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<cite> @Tillamook said:</cite> Au contraire saaxiib, this constitution is isbaaro proof and there's too much at stake for the Somali people to allow Damjadiid to play games with it. And this ain't no "speculation" Haha no, it isn't. It's a dream. It's truly disappointing but I don't think the "somali people" or the "constitution" will be speaking in that room when 275 men and women gather to take a vote. The only thing that will be present is the same thing that has been present every time a no-confidence vote has been raised against a PM. I hope the PM defeats a motion if it is better for the nation. Perhaps, it may show that things have changed for the better.

<cite> @Tillamook said:</cite> First of all, don't count your chickens before they're hatched saaxiib. The reflective powers of Yuulka's bald head is still blinding and dazzling Damjiid with all their Arab terrorist monies and corrupt MPs in Xamar, and they are yet unable to bring forth this so-called holy grail of a Motion in parliament to oust the PM. Secondly, like Culusow, I believe you're giving way too much credence to the capabilities of our lame duck parliament, which at the moment, is nothing more than a place holder for the real parliament which will be established in 2016. Thirdly, even if a motion to oust the current PM were to be brought to parliament...there is a precedence that was set by the Kampala talk between former President Sharif and his then PM, Farmaajo, that I believe will handicap Culusow in ousting Yuulka. And finally, Culusow does NOT have the support of the international community which protects and funds him in Villa Somalia-- so to insist on this churlish move to oust a PM for merely an individual whose portfolio was switched, is a bit like biting the hand that feeds you. For these reasons and the general incompetence of Culuosow, I believe Yuulka is staying put! That the fellas from the central provinces don't like that the PM signed an agreement that the SFG will respect the constitution and will not mess with North Mudug is neither here nor there. That Sharif Sakiin is very eager to receive his Motion money does not cut it either. What counts is... who is right?(although you say otherwise) You have Yuulka using the constitution--making a huge and impenetrable redoubt of it-- and then you have Culusow, who-- like a headless chicken-- is all over the place. So every right thinking person can foresee where this political fight uu ku biyo shuban doono Till, I appreciate a cohesive response. There aren't too many on this site. I can't disagree with your arguments, simply because we're both speculating. Underlying your reasoning is that the constitution and protocol has any credence. I say it doesn't. It's all about alignment and the PM is standing on the wrong side for now. Quite simply, no one cares about the constitution. But it is a convenient excuse for both sides. Sure, the international community can yell. But they can't stop this motion. Unless, they have "mooshin money." Sure, Hassan may lose in 2016. But there is no way that he will not remove the PM. That's my prediction. Now we wait.

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<cite> @Mooge said:</cite> ^^ fighting for his corrupt friend and dragging the country through mud so that his friend can get his job back will not save him. niyoow, get your priorities straight and tell your HAG family to get their acts together. this is the most nonsense ever. they are willing to destroy the country if their friend is sacked. stop using Puntland as an excuse. if you wish all of Mudug to come under your uncle qaybdiid, you must be a dreamer living inside a swimming pool. lool. Way off base. But i'll indulge. I am not saying what the president is doing is right. I am saying it DOES NOT MATTER if it is right. It's politics. Power politics. Puntland and Mudug are crucial because: (1) The PM signed an agreement with PL that made him a target for the so-called Central State stakeholders. (2) The agreement gave these MPs from Central region reason to oust him and invalidate Garowe agreement. (3) Also, Sakiin and SW state were already in the president's camp. So where does that leave the PM? Out of a job when the motion comes. If the PM understood politics, he would've signed the Garowe agreement AFTER sacking Faarax.

<cite> @galbeedi said:</cite> There is no reason to fire the Prime Ministry. He didn't break the law nor did he became incompetent. 1) The Prime Minister broke the law with the Puntland agreement. That was unconstitutional. 2) He had every right to replace Faarax. But, in doing so, he picked a political fight with the president. 3) He will lose that political fight because he doesn't have the support or the resources to buy it. End of story. <cite> @Holac said:</cite> It is such a shame when foreigners preach our legislators to not take bribe money. Our dirty laundry is out in the open with all to see. Holac, let me help you----FUCK NICHOLAS KAY AND HIS THOUGHTS.

CidanSultan---Get yourself together. You can't dream of a East Africa Muslim Alliance when you're obviously titillated by the demise of Somalia's Muslims. You are the disease that you complain about.

<cite> @CidanSultan said:</cite> Why limit it to Somali's. I want East African Muslim union. 70% of Ethiopia, all of Djibouti, the Muslim portions of Kenya all of Tanzania and Sudan and the Muslim half of eriteria. While you guys comment on AU mercaneries did this and Nicolas kay said we can do that. You people lack ambition. Isn't Somaliland a Muslim land? Let's start the Muslim Union with them.

<cite> @Safferz said:</cite> How is he a gaal? lol. He has an advanced degree from Umm al-Qura, and wrote a provocative, researched book about apostasy in Islam. You engage someone like that with counter-arguments and productive debate, not death threats that have him fearing for his life and that of his family, and making it impossible for him to ever go to Somalia again. It's sad and embarrassing. Better reasoning.

Sure. . .but you didn't answer my question.

Who is this guy? I have never heard of him before before this book. http://www.hiiraan.com/news4/2014/Oct/66861/death_penalty_for_apostasy_not_justifiable_in_islam_somali_scholar.aspx#sthash.vyFFyHRK.dpbs Sheikh Umal's response----http://www.voasomali.com/content/article/2459004.html

<cite> @Tallaabo said:</cite> our country's unrecognised status . Think about that for a minute. Also, This CidanSultan guy is a wonder. All for Islam and Muslim unless they are from Somalia. What's your beef jaale?

<cite> @SomaliaRising said:</cite> Southerner from Xamar will be made president. Uganda clearly said if Southerner is not made president, the situation in Xamar will be like Daraya and Anbar meaning everying will go back to the situation of 2006. Somalis agree that someone from the Xamar Community should be made president and PM should go to someone from Hargeisa or Borama. Xamar folks have the advantage. But, let's be honest, the ultimate advantage is $$$.

HOLAC, You should've posted the video with a WARNING. That was hazardous to the ears. Somalis are smart to go with Ford. Everyone knows you vote for the politician who openly tells you "I AM FULL OF SHIT."

<cite> @Tillamook said:</cite> The President for very obvious and myopic reasons feels that federalism isn't in the interest of his constituents and in turn the influence and power his close Damjadiid cronies have. On the other side, the PM is genuine about fully implementing the federalization program that the provinsional constitution calls and that most Somalis or their representatives have agreed on, and on which the President and the PM were sworn to uphold. This is the true source of this current spat between the 2 leaders. Are you serious?

The PM will not resign before a fight. But, I think, he will resign. There are two ways to do this: 1. A motion---I think he has enough support to survive it. Dam Jadiid has enough enemies and the PM and his new friends in Boosaaso can bankroll his fight against a no-confidence motion. BUT 2. The council of ministers resigns. This is the strategy the President will pursue. If a majority of the ministers resign, then it is likely that the PM resigns. Some of you may know the makeup aka "affiliation" of the Ministers better than me. But I find it hard to imagine that the PM can keep enough of them from leaving the job.

Dr. K may Allah (SW) bless you and continue to enhance the brilliant reasoning abilities and eloquence that you battle the misguided and disingenuous folk. AMN.

http://www.jowhar.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/un.jpg Indho adeeg kkk

He's done. You heard it here first.

Carolineey--shaqo yeelo.

<cite> @Odey said:</cite> I think the elephant in the room is the fact that this has nothing to do with constitution but it is an ego clash. There is an intense need by both these leaders for control, control of Government and the system was designed for "teamwork", sadly both of them are not looking out for the NATION, a a nation of poor, displaced, starving and currently bleeding at the hands of insurgents. this was the time for them to work together....oh and before malister starts pointing the finger at the PM, let's not forget this president had a very corporative PM before and he got rid of him. He has an ego which surpasses the needs of the nation. We do have a major fcuk and we need to get rid of both these muppets. You're absolutely right. It's first and foremost a power struggle. But that's BECAUSE of the federalism process. and what its implementation means for future power distribution. The federalism process is not neutral. It will be shaped by those who hold control over its institutions. And that's what this fight is about. Control of those institutions in order to have favorable outcomes for their constituents (aka clans). The mistake some people are making is that they think either the PM or the PR is right and the other is wrong. Objectively, that's not true. The PM has taken some unconstitutional acts and the president is doing the same. Thus, the constitutional issues are unclear and it's a valid legal fight. But at the very bottom of it--as always--is the deep mistrust that all parties involved hold against all other parties involved.

<cite> @Odey said:</cite> Saxiib thank you for your comments- at least you are logical in your approach unlike some. If i may come back to a few points you made- You are right, presidential powers includes appointing and firing ministers but only after receiving recommendation from PM, whereas the PM has full powers to fire or appoint without needing any further authorisation. In this case,PM comes with the changes and the role of the president is similar to a constitutional monarch and he ascends the bill or recomendation passed to him. Let me be clear , he has other powers but on this issue that is his role. The PM has NOT fired or appointed NEW ministers, he simply moved them around and doesnt need any permission to do so. If i come to the state formation- Again the constitution says that "new" states being formed must be 2 or more provinces pre-1991 provinces and it also clearly says existing states at the time of ratifying the constitution are excempt from intereference in their territorial integrity. So, that means Puntland is out of bounds and the first agreement signed in Xamar was on the wrong side of the constitution. As far as the new state being formed is concerned, unless people are looking to create mayhem, why cant it be galgaduud, hiiraan, shabeelada dhexe and half of mudug, Alternatively if you have an issue with the division of mudug, why not add the remainder of mudug to Puntland, a state that has been in existence for 16 yrs and then have galgaduud, hiiraan and shabelada dhexe as a state. Again, that would be the logical solution but of course, that is not what they want is it?.... Odey, Before we proceed, let me say we are dealing with a flawed document--i.e. the provisional constitution. I do not disagree that the constitution affords the PM the powers that he exercised. It's just that they have been made suspect by the "recommendation" clause. It is vague enough to make this a valid political fight. As for the state formation issue, the constitution states that they have to be pre-1991 borders. So Mudug would have to enter as a whole under those terms. And all the new states will be excluded--including Puntland (formed 1998.) But the political reality is that Puntland exists. So why eliminate it? And can you? The jist of my post was that constitutional issues and how they are going to be resolved are the most important factors right now. That is why this re-shuffling has become a political fight. The president has very little in his favor and the PM knows it.

Odey. It is not as clear cut as you think. Presidential Powers: (e) Dismiss ministers, state ministers and deputy ministers on the recommendation of the Prime Minister; (k)--Appoint senior Federal Government officials and the heads of the Federal Government Institutions on the recommendation of the Council of Ministers; Council of Ministers Powers: (g) Appoint and dismiss senior public officials; (h) Propose the appointment or dismissal of ambassadors, consuls and diplomats; Prime Ministers powers: (b) Appoint and dismiss members of the Council of Ministers; The PM just tried to pull off a major coup. Although, the powers to appoint and dismiss are reserved to him. They are not exclusive to him because they also give the president the power to "appoint" and "dismiss" ministers "on the recommendation" of the council of ministers. See the confusion? If the PM can appoint and dismiss the ministers then why "recommend" it to the president unless he has a say in it? PM STRATEGY: 1) The PM wants to expand his powers. This is the perfect time to do it against a weakened president. His signing of Puntland agreement was clear that a political battle was coming. And he aligned himself square with his kinfolk. 2) The puntland agreement regarding Mudug is crucial. Both sides have a case as to the legality of Puntland + North Mudug OR Mudug (partially controlled by puntland) + Galgaduud because the constitution requires that 2 or more states join and not 1.5 states. The implication is tremendous because it means the weakening of Puntland or Central state. In other words, either HG land or MJ land will be gerrymandered and weakened in the process. But resolving this issue requires constitutional analysis. That is why the Minister of constitutional Affairs CANNOT be Farah Abdulqadir in the eyes of the PM. Why the President Can't Let it Go: If the president lets it go, the PM has a strong case that the powers to appoint and dismiss are EXCLUSIVE to him without consultation with the president. An even stronger case considering that he fired Sanbaloolshe and the president didn't say anything. If the President keeps Farah Abdulqadir as the Minister of Const. Affairs, he wins the constitutional fight. And if you win the constitutional fight, you win EVERYTHING.

<cite> @Tallaabo said:</cite> Those who are celebrating this man are doing so because of clan connections. Tribalism has blinded the Somalis and darkened their soul. Ahem. But onwards, There are other reasons people support M. Siyaad Barre. He is a national figure much like Siyaadka. His methods can be objectively disagreed with but he did rule Somalia at its global peak. And people admire that.