What does what "Ian Birrell" thinks about SL have to do with this conversation?

Adam, If I may clarify myself, I did not say that SL is part of federal Somalia. The minister said that the IC considers them a part of federal Somalia. Now, self-determination can only take this regime so far. But even the British who created the borders are refusing to acknowledge SL as an independent nation. And as the South calms down, the IC (US/WestEurope) will have even less reason to support an independent SL. And that's for one reason only--SL doesn't have the longest coast line in Africa--South Somalia does. Exxon and BP don't care about self-determination. They care about who will give them the contracts to drill. And as long as their political partners in the South give them what they want, they will not recognize SL. Sudan is a good example.

Mintid, Kkkkk you made me laugh walaal. I know what the man said. He said that the entire world thinks of SL as part of Somalia. That the IC views it as a regional state. But where is SL seeking recognition from? It is not the same IC that considers them a regional state? Now the minister has admitted that after 20 years the IC still considers SL a part of Somalia---and not just a part of Somalia but a part of the new federal system in Somalia. That is a big admission that SL independence project is failing. And anyone on a sinking ship, knows well to find harbor. These men are politicians. They know who butters both sides of their bread. It is only a matter of time before they start warming up the SL population to the idea of joining the federal government. Not because they want to but because they must. This project started from Juba, passed through Baydhabo and is now sitting in Cadaado. SL and PL heavyweights know it's coming their way. It is time to position themselves in relation to the smaller territories and communities that they claim to control.

Somalee, Waxaan ini leeyahay--Waa sii jeedine soo jeesta. Wixii aad ka jeesateen la'aantiin lama kabbi karo ee soo jeesta.

Waana isla qumantihiin ka waran. This new generation waa mucjiso--wax kala qeeybin iyo is indotir jeclaa! The evidence is literally staring you in the face. And you can just repeat it over and over and over again. It's not even an issue. Somaliland BY DEFINITION is the land of Somalis aka Somalia. We just post this stuff to bring you guys back to reality. To the rest of us, what Warancade said is common-sense.

Haye.. .bal ii wad sheekada

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpX25ys6DG4 http://www.umadanews.com/?p=5148

Malistar, Xaji Xunjuf and a few others may be the only useful people on this forum. They share good news and support our leaders. Some of you spew hatred and clan superiority camouflaged as political analysis. And the rest of you think this is calaacal.net. Always talking about how one this or another that is stopping your region from being admired by white people. Is that all you aspire to? How about spreading some good news from all regions and sharing the success of those leaders? Or how about wishing the President and the cabinet the best---are they not from all regions of Somalia? Do they not represent all Somali communities? Aren't they all in Xamar? Aren't they working and succeeding at their jobs as Malistar shows us every day? Some of you believe that Somalia would be ruled better if the capital is moved or a different group was given all power in the capital. How ironic! It is like a man with a barren farm saying that if he was given another man's farm he would surely make it bear fruit. How silly to believe that man! Gentlemen, we all share one barren farm. Let's stop with the pettiness and make something of it.

What's YPG?

Ahmed makes his videos on the cheap, with help from an Indian animator he found online. He hopes he will find backing to bring them to a wider audience. When he heard about a planned federal program to counter youth radicalization in the Twin Cities , he e-mailed the staff of U.S. Attorney Andy Luger. That entrepreneurial spirit at work!

<cite> @Holac said:</cite> It is most likely a propaganda. Nope. As Galbeedi Said, that is how the cookie crumbles. The only question is---how large of a cut will C/wali give the parliamentarians who did a great job of protecting the government from corruption.

Dr. K You're spot on with that Booker T quote. This is all manufactured outrage. The real perpetrators are the media who incite an already incited community just to increase ratings. And, of course, all these "wanna-be-helpers" of the black community who in reality are nothing more than people who are paid to claim that everything is racist.

Man, where is Saff when you need her. Unrelated video:

C/Wali's price tag. http://allnabad.com/xog-cweli-oo-isdhiibay-shariif-xasan-oo-cayaar-cajiib-ah-dheelay-jawaari-iyo-puntland-oo-xaal-uu-ku-xun-yahay/

<cite> @Holac said:</cite> Acuudka!! What is this? It is marqaanweeyne.com Get with it.

Oodweyne, Kismaayo is already under the political control of the president. In fact, it is the only federal 'state' that is currently called an "administration." The Jubba folks want the premiership. It's as simple as that. And they're trying to earn it by pushing C/Wali out. As for your Pashtun theory, it is true that the presidency belongs to a certain group. But it may also be impractical to have anyone else as top-man. We're still in a civil war saaxiib. And, you're right, those communities that don't have the resources, numbers in Xamar have no chance of running the political show during this tense time of mistrust and enmity. This only means that the political circumstances favor a specific group. But we have already seen how fast those political circumstances can change. And the prime example is C/Wali. He is losing the political battle. But he might win the war. In a decade, if the Presidential position is still guaranteed for one group but the PM position is legally more powerful (re-shuffling Prez. Cabinet members; making the President a figure-head,) then who will you call the "Pashtun of Somalia"?

Oodweyne, I know what you mean by "looters inc." and "defeated lot." But I do not want to engage in that type of name-calling. I agree with the reality that the presidency belongs to a few--for now. But that is no guarantee that they are in reality more powerful. This is a constitutional and federal system now. The game is different. And the PM is showing us why the game is different. The man can play politics. But let's be honest. As you said before, the Jubba community is waiting in the wing. The stakes are much higher for this PM than Saaciid. If he loses, then he has essentially side-lined his community. That's why he has to fight. Finally, I think the best way to judge your "Pashtun" theory is to see what happens with this PM. A clear and decisive win for the president is to take C/Wali out and still retain Faarax and all the ministers that came against the PM. But if the president can't do that, then your pashtun theory is eh.

This is silly but at least no casualties.

Oodweyne, If anyone won anything, the president would not have struggled for a month to remove this PM. There is no winner and no defeated lot. It all depends on the political objective of the time. As you said, president lost Kismaayo. He got Baydhabo. Now the focus shifts to the central and north. What you call "musical chairs" is only a president trying to get the best man to influence each region. In other words, he knows that we only trust our own. That's really the main problem, mistrust between the leaders and society as a whole.

You need help.

Mintid, This battle was won a long time ago when the president decided that he or the PM must go. There is no way the president is leaving because that means the system has failed. Also, he is simply more powerful than the PM--and we have seen that with the alignment of ministers. But, ironically, his biggest opponents--the men pushing him out--are Xalane and the Jubba community. I have no idea what all their intentions are but we can all imagine some. You're right. The Gedo community is definitely out for now. Xalane is the most viable candidate but remember--the president will have to manage P-Land expectations. That is why I throw Cali Xaaji Warsame in there. He shares an ideology with the president and Faarax. He is well educated. Incredibly eloquent with business acumen. Somali politics is to use one community to influence another. And that is a very difficult act because you must find a man that can be respected/tolerated by most sides that you're trying to influence. C/Wali could not be tolerated by enough sides. And that is he is being shown the door. Till, Denial is not good for the health.

Cali Xaaji Warsame or Xussein Xalane. Cali is the MAN though.

Let's end the speculation. It is over. Source: http://www.hiiraan.com/news/2014/Nov/wararka_maanta18-59103.htm

<cite> @Tallaabo said:</cite> That is right. Although there were many men who did not like the presence of Great Britain in Somaliland and joined rebel movements like the Dervishes, the British were in fact invited in by the traditional leaders of Somaliland as a way of protecting our vital trade with the then British colony of Yemen and also deter the other European imperial powers and the much stronger Ethiopian forces from attempting an invasion of Somaliland. It seemed a win win agreement for both parties. Just so people can see this ^ twice.

<cite> @Tallaabo said:</cite> That is right. Although there were many men who did not like the presence of Great Britain in Somaliland and joined rebel movements like the Dervishes, the British were in fact invited in by the traditional leaders of Somaliland as a way of protecting our vital trade with the then British colony of Yemen and also deter the other European imperial powers and the much stronger Ethiopian forces from attempting an invasion of Somaliland. It seemed a win win agreement for both parties.