Khayr;986649 wrote: I don't get the mentatilty of people who are oppressed in another land and still call themselves as equals to their oppressors. You are not Kenyan and will never be. You are a Somali that has for generations lived in Kenya. This goes for any Somali that has lived in Ethiopia for generations or in the States. This Stockholm syndrome must stop! That documentary was emotional. I felt like the former minister and the faat aszz policeman were real goons. I think part of the problem is an identity crisis. Some people think that having a passport of particular nation will make them members of that nation. Such people are naive. Identity is a complex issue. As you, khayr, noted in another thread Somalis will be victims until they realize what side they are on. In other words, we have to determine our identity. We have been bestowed with the best of identities, that of the believers. Everything else is secondary. As such, I am hurt by the NFD reality on three levels. First, as fellow believers under the occupation of gaalo. Second, the pain the compounded by the fact that they look like me, talk like me, and dress like me. Third, that the oppression is occurring on a place where I have been and, IA, will be in the near future. Until we realize that our identity is intricately tied to our religion, culture, language, geographical origin and, to some degree, the identity claimed by those who look like us, we shall remain fiddling with our reality.

Tallaabo;986626 wrote: Apart from his predictable prejudice against Islam, I think what Allyourbase said is just the harsh truth written in bold capital letters. Ah. If only arguments could be taken at face value so willy nilly. But, alas, reasoned minds do prevail. Allyourbase, fails to mention the respective history of these civilizations. Notice the correlation between scientific advancement and the history of the people in question. No one needs to tell you that Jews are among the oldest people still on this earth. Persia is among the oldest civilizations. Somalia, in my estimation, has yet to become one. The Arabs were roaming and warring tribes before the advent of Islam. Thus, much of their contribution came after Islam. Also, notice that all the Persians he mentions were MUSLIM, thus defeating the initial argument that Muslims did not contribute much to scientific thinking. Perhaps an analogy would help. Consider a first generation college student with illiterate parents and a student whose parents and grandparents were great scholars. Who do you think has the advantage? Most of these arguments are silly. They simply do not take the necessary variables in account. Namely, the simple fact that Allah SW grants different talents to different peoples. See, Black Athletes. They also ignore the particular circumstances that necessitate 'discovery.' A civilization always at war will be incentivized to build weapons. Another will build video-games because they do not face an imminent threat to their existence.

I laugh at the VP position. Entirely unnecessary. Somaalidu jago jeclaa

Safferz;986552 wrote: Re: thefutureisnow, I understood his posts not so much as suggesting background checks/independent verification of a person's character, but explicitly saying men do not owe explanation of their past to a potential spouse. The comments on "not showing your hand" and a spouse as an enemy were quite strange and hopefully his viewpoint represents a minority of how Somali men see relationships. It is a minority viewpoint within the unmarried population.

Jawaari's moment, will he capture it or will he take a trip? Jawaari had to leave, otherwise he would have to do something about the khilaaf. And he knows better than to try.

Safferz;986512 wrote: That's quite the pessimistic outlook on our men. That hasn't been my experience so I don't agree with you, and I know enough stand-up guys to prove your generalization false. Besides, a man who is serious enough to discuss marriage with me but refuses to be open about his divorce is a huge red-flag for trouble and an indication NOT to marry him. On to the next... In a parallel world they say that "guurku waa lagdan. Qofkii marka horre laga kormaro ayaa lagu fadhin abadan." Honest talk of previous relationships, they call that "showing your hand." You might as well fold at that point because you have just handed over heavy ammunition to your future enemy. 'Tis a fun world, ain't it?

http://www.upworthy.com/judge-to-iraq-vet-your-service-in-iraq-makes-you-a-threat-to-society

Safferz;986507 wrote: Hee? It wouldn't be very smart to marry someone who has been divorced without having that conversation first. A long AND honest conversation. . .about the circumstances of a previous relationship? Your expectations of men are too high. Of Somali men, astronomical.

Safferz;986484 wrote: Personally I'm open to marrying a divorced man, but I would want to have long, honest discussions about the circumstances of the divorce, why his previous relationship failed and why he feels this one will be different. lol

Classified;986495 wrote: Beledweyne is located in Somaliland. Hobyo is located in Somaliland. Gedo is located in Somaliland. That makes them Somalilanders. Again, I have no idea what you're talking about. :confused: :cool: I see what you did there.

Xaaji Xunjuf;986429 wrote: This guy should remain locked up he is against the new friendly relations between Kenya and Somaliland. How sure are we he is an Ethnic Somalilander maybe he is an immigrant? Bal inaga so hubi KKKK. You're losing it mate.

Tallaabo;986181 wrote: What do the Jewish people have to do with the evils you mentioned? Almost in every society they live, the Jews occupy the upper echelons of the social hierarchy. They are the professionals, leaders, and the brains of their host society. Sadly, it is mostly the Somalis and other Muslims who are have become synonymous with gang violence, thieving, fraud, drug trafficking, prostitution, suicide bombing, terrorism, and family breakdown. The Jews on the other hand bring up their children in the best possible manner, give them the best education, morals, and the confidence to become the next generation of entrepreneurs, scholars, and leaders. Even in the middle ages when the Muslim world was making huge scientific and social progress, the Jews were playing a major part of that Islamic enlightenment. Back then they were are also the advisers to Sultans, the doctors, the bankers, the traders, teachers, and scientists. If you think the Jews are affected by the social ills you mentioned, how come they are the leaders of the world and the most powerful ethnic group? Brother, drug addicts and those brought up in broken homes don't achieve the material and intellectual success the Jews have achieved and continue to achieve. What DO jewish people have to do with the evils I mentioned? We're talking about 'progress' man, we talkin' bout 'progress,' na na na not the jews, we talkin' bout 'progress.' Material progress that is, not moral--the kind of which the Muslim measures himself.

Tallaabo;986304 wrote: ^ The argument was not raised by me but is a question on the lips of many westerners like Richard Dawkins, hence the title of this thread. And why do you and many other solers attack the individual instead of addressing the issue under discussion? Also where are the inconsistencies in my argument? I am not praising the Jews but I do respect them for their smartness, affluence, and power. Who would not admire such qualities? I am sure if your clan achieved a fraction of the Jews achieved you would be rubbing in on our faces everyday, soo maaha:p? Tallabo. You're right. The tone did get a little aggressive/mocking. Apologies. The atheist's intention was to plant that seed of inferiority within you. To make you judge the Ummah by his standards. He gave you the stats that favored his side. Fortunately for you and many future visitors, Khayr and Dr. K were here to reveal his petty trick.

Apophis;986379 wrote: They do, It's 'woriya" (i,e warya). From my everyday experience, both 'woriya' and 'adoon' are not seen as offensive words by their intended recipients. Such political correctness is a western disease and I'm glad to say it does not exist here in East Africa. **omba, you may have missed the point. The power of words cannot be limited. They create our perception and signal the biases of our brain. Certainly, thoughts become words then actions, then habits before they ultimately become our character. Referring to someone else with derogatory names will reinforce a sense of superiority in one, enough to justify one's unjust actions toward another. We, as Somalis, have a particular tendency to belittle others through name calling. We refer to people by their deformity or the features we find most unappealing. Gacamey, illey, jareer. Somali usage of the word 'adoon' is very interesting. If we are referring to fellow Africans & (blacks generally) as "the enslaved," how have we managed to exempt themselves from this experience? Perhaps, it is our inferiority--fermented by being the lowest of the global low that we have resorted to insulting others. If we continually refer to Kenyan as 'adoon,' in due time, will we then assume the role of 'master?' Do you see what is wrong? Al-Qur'an: 49:11 O you who have believed, let not a people ridicule [another] people; perhaps they may be better than them; nor let women ridicule [other] women; perhaps they may be better than them. And do not insult one another and do not call each other by [offensive] nicknames. Wretched is the name of disobedience after [one's] faith. And whoever does not repent - then it is those who are the wrongdoers.

I'm sure the "adoons" had a similarly derogatory word for us while they killed, maimed and defiled. Every time they said it, they felt justified and righteous in their evil actions.

Malistar, Shirdoon won't make history. But Casha Cilmi will.

Oh, how petty the Sland, PLand, JLand and [insert]-Land debates seem in light of the Somali reality. We are being abused from Kenya to Nepal, from Pretoria to Addis. Get it together people. Stop the divisiveness. Didn't hooyo ever tell you that "far kali fool ma dhaqdo."

Che -Guevara;986237 wrote: Not available in my country http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACBT0fOIFvk

Jacpher;986051 wrote: ^Waa qolomaa? Divorcees understand the game. In qurbaha, they don't expect movie and dinner on Fridays. They work hard to keep a marriage alive as they don't wanna be two time failures. Also, there will be little objection to wife # 2 after a couple of years. Bright side people! More importantly, we need to stop this ignorance and take care of our divorced sisters. The more single mothers in a society, the weaker it is.

Tallaabo;980990 wrote: You are missing the whole point of the thread;) The Nobel prize in the science, medicine, and economics, literature, and peace is the most prestigious award given in these fields and represents a recognition and appreciation of those men and women who have contributed most to the advancement of human knowledge and wellbeing. There are frequent controversies surrounding the choice of the Nobel committees awarding the peace and literature prizes but the awards in the other four fields are usually universally accepted. So the unfortunate fact that Muslims are not winning these prizes mean that we are not contributing anything to the advancement of human knowledge or the improvement of the humanity's standard of life. It means we are worthless and that without the Jewish scientists, engineers, doctors, economists, mathematicians, and scholars who win a lion's share of these prizes, we Muslims would be living like the folks who lived in the stone age. Without the Jewish scholars there would be no penicillin, no polio vaccine, no mobile phone, no banking, no Hollywood movies and sitcoms, and no Facebook . LOL. You had me at Hollywood. Brother, as Khayr noted, those are not benchmarks of progress to many people. Only to those who ascribe to a certain Baconite definition of progress. Sure, the material progress of the modern world makes life easier. Yet, look around. Observe the degradation of life itself. Loss of values, destruction of the family unit, rampant drug use, massacres, suicides, greedy business practices, oppression, etc etc. Some people do not call that progress. They identify material progress for what it is, a distraction from and a placation for the assault on traditional values. Also, understand the flow of history, intellectual and scientific advancements never stop. They just transfer from one people to another over the course of millenia. In essence, there is no new discovery, only improvements. Don't fall victim to the Western man's history lessons. History didn't start with the enlightenment and it will not end with Facebook. Those 'dark ages' are so called because it was the dark-er man who was making progress

Safferz;986135 wrote: Two douchebags who deserve each other. But at least Niall writes his own books Raamsade, are you Hobbesian_Brute? Brute or not, he should have someone write a book for him.

Fresh2Death;986133 wrote: He is senior to u sxb, where I come from u lose ur seniority the minute u start disrespecting and insulting other clans by name-calling, etc. Waryaa Oodweyne, what you mean by 'certified beggers', have some respect will ya. I think the more important issue is. . .how many terms is Oodweyne trying to "coin."

guleed_ali;986132 wrote: That's all I need to know! May Allah guide you.... because at this point this is the only duaa' I can make for you as a non-believer! Fellow sol'ers take note Raam is the person you don't want to be! I contemplated responding to each of Raam's points, but it seemed futile. Btw upon the previous discussion those that will never accept you until you join their ranks, I found this quote about Ayaan Hirsi by her husband Niall Ferguson on Wikipedia: "Ferguson dedicated his book Civilization to "Ayaan". In an interview with The Guardian, Ferguson spoke about his love for Ali, who, he writes in the preface, "understands better than anyone I know what Western civilisation really means – and what it still has to offer the world".[17] Ali, he continued, ...grew up in the Muslim world, was born in Somalia, spent time in Saudi Arabia, was a fundamentalist as a teenager. Her journey from the world of her childhood and family to where she is today is an odyssey that's extremely hard for you or I [sic] to imagine. To see and hear how she understands western philosophy, how she understands the great thinkers of the Enlightenment, of the 19th-century liberal era, is a great privilege, because she sees it with a clarity and freshness of perspective that's really hard for us to match. So much of liberalism in its classical sense is taken for granted in the west today and even disrespected. We take freedom for granted, and because of this we don't understand how incredibly vulnerable it is.[17]" I laughed because it was the only reaction that a concoction of overwhelming sadness, pity, fear and amusement could produce.

Wadani;986122 wrote: What's with the deliberate misspelling of Oodweyne's name? And what does 'P/S' stand for? The misspelling was accidental. Just acknowledging Oodweyne's "writing style." I find it Ood. Bari & Waqooyi.

SubxaanaAllah. May Allah Guide us all.