Another myth of the kacan debunked is: the kacaan argued that Richard corfield was helping landers who were British lackeys against the dervishes even though the bulk of the top commanders of the dervish were landers: "From July to December, 1912, the Dervishes had remained concentrated in the Gerrowei district; and the Ain Valley was left deserted not only by the Mullah's forces, but also by the lawful occupants, most of whom were afraid to return to this danger zone. Amir, the Mullah's uncle and emissary in the Og (onlf) country, spent this period of quiescence in obtaining supplies of food, clothing, and ammunition from Abyssinian sources. No reply to the Commissioner's suggestion for an armistice had been received, and there was no doubt that the Mullah was temporising to see whether the formation of the Camel Constabulary was a prelude to a Government expedition, as was generally rumoured. In December, however, he established a small party of 150 Dervishes at Ainabo, with instructions to win over the las canod folk to his cause. The various sections of the tribe were offered the return of all stock captured during the past three years if they would but join him ; and a reward of 100 camels would be made to any individual rifleman or horseman deserting to the haroun. The Mullah pointed out to the Las canod folk that they had been severely punished for their allegiance to an infidel Government which afforded them no real protection ; and they were advised to throw in their lot with their own kith and kin. If they declined these terms, they must step aside entirely and afford the Dervishes a free passage through the valley. One month he allowed for deliberation and upon their decision depended their future safety or destruction" The mad mullah of SOMALILAND by Douglas jardin

2 hag 2 landers and the Abdulle hassans mother are buried in taleex: the dervish but the kacaan made it appear to be a tribal movement. Cambulo we have been had Saxib. Hahah

Cambulo here is your sources and proof bro jut removed the tribal names but its a document so read it for yourself Author(s): W. A. MacFadyen Reviewed work(s):Source: The Geographical Journal, Vol. 78, No. 2 (Aug., 1931), pp. 125-128Published by: Blackwell Publishing on behalf of The Royal Geographical Society (with the Institute ofBritish Geographers)Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/1784443 . South of the main cave-well is the considerable tomb of 'Abdullah Hasan senior, well plastered inside and out; it is now said to be empty. Adjoining this on the west is a walled garden with massive gateway and guard-house; the rest ofthe wall is not more than 5 feet high and plastered. There are still odd bushes and signs of cultivation to be seen, but the comparatively deep well in the middle is dry. To the east lies a row of four tombs. The most northerly is that of one Soldan Nur of the (Lander) tribe; the next two, neither being plastered. and the first with the top left unfinished, are those of Hag notables whose names my Somalis did not know. The most southerly tomb is that of a man of the Lander tribe. The isolated tomb still farther east is that of 'AbdullahHasan's mother. All the tombs are provided with narrow but very massive wooden doors, swinging about vertical extensions from top and base of one side. A little east of Soldan Nur's tomb is a shallow nulla, seen as a dark line in the photograph, and known as Hed Kaldig, the Place of Blood. This was the execution ground where those to whom the Mullah had taken a dislike were shot, with or without torture. Had such anticipated trouble and escaped, any members of their families on whom hands could be laid, including women and children, are said to have been shot in their stead, and their bodies left for the hyaenas. After the capture of Taleh pious Somalis collected the quantities of human bones found hereabouts and gave them burial. However this may be there are no human bones about now. According to Jardine the R.A.F. bombed Taleh on 4 February 1920, and set fire to brushwood huts inside and outside Silsilat, but did little damage to the main structures, which is not surprising. The place was attacked by our tribal levies under Captain Gibb on the evening of February 9; 'Abdullah Hasan had already fled, and by the morning of the 10th the levies were in com? plete possession. A detachment of the Camel Corps remained for two or three weeks to demolish the fortifications. Dar Ilalo,Taleh, and Falat were severely damaged and made unusable, and the strong points fronting Silsilat were partly destroyed. Razing such a structure would have required much further work and explosives, so that a considerable part has been left with little damage. It will remain as a relic of that rather remarkable person its builder, the only Somali who has so far created substantial buildings in his country

Sultan Nuur was a lander sultan who is barried there he was the cofounder of the dervishes and died defending the fort and the British had a bounty on his head and the kacaan portrayed him as English friendly: when this document proves the mad mullah begged the British http://www.smi.uib.no/sa/06/6Kapteijns.pdf And the above is backed up with a letter sent In Oct/Nov 1900 sent to Hayse-Sadler the governer at the coast begging for help: (removed all tribal names) “The Gerad Ali Farah, the Sultan of the (las canod) made so bold as to send a message to the Consul-General to the effect that his old friendly relations with us remained unchanged although, owing to the evil influence of the Mullah, his orders were no longer obeyed by his tribe. For this act the Sultan was treacherously murdered by the Mullah's command ; and the bodies of the twelve principal sheikhs in the (las canod) country were seized.”

Cambuulo iyo bun;968651 wrote: do u got sources sxb????? This is a document on taleex village and who is barried there "A little east of Soldan Nur's tomb is a shallow nulla, seen as a dark line in the photograph, and known as Hed Kaldig, the Place of Blood. This was the execution ground where those to whom the Mullah had taken a dislike were shot, with or without torture. Had such anticipated trouble and escaped, any members of their families on whom hands could be laid, including women and children, are said to have been shot in their stead, and their bodies left for the hyaenas. After the capture of Taleh pious Somalis collected the quantities of human bones found hereabouts and gave them burial. However this may be there are no human bones about now" All references and documents are incorporated and backed up in the documents Saxib go through it

Cambuulo iyo bun;968649 wrote: I see cool!! The kacaan also manufactured some guy named Ismail Miire as the top general of the dervishes even though he was a mere stable boy and didn't see any war and lived generations after the dervishes battle. Saxib we have been duped big time.

Cambuulo iyo bun;968644 wrote: i wonder when the book is going to be finished it will be a interesting read Cambulo its coming out later this ear Saxib. Everyone should know history not kacaan history that's why Somalia is going around reporting. He doesn't want people knowing his clan fairy tale is all fake. Cambulo did you know two of the top dervish commanders were hag and are barried in taleex??? The hag did more for the dervishes then those the kacaan argue did? Haha

^^^ its history everyone should read it so go ahead and report it: hahah you don't want people to learn about how kacaan historians faked somali history. Hahah

On sol I often see names that are attributed to the dervishes: xinfinin (the mullahs horse) taleexi (the town the kacan historians believe was first used as a base) mad mullah etc. A Ramadan must read: who were the real dervishes: were where they formed: what were their objectives: who were the top commanders the kacan fairy tale has been exposed: fake history and how it was faked: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=6pvIrCYdmL8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen> 2 new books are set to be published and the below is the prelude to them: idaja and aw Jamac kacaan historian intellectual crimes against the somali people: exposed as frauds A 72 page thread highlighting how the kacan faked the dervish history making it a tribal movement:

Cambuulo iyo bun;968625 wrote: Maxad la oyasa NFd is better off with Kenya they would have had Burundians and African mercaneries running around there region. Look at Djibouti, somali Galbed and NFd all in better situation. SOMALILAND and Somalia Ayaba is arki Karin the last two. This is what happens when you share a state with people you have no history. We all Somalis but Walahi we might as well all be different races. Somaliweyn is dead good luck NFd.

Tallaabo;968627 wrote: This is good news if that oil wealth can benefit the locals but worrying at the same time because all the Bantus and Oromos will now move to NFD for job opportunities making the Somalis a minority group in their own land. If anything knowing Swahili government culture it has been ripe with curroption till this day. Look at the oil in the somali region of Ethiopia most of it is taken by the state only according them with the basics. Good luck to them inshallah they should try and hold on to as much as they can.

Che -Guevara;968621 wrote: When you have nothing to offer to your people, sell them war. Waran Cade is referring to self defence and as the interior minister when another country threatens your territory you have the right to prepare to defend yourself: as for nothing to offer che this is not Burundia this is SOMALILAND. The state itself offers a lot but the government primary responsibility is to defend and maintain the state: step 1.

LANDER;968546 wrote: ^ He has a point From what I read SOMALILAND was pushing for this the past 5 years. It was previously controlled via Nairobi. It's joint committee of three each based in Hargaisa as a temporary arrangement. We get our share and control our airspace. They control their airspace. The movement of politicians was rejected along with everything else and if mugdisho screws up it will still be in SOMALILAND. What sovereign state shares joint control of it airspace with what it sees as a province within Somalia?? To sign this is to admit to being equals. How can you be an equal of another authority and claim jurisdiction of all of Somalia ??? The way I see it in time it Strengthens Somalilands hands because it is more capable as a state then the state that argues to represent them in the international arena this will backfire on Somalia in the long run and benefit SOMALILAND.

Xaaji Xunjuf;968581 wrote: Classified mayaa reer budhcad badeed lama tol aha reer Khatumo, reer khatumo waxay la dhiig yihin the Afro Hashimiates War xaji ha ku Xiqin dadkan the whole baxbax land project is closing up. It went from "i control 6 regions because of my isir" to sneaking in ballot boxes into badhan hahah and buhoodle. Masakinta Iska daa waxba Umay hadhin. They now have Bari and nugaal which is a barran wasteland even they don't want to live their and half of mudug. Hag ba utaliya their wirst nightmare from now on (property of hag) No petrol, 2.5 state, no significance at all.

Tillamook;968515 wrote: ^ You haven't got a shred of evidence to back up such broad and meaningless generalizations. So go back to the drawing board and come up with something more substantive! Like I give a sh@t to prove anything to you. Don't make me laugh people in kismayo are not fighting to strengthen clan cause?? Haha carry on dreaming you idealist.

Tillamook;968512 wrote: ^ Which is precisely why it's not our clan system. Clannism led to the abuse of power and injustice, clanism led to the etempt to exterminate entire groups of people and reward others, clanism led to the death of millions across the nation and a civil war based on clanish interest, clanism led to the current kismayo issue and the permanent peralysis of the Somalian state. Without clanism or clanish agenda or clanish desires Somalis would not be in this mess. It will remain until we can create a structure to control it.

Part 2 of this baby kismayo comming soon

Haatu;968485 wrote: They are freedom fighters and Mujaahids. Plans are underway to place a technical captured from Bajaq (Huuraale) on a Taallo in Kismaayo's central roundabout. Your comparing a mig fighter jet by the strongest army in subsaharan Africa to hirale. Still emabarassed your army and government fell easily to 3000 rebels without kenyan soldiers. hirale is not done yet he is outside kismayo amassing men and weapons. Armies are heading down from all over south central Somalia and are surronding kismayo as we speak you still struggling to take kismayo with Kenyan assistance from the likes of a man who calls himself iftin bastooo hahah and you still joke. Loser syndrome waa DNA so Chirayn ah

Latest news on kismayo War Deg Deg Ah: Xaalada Kismaayo Oo Kacsan Iyo Ciidamo Badan Oo Duleedka Kismaayo Soo Gaaray Kismaayo ayaa saaka kacsan ka dib markii laga war haley in boqolaal ciidamo cusub ah oo kuwa dawlada federaalka ahi saacadihii la soo dhaafay gaareen duleedka Kismaayo iyagoo toos ugu biiray ciidamadii Col Bare Aadan Shire,waxaana Magaalada ka taagan xaalad cabsiyeed. Ciidamadan ayaa imaanaya xilli digniin kulul dawlada kiiniya ciidamadeeda loo jeediyey iyadoo lagu amray inaysan dagaallada ka socda Jubooyiinka ka qayb qaadan,waxaana la shaacinaya inay ciidamadasi hadda wadaan dhaqdhaqaaqyo ay dib ugu laabanayaan gudaha kismaayo. Ugu dambeyntii Jabhadda Raaskambooni ayaa la sheegaya inay difaacyo ka qoteen gudaha kismaayo iyadoo ka cabsi qaba in weeraro lagu qaado,waxaana wararku sheegayaan in waxgaradka kismaayo ka codsadeen inay kismaayo banankeeda difaac ka xirtaan isla markaasna shacabka dagaalka kala dhex baxaan,waxaana la sheegay inay arrintaasi ka biyo diideen. http://allgalgaduud.com/?p=12963

^^^ in terms of strategy siad barre had no idea what he was doing. He aligned with the Soviet Union then the U.S.A. Then lost both to Ethiopia. He had no actual sincere communist beliefs he just wanted to see how much he could get. Ethiopia had a strategy the only reason why the Somali Republic lost to Ethiopia is because of the mistakes made in aligning wither powers and poor international relations with other countries particularly the soviet communist block. It was so bad yemen supported Ethiopia in that war.

Tallaabo;968468 wrote: And the Raaskambooni militia in Kismaayo are? They are assistant peace keepers lool.

Somalia;968466 wrote: There. Is! You reap what you sow, in the somali context your lot I feel sorry for the most no actual power base of significance and you set the presedent in motion for all this to happen from day one ony to become the victim decades later. Had you lot been genuine from day one none of this would have happened we would all be united in a single state living happily. But in history there are no returns. Someone has to win and until then unfortunately it will continue.

^^^ SOMALILAND is a multiparty democracy one man one vote that has held many elections, has regional and local governments all without mr Burundi and mr Uganda. The day you achieve that you can boast but before that in the eyes of logic you are beneath their system. In the 21st century you are a UN trusteeship In all but name and you are ordered and pushed around by third world African states. Your own president bought his presidency on a flawed 4.5 tribalist system so who are you to lecture SOMALILAND.

^^^ he was just in naiborbi the other day talking about somaliweyn to the khatumo crew Saxib this is fake news. It would be best if all somalilanders could live in one state and work together but Cali Galayd hasn't sucked enough blood yet. I highly doubt this is the case Galayd would have o resign his Somalian parliament seat before coming but its his country he is more then welcome.

Naxar Nugaaleed;968427 wrote: Somali only supported one rebel group for a nation seven times its size. The etopidiots made ten for a nation 7 times smaller lol From what I read the Somalian and Ethiopian governments equally supported the same amount of rebel movement give or take a few. The ssdf was the first and it was the biggest flop in the history of rebelian they ended up surrendering even though they had new weaponry from Ethiopia and this is the time Abdullahi Yusuf stuck a xabashi flag on somali soil. The somali government supported the og people in Ethiopia. After the failure of ssdf. SNM movement based in Ethiopia at the time asked for arms. They only received light arms an petrol. Once the SNM had taken control of what was then the north. State collapse allowed southern rebels to pick up arms government arms not ethiopian because by then Ethiopia ad Somalia had a treaty not to support rebel forces in Ethier country