xiinfaniin;979447 wrote: GAROODI, how is Ceerigaabo? Why ask? You wanna shake hands with the mayor and post some pictures. Erigavo is very well..... All this beautiful land, soooooooo beautiful. I will send you pictures while you Continue shaking hands ciyarti Wayba damatay Saxib.

Xinn the simpleton. For you see xinn I couldn't care less if farole gives a speech in the men's toilet one day then shakes hands with the devil himself the next. As long as pirateville has been neutralised they can shake mahatma ghandis hand for all I care. It's truly sad the state of d block these days resorting to "I shock hands with this and that". Today xinn farole is a governer of 2.5 regions within Somalia. They have given up on challenging somaliland. Case closed.

^^ I'm usually on the go and type fast don't spell check when out and about. I never accused you of being an athiest it was just a general comment. As for my intellectual capacity being limited I think the same can be said for you severely limited at that. I don't make assumptions without solid evidence and you do.

I once met an athiest and I asked him: why don't you believe in God. He told me all my life I have seen nothing but pain, my parents are dead, my wife left me etc. He said to me if there is a God how can he do this to a good person. So you see most of the hate from atheists is from mans desire to reason like children. But this form of reason is wrong because God knows best. How can you reason with the master of reason who not only created You but everything for you. He created your parent and thus you and maybe it was better that your wife left you but you will only realise later in life. Like children....this concept of why leads them astray. Everything happens for a reason. Atheists hide behind science but their problems are really personal. They believe the existence of God limits them. People like Alshabab only harm the perception of Muslims and play into the atheists hand. Their arguments however are none sense. Islam was the very foundation of the science they hide behind.

Hobbesian_Brute;979357 wrote: Hobbs you wasted my time last time don't do it again saxib. Like I said you are dead and Barried read a few books come with some factual evidence then we can have a chat but now you have nothing to offer to this discussion

Wadani;979354 wrote: Abu Omar kulahaa...ma tuututada dhaxanta laga gashadaa? Walahi I don't know what to make of this it's confusing. How could someone come on international tv and justify killing people unarmed civilians and hope to benefit somehow...??? Alqeada I thought it didn't exist. Are these people muslims... ??? Like seriously can you be a Muslim and do this. It gets tiring turning on the news and seeing one lunatic after another talking about how it's Islamic to kill someone even though the night before they were in a night club or something. Study the religion properly this is xaaaaaaraaaaaaan

Japan times NAIROBI/JOHANNESBURG – The attack that killed 69 people in a Kenyan shopping mall over the weekend was the first regional operation undertaken by the new leadership of Somalia’s al-Shabab militants following a bloody power struggle. After months of pressure from African troops against the al-Qaida-linked group inside Somalia, Ahmed Godane, also known as Ahmed Abdi Aw-Mohamed, 34, seized control of the militants in a June fight that led to the death of several leaders. He’s pushed the movement to be more flexible, according to analysts such as Cedric Barnes, the regional director at the Brussels-based International Crisis Group. The U.S. in June offered a $7 million reward for information on his whereabouts. Al-Shabab is “different now,” Barnes said in an interview Monday from Nairobi. “It can move fast, it can change direction at will, it can especially do that now under the centralized and firm leadership of Godane.” In recent weeks, al-Shabab fighters have carried out several attacks, including a bombing at the Turkish Embassy in the capital, Mogadishu, the United Nations compound and Somalia’s airports. As many as 15 gunmen stormed the Westgate Mall in Kenya’s capital, Nairobi, on Saturday, after al-Shabab had vowed to strike East Africa’s biggest economy over the government’s decision to join the fight against its forces in neighboring Somalia in October 2011. Throwing hand grenades and spraying gunfire, the militants launched the deadliest attack in Kenya since the 1998 bombing of the U.S. Embassy. Kenyan security forces Monday said they gained control of the four-story mall, freeing hostages and killing three of the assailants. At least 63 people are missing, the Kenya Red Cross said Monday. Harakat al-Shabab al-Mujahedeen, which translates as the Movement of Jihadi Youth, sprung out of Somali’s Islamic Courts Union following its defeat in 2006 by troops from neighboring Ethiopia. With Somalia not having a functioning government since the ouster of dictator Mohamed Siad Barre in 1991, al-Shabab promised stability and gained control of most of Somalia’s south including parts of Mogadishu. Over the past two years, its fortunes have waned as the African Union’s 17,000-member force and a separate U.S.-backed Ethiopian expedition drove it out of major towns, including Mogadishu and the southern port town of Kismayo, where it earned revenue from taxation of trade. Among the Somali public, support for the group has also faded. About 160 of Somalia’s “most distinguished” religious scholars this month denounced al-Shabab, declaring it was “a religious duty” to turn them in to the authorities, according to Prime Minister Abdi Farah Shirdon Saaid. “This is unprecedented in Somalia’s history that a group of well-respected and internationally based and local scholars came together and declared a fatwa and denounced the organization, and said they were not speaking in the name of Islam,” Yusuf Hassan Abdi, a member of Kenya’s parliament with President Uhuru Kenyatta’s National Alliance party, said by phone from Nairobi. They lost support “because of their brutality, their excessive use of force, the execution of innocent people,” said Abdi, who uses a wheelchair after being injured in a December explosion outside a Nairobi mosque. Since his takeover, Godane has adopted a more radical agenda — vowing to enforce Shariah law across the world — and turned al-Shabab into a more hierarchical organization. The group has also abandoned what Matt Bryden, the director of Nairobi-based Sahan Research institute, called “the cult of the suicide bomber” and began staging operations requiring less sophisticated technology such as guns and grenades as were used at the Westgate Mall. “Within al-Shabaab, Godane is known to be a proponent of the transnationalist faction,” Austin, Texas-based Strategic Forecasting Inc. said in an emailed note Monday. “The weekend attack in Nairobi could bolster Godane’s leadership of the transnationalist faction within al-Shabaab, while at the same time demonstrating that the group has not been defeated and remains a potent guerrilla threat, despite losing significant territory.” The attack may also have been designed to provoke a violent response by Kenyans toward the roughly 1 million Somalis in the country, according to Kenneth Menkhaus, a political science professor at Davidson College in North Carolina. “If they succeed in provoking a backlash in Kenya — either heavy-handed policies by the government or uncontrolled vigilante justice of Kenyans against Somalia — they will be able to reframe the crisis in the region as Somalis against the foreigners,” Menkhaus, who has published more than 50 articles and book chapters on Somalia, said Monday.

Washington post: U.S. officials said the assault showed levels of determination and sophistication that are likely to prompt American intelligence and military officials to reexamine the threat posed by al-Shabab, a militant group that aligned itself with al-Qaeda last year. Even so, U.S. officials said the attack reveals more about al-Shabab’s shifting survival strategies than any success it has had recapturing its former strength. “They’re in much worse shape than they were a couple years ago,” said Rep. Adam B. Schiff (D-Calif.), a member of the House Intelligence Committee. “This may very well be an effort to send a message to the rest of the world that they’re still around, still violent. I think it also is an indication they fear for their survival if the [African Union] continues to press its campaign against them in Somalia.” Kenya is among the A.U. nations that have contributed forces to a U.S.-backed campaign that since 2011 has forced al-Shabab to retreat from the Somali capital, Mogadishu, as well as other strongholds, including Kismaayo, a port city that had been a source of millions of dollars in annual tax revenue. The losses have crippled al- Shabab as an insurgency. But analysts at the CIA and other agencies say the group’s retreat from its effort to impose Islamist rule may have prompted its leaders to divert remaining resources to plotting attacks against countries that sent troops to Somalia. “Al-Shabab’s operational arm may be benefiting from additional resources now that the group is less preoccupied with governance,” said an American official with access to classified U.S. intelligence on the Westgate attack. “It’s really too early to say if al-Shabab’s latest attack is the beginning of a broader campaign in Kenya or a desperate attempt to compel Nairobi to withdraw its troops from Somalia.” U.S. officials and counterterrorism experts noted that the mall assault was preceded by dozens of smaller-scale strikes in Kenya over the past two years, including attacks with grenades and small arms that targeted churches, nightclubs and bus stations. Many were focused in towns along the Kenya-Somalia border, but the campaign has included strikes in Mombasa and Nairobi. Al-Shabab has also attracted a small number of Kenyan fighters who support the group’s hard-line Islamist agenda. Among them was Ahmed Iman Ali, a former preacher who became a senior commander of al-Shabab in charge of the group’s non-Somali faction, according to an article published last year by the Combating Terrorism Center at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point. Before the Nairobi assault, the most recent large-scale attack by al-Shabab was in 2010, when more than 70 people were killed in the bombings of crowds watching a televised soccer match in Uganda, which has backed the multinational campaign against al-Shabab. The United States also has been deeply involved in that effort, providing military training to regional allies as well as intelligence gathered by the CIA and the National Security Agency. The U.S. military’s Joint Special Operations Command has carried out intermittent drone strikes and helicopter assaults against the group. U.S. concern about al-Shabab intensified as the group became aligned with al-Qaeda, whose most potent affiliate is based in Yemen, across the Gulf of Aden from Somalia. U.S. officials suspect that several dozen Somali Americans left the United States to join al-Shabab in the past five years, raising fears that some might seek to return to carry out attacks. Still, U.S. officials have recently characterized al-Shabab as primarily a regional menace. In congressional testimony this year, Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr. said al-Shabab would probably “remain focused on local and regional challenges” and “continue to plot attacks designed to weaken regional adversaries, including targeting U.S. and Western interests in East Africa.” Experts said that the Nairobi attack could help al-Shabab attract attention and financial support from sympathizers in Africa and the Middle East but that overall the group has been substantially degraded. The attack may help “bring in donations from radicals elsewhere and draw some recruits,” said Daniel Benjamin, a professor at Dartmouth University who previously served as the top counterterrorism official at the State Department. But, he said, “the fact is al-Shabab, at least compared with its own aspirations, is a shadow of its former self.” Julie Tate contributed to this report.

Deutsche Welle (German paper) Attacks on the up-scale Nairobi shopping mall has left at least 69 people dead and over 200 wounded. The Somali-based Islamist group al-Shabab has claimed responsibility for the killings. Analysts said the latest attacks in Kenya could further lead to the whole destabilization of the entire region. On Monday, the interior ministry said the fire in the mall had been contained, although plumes of smoke continued to dominate Nairobi's skyline as night fell. Deutsche Welle: al-Shabab has said it is behind the attacks on Nairobi's Westgate shopping centre in Kenya, what do you think was the motive of this attack? Guido Steinberg: Up to now we are not exactly sure who is behind these attacks. The perpetrators seem to be Kenyan based activists linked to the Somali al-Shabab. One can therefore conclude that the attack is supposed to put pressure on the Kenyan government to pull its troops out of Somalia. Since 2006 Kenya has stepped-up its crack-down on Islamist militants. In October 2011, Kenyan troops marched into Somalia and joined African Union troops, who had been in the country, to fight the al-Shabab. Since then, al-Shabab has experienced defeats. Was the choice of the place, aimed at attracting as much attention as possible? Yes it probably did. If they had chosen a shopping centre where mainly Kenyans shop, the attention given to the event would have also been great. But when you kill western citizens and there is a connection to Israel, you attract even more attention. That is the nature of Islamist terrorism. The anti-western orientation of al-Shabab probably also played a major role in choosing a location for the attack. We have to wait for more information as to whether al-Shabab had other partners in this, who are perhaps linked even closer to al-Qaeda? The attack is not the first in Kenya, but since 1998, it is the worst. What does that mean for the security situation in East Africa. Should we expect more of the Somali conflict to be exported across borders? Yes the attack is a clear indication that the Somalia conflict is expanding to its neighbouring countries. We had the first major indication with the 11th July 2010 attack during the football world cup finals at a rugby club and an Ethiopian restaurant in the Ugandan capital Kampala. The motives of al-Shabab, who staged that attack, were similar. The aim was to put pressure on Ugandan troops, who were already part of the African Union's peace-keeping troops in Somalia. Now we have a similar situation in Kenya and the escalation of terrorist violence in the country was to be expected. Why? For one, Somalia's conflict is anyway spilling over its borders into Kenya. There are a great number of Somali refugees in Kenya. We are seeing growing radicalization and the government is reacting with a heavy hand against Somalis living in Kenya. Secondly, there is the military intervention in Somalia. Such actions often lead to counter-actions and this case from the militant group. We have seen these methods by other groups in different conflict areas. Who supports the Islamists in Kenyan and the region? al-Shabab has managed to garner much sympathy in Kenya. There is a strong Islamist underground, which lives off the circumstance that, part of the Muslim population especially at the coast feel closer to the Arab world than to Africa. Moreover, the government only responds to Islamist radicalization with repressive measures. Is there no end in sight for Somalia's conflict, despite the advancement of the Somali government and the AU troops? Many observers believed that the calming down of the military situation in Somalia, the stabilization of the government and the weakening of al-Shabab, would result in a quieting of the situation. But this should generally not be expected in a situation where religious, social, cultural and political conflicts in the neighbouring countries remain unsolved. Such activities generally lead to groups like al-Shabab to look for alternative ways of continuing the battle. In Somalia, their chances are currently minimal. They are on defensive and have lost control of major towns in the south-east of the country. This is why they are now trying to fight their opponents with all possible means. This will probably lead to a further destabilization of the entire region. Dr. Guido Steinberg is a senior associate researcher at the German Institute for International and Security Affairs in Berlin.

xiinfaniin;979339 wrote: ^^ :D The thing is , your online bravado is out of touch with the realities on the ground. The robbery in Erigavo shall not stand I enjoy schooling you xinn. Your laughing at your own stup)ty. The man who argues printing fake money is not robbery but introducing government issued and controlled currency is robbery because of tribal bravado. With rivals like xinn, you start to understand why these guys always keep losing. Like I said masters of self mutilation. Your lot are their own worst enemies

These guys are seriously sick, they give Muslims a bad name. Even in Islam you have rules of engagement of which include your not allowed to attack women and children, poison wells or food, etc. What's worse is he speaks with a British accent. Kenya has no right to be in Somalia I agree. But never attack civilians.

xiinfaniin;979334 wrote: This is shame on SNM ---trying to rob H clans off their wealth in the name of rejecting the currency of a government they are in cahoots with. EDIT: from what I am hearing this so serious business between SL and PL could be impacted. Pirates print fake money and because of it there is high inflation in the city, this is the real robbery. How is giving people a solid currency they can exchange robbery......? Learn basic economics. Like always, defeated in kismayo. Giving speeches in toilets, protesting outside American fast food joints. Sad times for d block indeed. Like I said xiinnnn.... Mmmmmmmm....look at all this beautiful duriyada country.... No one gave it to me I took it back by force... Grow a pair and come or STFU

^^^ all your sentences are all in future tense key words being "will". Good luck on your independence struggle. Don't kill yourself if what happened 18 times before happens again. The only thing getting stronger is delusions of grandeur for a bunch of checkpoint rapests the Ugandans don't even take seriously. They are the first to run as soon as the bullets start. Haha... So many hopes and dreams. Ilahay ha ku sahlo aboowe heye nooooo.

Naxar Nugaaleed;979330 wrote: desert desert that, it least the North east has more then rocks Naxar nothing against you personally saxib. Your a good kid. It's just your fellow tribes men have perfected the art of self mutilation. Every single problem they have is self inflicted even the pirates. To much brouhaha and to little thought.

^^^ will that be before or after the Burundians accompany hassan shieck to the toilet.

Somalia;979197 wrote: Unlike some who have perpetuated violence and mayhem for the past 22 years (watch Black Hawk Down ), these people are conducting a non-violent protest. If anything they are a symbol of democracy while the ones condemning it are the opposite. One can disagree with their cause, but to label them speaks more of you. Khaatumo showed more support to this government than any other group, bar none. While a Maay person will condemn the government everyday and get his issues sorted out, these people are being cruelly condemned. If SFG wants to lose allies, it's up to them. Lastly, the secessionist cause, which is the most treacherous among them all is being given a rim job treatment by Hasan Sheikh, that is all that needs to be said about this government. 1 year in. Pirates....you've been relegated to persona non grata from the desert...Farole is giving another key note speech in the toilet while the dreaming fake dervishes protest outside an American diner

^^^ waxad ka reebtay cidamada isbaroyinka o kashanayay cidamada Burundi. Abowe runta Iska sheeg nooo

malistar2012;979275 wrote: They will get what they want with their Hands , I don't believe SSC clans want to settle for offer and Hand-outs by afro hashimis . Cambulo abowe Iska xoray Burundi noo marka no imooo noooo...

malistar2012;979168 wrote: Amisom is here to fight International war against terrorist sponsored by your uncle Godane . Whenyou say your gone speak for yourself .SNA will be stationed Talex the end of sessionits dream. Kkkkk waite until khatuum and villa Somalia negotiated. Like you even know were taleex is. Keep dreaming... Living under the boot Burundi. A slave threatening a free man. You and what army the Burundian forces or the checkpoint rapests. Stop embarrassing yourself you live in the world of "we will" I live in the world of "I can". Send your Burundians if you have the guts to do so. If Godane our toilet washer is the amir of the Islamic emirate of Somalia and has taken on 8 thousands Africans and checkpoint rapests you call an army what do you think tens of thousand godanes could do to your cambuloo eating @ss You better get your @ss outa there abowe. because you keep talking and threatening but still hide under Burundian tanks. Win your independence first. Lets leave the Somaliland Somalia war until you become independent. Call on SYL they will free you

^^^^ desperation at its finest. With or without recognition I'm gone. And we wouldn't be hosting thousands of women and children if we wanted to see you struggle. Our dream land is fact it's built in institutions, like an army, police force, etc. the man who lives in a dream land is the one who argues he has an army while burundi protects his capital and president. The one who is a modern day protectorate who hasn't seen peace for 23 years.

Kenya is weak. 4 days Alshabab have controlled the shopping centre. This will be a disaster for the safari tourists. What will Kenya do without tourism. Do you really think anyone will want to visit Nairobi??? This is an absolute disaster for Kenya which is exactly what Alshabab wanted just the other day I was watching the news they said their objective is economic stagnation or failure for Kenya. What will this mean for the Somalis in Kenya???

Alshabab still has control of the shopping centre. It's ether the terrorists are strong or Kenya is weak.

^^^ you gotta stop eating all that cambulo I think it's getting to your head. The only great thing hag ever produced was aided.malister how can u compare an army that stretches from the Djibouti border to the Somalia border without terrorism or piracy to some former rapests checkpoint militia. Our soldiers are well trained and they don't rape. Mugdisho is patrolled by Ugandan police. Your own government is protected by Ugandan troops. Yet you are saying you have an army. In the last 4 years we have been hearing "SNA accompanied by au forces" hahaha. Yet you have the audacity to threaten me while your girls get raped by au soldiers and checkpoint rapests. While you live under the protection of au forces. While au forces slap around your checkpoint rapests. The somaliland army is the best, well trained army today in the former somali republic. The distant in which they cover, control and maintain argues so. Try to have an au free mugdisho before challenging anyone. Man lives under protection and is threatening a free man hahaha You can hold as many flags as you want but understand this is your police force " frameborder="0" allowfullscreen> And this is your army Another independence struggle is needed me thinks we're is SYL.....??? Hahah

Malister we all await for the day you will be free and indepedent. I highly doubt you are capable of anything other then raping and looting. Your army has the worst track record in human history. As for our hopes, haha. Our hopes is in our state and if siad barre couldn't stop it I doubt some Ugandan supported former checkpoint rapests have a chance. Alshabab is not a threat to somaliland they are a threat to you. Their leader happens to be from Hargaisa but wasn't Dahir aweys and others the leaders before. It's funny to see you trivialise an entire movement because Of their leader. Train the rapests well and continue praying because they couldn't liberate a child from a park.

^^^ And they use live ammunition and even anti aircraft sometimes on people...