For certain countries SOMALILAND allows that because its used to attach what Saudis call muqawama... This guy thinks its SOMALILAND askin its people to join Somalia lool desperate.com/jahawerer lool. SOMALILAND is not recognised for countries like Djibouti, Ethiopia and Kenya who accept the SOMALILAND passport the government encourages the SOMALILAND passport.

Carafaat;968057 wrote: Cambuulo, ethnic Somalilanders were in Kismaayo even before many HAGs and Puntlanders settled there. There was even a certain neighborhood where they formed the majority, but most of them have fled the city during the civil war. This particular sub-clan live however still live in Lower, Middle Jubba and even Gedo and are called Macalin'weyne . They mostly live in rural parts and form a great number. They settled there nearly 200 years ago. I really don't understand why folks as Xaaji Xunjuf hide this kind of history??!!:mad: Carafat and his history loool funny stuff seriously. Somalilanders history is well know we live deep in Ethiopia to east Sanag and up till cayabo which is not far from las canod all this land was conquered and settled in. There have been a few communities who left during the colonial period they settled in Tanzania, Kenya and Yemen. But who cares they left. In terms of juboyinka there was a small population there as anywhere but they left or have returned to SOMALILAND.

THe Dirac is actually Yemeni it was introduced into Somali culture via Aden and Djibouti. Became popular in Djibouti and SOMALILAND eventually reaching as we see Kenyan Somalis but its still Yemeni

^ for the first time a Somalian government signed a document stating that it is Sharing its airspace with another government and to have a joint committee to oversee it and share revenue between the two equatibly. Saxib that's the white flag right there. It's base does not matter who controls somali airspace? Joint committee of SOMALILAND and Somalia. You have set another presedent highlighting that you do not control somali airspace. Step by step dent after dent. If SOMALILAND is not happy we will renew UN flight ban who will it effect ???

^^^ who is going nuts? We to busy developing and taking land from pirates like you. With or without recognition Saxib the name of the game is the same: SOMALILAND is gone..... As for your argument of federalism being the only solution hahahah. Pirates starting to believe their own lies. The talk of federalism first started in carta as a way of appeasing SOMALILAND. When like today they refused to have anything to do with Somalia. The pirates created baxbax land in 1998. Seeing how much SOMALILAND was beig offered. Baxbax land has never been a state it has alway been a means to an end to get whatever they could get from the remains of the failed state. The kismayo issue highlights my argument that when you try to forcibly take hag land with the assistance of Kenya and support of pirates their I'd Ethier a desire for domination or a fight for survival which is one and the same in somali standards. Hag have no desire for galmudug or federalism their beating heart is mugdisho and hag is anti federalism primarily because it doesn't make sense. They want central rule because as they see it we are all Somalis, same language, culture, plus land size and population size doesn't make sense. Furthermore hag is the majority in Somalia and that's why the reject it. And in time your pirate causins will be surprised to see the kikuyu will be joined by other amisom forces and eventually lose that region to the government. In time 2016 and beyond federalism will be rejected. Genuine federalism would involve regions of mixed clans joining each other like the 6 regions of south Somalia. But tribal federalism like today will never be accepted. Typical d block always shooting themselves in the foot. You are your own worst enemies

^^^ this isn't Germany this is Somalia. Hag want central rule because its in their interest to dominate Somalia if they can with the capital and trade. D block are playing there last card the want federalism because they want to weaken the hag desire to dominate through central rule. They believe that through federalism they can outnumber the hag in states and dominate through federalism. In reality however I see hag winning Somalia. Mugdisho is there's and they are majority across Somalia. Bay and bakool don't really care for federalism nether do the other tribes in Somalia. If Hassan sheick can work a miracle and become no longer dependent on au forces if he can create his federal regions and can hold any viable election in 2016 as his mandate says then a referendum on the constitution will be rejected.centralised rule from the centre will win. It's a big if. The juba issue showed hag the need for central rule and it has achieved the opposite Of what d block wanted which was promote central rule. If mugdisho continues to develop hag will have further leverage as garowe doesn't cut nothing with its 200 hundred thousand people. Majority rule is what hag is after and in the end they will get it. If they can remain united: continue to build mugdisho: continue to build the somali army which is a joke and has not liberated one village on their own. And continue to argue for central rule they will win.

^^^ without SOMALILAND,Somalia wa Iska adhi ninwalba Iska racaya hense why they desperate to come to the holy land.in terms of the aviation it will be joint controlled Somalia will have a team that monitors Somalia airspace and SOMALILAND will have a team that monitors SOMALILAND airspace. Revenue from Somalia goes to Somalia and revenue from SOMALILAND goes to SOMALILAND instead of kikuyu getting out money we are prepared to have this for the time being. Every penny counts when your building a state. Being based in Hargaisa curroption of funds will not be tolerated. You take your half and I take mine. If anything happens they will get slapped back down to mugdisho.

Tillamook;967801 wrote: ^^^^ looool look who is talking a mad habar who has lost all hopes of international recognition and all dignity if they had any. Saxib runta aan kuu sheego. Somaliland is dead. the world never knew it and does not even care. Ahmed Silanyo and the mad habro know it, and the rest of Somalia knows. No secession will ever happen and we all know that. These conferences are designed with one objective to highlight to the world that SOMALILAND is going nowhere and that they will be placated with a few concessions and the unity of MOTHER SOMALIA is sacrosanct, which will further demoralize the already frustrated habro, which will ultimate be a positive for us, true Somalis. So my dear troglodyte from the habro enclave keep dreaming for la-la land will never be. If you say so Saxib Uganda ka xorow Saxib marka hore. What has recognition done for you? And what has the lack of it not done for us

^^^^ looool look who is talking pirates who have lost land to the landers and all respect if they had any. And Moryaan who are ordered by African Ugandans. Saxibyal runta anu isu Shegno. Somalia is dead. the world knows it, Hassan sheick and Somalians know it and we know it. No unity will ever happen again we all know that. These conferences are designed with one objective to highlight to the world the SOMALILAND case to strengthen its position and gain more and further weaken the Somalian argument by sitting down you set a presedent that is in my favour. So pirates and Moryaan keep dreaming this is bigger then you

malistar2012;967720 wrote: what about Fowsiyo Yusuf Xaaji native of somalilander? Somaliland north korea of Somalia.;/ Free the people sxb before you talk about recognition She is allowed she just has to quit her job and ask for a presedential pardon. Two points seem to really show how desperate they are to get a foot hold into SOMALILAND. Allow politicians to to enter, holding he talks in Hargaisa. They even excepted somali airspace I be controlled from Hargaisa. No Calsoni in their Ugandan protectorate and that is what shows true fragility.

Saxib its a waste of time... We should just focus on oil exploration and ganel entering SOMALILAND in 2014 and further development by the time we develop and purchase what we need we can start the games inside Somalia.

6. Approved the right of the Somaliland Government to be the sole arbiter of agreements for international investment in the area encompassing the Somaliland territory, including the exploration and exploitation of natural resources. Interesting

^^^ no need to complicate as lovely douvly you want what is there to gain in practicality absolutely nothing. Ethiopia with a population of 70 million growing fast is a better incentive for trade and military alliance. We were a state before Somalia even existed. We have the right to leave a voluntary union at any time we choose. We have lost nothing in the current status quo. Stronger year by year politically, financially and millitarily. Somali landers refuse to get there hands dirty inside Somalia but that's what is needed buffer zones and proxies inside Somalia. We need to fashion Somalia along our interests. Hassan will be gone tomorrow like all the others nothing new. If Somalia doesn't want us to leave we should use it as our bastion to enrich ourselves while keeping SOMALILAND different in the eyes of the world

Xaaji Xunjuf;967538 wrote: Dont be so hostile towards the people of Somalia , the people of Somalia and Somaliland are brothers sisters. A strong Somalia means a strong Somaliland , a strong Somaliland means a strong Somalia. In the future if we solve this issue there can be a natural union one of mutual interests and equality similar how the European cooperates on all fronts and are now closely to become a giant region to be reckoned with competing with china/ russia and America. But in order to reach that goal, Somaliland needs to be fully separated from Somalia with international recognition , in order for the bond to grow stronger between Somalia and Somaliland Djibouti can than join to. Somalia and Somaliland Djibouti can have the same defense policy have the same currency if needed in the future even introduce the same passport the National borders will eventually become artificial we will have real economic and political integeration.We can hold joint Parliament sessions, and even create a Somali Assembly consisting of Somalia Somaliland and Djibouti. This all can be achieved if Somalia and Somaliland agree to restore relations as people as countries as nations. But there can never be a union as the way the Koonfurians view it that Somaliland is a region of Somalia and that Koonfurians have the right to rule it and do as they like and that Somalilanders should abide their constitution no union based on jealousy hatred and Qabilism can ever exist not in this world. It has to be one of mutual interest and respect, i dont know ever if we Somalia and Somaliland can reach that point where we become a strong nation in the horn with similar cultural values language religion and can dominate the Horn economically politically. I dont know if this can be reached in my life time. War xaji horan ku shagay you are a liberal and an idealist. There is nothing legally binding SOMALILAND to Somalia. No act of union no reeferndum approved by landers. Not even history for that matter. For these people as a Ugandan trusteeship to be asking for union a forced one at that is unjust. SOMALILAND needs to up the anti we need further negotiating leverage. I say we create buffer zones inside Somalia starting with the pirates den and create a state in marka that can be used as a launch pad into mugdisho

See Somalia ma rabto inu furo SOMALILAND. What's her alternative Ugandan???

^^^ dead on arrival Saxib...Alxamdulilah. I'd rather live 1000 years without recognition then share a day or an inch with Somalians. Somalia is dead ashes to ashes and dust to dust Allah raxma....

SOMALILAND said: We want you to recognise our sovereignty based on the two states we were in 1960, pay us war damages, arrest all war criminals, each state to to keep what is theirs I.e we don't want anything from you you get siltch from us etc..... Ugandan protectorate can not dictate anything to anyone... Separation or status quo. They want to come to the holy land lol.

HARGEYSA (Somaliland.Org)-Wasiirka Madaxtooyadda Somaliland Mudane Xirsi Cali Xaaji Xasan, ayaa sheegay inay ajandaha shirka Istanbul ee wada hadalladda Somaliland iyo Soomaaliya ay geeyeen qodobo ka turjumaya masaalixda iyo danaha Somaliland isla markaana ay qaranka ay matalayaan u soo bandhigi doonaan inay difaacaan qadiyadda Somaliland. Wasiirku waxa uu sidaasi ku sheegay mar uu u waramayay saxaafadda isagoo ku sugan magaaladda Istanbuul ee dalka Turkiga oo ay maanta si rasmi ah uga furmeen is araggii afraad ee wada hadalladda Somaliland iyo Soomaaliya. Wasiirka Madaxtooyaddu waxa uu sheegay in ajandaha shirkan horyaalaa uu ka kooban yahay 10 qodob oo ay soo diyaariyeen guddi afar xubnood ka kooban oo isku dhaf ah. Md. Xirsi Cali Xaaji Xasan waxa uu taxay qodobadda ay ergaddii Somaliland ku guulaysteen in lagu darro ajandaha laga wada hadlayo, waxaanu yidhi “Shirkii saaka ayuu si fiican u furmay, waxa ajandaha samayntiisa loo saaray afar xubnood oo ka kala socday labada dhinac ee Somaliland iyo Soomaaliya, ajandihii aanu wadanay Somaliland ahaan iyo kuwii ay wateen Soomaaliya ayaa la isku keenay. Ka dibna dood badan ka dib toban qodob ayaa lagu heshiiyay oo ajande ah oo miiska yaala, ajandaha macnihiisu ma aha in lagu heshiiyay ee waa waxa miiska la soo dhigo.” Wasiirka Madaxtooyaddu waxa uu tafaasiil ka bixiyay ajandaha ay shirka soo hordhigeen ee ay wateen ergaddii reer Somaliland, isagoo arrintaasi iftiiminayayna waxa uu yidhi “Ajandihii annagu weftigii Reer Somaliland ka socday ay wateen waxa uu ahaa qodobka koowaad ee u horeeyay inay aqbalaan oo aqoonsadaan la soo noqoshadii madax-banaanidda iyo gooni isku taaga jamhuuriyadda Somaliland, qaranka Somaliland waxay gooni isu taagooda iyo madax-banaanidooda la soo noqdeen 1991-kii hase yeeshee waxaanu miiska keenay inay aqoonsadaan arrintaasi.” “Qoddobka labaad waxa uu ahaa inay ogolaadaan oo nidaamkeedii la mariyo wixii dhibaato loo geystay dal iyo dad reer Somaliland ee ka soo gaadhay taliskii kali taliska ahaa ee Maxamed Siyaad Barre, maadaama oo dalku ku burburay, dadkuna ku burbureen oo dhibaatadaas loo geystay oo dadkii dambiileyaasha ahaa ee dhibtaas geystayna sharciga la horkeeno ayaanu miiska shirkan soo dhignay,”ayuu yidhi Md. Xirsi Cali Xaaji Xasan. Wasiirka Madaxtooyaddu waxa uu intaas ku ladhay “Qodobka sadexaad ee aanu shirka soo dhignay waxa uu ahaa inta uu socdo wada hadalku inay ogolaadaan waxa la yidhaahdo (Defucto Stus) oo ah Somaliland aqoonsiga inta aanay gaadhin in la sameeyo nidaam ama hab lagu macaamilo oo macaamilo innagu dhex mari karto, sida imikaba dunida kale mucaamilo noocan oo kale ahi noo dhex marto haddii aanu Somaliland nahay.” “Waxa kale oo aanu miiska shirkan soo dhignay in muranka laga saaro arrinta khilaafka taagan ee maamulka hawadda Somaliland iyo in khayraadka dabiiciga ah oo isna lagu murmo in dhinacba wixiisa ILAAHAY u calfay qaadato. Annagu qodobadaas ayaanu miiska soo dhignay iyaguna arrimo kuwaas oo kale ah ayay soo dhigeen.”ayuu yidhi Wasiir Xirsi. Wasiirka Madaxtooyaddu waxa uu tilmaamay inuu rajaynayo in wada hadaladan guul iyo is faham laga gaadho, isagoo arrintaasi ka hadlayayna waxa uu yidhi “Waxaan rajaynayaa in wada hadalladan guul laga gaadho oo is faham ka yimaado oo daraf waliba guul ka gaadho.” “Dadka reer Somaliland waxaan ugu bushaaraynayaa wixii ay noo igmadeen ee ay noo dirteen inaanu inshaalaahu tacaalaa ku metali doono oo aanu geynay miiska, una soo gudbin doono wax u cuntama,”ayuu hadalkiisa ku soo gunaanaday Wasiir Xirsi.

Who will gain who will lose: by talking SOMALILAND equals its status with Somalia. It shows a problem exists hense why they are both their. Somalia on the other hand has nothing to negotiate with in terms of tangible incentives. They have recognition and that's it. SOMALILAND is just using the talks to increase its standing and world acknowledgment and to an extent that has worked. It can always wait for a more favourable government considering the rest have failed when the dust settles SOMALILAND will get stronger.

If I was to invest in mugdisho it would be land: if I could get the right papers for it I don't want anyone to come to me ad say its my land. Especially in business hubs like suqa that's we're the money is at

Cambuulo iyo bun;967372 wrote: Garoodi bro the city hasn't been this safe since the civil war started even during its worst days it was the financial hub of Somalia.. Mugdisho has a lot of prospect now I understand the situation is getting better Alxamdulilah. To add to gains made: you need more security home grown to fully secure development permanently. You also need to finish off judiciary to insure those who are investing are able to get their money in case anything happens I.e enforcement of contracts etc. keep going inshallah mugdisho will be back stronger then before you just have to focus on those key areas to see long term results.when people first returned to Hargaisa after it was destroyed court case after court case for 10 years on land. Then they focused on qaramayn nationalisation. Once you courts and security the rest will follow

The Turks have given up on Europe they see the wider Middle East and the Muslim world as the future of their cash flow. And in that Africa they only have one real opportunity in black Africa considering the British and French have their hands on the rest I.e the Somalians. We build you a parliament you give me access. However access to what is the million dollar question ???

Mashallah to mugdisho folk Lakin any investment should be built on sound security the better the security the more investment. I would never invest in mugdisho because of the situation in the future God knows. But as it is now seriously never maybe land but even then there is no proper court system or local government that can gurentee full rights to it.

warsamaale;967316 wrote: its consumption, consumption and more consumption without any production. the meager foreign exchange in the form of remittances and foreign aid they get is quickly repatriated. Yes it's all consumption: " frameborder="0" allowfullscreen> " frameborder="0" allowfullscreen> And many more across the country so we are making good progress