They also state the below two as contradictions: again laughable Your guardian can be only Allah; and His messenger and those who believe, who establish worship and pay the poordue, and bow down (in prayer). Qur'an 5:55 No The Believers, men and women, are protectors one of another: they enjoin what is just, and forbid what is evil: they observe regular prayers, practise regular charity, and obey Allah and His Messenger. On them will Allah pour His mercy: for Allah is Exalted in power, Wise. .

^^^ Lets skip the yeses and move on to the no's..... It's says no angels too...that showed to me the level of st?dity in the person who posted this: We are your guardians in this world's life and in the hereafter, and you shall have therein what your souls desire and you shall have therein what you ask for In reference to the above they argue the WE is there so called contradiction. Little do you know in the semetic languages of both Arabic and Hebrew this is common in Arabic this is referred to as grammatical shifting called iltifad in Arabic and in Hebrew has its own name: perfect example if 'We have given you abundance, therefore pray to your Lord', since the reference here is to one and the same, i.e. God. Another suggested condition stipulates that the transition should be between two independent sentences. This perhaps resulted from the observation of a limited number of examples, and was thus rightly refuted by reference to many other examples that do not involve two independent sentences, for example Q. 25:17.[32] Types Of Iltifāt And Related Features These can be of the following types: Change in person, between 1st, 2nd and 3rd person, which is the most common and is usually divided into six kinds. Change in number, between singular, dual and plural. Change in addressee. Change in the tense of the verb. Change in case marker. Using noun in place of pronoun. This doesn't mean That We is two Gods

If I looked all of them I would be here all day: for someone who did a Wikipedia job. Haha. All the links that you have posted do not actually show contradictions: contradiction for example is: Jesus says worship god ( bible chapter 2) then saying don't worship me etc... What you posted: Is Allah the only protector? Yes Ye have not, beside Him, a protecting friend or mediator. Will ye not then remember? Qur'an 32:4 Yes Surely Allah's is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth; He brings to life and causes to die; and there is not for you besides Allah any Guardian or Helper. Qur'an 9:116 Yes Do then those who disbelieve think that they can take My slaves [i.e., the angels, God's Messengers, 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), etc.] as Auliyâ' (lords, gods, protectors, etc.) besides Me? Verily, We have prepared Hell as an entertainment for the disbelievers Qur'an 18:102 No, angels too We are your guardians in this world's life and in the hereafter, and you shall have therein what your souls desire and you shall have therein what you ask for Qur'an 41:31 No Your guardian can be only Allah; and His messenger and those who believe, who establish worship and pay the poordue, and bow down (in prayer). Qur'an 5:55 No The Believers, men and women, are protectors one of another: they enjoin what is just, and forbid what is evil: they observe regular prayers, practise regular charity, and obey Allah and His Messenger. On them will Allah pour His mercy: for Allah is Exalted in power, Wise. .

My dear Hobbs. I have to say you severely let me down I thought you had found the holy grail metaphorically speaking of course..... I would like to remind you of your exact words.... "war maad ka joogtid!!, the contradictions in the Qur'an are countless. i am afraid you will go insane once the truth becomes clear to you" "Qur'an is what i was brought upon, i have memorized it, listened to its tafseer for years and i know it contents cover to cover, one can only charitably term as gobbledygook. its over rated, even as literature its abysmal runti, no order to it, repetitive, unimaginative, full of denunciations, errors, contradictions. it has no head or a tail, and lets not forget Mo just plagiarized Hebrew stories and passed them as his own divine revelations. whenever i open and read it now, i inevitably laugh" Yet even though you a "learned and memorised scholar of the Quran" and "there are countless contradictions" You cut and pasted two links from Wikipedia or google as your argument every single one of them I can entirely disprove. Come on Hobbs. I though you were serious. Slanting an entire religion needs solid evidence. I have only read the Quran twice cover to cover in English and I can quote it to you all day. You can't even give me one contradiction even though their is countless contradictions as you put it.

xiinfaniin;978494 wrote: Hobbesian_Brute, What is your angle ? The beauty of Islam is that it does not compel. It affords the right to reject Allah with the promise of accountability and sever punishment. Keeping that in mind, it is one thing to argue that you do not believe in Allah. Totally another to argue that Allah does not exist, or the Quran is riddled with inaccuracies. So which one is it? The first is fine with me. The second is a wanton breach. Isn't there something going on in kismayo you can talk about -----------------> please This is a conversation that me and Hobbs were having

Wadani;978482 wrote: lool, ka joogi maynee soo daa waxaad haysid. 18:1 Surah al Kafh [All] praise is [due] to Allah , who has sent down upon His Servant the Book and has not made therein any deviance.

Hobbesian_Brute;978481 wrote: war maad ka joogtid!!, the contradictions in the Qur'an are countless. i am afraid you will go insane once the truth becomes clear to you. I am begging you to write down for us every contradiction you found. Please state the aya or sentence and chapter so we can all look for ourselves as well. I have gone through it so many times and have not found even one so I am very intrigued.

Hobbesian_Brute;978461 wrote: who says so ? this is assertion is subjective and pointless, of course every faith says the same about their scriptures. It's not subjective or pointless for the very reasons I stated. I have read ad compared and analysed and critiqued and I have not found one contradiction. I have even read the bible and parts of the thalmut and I found pure contradictions. I am very keen to hear the contradictions you have found in the quran. Because I missed them please highlight I seriously want to know. The Quran when I read it seriously was unbelievable.

The quran can't be compared to any book. Even when I was reading it I read it from the perspective of neutrality. Because I was not really religious so in a sense I was looking to justify the continuation of my jahilnimo. I looked and looked and looked and re read the entire book cover to cover and I could not find one contradiction. I'm curious to hear what you found. Care to elaborate.

"It is He who sends down rain from the sky; from it is drink and from it is foliage in which you pasture [animals]. He causes to grow for you thereby the crops, olives, palm trees, grapevines, and from all the fruits. Indeed in that is a sign for a people who give thought. And He has subjected for you the night and day and the sun and moon, and the stars are subjected by His command. Indeed in that are signs for a people who reason. And [He has subjected] whatever He multiplied for you on the earth of varying colors. Indeed in that is a sign for a people who remember. And it is He who subjected the sea for you to eat from it tender meat and to extract from it ornaments which you wear. And you see the ships plowing through it, and [He subjected it] that you may seek of His bounty; and perhaps you will be grateful. And He has cast into the earth firmly set mountains, lest it shift with you, and [made] rivers and roads, that you may be guided, And landmarks. And by the stars they are [also] guided. Then is He who creates like one who does not create? So will you not be reminded? And if you should count the favors of Allah , you could not enumerate them. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful." - surah nahle

16:4 "He created man from a sperm-drop; then at once, he is a clear adversary" - surah nahle Reminds me of the above

Hobbesian_Brute;978339 wrote: of course i do, and what is your point ? The point I am making is simple. Any educated rational person can open two books and compare the concepts and critique them according to logic and reason. I have read the work of Thomas Hobbs, Emanuel Kant, Isaiah Berlin and many others. There was even a period I entertained the notions of Niteche and as your probably aware he was the worst of the lot when it came to any faith. After reading all that I picked up a copy of the quran and I have not looked back since. Philosophy especially western philosophy is primarily based on three things. The enlightenment, a hate for Christienaity and things that are common sense. John Paul satre argued to exist is to be free well no sh)t Sherlock. Read the quran from cover to cover and you'll see how bu))shit western philosophy is.

Khayr;978149 wrote: Seriously serious dude! We also live in sick times as well....the sheep or guyeem in Yiddish are being led to the slaughter... Hobbesian holds this Englishman in higher esteem then the Quran http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Hobbes Sad indeed...the man is not all that even as a philosopher.

One of the funniest things I have ever seen. Pirates talking the same usual bull. Hag being hag. I think you guys have been beating a dead horse for 22 years. In all seriousness look at you as example worse then the previous generation. Call it a day people Somalia is dead and has been dead for a long time. No amount of EU Monopoly money can revive it. There is nothing left to revive the rotting corpse has become bones.

Did Burundi find them or did Uganda??

^^^ acudibilah... Walahi this guy is something else alright. He insults a man for praying to God five times a day acudibilah. Seriously??? Seriously???

^^^ one building that up close is a ruin with bullet holes that can collapse at any moment is your definition of surpassing SOMALILAND. Funny you were just claiming you can count all the building on two hands. I can count all the building with one figure in mugdisho aka city of death. The bakara market gets its supplies shipped in from SOMALILAND and Berbera only recently did it the Africans let you use mugdisho port. Luck has nothing to do with peace it's called civilised nature. Something that you lack severely how else can you explain 22 years of thugary. When you are capable of being civilised and win your independence then come back to me. For the moment work on gaining your independence.

Khayr;978082 wrote: Unfortunately, you can't contribute as a Dhimmi. There is however room for you as a slave and you could be sold. There is one thing though - How much would you fetch for? I guess we would need references from your current massas (masters) ! Being his current massas you can have him for free he is no good justs talk bull all day.... Haha

^^^ I have nothing against hag. Name me one building hag owns in Hargaisa haha. Hargaisa is one town: Burco, borama, Berbera, shieck. And many more. You have a few resorts good for you. We built an entire nation from scratch, control from Djibouti to the Somalia border au free and held multiple democratic elections. While 80% of mugdisho is still in ruins, you can't even control mugdisho on your own, your militia and politicians are slapped around by africans let alone anyone else. And the best you have is mugdisho by night and some kid on a hotel. Get outa here. Your president goes to the toilet acompannied by au forces and you have the guts to come out here and say you are developing. Don't catch me hear you ever utter the words SOMALILAND from your mouth your the joke of the entire world. Out of fear you say...haha...from who you...haha...is that before or after you are accompanied by the AU??

malistar2012;978032 wrote: After 22 years and Hargesa airport is not developed unemployment is high no Jobs for average citizen . to the point that SNM descends are migrating to Mogadishu for better work and wages . waxba ma isku hees siin other then some sort of stability. Your the only country in 21st century to be under a colonial protective authority and whats even worse is they are starving impoverished third world African states who struggle to feed their people. Even with international recognition somaliland has surpassed you. " frameborder="0" allowfullscreen> " frameborder="0" allowfullscreen> " frameborder="0" allowfullscreen> In regards to our airport one of many to come. Our youth are like any other youth. Young, happy and stu)p. if anyone was interested in moving to mugdisho the tens of thousands of people from mugdisho who live in SOMALILAND in peace as refugees would return. Tell captain akuna Matata and his Christien mercenaries I said hi as he chases you around mugdisho airport

burahadeer;977974 wrote: ^^^ we want Somalia unity ,hahaa so they say....no one buys that in light of how they talk about Mogadishu & present Somali leaders and in light of the fiasco in jubaland and the defacto status of puntland.It's neva ending nuisance checked only by reality. How can u have unity with mugdisho when you were incapable of building unity for 40 years with burco??? It's a valid point?? I would encourage people from las canod to actually go to somaliland and see it instead of the qabil boogy man. The reality is South Somalia has nothing to offer anyone. Even their presedency is based on fairy tale. Ever heard of a president who depends on other nations armies to live in his own capital??? Ever heard of a president who is abroad more then actually at home??? Waaa khiyali. In reality Somalia is a UN AU trusteeship territory. Alshabab has made the governments existence even fake existence required. Because the west is scared of any Islamic influence in the region. Alshabab should not kill their own people. They should have taken the line of the Islamic courts union and won the hearts and minds of the somali people because they are stronger then the present government and still remain today.

malistar2012;978004 wrote: Somaliland Will also benefit from the New deal Package , It was agreed in Ankara That SFG will share with Hargesa Admin any International aid and development provided to Somalia. We don't want Monopoly money keep it all. My comment was about promoting self reliance. The e.u pays to keep you as a trusteeship territory paying for African mercenaries that's all they pay for and talking shop you call a parliament that has not done one thing.

Marksman;978019 wrote: Hi Garoodi, I don't have much time these days, but I will try to respond to this when I can. Also, I don't want to respond with something short. Get a smart phone and type on the go Saxib that's how I do it. Interested to here your argument, you take the same perspective as Hobbesian if I remember correctly.

^^^ Don't mind this one. He has not presented one valid argument even though we have asked him on multiple occasions. He thinks muslims worship a moon God. Even though in the quran it clearly states the same God as Abraham and Moses. The one God who created everything. Mr blanket assumptions and no actual substance. Text book example of what watching Fox News does to people.

Naxar Nugaaleed;977953 wrote: Moonlight, you clearly see its a doctored vid what the heck Doctored. The man clearly says in the time somaliland was in las canod waay disantay and that is the reality las canod has developed under Somaliland. Wells, electricity, local governance, no guns etc. All the brouhaha is because of clan. The mayor of las canod is from las canod. All members of local government are locals. The army in sool is local. So that argument is bull... We want somali unity is the second argument. Ok using logic somaliland is technically no recognised and is part of Somalia because of it and with mercenaries running around the south and the chaos only a baboon would go down south. You guys have nothing to argue just focus on developing.