Xaaji Xunjuf;991228 wrote: The details are not important he said Somaliland opposition figures were arrested , this is false they were never arrested they were prevented from entering cities . This gaal is telling lies because Somaliland rejected UNSOM political office. The Somaliland government is right to put him and his likes in their place. Another misstep and he should be banned from Somaliland altogether. Somaliland should play hard ball with these UN bureaucrats i applaud the SL government for standing against these crooks. Just like in the 90s when stevenson UN representative at that time insulted Somaliland Cigaal told him i dont have many prisons but i will lock you in my dungeon, if i ever see you again in Somaliland. Gaalkaan Nickolas la baxay should know his place this is not Somalia. How is that any better???

Ma shaa Allah OdaySomali & Marksman do ya'll have a linguistics backgrounds cause that's some next level stuff. May Allah increase your knowledge!

magicbird;990483 wrote: Bro, this is got nothing to do with a budget. The guy is a dhaalim, faasiq, theif, you name it. Giving ONLF to the Ethiopians, stealing money, a scumbag, him and his sons. Ask any person from Bosaso to Qardho, everybody will tell you why the place is messed up and they all say Farole and his sons. May Allah destroy the gaaloraac. Insha'allah one day Bari and all of Somalia will be free from scumbags like him. In shaa Allah!

Truly Epic!

Truly Epic!

Gheelle.T;990437 wrote: Brother Iqbal, a Somalilander through and through. Laakin siday ku dhacday in nin book qorayna citizenship la siiyay, nin "koonfurian" ah oo gabar Slandish ah qabana ay dhib ku tahay? Hmmm Xaaji we're starting to see a double standard. No koonfurian muusiq maasiq :mad:

^^ Jilbab in full effect! That's what I'm talking about. On another note, videos slow the page down big time trying loading just the link.

SomaliPhilosopher;990421 wrote: ^^Lool you have read my mind. Well i think its a fair arrangement. this somalilander chick tried to get me to marry her to take her back to the states. perhaps I was too soon to dismiss such marriage. i stand to benefit Somaliland citizenship. maybe I should call her :confused: Loool I was talking hypothetical SP sheekadada wa waqic lol.

Xaaji Xunjuf;990415 wrote: ^^ Depends if its a female it goes smoothly, for a male it takes much longer Looooooool Xaaji you tell things the way it is no sugar coating! Don't be looking to marry a Somalilander sister to try to score citizenship this ain't ingriiska or marykanka. Second question, can you hold koonfurian citizenship and Somaliland citizenship simultaneously?

Xaaji Xunjuf;990400 wrote: ^^ You are not from Somaliland last time i checked you were a Kenyan citizen Xaji what are the criteria to be considered a Somalilander? Is it lineage, qabil, residence?

DoctorKenney;990396 wrote: Never did I claim that Somali *are* literate. Most Somalis cannot read, and I never claimed otherwise. I'm just stating the obvious. Somalis can read the Arabic script, but can't understand the language. So perhaps a solution could be to change our writing system. For example, Ayan can read the Arabic script, but Ayan doesn't understand the Arabic language. So she can't be considered "literate" since she can't understand what's she's reading. However, Ayan can speak Somali, and understand Somali. But she has no familiarity with the Latin script (which Somali is written in) so therefore she's unable to read Somali. She would be considered technically illiterate. But if the Somali language was switched to the Arabic script, Ayan would now be able to read Somali fully. Now Ayan would be considered literate. Do you see how this little change can raise our literacy rate in one day? I feel like I'm repeating myself here. Full stop, period, end of sentence. You brought us back to the title of the thread Doc, excellent synopsis!

Safferz;990389 wrote: He seems to believe Somalis *are* literate, just that they're literate in Arabic while illiterate in Somali, which is absurd. The ones who already go to Dugsi are ahead of the game. I'm not sure how many kids have access to dugsi. But if the script was changed to Arabic there would be a positive correlation between literacy and students going to dugsi.

Safferz;990379 wrote: Anecdotal evidence doesn't qualify as data and the people you know or may have met do not represent the statistical norm, but if you'd like to go there, my experience in the Somali region (particularly in rural areas) tells me otherwise. Orality is king, including in religious practice. The denial of our massive literacy issue - literacy being the ability to recognize, write, and read the written word, in any script - does nothing but hinder our progress and development. No one is denying it we're just differing in how we should go about fixing it. Some like Dr. K suggested we change the script to Arabic that way kids in dugsi learn to read the Quran and their native language concurrently. It's a strategic project and one that I agree with wholeheartedly.

Safani;990378 wrote: Thanks for the advice Brother.... I have tried many thinks to find them before SOL ..... Did you try Facebook a lot of neighbourhoods in Xamar have their own pages. A friend of mine is headed to Xamar next month to reconnect with his friends he found through Facebook. Maybe one person will lead you to another. In shaa Allah you will find them!!

Safani with all do respect I don't think it's a good idea to look for them through the net. I am personally not comfortable telling you the whereabouts of people without knowing you personally. I would suggest you find a lass canod native in whatever community you reside and ask them to "work" the phones and help locate them. I remember a sister who's husband went "AWOL" went to an elder to see if he can do anything. She told him his particulars and the elder located him with one phone call. SOL is a last ditch effort I hope you find them but this site may not be the most efficient way of going about it.

Allyourbase;990360 wrote: This is so sad, what more is the fact that 90% of Somalis who pray are just reciting verses without knowing what they really mean. It is such a surreal experience attending prayers in a Somali Masjid , you see everyone reciting random verses of the Quran without much knowledge of what they are saying, repeatedly, day in day out. A situation which could have been avoided altogether with the permission to pray the Salat in your own language. I dont know much about you or brother Guleed Ali for instance, but I can comfortably deduce that one of you at the very least is a fan of Arab skirts (aka dishdasha) and that little white hat they love to wear, maybe you like that too. I know one of you at the very least is rocking a massive f-off beard (waa sunnah). I know for SURE you do not condone the listening to of Somali music (waa xaaraan init? ), or attend non strictly islamic Somali wedding/parties (waa dambi dee), no cinema (waa lagugu cadaabi), no opera/theatre (waa fusuq). No appreciation for art, he probably would destroy the Somali cave painting if he could as they depict living creatures (waa xaaraan). I can go on and on and on. What does it all leavel? Someone indistinguishable from Arab bedowins from Hijaz. No sense of culture, no breathing space for the Arts, thats messed up sxb. I know it's kinda like they're a bunch of slaves following their masters. Oh wait! They are a bunch of slaves following their master (Allah subhanahu wa ta3la). Allah commanded them to pray, if they decide to go further then Allah will reward them further. If they choose not to understand the book of Allah who's fault is that?

SomaliPhilosopher;990363 wrote: I think the Osmaniya script only stood a chance because it was the 'script' of the Barre's ex-clan. Anyways, I agree with the skepticism on the literacy rate figures in Somalia. I think these statistics undermine the presence of Dugsi and the learning of Quran. Perhaps since the Arabic used in the Quran is more traditional and exclusive form of arabic, these people who can read the Quran are not considered 'literate' because of their lack of familiarity with mainstream arabic idk . Anyways I think its naive to undermine the understanding of the arabic script in Somalia. Right on SP. They're more literate than an ivy league grad..... Literacy is relative, a blind person is partially "illiterate" that doesn't make him any less than someone who's fully literate.

Safferz;990346 wrote: I disagree with the premise of this thread -- most Somalis are illiterate, period. Children in dugsi or folks on this forum aren't representative of the literacy rates as a whole back home, and the ones who can read Arabic are generally the same ones who can read Somali. As Che points out, the key issue here is access and enrollment in primary education. But some interesting arguments here re: orthography and its foreignness, it's true that Somalis - and African Muslims more generally - adopted the Arabic script for their languages historically where they did not have indigenous writing systems, and those writings today are known as ajami literature to historians. There are good arguments for and against both, but I think today the Latin script enables Somalis to easily read and learn English, French and other international as well as regional languages that are of greater significance in the current global economy. At this point I see little utility in changing it, though sometimes looking back at the orthography debates of the 60s and 70s, I kinda wish the indigenous scripts like Osmaniya pushed by Somali nationalists had won out I've always been a little jealous of the Ge'ez alphabet used by Amharic, Tigrinya and other Ethiopian/Eritrean Semitic languages. A sound argument without angling towards bashing shari'a or the Arabic language. Take note people!

burahadeer;990343 wrote: Now you getting to" r the laws of Somaliland highly correlated with Islamic beliefs"....wow boy your armor cracked.From strict adherence of Sharia to are they correlated. you coming to your senses my friend ,there is always some correlation between religion and its people and I'm glad you come off your high horse. I adhere to the strict laws of shari'a and comply my family to do the same. I thought we already settled the debate that no nation is currently implementing true shari'a in it's entirety because it collides with the personal interests and political desires of their leaders. But the basis are there just needs some tweaking and I hope that the message reaches all of them the same way it reached the people of Quraish 1400 years ago. In other words if this forum were taking place anywhere in Somalia you wouldn't be able to full express yourself the way you are here. I on the other hand would be the same on or off the net.

burahadeer;990334 wrote: hahaaa making your idea go thru in anyway possible thru verbal gymanistics.....reread what you all been saying. how can anyone deal with you guys if not calling a spade a spade. Fine , official script in somalilands is Latin & there's no sharia law in any somalilands.You can talk one or both as you like. Can you openly drink and call to religions other than Islam. Or are the laws of Somaliland highly correlated with Islamic beliefs?

Alpha Blondy;990329 wrote: Somali need to have a true expression of Islam. The only way this could be found is through the use of Somali language in translating the Quran in Somali. why do we need an intermediary (Arabic language) to pray to Allah? Why is it read and only accepted in Arabic? If all languages are understood by Allah then all languages should be used in the prayer ritual. the believer should have direct access and there should be faith for all with easy access! Somalis must go back to their origins and denounce all foreign ideas. we'll need to create a new sense of nationhood based on Somali folk-lore and customs of our ancestors. the conquerors have taken away our sense of self and replaced them with their own values and ideals. there is cultural genocide being committed in the Somali peninsula by Islam. the last pockets of what remains of our customs should be protected. Islam, not only calls for uniformity and but wants a strict regiment of values. this is impossible to enforce. we are a different people whose psyche has been hijacked by the hoarders who have come to our land and destroyed our way of life. since, we're a different kettle of people, carefully considerations must to be made when embracing a new ideology. we ought to carefully and meticulously consider it's merits, specially, if it of any use to ‘us’. but when this was spread by the sword and through economic embargoes via manipulative merchants, is it any wonder the people will accept without question? we have accepted Islam without question. are we the so called ‘noble savages’, who lack intellectuality and their own historical trajectories? we need to have a plurality-conscious society, where customs, religion and sociocultural values all have the same influence and weighing. Where emphasis is put on restoring our cultural origins before 'these' foreign ideas were instituted. Because Allah chose the Arabic language for the Quran, there no debating that. It's in the Quran itself: And We know well that they say: Only a man teacheth him. The speech of him at whom they falsely hint is outlandish, and this is clear Arabic speech. Surah 16:103. So you can translate it to any language you wish but it all comes back to the Arabic language. We don't question the decisions of the Lord we just abide by them.

Why can't we look at this meeting as one that might unite Somalis together. May Allah guide OUR leaders Siilanyo, Culusow, Madoobe, and Faroole in shaa Allah. Allahuma Ameen. Somalis need more du'caa and less bickering and tribalism. We all get along in these forums regardless of our tribal or geo-political backgrounds so why can't we wish the same for our leaders.

burahadeer;990320 wrote: ^^^ in Somalia the Somali script is the official one and nowhere seen any otha.The system of gov't is thru ballot box in Somaliland & parlemantary in Mogadishu...these implemented by masses in the country & not disporas...we both know that. You're flip flopping between sharia' and script we started talking script then talked shari'a and now we're talking script. You see why people are saying you're trolling? We have differing views but don't try to instigate hatred out of people....

Khayr;990289 wrote: Then how do you get access to capital. All Venture Capitalists are emerged in interest yet partake in partnership with start ups. BA's are useless in and of themselves. There value lays in getting good grades for Grad School. Private equity partnerships are the way to go. People are tired of the big corporations because they're not any better than the pyramid schemer. Just look at Bernie Madoff he was turning people away telling them that they must be referred by someone in order to join, talk about reverse psychology. It's a lot of leg work but if you put serious effort in your presentation and show people you have a viable venture I don't think people mind risking a little to potentially gain a lot! BA's are useless only if they're irrelevant to your field of study. In some places a Phd holder in education cannot teach high school students unless they have the required Bachelor of Education (a two year intensive degree done after a bachelor's degree). You must be careful with Graduate Studies because in some field they will render you "overqualified" and you'll resort to hiding it and not using it thus becoming useless. While in some countries you can't even set foot into an interview without one. It's a double edged sword so be careful one way or another.