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My dear xiinfiniin - now that a cup of well-brewed cappuccino taxed on the psyche having been on the receiving end of a lengthy transatlantic commissioning, allow me to charge in as a well-bred stallion in flipping the following verses from your previous provocative prod as I attend to the queries: “But let me first call Samurai Warrior back and ask him if the challenges the land of Punt face overshadow the success it had? In trying to be as succinct and factual as one could possibly be in examining the questions, one must break them into more manageable portions. Firstly, no, for I say so, ‘cos Puntland in my opinion has not had much success to speak of if one were to consider what it could have been and could have achieved as apposed to its current state and status, thusly no success to speak of in that respect. However, if one is to lower the yardstick, then success of sort it had enjoyed albeit has not peaked, thusly has a future to look forward to with the condition of its leadership realising it as such. I doubt not its leadership to be oblivious to the said, however, as a betting man I shall hold my chips close-by unless the other hand had revealed itself. Further, having seen the state in other parts of Somalia incl. the neighbouring Somaliland, and this accounts for the actualities rather than dreamy, Di Vinci-like pradisimo depictions by the ever so flaunting Somalis, I doubt Puntland has much to worry. Secondly, should one pin much hope on the general situation in Somalia where one fancies the TFG as an on-going entity that shall come of age as luck would have it, one could envisage Puntland along with other administrations might commit themselves to forward march. One sees no reason to not. Thirdly, and this is yet to be explored as plenty hinges upon Puntland’s current leadership and how it grasps the spring daffodils, one is almost certain Puntland is in its infant cycle, thusly have scores of years to mess up and mend before one could rush in to judge. And finally, judging from recent conversations I have had with top dogs within the Puntland administration I could divulge, at least for now that change is on the horizon and good days are ahead. Having laid that to rest, let us come to the more juicy part of the query. “…Can a state that operates on raw and an un-ratified constitution, have no population census, selects its members of parliament through broken and primitive tribal system, and is yet to reap the fruits of political parties show its chest and boast about political success?†If I were of the same school of thought – the school of “tribal system is so crude and never works†– I would entertain your assertion; however as much as I wish not to burst your bubble, I do not subscribe to that school of thought. I am of the opinion, and this is supported by empirical studies in developing parts of the world that traditional, non-European methods of governance once deemed backward and non-worthy rudimentary modus operandi are proving remarkably undervalued – unless of course one is of Eurocentric inclining. As critical as population census, political parties, ratifications of transitional constitution and the like are to the execution and implementation of good governance and administrative formulae, one must not put the cart in front of the horse, hence make provisions for due course and diligence take effect. I shall leave it there for the time being, and wish to explore the subject matter with you should you exhibit any sign of interest. Has Puntland met its political milestones or has it fallen short to meet the first signpost?†For this portion of the query, I shall refer you to the answer for the first question. Catch you later,
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No a bad trait to think deep and through things, would not you agree? No, mi lad…some of us, unlike most, have tight schedules that do not permit one to toss, as it were.
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Xiinfanin- good of you for the provocative questions. I shall come back to them in good time. btw- is the name xiin finiin ((the stallion that pitched the late Mad Mullah against Islam Farah)) or does it have a different meaning?
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One observes the imbalance ‘ween the two sides. On the Puntland side, it is a civilian matter even with Col Cadays of the Dervishes dressed in civilian clothing whereas on the Somaliland corner the mood is of hostile nature and of tense facade. Wonder what that says about the two sides. Another observation is of the stark difference in appearance of the detainees. One the Puntland side, the detainees (from Somaliland) seem well fed, well dressed and well treated in custody whilst on the Somaliland side the case of the reverse. Again, one wonders? Suldaanka – that statement epitomises the futility of the whole Somali saga. You do not seem to appreciate the depth of the statement, thusly go for the obvious. Rather predictable, would not you say?.
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Tani Galbataye, Tu Kale: Maxaa la Gudboon Cadde Afqudhac? (Puntland)
miles-militis replied to NASSIR's topic in Politics
This is most damaging, yet most constructive and telling – I would not want to be a minister today of all days. What is most notable is that the President himself not only admits to the criticism, but welcomes and appears to be highly motivated by it. let us hope Somalia's leaders pay heed. President Cadde interviewed -
Libaax - good to be back my old mate. Was wondering what has become of the ardaa and its old timers.
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camel_milk – to the contrary my old chap the road is very clear albeit ridden with gravel, the politics is crystal yet privy only to a few, and the leadership which mind you is of a different genre than the previous, is revving up the engine yet to shift to fifth-gear. Further, I disagree with the notion that Puntland is placing its eggs in one basket for playing that hand would only be offered by one who is out of the loop as it were, phising for crumbs, or not privy to its current politics. One must look to the State’s current leadership to grasp its current state and how it differs from its predecessors. One ought to note current leadership comprises of men of the Diaspora, more technocrats cum administrators than not. Men whose ambition goes no further than Puntland at this juncture, and in other words, the best thing that ever happened to Puntland if one was to be forthright. Befuddlement settles in thusly, particularly where the same yardstick is being applied to measure men of the book with men of the sword, as it were. A reflection of historical events elsewhere and of political markings herein offer some insight into the current goings for common sense alone does not quite do the trick as it fails its companion more so than not. I was hoping to delay sinking my teeth into the subject matter until the hasty lads of the bazookas arrived with something worthy of mincing, or disappointing as expected to spoil one’s appetite. Catch you later,
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Yonis - my dear lad, do not mean to pick on you, but what if I were to say Puntland is far from being stable, perfect and could hardly stand on own legs. Would you not agree old boy, unless of course you have been drinking form the same “moqor†as our neighbours up north who are so drunk of their fictitious empire, and so ungrateful to the support availed to them by the international community that “we did alone†false syndrome has taken hold in your psyche. Resource-starved regions of Somalia with neither human nor social capital to speak of could hardly sustain much of anything, and with that coupled with sleaze, fraud and funds misappropriation awash from coast to coast, it is hardly surprising any are in an ongoing state. Besides, if one is being genuine in one’s deduction, why would one bother indulging the chaps whose only offerings are “we have more guns than yours†– and since when did that ever get anyone anywhere! If Puntland is heading towards the right direction, which I trust it is with the rest of Somalia, then why heed the nagging filth of the nay-sayers. It appears many are being confused by the day-to-day political goings in the old country that reality has alluded them to the extent of believing self-invented fallacies and ill-conceived fictitious spheres of influence at par with that which is being suffered by subjects of fallen empires. Any state that could hardly feed its own people let alone provide for its basic functions, of which annual budget is smaller than that of a single poorly run NGO could hardly claim much of anything - and mind you that applies to the whole of Somalia. The trouble with the political sphere these days is that even the least informed persons seem irked to want to speak to the subject matter for the sake of it rather than contributing to the debate. Infantile squabbling of lower sort has become the norm herein in so far as no credible person wants to set a foot lest be seen at the scene at par with bitter experiences at occasions where one happens to incidentally call upon one of those unfortunate coffee houses frequented by political bandits who, mind you know next to nothing about much, most of all the discipline of politics. For all intents and purposes, one could make a claim provided one could support it, present an argument given one is ready to have one’s argument shredded to pieces with logic and sound rationale, raise an issue with genuine perspective whilst perhaps formulating what at the beginning appear cogent hypothesis, again provided acceptable one finds, one’s take of things might not quite meet the mustard where others are concerned. None of these, unfortunately are traits visible herein. As if there was not enough dribble attributable to being Somali, speaking ill of others has become the norm. Goody, one might say, and waddle off to the wilderness in a bit of a limp or bruised conscious as many had done. In a nutshell, if one has something to contribute to the debate, kindly oblige the rest. If no, spare yourselves the embarrassment and zip thy gob for all our sakes. If Johnny boy wishes to debate the subject matter, which I doubt he does for such sweeping remarks would not have been made by one in the know, I shall honour the chap in more way than not. If however he wishes to bore us with clique chit-chat, a visit to the coffee house might be in order. Cheers,
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To the contrary my old boy, despite the below the belt jibes and ill-intentions towards Puntland from its opponents, the State is doing far better than perceived mostly by outsiders including yours truly along with others of similar rationale. It could be said that it is enjoying a season of inward-observation and internal development, political or otherwise deemed crucial for the reconstruction of the State. Challenges, indeed there are, but those are not that which its leadership could not tackle. However, for one to engage and share more, one must know how much hard facts old Johnny boy has to arrive the said conclusion. Is it hot air, or is he loaded with half truths that came by way of xuuraan? Either way, let us have you bring your wares to the fore for validify of your hypothesis is abound as convinced I am it shall be disproved provided the usual tic-a-tac does not spoil the discourse. And one more thing, be reminded and be warned it is Puntland you wish to speak of, and not Somalia’s TFG. It is Cadde who is in charge, and not Yusuf. And at that it's all yours now! Tata,
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..........SHOULD PUNTLAND DECLARE INDEPENDENCY?.......
miles-militis replied to Scientist's topic in Politics
Absolutely NOT. And the reason - could not have said it better than the honourable Mr obvious "Ngonge" "when it comes to actual politics and choosing the safest strategy, Puntland comes out on top. They’re part of the Federal government yet are also very autonomous. They’ve chosen the halfway house of hedging their bets, and one has to admit that this is the safest possible option. If (I can hear Tolstoy & co already replacing that word with WHEN) Somaliland gets recognition, Puntland can dive in quickly and demand the same treatment. If on the other hand the problems of Somalia proper are solved, Puntland can also jump in and make the most of the early day funds that will pour into a peaceful and functioning federal government. This is not because the president is from that region (though that surely is a bonus) it will have more to do with the relatively advanced and organised condition of Puntland as opposed to the disorganisation of the southern regions. At any rate, it’s a win/win situation. I have no idea why any sane Puntlander would even dream of asking for independence now!" Cheers -
And thru the dot, one zooms onto, and up on the crude metamorphous of the galaxies thereby engrossing in a spellbound a great deal - call it soft red on hard green, but yellow with mellowy purple, it ain’t old boy! Gediid - was your friend dexterous enough to dig and perhaps devour the fillings of the speech, or is he still boring the neighbours, or anyone who cares to lend an ear at own peril, with the same high-school level puns? A teen approach to a man’s game is cool, would not you say? How unfortunate of you, mi lad? Read, both of you I trust of the speech, so now why not be good sports and tell us what were some of the highlights of the speech? Oh bugger, I forgot…understanding the meaning of it was never the intent, was it? Begin unfolding the core of the speech, if you dare?
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If ever there was one with a tad bit of intellectual prowess in reaching deep down where many in that ill-foresaken status had failed, Ismail surely had scored the hattrick in his reflections and observations. I particularly wish to challenge the ersatz nationalists in the forum who regard Dr Ghalaydh, former Premier Abdirazak H Hussein & Co saviours and great heroes of the hour to dig deeper in their cognitive particles and search the thinking muscle for cerebral perspective. Skip should you wish the historical reflections and anecdotes and devour the section that attempts to address the "Challenges..." _______________ By Ismail Ali Ismail July 06, 2005 Background: Prior to the colonial era the history of the Horn of Africa was, for the most part, a struggle between Islam and Christianity with their adherents trying from time to time to overrun and vanquish each other. With the advent of European colonialism religion continued to play a large part in geopolitical calculations. I remember listening to an interview the BBC Somali Service had with a Somali who was a contemporary of Sylvia Pankhurst and knew her. He said in the interview that, astonished by the ferocity of her campaign to have Somalia ceded to Ethiopia he asked her why she was so ardently supporting Ethiopians against Somalis who were both, being Africans, equally foreign to her. Her answer surprised him because she told him that as a Christian it was incumbent upon her to support her coreligionists against Moslems. As with individuals so it was – then as now – with countries, and the foreign policies of the great powers have never been free, to this date, from religious considerations, (despite what they have been saying) as a result of which Ethiopia was aggrandized at the expense of Somalia. Dame Margery Perham (then Oxford's foremost authority on colonial administration) says in her book “ The Colonial Reckoning †that the long frontier between Ethiopia and Somalia was “envenomed†and she cited this as one of the main reasons besides extreme poverty and ‘backwardness' why Somalia would not be able to make much progress – indeed any progress – in its struggle to achieve economic advance. But she stopped short of stating the plain fact that it was her own country, Britain, capitalizing on Ethiopia's insatiable hunger for territory and encouraged by our as-yet-unawakened national consciousness, that injected the venom into those frontier disputes – a venom which has since been running deep in the veins of both Somalis and Ethiopians but which seems now to be wearing off, thanks to certain cataclysmic events in both Ethiopia and Somalia. The two nations have had, before they arrived at their current cul de sac, their share of follies and foibles leading to serious miscalculations and disappointments in their ceaseless efforts to outmaneuver and outsmart each other. It is these costly miscalculations that I call ‘the missed historical opportunities' and I shall now address myself to them. Ethiopian Miscalculations After the thoughtless transfer of the Haud and Reserved Area to Ethiopia the British Government realized its grievous mistake and earnestly worked, ex post facto , towards the retrocession of the Area. Emperor Haile Sellasie was offered a large monitory compensation in lieu of returning the Area to British hands but the Emperor declined. The British then tried to kill two birds with one stone by satisfying in one stroke both the need of nomadic Somalis for the Haud and Reserved Area for the grazing of their livestock and Ethiopia 's desire to have an outlet to the Gulf of Aden , the Eritrean ports being difficult. Accordingly, the Emperor was offered the whole area of Zeila in exchange of the Haud and Reserved Area. The Emperor also rejected that offer and that, in my view, proved to be a serious miscalculation on his part, for if he had accepted the offer Djibouti would have become an enclave within Ethiopia which could have laid then a much stronger claim to it upon decolonization. At that time, of course, Ethiopia was not landlocked, Eritrea being an integral part of it, and Djibouti was in the hands of the French who were not only friendly to the Emperor but were also well aware of the obvious symbiosis between the two countries – Djibouti and Ethiopia. The Emperor did not – perhaps could not – foresee or envision then the separation of Eritrea , the independence of Djibouti (both of which happened after his demise) and our virile nationalism. But, it was a blessing for us Somalis that the Emperor was blind to the opportunity which would not only have assured him of Djibouti but would also have brought the Ethiopian navy to our shores as Djibouti would have ceased to be a littoral buffer between us and the Ethiopians. Ethiopia 's second miscalculation also concerns Djibouti . In 1958 France , under the leardership of Gen. De Gaulle, decided to hold referenda in all its African possessions with a choice between staying with France and opting for independence. In Djibouti , the late Mahmoud Harbi and his party were fighting for independence while Hassan Gulaid and his party were campaigning against it. Our hearts, though not yet independent ourselves, were with Mahmoud Harbi and his freedom fighters, and we denounced Hassan Gulaid and his friends as imperialist lackeys. Ethiopia was working against the independence of Djibouti , which was then called French Somaliland, because it feared that it might give fresh impetus to our young nationalism in British Somaliland which had been spurred by the effective transfer of the Haud and Reserved Area only three years before; Somalia was also scheduled for independence only two years from then. This fear blinded the Emperor to the very real possibility of creating a situation in Djibouti which would have allowed Ethiopia to march into it upon the departure of the French on the pretext that it was protecting its own citizens and interests in Djibouti or that it was part of Ethiopia before French colonialism. In those days gunboat diplomacy was still very much alive and the French, once their presence was rejected would not have lifted a finger in defense of Djibouti . And, of course, there was no Somalia to deter Ethiopian aggression. Luckily, the French rigged the referendum in their favour and thereby unwittingly forestalled ‘Ethiopian intervention'. It would surely have been in the interest of Ethiopia if Djibouti became independent in 1958 – an independence against which Ethiopia fought hard. In the event, Hassan Gulaid was vindicated and he changed his position at the right time in the 1967 referendum in favor of independence. The Emperor, determined as ever to thwart our irredentism, was clearly in collusion with the French who again rigged the plebiscite in their favor and changed the name of the country to the French Territory of the Afars and the Issas much to the delight of His Imperial Majesty. I vividly remember that dangerous moment when, having maintained a heavy military contingent at Abdul Qadir (which is situated in close physical proximity to Djibouti ) we were ready to capture Djibouti itself if the French, upon abrupt departure, beckoned Ethiopia to move in. Somali Blunders We Somalis have also made quite a few historical blunders of our own. I am told by elderly and credible eye witnesses of history that on the eve of the transfer of the ****** and part of the Reserved Area to Ethiopia in1948 the British local administrators in Jigjiga apprised some of the Somali elders of the impending transfer and sought to incite them to violent demonstrations so that the administrators would advise the British government against the transfer in view of the unstoppable violent reactions of the indigenous people. The administrators had advised against it and wanted their position to be vindicated and to prove thereby that the impression created by the Foreign Office in London that the local people would be indifferent, if not favorably disposed, to the transfer was false. However, much to the disappointment of the local administrators there was no reaction from the Somali side apart from feeble and half-hearted protestations of few SYL members. In the event, the transfer went ahead because there was no locally organized popular and politically sustainable force to be reckoned with. The British tried to justify their perfidy by citing an Anglo-Ethiopian Agreement which had been concluded and signed in 1897 and to which we were not a party. Most agreements are, however, subject to rebus sic stantibus and the British could have – perhaps would have – allowed that agreement to fall into desuetude and become a dead letter had we ourselves been sufficiently educated and vigilant We would have foreseen and blocked all the Anglo-Ethiopian conspiracies by which our lands were surreptitiously transferred. Under the treaties of protection our forefathers signed with Britain we were supposed to be protected, not sold to the Ethiopians or any other power for that matter. And to add insult to injury the delegation we sent in 1955 to the British government and the UN to reverse the transfer of the Haud and Reserved Area by invoking those treaties was told that such treaties had no validity in International Law because we were not sovereign. Yet, it was those same treaties that gave international recognition to Britain 's suzerainty over our land. Had the earlier transfer of the ‘****** and Part of the Reserved Area' been effectively pre-empted through vigorous and sustained popular action in 1948 we would have avoided that annus horribilis and its repetition in 1954/55 when the British transferred the Haud and the rest of the ‘Reserved Area' in utter disregard of our sensibilities. Apparently, the British were so, if wrongly, sure of our indifference to this latter transfer as well. However, there is a silver lining in every dark cloud, and those unfortunate events were not without their compensation as our inflamed passions unleashed an accelerated a virile nationalist movement for British Somaliland 's independence and consequent union with Somalia . Surprisingly, we had been presented with a golden opportunity in 1948 which we also squandered ourselves. That was the time when the entire Somali areas, with the exception of Djibouti , were in the hands of the British Military Administration. Bevin's plan for a Greater Somalia, although torpedoed by a Soviet veto in the Security Council, could have been resuscitated and the key for its implementation lay in the hands of the SYL leaders in Mogadishu . After the Second World War the victorious powers considered the fate of the former Italian possessions and decided to put Somalia under a U.N. trusteeship for ten years (1950 to 1960) in preparation for independence. Interestingly, only two countries voted for Somalia 's immediate independence at the time: Haiti (whose UN ambassador voted for Somalia in defiance of his country's instructions and was consequently dismissed from his post) and the newly established state of Israel . But we also received invaluable support from Sir Muhammad Zafarullah Khan an eloquent and highly respected Pakistani jurist who was his country's representative to the United Nations and later became a judge at the International Court of Justice in The Hague . Both of these distinguished ambassadors were of course invited to our independence celebrations in 1960 and awarded the highest Medal of Honor our country could give. The few Arab States that existed at the time threw all their weight behind Libya whose independence was immediately secured as a result. Having decided to prepare Somalia for independence for ten years the Security Council considered which country was best suited to undertake that responsibility under the UN Trusteeship and the “Four-Power Commission†was sent over to Mugadishu in January, 1948 in order to sound out the Somalis themselves as to their preference. Our SYL leaders were great nationalists, honest and forthright; after all it is they who secured our independence and we have to be grateful to them. But their serious shortcomings which were lack of education and knowledge of the mechanics and the dynamics of international politics led them to an unfortunate choice which, if accepted, would have spelt out disaster for Somalia . They asked all the four powers (the US , UK , USSR and France ) to administer Somalia ; fortunately, that was thought impractical; otherwise, Somalia would have been divided into four sectors like Berlin (the American Sector, the British Sector, the French Sector and the Soviet Sector). It is said that the British had expected the SYL leaders to choose the UK as the administering power so that all the Somali territories would be united under their rule; they were even contemplating to enter into negotiations with France for the exchange of French Somaliland with one of their island possessions. The SYL had been established and was flourishing under British rule in Somalia and the British had every right for all the cogent reasons to expect its leaders to choose Britain as the administering power. But the leaders were so shortsighted and inept that they feared that Britain, being a world power, would use every subterfuge and stratagem to overstay well beyond its mandate or even deny the country its independence; they were so obsessed with the single goal of independence that they were blind to all the benefits accruing from British rule: the unification of Somali territories; development of a unified administration, a unified educational system; a common colonial heritage; a common outlook; and of course the integration of the economy. These are all problem areas which proved to be debilitating and even pernicious to the Somali state. The leaders thought that Italy would by contrast be a better choice because, being vanquished and weak, they would be able to wrest independence from it if it tried to create obstacles. But the Italians also lobbied hard to return to Somalia , albeit in a different capacity, and managed to gain the sympathy of the United States particularly since they were in dire straits after the war and had shown their contrition by the public hanging of their fascist leader, Il Duce Mussolini. Italy had therefore its own selfish aim in returning to Somalia , but our leaders were vigilant and constantly fighting with it as it tried to do lip service to its trusteeship mandate and even prolong it in order to further its colonial interests. Our nationalism was virile and fervent but our ignorance was so abysmally dismal that when the Italians used tear gas on one occasion to disburse stone-throwing demonstrators in Mogadishu one of the SYL men ran to the party headquarters and reported that the Italians “threw an atomic bomb on the crowdâ€. Evidently, however, the choice of Italy was manifestly a bad one from the very start. That country had been destroyed by the war and its economy was in shambles to put it mildly; it woefully lacked political stability as successive governments tumbled down in quick succession; it was also bereft of a stable, strong and merit-based bureaucracy which was described even in the sixties as underpaid, corrupt, undisciplined and inefficient; and the Mafia played a prominent role in the country's affairs which made Italian political culture full of intrigue and scheming. We have undoubtedly made a grievous historical error in favoring Italy as the power that would teach us governance and prepare us for independence. In so doing we violated our own Somali wisdom which says: “ ninkaad kabo ka tolaneysid kabihiisaa la eegaa â€. It was to that Italian culture and that Italian fractured polity, aggravated by our divisions along clan lines instead of party lines, that we fell prey as soon as we tasted self-rule in 1956. That self-rule under those inauspicious circumstances weakened our nationalism and pushed clan divisions to the fore. I am strongly convinced that endemic southern instability owes its origin to the Italian manipulations and machinations of those days. Armed Conflict as an Agent of Change Benjamin Franklin was substantially right when he said, “There was never a good war or a bad peaceâ€. But wars bring about changes and often fundamental changes. War is no doubt an agent of change since people – and governments - have to cope with its aftermath. Tragedies can be molded into positive change. That was what prompted that shrewd observer, Winston Churchill, in comparing a pessimist and an optimist, to say: “An optimist sees an opportunity in every calamity; a pessimist sees a calamity in every opportunityâ€. We and our Ethiopian neighbors have been at each other's throat for a long time our bone of contention being that large territory which is shown on the map of Ethiopia but is so Somali and so un-Ethiopian in all other respects. We both engaged ceaselessly through the years in a war of words and our propaganda machines were geared to outdo each other. But we fought two real wars in 1964 and in 1977/78. The World, having shrunk into the village it has become, became well aware, unlike the past, of our territorial dispute with Ethiopia . In 1982 I participated in a UN experts meeting in Spain and I found myself sitting at dinner next to Dean Donald Stone, a renowned, revered and recognized authority in Planning and Development Administration. He looked so old that he must have been an octogenarian. In the middle of the conversation he asked me what we and the Ethiopians were fighting about. I told him we were fighting about a territory of whose reality we had two different perceptions: the Ethiopians derived their reality from the map which showed that the territory was Ethiopian while we derived our reality from the facts on the ground which showed that the territory was Somali for all intents and purposes. Dean Stone seemed satisfied as he nodded and did not utter a word, and the conversation drifted to other topics. There are those who contend that the 1977/78 war was disastrous for Somalia . I agree that Siad Barre's government fell short of attaining its objective at monumental costs. Some would say it was simply a costly misadventure which led to Somalia 's own destruction. I beg to differ. Whilst we were succeeding at the battle front we were failing dismally at the diplomatic front, and the forces which were arrayed against us and drove us out of the territory we liberated were but the manifestation of a tragic diplomatic failure. Our policymakers were soldiers who thought that in war only military hardware and military thinking mattered. But, surprisingly, that war brought Ethiopians and Somalis closer to each other. It was a sobering experience for both of them; the Ethiopians had dangerously underestimated us and had been dismissive of us as it never entered their minds that ‘a handful of Somalis' (as their press put it) could capture an inch of territory: that arrogance and their delusion of grandeur were shattered even before we were pounding at the gates of Harar and Dire Dawa, and they knew in their heart of hearts that they were saved by the Soviets. Moreover, the war plunged Ethiopia deep into debt to the Soviet Union and many Ethiopians were deeply resentful that their country which had been free for thousands of years and had never been colonized – a fact of which they had been ostentatiously proud – was reduced to a mere client state of the Soviet Union because of the war with Somalia. The Soviets, their ideology and the regimentation of life that was inherent in their totalitarian system were so hated that when the statue of Lenin was brought down in 1991 by the EPRDF there were jubilant celebrations throughout Addis Ababa . I am told that when both Ethiopia and Somalia attended a year or two after the war the OAU ministerial conference in Freetown (Sierra Leone), which normally preceded the summit, some members of the Ethiopian delegation said to their Somali counterparts: “we can forget the war, but we will never forgive you for the ignominy of pushing us under Soviet dominationâ€. I would never have thought at the time that the two delegations would even speak to each other. But, for us too the expulsion of the Soviets from our country was a welcome byproduct of the war. However, the government of Mengistu Haile- Mariam was keenly and painfully aware of the heavy toll the hostilities with Somalia was exacting a heavy toll on the Ethiopian economy: first, keeping a huge army proved to be too heavy a burden; secondly, it discouraged investment in the disputed area which was known to have gas deposits and also suspected to have petroleum deposits as well; thirdly, Somali ports would be needed to export those vital resources; fourthly, Ethiopian Moslems (including those in Addis Ababa itself) were feared to be susceptible to the propaganda and influence of their coreligionists to the east of the border who could use them to blow up or at least sabotage economic installations; and finally, Somalia was attempting to bring about the disintegration of Ethiopia by training, arming and encouraging fissiparous tendencies in certain nationalities in Ethiopia and was at the same time extending full support to the Eritreans on a sustainable basis. For all these reasons the Ethiopians were favorably disposed towards rapprochement with the Siad Barre regime. The latter had itself been shaken by an attempted coup and feared being destabilized by Ethiopia when both the SSDF and SNM started to operate from Addis Ababa . The two countries consequently exchanged high-level visits just few years after the war in order to improve relations as a first step towards economic cooperation. That was the first light signaling a departure from destructive engagement and towards a common strategy for the well-being and economic survival of the two peoples. The two leaders (Mengistu and Siad Barre) pledged to freeze their support to the armed fronts operating from each other's country. It seems, in retrospect, however, that mutual suspicion prevented both leaders to redeem their pledges. It is argued at times that the Ethiopians were amenable to a concession of sorts (not necessarily territorial) before the SSDF and SNM established themselves in Addis Ababa – a move which emboldened the Ethiopian side and weakened ours. However, regime change was in store for both countries. The year 1991 brought fundamental changes to both Somalia and Ethiopia starting with the violent change of the regimes. The implosion in our country took place in January of that year and Addis Ababa fell, with the flight of Mengistu, to the EPRDF followed only five months later. Although with the fall of the Siad Barre regime our State vanished immediately the policy towards Ethiopia undoubtedly paid off to a great extent, for we soon had friends at the helm of Ethiopia and Eritrea . As a matter of fact both Meles Zenawi and Isias Afeworke have openly acknowledged, with much gratitude, the unfailing assistance they had been receiving from our side. And I was pleasantly surprised to come in contact with Somali-speaking senior officials of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Asmara when I participated in an international symposium for the writing of the Eritrean Constitution in 1995. President Isias held a reception for the participants who were truly international and real experts in their own respective areas. But I was elated when the Somali-speaking Eritrean officials brought the President himself to me where I was standing to introduce me to him – incredible but true. The President and I had a half-hour conversation and I was impressed both with his excellent Arabic and equally excellent English as our conversation alternated between those two languages. The President was full of praise for Somalia and the Somali people; he told me how deeply grateful he and the Eritrean people were for all that sincere support they had received and was solicitous about our sad situation and the stability of our country. I went to Asmara again in the following year to train some of their senior officials and on both occasions I was struck by the genuine love and affection the Eritrean people had for the Somali people. It was seemed to me that every man jack of them was truly sad, like the President, about what was happening to us. I have never met Prime Minister Meles but all those who met him are convinced that he feels he owes a debt of gratitude. Were it not for the implosion and consequent destruction of our State (which still remains moribund) we would have played a major role in the Horn of Africa mediating between Ethiopia and Eritrea, between Eritrea and Yemen, and between Eritrea and Djibouti and playing an important role in both the OAU and IGAD whose problem child we have so lamentably become. I also believe that the circumstances would have been most propitious for our own internal reconciliation, if only our State outlived Mengistu by a few months. The Somali Regional State in Ethiopia would have been stable, well-organized and ready for a referendum as to whether they wanted to secede or remain in Ethiopia . I know that the current policymakers in Ethiopia feel that the stability of that region was contingent upon Somalia itself being stable. While Prof. Sa'id Samatar and I were participating in the International Symposium for Writing of the Eritrean Constitution in 1995 in Asmara the Speaker of the National Assembly of Ethiopia, Ato Dawit Yohannes, asked to meet us privately and we were joined by Dr. Elmi Du'aleh who was then WHO Representative in Asmara but is now our Ambassador-Designate to the UN. The Speaker told us (and I am sure both Sa'id and Elmi will bear me out) that they (the Ethiopian Government) were facing very difficult and intractable problems with the Somali region which was being destabilized by the situation in Somalia because, as he put it, “the people on both sides of the border were the same†(we were glad to hear him acknowledge that simple fact). He said that, in their view therefore, the best way to stabilize the Somali Regional State in Ethiopia was by stabilizing Somalia itself and he asked us how educated Somalis could help in stabilizing their country. Sadly, we had no impromptu solutions ourselves but we did discuss the situation. The Challenges Changes have actually been occurring in Ethiopia ever since the demise of Haile Sellassie some thirty years ago. The Emperor used to tell the world that Ethiopia was a Christian country and used to stipulate in furtherance of that claim that mosques should not have minarets and should otherwise remain indistinguishable from normal buildings. The Ethiopian Orthodox Church was all-powerful and ruled the country with the Emperor as there was no separation between the Church and the State. All that changed when Mengistu came to power and the church lost its prominent place in the affairs of the State. And for the first time in Ethiopia the government acknowledged that the country was half Christian and half Moslem; and for the first time ever in Ethiopian history the birthday of Prophet Mohammed (SAWS), and the two Moslem Eids were celebrated and the streets of Addis Ababa glittered at night on the behest of the revolutionary government with colorful lights on those occasions. The current regime added to those changes and allowed Moslems to leave the offices for Jum'a prayers and to pray in the Stadium and the squares of Addis Ababa on the special religious occasions of Eid Al Ad'ha and Eidal Fitr. To understand the challenges facing us today we have to take, first and foremost, the fundamental changes that have occurred in Ethiopia over the last thirty years. There are those who, being blind to these changes, are still locked in the past. They still argue that Ethiopia wants to divide and dominate Somalia . Such an argument is sterile, negative and unhelpful. These are the people who cannot come up with a proper argument as to how we should handle the new situations in Ethiopia and in our country. Ethiopia itself has been divided by forced change into Ethiopia and Eritrea; a federal structure has been introduced to ensure that each nationality within Ethiopia enjoys a measure of home rule and uses its vernacular as the official language; the right to secede has been enshrined in the constitution; for the first time in its history Ethiopia has publicly and formally acknowledged that there is a Somali region with Somali as its official language; and it formally acknowledged that the Somalis are the third largest ethnic group in Ethiopia – more numerous by far than the ruling Tigreans. In the days of Haile Sellassie the word “Somali†was a taboo and each Somali clan was said to be a separate nationality on its own; viz. the ****** nationality; the Issa nationality; the Gurgura nationality and so on. Such political nomenclature continued until the EPRDF came to power in 1991 These are all fundamental and irreversible changes which I have personally witnessed. On our side there have been fundamental changes too: we broke into clans and the heavy tide of clannism swept away the State we had long fought for. What happened to our State reminds me of the famous quotation from Louis XV and Madame de Pompadour: ‘ après nous le deluge' (i.e. after us, you will be swept away by the floods). Our situation also brought some far-reaching changes: a resurgence of clannism which still remains our scourge; a federal structure, separatism, and a whole different outlook and political philosophy brought about particularly by our exposure to the external world. Yet there was another fundamental change: it brought Somalis and Ethiopians closer to each other. We and our Ethiopian neighbors did not really know each other; and we had negative and demonizing views of each other for hundreds of years and our “envenomed frontier dispute†as the late Dame Margery Perham put it, made us see each other as enemies. Somalis suffered under a cruel Ethiopian rule which demonized Ethiopians in our eyes. However, when we were flung by that violent implosion of our country to the four corners of the world a huge number of us crossed the border and traveled far into Ethiopia until they reached Addis Ababa and came face to face with their erstwhile enemies to seek refuge in their country; and they were welcomed; and it was a welcome which was entirely unexpected. But a reciprocal situation has been created as Ethiopians also felt free to enter Somalia , live in it, work in it, trade in it and visit and use its ports without hindrance. The political barriers have thus been broken and the relationship between the two countries will no longer be defined by politicians alone; for what obtains now is a genuine people-to-people contact. It should be obvious in today's world and conditions that we can no longer remain prisoners to the superannuated political maxim that “neighbors are enemies; neighbors' neighbors are friendsâ€. As educated men and women we should change our habits of mind and be flexible enough to cope with changing situations. The current situations in both Ethiopia and Somalia truly pose an intellectual challenge to all of us. However, before we face the challenge of dealing with what the changes in Ethiopia mean to us we need to put our own act together. We have been repeatedly failed by the lack of education, the lack of enlightened leadership and prevalent narrow-minded clannism. Our intellectuals have been mesmerized by the war-lords in whose faces they have become helpless not minding the obvious fact that we Somalis irrespective of the clans we come from will either survive together or perish together without discrimination as to clan affiliation. Responding to this challenge will require the intellectuals to come together, form a network or networks – perhaps in the form of professional societies – change loyalties from kins to cronies and develop loyalty to one's own profession. Conclusion My conclusion from the foregoing is short and should be obvious. Today thank God, we have, unlike the past, people who are young and vigorous and educated. Everywhere in the world, past and present, it is the young people who bring about revolutionary change either with their own hands or by prodding old fogies who are at the helm to take action in the right direction. Alas our young have drunk too much from that poisoned well of clannism, but it is us the grown-ups who poisoned that well. The clan system on which our culture and tradition were based has always been there but its application had its own subtleties. The young people do not know these subtleties for they have not been brought up in their own culture and have no sense of history and no sense of culture. Some of them are so young that they cannot even remember being a sovereign nation and have been hearing only bad things about their country and their people. Inevitably, they will suffer from low self- esteem vis-à -vis other children of their age who come from well-established countries. It is always easy to pinpoint the problems and expand on them but take refuge in brevity when it comes to the solutions. We should reform our youth, educate them, and inculcate in them a sense of service to their people and their country. Once they know it is their future we are talking about they will be responsive and will oblige. In this day and age it is absolutely imperative that we should work towards a knowledge-based government. We have missed so many opportunities in the past because our leaders did not have the necessary education and so were groping in the dark for national objectives they could not reach and in the process have actually been blind to the opportunity that were within reach. Today, with all the advantages we have (education, science, technology and know-how, mobilization of financial resources, etc.) we should be condemned as absolute fools if we do not do better to live better. Ismail A. Ismail E-mail: geeldoonia@gmail.com Highlights of Ismail A. Ismail's Background Educated in Aden, United States and United Kingdom; Experience: District Commissioner in Hargeisa; Zeila and Kismayo; Deputy Governor in Togdheer (Burao) and Lower Juba (Kismayo); Senior Training Officer at SIDAM; United Nations Economic Commission for Africa: Professional Officer for 26 years (22 years in Addis Ababa covering the entire continent of Africa, and 4 years in Lusaka covering the entire sub-region of Southern Africa) until retired in 2002 as Senior Public Administration Officer.
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And that my dear lads, proves my point…none of you wish to engage in debating the issues. As usual, you just steer to what you know best …girl-talk or is it tot-talk to be more politically correct “…he said this, she said that…I, this, I, that…, I like this…I hate that… it's pink, not it ain't, it's crimson; not it ain't, it’s cherry… †bugger the lot, springs the command. So, now, go and get back to your usual mantra, as indeed you are a rare breed. And at that I rest my case …
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O’ my … did you just say “…my uncle told me …†and just when I thought a bright lad would waddle in with some bright ideas, you take the Mickey out of yourself. Next, you will be honouring us with your aunt’s telltales of historical events and government policy, eh! And those are the kinds of people who wish to not only partake in public discourse shaping public opinion, but have input in policy making! Oh, well ...
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Mobb & Co - It is good to be back, but not for too long as I am being constantly reminded that time is of the essence herein. Wind- As many disagreements as agreements, I do have with some of the tactics of A. Yusuf and his government, yet one must postpone one’s observation over a sizeable period of time to form an informed opinion with respect to his achievements with the status quo in Somalia by the periods between 1991-2004 being the time scale and the benchmark in application. His government’s policies, legacy, strategies and accomplishments in wrenching the country out of the grip of the marauding villains along with lawlessness, and how it all ends shall be some of the determinant factors. Only then, shall one’s observation be considered with value. Hasty one could not be considering the weight of the task at hand and so far as the Somali elements are concerned; rather objective one must be in both regards. One must understand the issues concerning Somalia hardly changed over the last decade despite the daily mantra of who did what and where, so my dear lad the focus ought to remain on the big dot hanging over your forehead, dare you see, and not the minute bee flying about the midzone between your brows and lashes. Dare I suggest the latter is your idée fixe, thusly ought to regurgitate as a modest history puff charming the lasses out of their panties lest your puns are labelled insipidly bland. You speak of him as if you are either his biographer or Mistress neither of which I trust you are unless of course you wish to honour us with a revelation of sort; for which we shall forever be in debt to you old boy. You make military sound so bad; did you not see the non-military…hang on though- I shall for a reason put on hold that piece of your argument along with the remaining portion of your note for perhaps another occasion. My dear lad Xoogsade - dear o dear and a big one at that - what contribution do you speak of – you reckon the perpetual filth you splash on to the screens qualifies as contribution? You could not point to it should the concept itself were to find a landing space on your brow! Judging from your response, you do not seem to have it together, do you mate? Perhaps you’d rather stayed off the radar for you are making a mockery of yourself. Do not you ever grow out of the “…you belong to his tribe rubbish…you hate that tribe crub…†Why o why do you have to explain everything away in such retarded manner in lieu of trying to dig deeper to evoke some thinking. A government, any that is, has policies, strategies and plans to do what it set out to accomplish. This one is no different in that sense – unfortunately rogue personalities and roadblocks are the hurdles it has to step over in lieu of economic, trans-governmental, geopolitical issues amongst many state worries. It is an insult to the intellect for you to dip in and out of the murky smut with the sole intent of marring anyone that comes in close proximity with that filth that has become of your contribution. Level it to the ground, not spew it outwards, dare you possess the cerebral faculty. Now my dear lad, I shall be gentle , and I shall refer you to the last piece of my earlier post should you ever desire to debate real issues, until then dig deeper and clean yer mess! “…If any wishes to engage on either issue …do challenge the intellect as indulged you shall be with pleasure.†Tata ..
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One gets bored to the core, yet cheesed off at the same time with the Mogadishu gang here on SOL and elsewhere on this freaking planet spewing “mal†from all corners at every given opportunity at the mere mentioning of getting their corner in order – and I dare say their corner including the country’s capital which has been under siege for over a decade. Observed is a new culture of feely, nicey, goody which I find rather nauseating, and I reckon some home truth is abounded. Get the bl o o dy place in order, and until then shut your gobs up (and with a big S with that) - there is as always an exception as in all things which is when one commences conceptualising, and not trying to benign the discussion with the customary sadly-excused, wrenched frame of mind, and trounced sense of reality that has become the trademark for the ring leaders of the said gang. For the rest including pseudo nationalists herein assign themselves to dance around the root nature of the problem lest being regarded unfriendly to the target group, a rather daft perception in line with that of a culled cod in midstream has formed in the minds of many whose only line of reasoning and contribution to the discourse is pointing to an illusory third party, and never once owning up to own follies closer to thy backyard. Whether one is in Mogadishu or elsewhere (elder or adolescent, well-read or damned, villain or victim, gang or executor), one never misses the bulls’ eye in wailing foul whilst pointing to a devil only seen by the said gang and their cohorts – it’s A. Yusuf this time, it was Ethiopia yesterday, it definitely shall be some fictitious third party tomorrow – but never shall the true villains in their midst be held liable for their transgression, ostracised or better yet castrated in droves. One keeps hearing of “…the president this, president that …†yet never does one hear any truly looking at the debris that is being made of the country’s capital dwarfed as a pigsty by the Mogadishu warlords and their militias only to partition it as if in Lethuas. How often does one see any speak truthfully of the bedlam and pandemonium that had been inflicted upon that part of the country? Hardly! What a lousy bundle! Allow me to simplify it - Who would want to stroll about Harlesden past 5pm? Who would want to jet into Moss Side in a broad daylight? Who dare walk about New Jersey Street in the capital (Washington D.C) of the most powerful military in the world? The Yardies and gangs in the said locations understand one rule. Unfortunately, the same rule applies to the gangs in the beloved Mogadishu. And ask yourselves, why would one want to honour one’s presence on any of the said places other than staying well away from it? And please do not revert to the …well, it is the state capital. So what? It is a bl o o dy mess ... And one more thing, allow me to enlighten you insofar as possible as to the problem at hand in the Somali quandary: security and the build-up of administrative local authorities. If any wishes to engage on either issue (mind you these are the real issues not the stupidly mind-wrenching drivel exchanged herein to and fro), do challenge the intellect as indulged you shall be with pleasure. Until then, get a grip...and until you have done so and cleaned up the mess, please o please do us all a favour, do not pollute the airwaves and vacate the airspace.
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Xadraawi Somaliland-na waxa la gudboon inay dagaalka ka qayb gasho
miles-militis replied to SOO MAAL's topic in Politics
Xoogsade – my dear chap, the trouble with your assessment is it purely focuses upon asymmetrical PR discernment of what should have been done in lieu of what must be done. For any such perception to have validity or to invoke dialogue, impulsive as the case might be herein, would require modalities pertinent to the event-driven actualities on the ground. Unfortunately, that seems to be missing, hence rendering the discussion rather flaccid. Nonetheless, indulge you briefly I shall. One ought to understand the apparent disparity ‘ween inaYusuf and his predecessors incl. aQassim et al judging from his immediate directives and tacit workflow tactics in that he [inaYusuf] seems to have sussed out the derivatives of Somalia’s quandary [security], thusly is acting accordingly whereas his contemporaries misread the outpouring snivels and well-wishing of the populace. Failure became the end result. Cognisant of that, he is I trust, hence his preoccupation with security and FTs along with his delaying to head for the capital. Shrewd and calculating, I trust those are. Popular, these are not. But, the man in question fares not well on the popularity scale or contest. Whimsical outcries from certain corners such as “people have spoken, therefore the government must relocate to the capital†are supercilious and puerile. Convinced I am you want not to hear that, but hey no one likes to be corrected. Cheers, -
It looks like 1990/1991 war, who is responsible of what is going on?!!
miles-militis replied to nuune's topic in Politics
Lander – I am sorry, did I touch a raw nerve old chap. Well, well ...loosing our cool, eh? “waar ka joog, oo dhallinta qalim guurka ka daa†was the object my old boy, and as rightly noted earlier on that did not sit well with you. rather predictable, would not you say? The old adage “alamtarna soo daaf†springs to mind as I read your note. My dear lad, if one attempts to correct you from committing historical revisionism and faux pas to further your point, which mind you could be made without, why would you cross the floor in slinging mud at the old (grand parents). It is me, my dear lad with whom you should be crossing the sword not the old pensioners at their retirement. Perhaps, the caqaar is not quite as handy today, or is it that the market is rather dry, or is it that the state provisions had not reached your pocket yet – either way, dance as you will, but halt you shall. Another saying goes .... Oh, well …. I have lost interest … Night … -
It looks like 1990/1991 war, who is responsible of what is going on?!!
miles-militis replied to nuune's topic in Politics
Lander, if I may be bold enough as to enquire, how do you differ from the ones you prod for portentous balefulness and insensitivity since you yourself come across as if suffering from the same syndrome by only noting own anguish whilst dismissively obscuring others’. You see my dear lad, Somalia’s problems started well before 1988. And even before 1978 as BN noted. One would argue the national unrest, the decomposition of social and state machinery that precipitated the clan war in modern Somalia began well before 1969. Prior to the 1977 war, the civil strife mostly remained political and was predominantly fought through the democratic process with the creation of impromptu, spin-off political parties, despite isolated, thwarted revolts in some pockets. With that brewing in its midst primarily amongst its senior military officers, the junta began rotting at the roots whilst all the while loosing its grip, maturing rather swiftly with the honeymoon period coming rather rapidly to end. The opposition got stronger, more influential, and the need for a resolution had gotten more acute. The general public that had embraced the entrance of the military regime as a replacement for the corrupt civil government that preceded it lost esteem and interest in the new leadership as a result of its failure to make any of its promises good. This animated a rather docile opposition. It also pushed the now frantic leadership to hatch a way out. Diversion was required. Then born the big plan: revitalise the nationalist sentiment. But how? Create an enemy. But whom? Somalia’s oldest enemy under the premise of liberating western Somalia “Ogxxxnia†came the answer. Ethiopia then was in political turmoil with the kingdom abolished, a fractured military junta installed, and the country falling apart at the seams. A chance of a life time presented itself. Bingo! Invade Ethiopia! And the rest is history! Now, all through this, there had been regions in Somalia that remained at odd with the military government – suffered indeed they did perhaps not at the same scale, but no less they did. And to mock the Mogadishu crowd (anyone born and bred in the beloved city) for failing to recall anything beyond the 90s, only to lionise the 88 onslaught whilst trivialising what had come before it, is a travesty in itself, one which no right-thinking persons could excuse. The moral of this all: Embrace thy neighbour’s angst, should analogous is to be tendered! Let that be lesson for you dear lad – but then again, perhaps that shall not sit well with you, or shall it? Later! -
So, the day has arrived, and Somalia’s parliament rubberstamps FTs to penetrate Somalia with the exclusion of frontline states (provided one goes along with the opponents of frontline FTs). Does this alter the discernment of FTs? Does it negate FTs’s involvement in militia disarmament? Does this mean Mogadishu lords (war and law) shall bow out with pleasure, dignity and relinquish the weapons at leisure?
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Cabdullahi Sheik and the Ethiopian conspiracy
miles-militis replied to wind.talker's topic in Politics
Tolstoy – or shall I call you Mr Oodweyne – what is so singular of southern Somalia, may I ask? Perhaps, the argument is so appealing that you missed a footing in the boogie, or is this a new trend of courtship? Firstly, if one was to make a case on the ground of Ethiopia being a land-locked country, thusly requiring port access, fact remains Ethiopia to this date relishes unmitigated access and use of Somali territories from Zeylac to Gara’d to Berbera to Hafun to Hobyo to Bosaso which makes up 2/3rds of the country. Secondly, if one were tempted to depart sound judgment and bring in the Nile waters contention for irrigation and political purposes in the region, thusly Ethiopia’s aspiration to take hold of Juba and Shabelle waters, one must be reminded of the rivers’ source origination; therefore the less perverse mind would inquire as to why? Scare mongering in the green minds and tension rising in the less conversant persons spring to mind, and remains the sole rationale for such line of argument. Care to elaborate and make a case for it, if you dare, other than the crude conspiracy hypothesis of the darling son of the hour, Mr Hassan. And then perhaps, the Somali Patriots could do the honours in debating the validity of the claims put forth. As for the gentleman in question, a Somali whistle blower eh, how fastidious – never thought Somalis had it in them. Whilst I still denounce his arrest, for nothing warrants depriving one of one’s civil liberties, and having read HIS account of what transpired during his stay in Puntland, I must admit two areas of concern arise: Firstly, the gentleman in question was not, despite the media classifying him as such, an official member of the fact-finding troupe, rather a trekker rented for his services similar to that of tourists in rare destinations; thusly his being classified as one is rather erroneous and misleading. His divulging of the details of the mission and team’s assignment, provided one believes his story of Mogadishu being on the brink of being invaded, smacks “twat†on his forehead for his story would have been more credible had he remained more tactful, and thorough in his dispatch. Further, the following hardly adds up: If his possessions had been confiscated during his interrogations i.e. telephone, funds and the like, and never returned as highlighted, how did he manage to hang on to the maps exhibited for the world to see – remember he discovered the “maps†whilst in Jawhar, and all his belongings had been removed in Garowe? Secondly, provided inaYusuf is a stooge and as vengeful as being portrayed, why would Gedi, Mohamed Dhere, Gacmadhere amongst others of Mogadishu in their right mind approve of any mission that would bring the beloved capital under assault? Either they are obtuse, which I think not, or the gentleman in question had watched too many Hollywood movies ala Arnie – more likely than not. I for one am glad he does not claim to have been tortured whilst in custody. Or does the story have multiple twists and turns – awaiting the forthcoming episode, then. Nonetheless, it negates not the fact that his detention was objectionable. Let us wait how Farole and inaQorsheel explain this one out. All yours mi son ... -
Member of the fact finding mission jailed in P/land...!
miles-militis replied to Jumatatu's topic in Politics
wind-talker – my dear lad your comments are untoward, and uncalled for. I understand the gentleman in question (Abdillahi Sheikh Hassan) was released earlier today. However, his arrest in my opinion was unlawful and absolutely injudicious having listened to an interview with Puntland’s Minister of Information, who made a complete mockery of the concept of just detention devoid of repudiating of one’s civil liberties. Interrogate if suspected of any wrongdoing with the person’s personal and civil rights intact. Arrest if, and only if, there are justifiable basis for detention, but for crying out loud have the decorum to note what crime one might have committed. Aghast and ****** in my opinion. -
Somalia's President Prime Minister- Jowhar +Hiiraan+PUNTLAND+Baidoa
miles-militis replied to General Duke's topic in Politics
The Baydhabo style ... -
Somalia's President Prime Minister- Jowhar +Hiiraan+PUNTLAND+Baidoa
miles-militis replied to General Duke's topic in Politics
Reception - Beledweyne style...
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