Soomaalida uu la yimid. Waxaan jeclaan lahaa in aan ogaado hadii uu jiro qof garanya eraydan waxa af Soomaali lagu yiraahdo (hal eray): Pink = ? Institution = ? Telephone = ? Maroon = ? Calendar = ? Chart = ?

Illaahoow qof wax noo sheega ha noo waayin. Shoobaro aad baad ugu mahadsan tahay in aad I qabato. Waxaan is lahaa af Soomaali la wada garan karo wax ku qor. Waaba annigaa dhigay ka dar oo dibi dhal. Hadiiba uu addigii kugu adag yahay maxaad kuwa kale moodaa. Bal aan yara jilciyo hadaba. Ujeedadu waa in la kala faa’iideysto oo qofba waxa u ka yaqaano erayda (kalamadaha amaba weedhaha) qalaad amaba shisheeye uu af Soomaali u bedalo. Tusaale ahaan erayada ay ka mid yihiin: column, calendar, chart, file, etc waa aqaan macnahooda laakiin eray af Soomaali dhab ah oo erayadaa u dhigma ma hayo. Hadabba waxaa laga yaabaa addiga Shoobaro ah in aad taqaano. Waxay ila noqotay in aan aan sameyno bog lagu ururiyo erayada nagu adag ee aan af Soomaali ahaan eynaan u aqoon. Mar labaad waa mahadsan tahay Shoo inna Baro. Waa yahay hadaba yeysan naga baahin dee!

Maqaalkan waxaa igu dhaliyey Abwaan Jamaal. Jamaal waa xubin ka mid ah gudoonka shabakada SOL sida xilkisnimada iyo hagar la’aanta ay ku dheehan tahay ugu hawlgala. Waxaan qabaa in SOL ay noqotay goob ay dhalinta Soomaaliyeed ee dacalada adduunka ku kala firirsan isku weydaarsadaan aaraada, isku bartaan, ku sheekeystaan, isku wacyi galiyaan, ku soo bandhigaan xirfadahooda suugaaneed, xogta gudaha iyo dibada ku kala qaataan, ku kaftamaan, amaba maaweelo iyo madadaalo u soo raadsadaan. Anniga oo ka mid ah akhyaarta halakan u timaada maaweelada iyo madadaalada ayaan waxaan ku diirsaday fikirka ah in bal aan curino maqaal ujeedadiisu tahay in lagu ururiyo erayada aan la garaneyn dhigooda wax af Soomaali lagu yiraahdo. Waxaa suuro ah in ay jiraan dad garanaya. Waxa kale oo dhici karta in aanba loo heyn eray Soomaali ah oo dhab uga tarjuma micnaha eraygaa. Annagoo ka duuleyna arrintaa kuna kalsoon garashada iyo hal abuurka dhallinta shabakadan soo booqata amaba mustaqbalka dhow laga yaabo inay ku soo biirto, ayaan waxa ay nala noqotay bal innaan bilowno maqaal bilow u noqda hawshaas. Waxaa xusid mudan in aanan annigu ka mid ahayn gudoonka wax xiriir gaar ahna aan la laheyn amaba ujeedo gaar ah aanan ka lahayn. Intaas waa iga hordhac! Kolay afkaartiinana waad ku biirin doontaan laakiin sida aan is leeyahay waxa haboon in Jamaal amaba gudoonka shabakada ay inoo maamulaan oo hadalka inoo qeybiyaan si aan la isugu dhex yaacin ama aannu hadalku inooga baahin sida mararka qaar dhacda. Qaabka iyo nidaamka sidoo kale ha innoo cayimaan. Sidoo kale waxaan annigu qabaa in aan la isku qabsan lahjadaha kala duwan ee Soomaalidu ku hadasho. Ujeedadu waa eray bixin. Sidaa daraadeed marba hadii eraygu Soomaali yahay hadde waaba kaan raadineyne. Ugu danbeyn, akhyaarta af-Soomaaligu dhibka ku yahay waan u cudur daaraneynaa. Shakhsiyan annigu waxaan aqaanaa shakhsi halakan ku dhashay oo xil weyn iska saara in uu luqada si waafi ah ugu hadlo oo wali ay dhib ku tahay. Maqaalkan looma furin in lagu casilo ama lagu cambaareeyo afka hooyo kuwa uu dhibka ku yahay. Qofkii garasho leh waxay ila tahay inuu garan karo sababta. Waa inakaa. Jamaal, Nuune halkaa ka sii amba-qaada.

Che, Ever heard the maah maah "Ragna ma aha, Ragna wax uma oga" Now substitute the "rag" with some known politicians be it SLer, PLer, NOer, or any other ambitious politician in Somalia and/or its regional parts and you will see that it is not reer Mogadishu or any other city that it is obsessed with them but the leaders themselves are the ones who are making news everyday. Inna Yeey is a newsmaker! If your characterization of reer Mogadishu is right, I can only guess why! I think it is because inna Yeey challenged effectively the notion that for Somalia to stabilize Mogadishu must be neutralized. In so doing one of the many personalities of the clans who reside must be given the top position. That was the position of the PL elites namely Inna Hajji Hussein, Galeydh, Inna Ali Mirre, Inna Abshir Haamaan, and the co. Here you have Inna Yeey with an attitude, overconfidence, and a bit of arrogance in his voice who disdains the appeasement politics. His politics is different from what one would have expected from a "defeated" tribe to quote our resident scholar Mr. Oodweyne. Rather he is on the offensive telling the same personalities Inna Abshir Haamaan thought their support must be garnered that if they don't get on the same page with other so called leaders regardless of their tribe, the stormy rain will wash them into the drain or as he was quoted by the BBC "daadka deyrta baa qaadi doona" I happen to agree with, the softies crowd such as, Inna Hajji Hussein and Inna Abshir Haamaan. If Plers can get the country stabilized in its original unitary form that which Plers retain regional autonomy in our neck of the wood then Plers would be able to manage any crisis just in case. Plers have to compromise and let them have the top seat with so many strings attached. After all, this tribe had been in charge for so long and they have failed the country miserably. Somalia that is federal, powerless in its center-periphery configuration, and unbreakable is something we can live with until new bread of leaders take the helms of power. Inna yeey is a lone wolf, he thinks he knows what he is doing, he made blunder after blunder. Puntland doesn't have an independent panel that advice the administration in political, economical, and social issues of the day. He excluded anyone with iota of independent political judgment and expertise. He antagonized the folks of the North and PL has to maintain standing troops - very costly- to keep eye on that front. He had made a lot of enemies. He cut the support we've been getting from Muslim/Arab states. What a blunder! He has the support of the uncritical admirers who equate the interest of their people with the political ambitions of this particular leader as if the two are mutually inclusive. Waa sidey ila tahay.

Caaqil sxb it is true that folklore stories, stereotypes, stigmatization, etc gain currency in some circles after a while. What I'm writing on the screen is no folklore. It is something I'd encountered in my summer trips to my uncle and my father's farm in Shabeelada Hoose. It ain't kutiri-ku-teen! I trust that you do know what you are talking about. I also believe you when you say that you have embarked a fact-finding mission in all over Somalia. But I have to tell you that if you had ever set a foot in Aalan fuuto/Buulo Warbo farmin area, we wouldn't have this discussion as the facts on the ground speak themselves. I've witnessed someone who slaughtered two cattle for the memory of a dead cattle whose milk he said fed his kids in a notorious drought. He was the elder of the town. He was a Jiido man. FYI people in that town had an accent in Shahada. The first Dugsi was opened after lamo Goodle arrival. I tell you bro this ain't folklore. Admin. my appologies for using clan names on the post in this thread.

Jamaal, Awoowe warkaasu waa war fiican oo waliba ay faa'iido ku jidho. Halkaas qaamuus yaaba inooga soo bixi kara hadii la ururiyo ereyada akhyaarta SOL ay ku biiriyaan maqaalkan. Hadde inoo bilow maqaal cusub oo si uusan innoo ka baahin yar xakamee oo afeef u raaci dad far-waaweyn wax ku garta ayaa innagu jira e. hadii la xiri karo oo aad barta sare inoo saari kartid si aanu maqaalku u dhuminna waaba ka sii fiican.

^ Many thanks Sophist.

OK Caaqil sxb. I'm talking about Garre not the refugees from Siidaamo. Yes there were refugees around Qoryooleey like Xero 1aad & 2aad. But Aalan Fuuto is way in the inland and it is much closer to Jubbada Dhexe than Shabeelada Hoose. Therefore it is not the vicinity of Qoryooleey. In fact it is under Kuntuwaareey district. The story was related to my father and my uncle by five men who were in the town to sell their camels. The women married by their cousin (3 months pregnant) was with them at the time. It is not myth or Kutiri-ku-teen. Perhaps they were lying even though I don't see why would they do that. They were Geeleey from Diinsoor.

Originally posted by Caaqil: Baashi and Shoobaro, That is nonsense! It is sheeko baaraleey. The story narrated by shoobaro is common in the borana and sakuuye community! These are pagans! Caaqil sxb careful there! I'm talking about something I know in first hand. I've seen this happen in Aalan Fuuto, Shabeelada Hoose (about 120 Km SW of Qoryooleey). Never ever dismiss something you have no knowledge again sxb. It is simply plain wrong. Btw, Garre and Jiido don't comprehend each other's dialect. They use Af Maay to communicate.

Shoo inna Baro, That is true hence Garre kisigiis xalaal waa as they say. Kisi means garac ama ***** . Gaarisa, I don't know about that for I don't undestand nor can I speak af Maay. I can guess though the meaning of the phrases but not with mush confidence. Here is an example: Lan ween ma booraaw, or Hunnfooy in koytoo, Haanshoo ii sheentee, Umbureydii doraad, *****ya la siiyee! Both are songs sang by the legendary singer Hassan Adan.