xiinfaniin;977934 wrote: GAROODI reminds brother Red Sea He has a notable Islamist tendency yet a separatist at his core. I would be the first to fold away the somaliland flag for the return of a Muslim khilafah. You forget xinn above the blood of those who died fighting another jahil (the blood on the flag) and above the peace and people represented by the black star stand the words there is no God but God and Mohamed was his messenger. Islam should remain the overall goal of not only the somali people but the whole Muslim world. We have done our part for the Muslim nation do your part and remove the Christien mercenaries from your soil and establish peace for your people. Instead you dance for Ugandans and Kenyans. Shaking your tin cups for European fake aid money have some shame. Somaliland will join the fold of any khilafah inshallah when it comes will you or will Uganda and Kenya still be protecting mugdisho and kismayo for you. Christien free: home of somali unfication: home of the anti Christien Abyssinian empire: the seat of the Ottoman Empire in east africa: the source of the fall of the great jahil. If we are asked to join the Muslim nation we will...

When asked to provide proof none of these people are ready to back up their arguments.

xiinfaniin;977906 wrote: Garoodi, Today is a Somali day. Give to the president Hassan Sheekh, and federal state leaders like Faroole All the best to you and all the Somalis inshallah. But what have the previous so called billions done for Somalia ??? Naive my friend naive. In the 22 years the E.U. Was apparently helping Somalis the Turks and Arabs have surpassed it in the last few years at least the Turks build roads and hospitals. It's all bulls&t. Enjoy your photo opp we all know you will never see a dollar from these people.

^^^ Please can me have some money too and a picture with you.

Mad_Mullah;977892 wrote: Very true Garoodi, Jubba/Somali leaders can't even leave their house without being targeted. Saxib in all seriousness these intergovernmental bodies have allocated aid budgets: and in most cases they give the money through secondary partners i.e NGO's who then spend the bulk of it on administrative costs. What ever the e.u pays will go back to their NGO staff and if thy can add any nominal benefit for themselves they will. There is nothing such thing as a free lunch. Somalia should be focusing on creating effective methods of tax collecting, spending it on security and promote private enterprise to further develop. The west don't give a sh)t about Somalis or Somalia. Yet these *** boast about seeing "officials" having their picture taken with Catherine ashdown or whatever her name is... Walahi Somalis deserve to be in the state they are in. This is absurd.

Somalia;977879 wrote: What's funny about you secessionists is that you were forced to attend the first two conferences which were useless and skipped the most important one. LOL If you say so lol.

The inter governmental welfare office: we got more aid then you sheko. It all boils down to taxation gentlemen that's were the real power is. South Somalia is to curropt and inept for proper tax collection. Puntland the same and with few towns and people. Juba can't even tax in kismayo. Your going almost 23 years of statelessness and all you can talk about is they sit behind me. European nations will never fullfill 10% of their commitments and the rest will be lost to the men pictured because there is no accountability and they have the worst record in terms of curroption and the governments know this they do their research. Have some self respect.

Marksman;977543 wrote: In my opinion islam goes against many human rights and common laws we have today in the western world. And we take them for granted. Why don't we talk about this instead of a romanticized version of islam? Sure there are some good things, but go into detail and you'll be shocked. Go to the islamic sources and you'll see that being a minority (religion), slave or a woman is one of the worst things to be in a country based on islamic law. I wish people would refute my claims with examples. I'll do the same later. Sure it makes me sad when people say islam is perfect and Muslims aren't. In general we lack critical thinking. We're stagnant, we're stuck. Please go into detail about the freedoms and liberties islam denies you? We are all very intrigued to hear what you have to say.

^^^ Agreed in Egypt it is a setback however they are only postponing the eventual. The Muslim brotherhood is not a band organisation and can contest the next election it has grass root support that it built up during the years under Hosni Mubarek. It is not going anywhere. The west is directly behind this latest plot using the American financed Egyptian army. But I am 100% certain that if another election happened tomorrow the two Muslim parties would win the Muslim brotherhood and the salafi party. Egypt is the head of the Arabs so they must counter it their. The irony is it is the very democratic system that will eventually bring Islamic parties to power and ALL of them from turkey to Middle East to Asia have the same objective. We are witnessing momentus changes in the Middle East:

RedSea;977486 wrote: "We have indeed sent down (in this Quran) manifest Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, lawful and unlawful things, and the set boundaries of Islamic religion, etc. that make things clear showing the Right Path of Allah). And Allah guides whom He wills to a Straight Path (i.e. to Allah's religion of Islamic Monotheism)". Chapter (24) sūrat l-nūr (The Light) The Muslim Nation is waking up: we have learnt from our mistakes and inshallah in our lifetime or our children's lifetime we will witness great change.....we have mankinds greatest history and against all odds we still stand and grow stronger

Believe what you want to believe but we are all one and the same: Islamic history belongs to the entire Muslim nation. Because all Muslims took part one of the greatest places of knowledge in the Islamic world was Timbuktu: The sultanate of adel and shoa whose capital was based in Zeilla had links with the Ottoman Empire and fought Ethiopian Abyssinia expansion into somali territory. So you see this is a chain we are linked. From Moscow to Jakarta. Be it black Muslim or white or Arab or Asian.

The scientific method: The Greeks contributed to philosophy in regards to science but most of it was non sense when Muslim theorists examined the works of Aristotle it didn't take long for them to point out obvious mistakes. Astronomy, mathematics, optics, alchemists, human anatomy and surgery all happened under the Islamic empire. The world trades in Muslim numbers 12345678910 other then the 0 which was incorporated from India the rest is Muslim. The first hospital based on wards and the first theorist to understand desease was spread airborne is Islamic while Europeans use to bring the bones of their saint to cure them hahaah.... Optics the first cataract operations etc. It's all because in the Quran God encourages knowledge and reason and human mental development. The more you understand about the world the more you appreciate the beauty and perfection of life the more you will believe in God. That's why many chapters always end with "let the men of understanding see". Islamic Spain was the jewel of Europe. Most people in the west argue that Italy led to the age of reason I.e. the renaissance. Europe and Christianity who were preoccupied with collecting tax from the poor didn't spark the renaissance Islamic Spain changed the mentally of Europe and led to the age of reason and the church tried to crush it because smart people or literate people could see that it was all nonsense.

Islam was the first religion on earth to give women equal rights in politics, to own land, to get inheritance, to choose to keep her surname, to give her rights in marriage etc while Western Europe debated for 300 years if Women even had souls: not to mention an entire chapter in the Quran dedicated to the rights of women: "On the contrary, Islam was the first religion formally to grant the women a status never known before. The Holy Quran, the sacred scripture of Islam, contains hundreds of teachings, which apply both to men and women alike. The moral, spiritual and economic equality of men and women as propagated by Islam is unquestionable. The specific verses of the Holy Quran, which address themselves to men or women, deal with either their physical differences or the role they each have to play in safeguarding the moral fibre of the society Islam envisages" http://www.alislam.org/library/WOMANINISLAM.pdf You have been fooled:

The Jews of Islamic Spain fled to Morocco, Tunisia , Egypt and turkey after the fall of Islamic Spain. Furthermore the greatest poetry and addition to the Jewish Talmud was contributed in Islamic Spain written by the Sephardic Jews. At the side of the great. Mosque of cordoba is a Jewish synagogue. All the books below prove your talking absolute nonsense: Medieval Jewish commerce in Islamic lands Modern Jewry in Islamic lands Ladino, a mix of Hebrew and Spanish Synagogue architecture across the world

What the Jews wrote about Islamic spain: For all its political unrest, Muslim Iberia [spain and Portugal] sustained its economic vitality well into the twelfth century. The Jews shared in that affluence. Heavily concentrated in Granada, they earned their livelihoods as distributors of the region's sugarcane and cotton; as exporters of marble, gold, silver, iron, and copper; as retail tradesmen, artisans, and physicians. Beyond Granada, Jewish enclaves were still to be found in Cordoba, the focus of the Jews' original settlement, and in Lucena and Seville. During periods of civil instability, additional thousands also migrated northward to the Christian kingdoms of Asturias, Leon, Castile, Navarre, Coimbra. Yet even in the north, Spanish Jews by and large preserved their Arabic language and nomenclature, and remained extensively integrated into the Arab cultural terrain. Wherever they settled, too, the Jews continued to operate as a state within a state, exercising the widest measure of fiscal and judicial autonomy. For them, within that insular world, it was the synagogue that functioned as the communal omnium‑gatherum [all-purpose gathering place]. There were many hundreds of these, from public synagogues to synagogues erected by guilds of artisans to private synagogues attached to the homes of wealthy families, Cordoba and Granada, each with five or six thousand Jews, maintained* at least two dozen synagogues. In Toledo, with barely four thousand Jews, there were eleven. Characteristically, Iberian (and North African) synagogues shared most of the architectural and decorative features of the mosque. Construction was in the shape of a rectangle. The Ark of the Torah, positioned in the center of the sanctuary, was encircled by* cushions and mats. Inasmuch as Jews were forbidden to employ human likenesses, the synagogue, like the mosque, was adorned with the carvings of* animals and vegetation, with plaster lobes, horseshoe bows, rosettes, and sacred* verses filigreed in Hebrew lettering. Plainly, the synagogue, in common with the mosque and the church, was first and foremost a house of prayer. For all of Andalusia's pleasures, worship was a serious concern for its heterogeneity of Arabs, Moors, Jews, Slavs, Visigoths, and Lusitanians. But for Jews as well as for the others, the day of rest was also a convivial delight. Comfort and Self-Satisfaction Prevailed For Centuries Thus, after a Friday‑afternoon visit to the neighborhood bathhouse, and its opportunity for gossip with friends, a middle‑class Jew attended services on Saturday morning. Upon returning home, he and his family enjoyed an ample Sabbath meal, usually of spiced meat and flatbread, washed down with wine. A siesta followed. Afterward, the home was open to relatives and friends. The family ambience was tradition‑bound.

Hobbesian_Brute;977368 wrote: Maskiin, your just rehashing classic apologist view points here, there never was a multicultural paradise in Islamic Spain, its a myth, which has been thoroughly debunked. http://www.firstprinciplesjournal.com/articles.aspx?article=1364 Entire nations which were conquered, become arabized and lost their glorious heritage like egypt, persia, and even somalia which has lost much of the essence of its true identity and culture to arabo-islam. How is that a good thing ? how did it grant women rights ? proof ? infact much of islam is built on the superiority of the arab over the non arab. another lie, the greeks gave us the scientific method I'm not westerner, i don't claim their history as mine, nor their advances,i am objective. you on the other hand think your an arab and take pride in their achievements and sublimate your pride with their past glories. that is not normal sxb. Lets start with your first assumption that nations became arabised. The entire bases of your assumption is wrong because you confuse Arab with Muslim. Arabs before the advant of Islam were nomads with oral traditions that primarily inhabited the deserts. They had a backward culture of paganism, tribalism and other then the insence trail had very little culture. This is the original pre Islamic culture I.e. it's basis. So if you want to refer to Arab culture academically this is your only reference point. You argue that Muslims destroyed other people's cultures. To answer this question you first have to understand that in religion their are commonly shared practises which equate to mutually shared faith I.e. religion and culture which is different then religion. Commonly shared aspects of faith I.e. reciting the Quran in Arabic, building a mosque in the same manner, prayer etc are all religious aspects that are mutually shared. This is not a form of domination but mutually shared aspects of faith or religion. A Jews would build a synagogue be in Madrid or Rio. In terms of culture which is what you are trying to argue was dominated. This is clearly not true. Even within the Islamic empire historians ALL mutually accept that the Muslim empire provided autonomy for all the various regions and had minimal involvement in the day to day affairs of the various regions. Kings or rulers of various regions would report in a hierarchical structure. The state was involved in matters of military, administrive I.e. bearucratic affairs and tax collecting and if you have proof that argues otherwise it would be interesting to see it Please post for all readers to SEE. In terms of Egyptian and Persian civilisations being destroyed: by the time the Muslims reached Egyptian Greece had converted the original Egyptians into Christians I.e. Copts who have the same type of Christianity as Greece not a coincedence. Furthermore the ideas of paganistic ancient Egyptian society and the sun worshiping culture of Zoroastrianism of ancient Persia contradict the monotheistic ideals of Islam as described in the Quran. In regards to the Somalis. Somalis during the period of time we are referring to we're minimally influenced by Arabs. The Islamic conquest brought many Arabs and Muslims to the coast to preach and trade. The Ottoman Empire had more influence on the Somalis then Arabs again you are confusing religion with cultural domination. The recent change in clothing is a religious transformation. White women in Europe wear the niqab it doesn't mean Arab cultural domination.

History is judge: and history shows islam is the most peaceful religion. In Islamic Spain Muslims created today's concept of multiculturalism then known as combebenthia, were jews and Christiens were protected. In Jerusalem the same. It liberated entire nations from brutal oppression. Islam was the first to grant women rights, to abolish racism and created the scientific method. All these concepts have ony been recently achieved in the western world. Don't let western propaganda Misguide you. It is the west that declared war on the Muslim nation it is because of them we are on their soil today. It is they who arm the tyrants over us. We oppose western concepts governance, of finance and of society we want to adhere to our own values and structures. Islam has never been a violent religion. People seriously need to read history. Lets hope Thomas Hobbs helps you.

^^^ Saxib don't mind him he doesn't know what he talking about he believes in the ideas of Thomas Hobbs hence the name: Thomas Hobbs argues that: . His main concern is the problem of social and political order: how human beings can live together in peace and avoid the danger and fear of civil conflict. He poses stark alternatives: we should give our obedience to an unaccountable sovereign (a person or group empowered to decide every social and political issue). Otherwise what awaits us is a “state of nature” that closely resembles civil war – a situation of universal insecurity, where all have reason to fear violent death and where rewarding human cooperation is all but impossible. Even this Englishman understood the importance of supreme authority...

But never lose hope, God knows best. It's has been set in motion. The Russians, Europeans, Americans are allies one unto another. If we don't see it in our lifetime our children will God willing: " frameborder="0" allowfullscreen> One thing we will witness is the demographic change in Europe. How ironic their very capitals with a Muslim majority population.

This transformation is also going on in Asia

I use to remember Arab and Turks fighting each other in the mosques but today both have woken up

Women are women. If you marry white, Arab, Persian etc all the same as long as they are Muslims and concent to it. But nothing more beautiful in this world then a somali women. The mixture of Semite and hemite blood gives you access to the best of both worlds. But this is not about marriage and you should not base everything on race or "would they let me marry their daughter" this is an ideological struggle that has been present for past few hundred years. Salahudin Ayubi the leader of the Islamic army that liberated Jerusalem was kurdish, sultan mehmet and the other ottoman chalipshs were turkish and European slaves who rose to become sultans. The mamluks who controlled Egypt were from the Caucasus I.e Chechnya. The Mughal who ruled India for almost a thousand years were from Afghanistan. Islamic al Andalusia was ruled by Berbers for a long time. So you see the history of the Islamic world was not entirely Arab it has been non Arab. In regard to your Hadith about how quresh can only lead: firstly it is well known that not all the hadiths are authentic. Most of them are but there some that are not authentic. The Prophet (pbuh) said that a white man is not better then a black man, an Arab is not better then a non Arab. And the fact that over the past few hundred years the chaliphate was under ottoman Turks and Europeans control with the blessing of the entire muslim world Arab and non Arab proves that Ethier you are not looking at it in its context (what the sentence said before it or the historical context or what it was refering to in a particular time) or it is wrong. One or the other I'm sure of it. History has proven that to be the case. So after a thousand years of growth and western jealousy this is how they destroyed us: using the same tactics of race, nationalism etc.

As long as larger commercial airliners can land then before it is a development. wether Ethiopian air comes or not is not our concern. Detoore maybe you should focus on helping your capital build a runway this is the 21st century and your runway is made of sand

This is Africa for anything to go without a hitch is vertually impossible. The reality is the majority of erigavo support changing the currency to SOMALILAND shilling because firstly it protects them from fake money being shipped in from Somalia that has led to severe inflation. So the option is clear fake money or solid money. Remember money is the exchange of goods and services for paper currency if your paper currency is not safe then it makes no sense to continue with it. Some people jump on this and think people are rejecting it. The majority support the Somaliland shilling, the government has authorised it and hence why it will go ahead. What this has to do with a dictatorship that systematically killed tens of thousands of people because of their clan is just absurd.

This is not Mecca or Madina or even Cairo. This is is not Karachi or Jakarta this is MOSCOW: