Wadani;973183 wrote: Actually the wars of Durriyad expansion started in the 1700's, predating colonialism and the Daraawiish. It was around that period. From the coast of Sanag to the deep interior of Ethiopia and now the eastern regions. The dervish heads were all all landers and expansion had nothing to do with the dervish wars or colonialism it started before that.

Farhareri;973128 wrote: Garoodi That's good you toned down on the lies now as I've clarified a few things you were lying about. Don't try to make it seem like you were debating whether SL or PL controls the districts and towns I mentioned because you weren't! You were saying I.door live there and I.door live there and now you are saying SL controls there and there after I busted your lies. Nin baad isleedahay dhulkiisaad ka taqaana? Bal caqli xumada eega If you knew the slightest bit about the Xudun district you would know where Bohol, Ceel la helay and Sabowanaag are located, (Far north western corner) those three towns are less than 20 km away from each other. Hanooga dhigin as if Xudun is a shared town. You mentioned Qorilugud again when I clearly said in my first post that Cayn is entirely a dhulos deegaan apart from coodanle and qorilugud who again are on the far north western corner of that district! I will post the maps of those two districts later. You busted my lies?? Sad, seriously sad? I don't see anything you busted because the truth can not be busted. If you look back and read my posts which I doubt you even did. You will see who was lieing and who was not. Mr sool Sanag and cayn hahaha. Sanag you have no presence in. sool duriyada controls almost half of the land and outnumber the las canod population in what is supposedly their exclusive region not to mention buhoodle. Qorilugud is western buhoodle and it is duriyada territory. So you are not exclusive there. In sool you are not exclusive like I have shown you with video evidence. Seeing you don't have a single province exclusively then why talk so much bu()shit f@gash boy. Not one region exclusive Lakin eveywhere waxay la tagan yihin SSC sool Sanag and cayn hahah. I'm still waiting on your video evidence or statistics??? Do you have anything ? See how you busted my lies. Mr bu))shit.

Taleexi;973118 wrote: Had you only knew that I was in prison at the age of 14/15 for what I perceived then was unjust when the military government was in power and your people were under siege. My Izak friends are in SL government I tell them the same thing if consistence means anything to you. Additionally, may Allah safe you from your sickness and monolithic view of the chronicle of recent Somalia. Dislodging and depriving their inalienable rights the indigenous people of Cayn, Sool and Sanaag mean nothing in your books and you want me to accept selective justice - I guess you are lecturing the wrong guy. The shallowness of your argument is unparalleled, the fallacy of it an elementary child can decipher but you still refuse to accept its weaknesses; I didn't know that arrogance and ignorance can live in one's heart at the same time, but you prove me wrong. These so called Garaads' you talk about formed unanimously what is known Khatumo State. And whatever of iota of legitimacy that this in-proportionately advertised Borama Conference may contain the ladder conference of Khatumo prevails and overrides. Hence if Somalia is divisible your so called "SL" is also divisible - After all we are a nation of clans. The shallowness of my argument, I'm still curious is? And how is the Borama conference selective justice? An entire people's meet and discuss their futures and agree on terms and act on it. Then out of the blue one section says it never happened when it did? Ironically is the same section that created the bulk of the problems. Are we to hold SOMALILAND hostage for you? In regards spending time in jail at the age of 1415 that is between you and your maker. I can not verify any of it. If true you were an exception and if your people thought like you I think much of today's problems would not exist. In all honousty we agreed to forgive and forget and swore before God on the agreed terms. How is this selective justice from our side? The reality is we are closer to each other then the pirates in culture, history and daqan. Somalia even under siad barre did not drill one well for las canod. All reason would dictate you leave tribalism aside. The same tribalism that created the civil war and left your people in their present state. Walahi I have nothing against your people except history forging, the crimes of the civil war but we forgave and forgot and your extreme anti duriyada bulls)t from young and old. I don't know about some of you but many las canod folk who are closely aligned to SOMALILAND and live in SOMALILAND. You should go home and speak to your kinsmen in SOMALILAND other then the few hiding out in taleex the rest are happy. If not wait for the pirates who hate you and will offer you nothing or mugdisho which doesn't even know we're las canod is located. Create a new chapter ask God for forgiveness and return home to your people You said you have minister friends. Take a flight and head back home and then come back and tell us what you learnt and saw. Speak to your people. And in the words of samatar you will return saying "SOMALILAND wa daabb"

Somalia;973100 wrote: That's what I told you, we are back to square 1. In fact, listen to the video you posted, around 1:10, the man who is speaking needs help to say who the hell he is welcoming. Anyway, it's a tiresome game, I explained it. If you look back on the forum I posted Videos of Somalilands army in all the villages you mentioned. Some are not duriyadas territory but rest assured although not duriyadas territory they all fall within SOMALILAND. Case in point the failure of baxbaxland to hold elections there.

Somalia;973094 wrote: Suldaan Siciid Suldaan Cabdisalaan's seat of Hadaaftimo is controlled by Somaliland, the man who opened Puntland's constitutional conference, haye. Walahi dadkan wa masakin over the next few years if you retain bosaso ad garowe it will be a miracle.

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Video.... You guys have no clue what you talk about ever Walahi...

Gar_maqaate;973073 wrote: The mendacity of these people is truely boundless. they are so brazen with their lies that it is straight out of the “big lie” tactic of Joseph Goebbel's. A tactic in which a lie, no matter how outrageous, is repeated often enough that it will eventually be accepted as truth. This kid wants to convince us about the existence of Document(s) declaring somaliland's independence, in which people were signatories to. This is what happens when children are subjected and indoctrinated with tribal propaganda. This is a form of child abuse that these people should be emancipated from it. Allow me to in form you and to liberate you mind, my dear brother GAROODI. There is no DOCUMENT on PAPER, on VISUAL or AUDIO format, which somaliland's "declaration of independence" is signed by anyone from SSC or in part of Northen Somalia for that matter. That document does not exist, has never existed and will never exist. i challenge any here or any where else for that matter to produce that document. There is better chance of a Morman producing joseph smith's golden tablets than a lander producing that document. Walahi I feel so sorry for your people they have been so mind f?cked its sad Walahi. Waxanu nahay dervish bulls(it which has been proven to be wrong Lakin still you go around spewing the same garbage. As for Somalilands dissolving the union with Somalia your chief Garad is a signatory to that legal document as seen below: Below is the written agreement: terms agreed upon and signatories: 1. In Woqooyi gaar isu taago oo aan la raacin Koonfur 2. In lagu dhaqmo shareecada Islaamka 3. In la sugo nabadgelyada Woqooyi 4. In si dhakhso ah loo dhiso dawlad Woqooyi 5. In golayaasha ururka iyo dawladda si caddaalad ah loogu qaybiyo Beelaha Woqooyi 6. Arrinta nabadgelyada Sanaag in si gaar ah wax looga qabto, loona saaro guddi gaar ah. Magacyadii Guurtida saxeexday gooni-isu-taagga Somaliland ee ku qornayd warqaddii xambaarsanayd go’aanka la soo noqoshada madax-bannaanida waddanku waxay kala ahaayeen toddoba iyo toban qof oo uu weheliyo Xoghayihii Shirku, kuwaas oo kala ahaa Sheekh Ibraahin Sheekh Yuusuf Sheekh Madar, Guddoomiye Suldaan Maxamed Suldaan Faarax Suldaan Cabdi Sheekh Maxamed Suldaan Maxamed Suldaan C/Qaadir Suldaan Yuusuf Suldaan Xirsi Suldaan Saxardiid Suldaan Diiriye Suldaan Ismaaciil Muuse Suldaan Rashiid Suldaan Cali Suldaan Ismaaciil Suldaan Maxamuud Axmed Sheekh Saalax Sheekh Daahir Xaaji Xasan Axmed Xirsi Cawl Suldaan Maxamed Jaamac Xasan Cumar Samatar Maxamed Warsame Shiil Garaad C/Qani Garaad Jaamac iyo Suldaan Cali Muuse iyo Xaaji Aadan Axmed Diiriye (Baradho) oo ahaa Xoghayaha Shirkaasi

Gar_maqaate;973070 wrote: Sxb, I am not offend by any of the obnoxious and unfouded lies peddle by men with reasoning capacity juvenile delinquents. I am more concerned by the fact that you people are subtracting from the common knowledge each time one of you speaks. If one substracts from your common knowledge every time then it shows how little you really know.

Gar_maqaate;973067 wrote: GAROODI, listen buddy, you are either a child, insane or just plainly simple. whatever, the case i have no time for imbecility nor do i want hear an iteration of your tribe's historical concoctions and manuel self stimulations. It seem you have no statistics and no proof after all. Saxib benta Iska daya. Sanag wa SOMALILAND I have shown you military outpost in every town in Sanag. Western Sanag and erigavo and a huge chunk of it is duriyadas territory. The rest belongs to others who are also part of SOMALILAND. In sool from north to south xudun, bohol, oog and caynabo is in part duriyada territory or shared. In buhoodle one step outside the town your in duriyada territory western buhoodle. I have shown you the video. Qabil is one thing and how people live but as a state from las canod to loa ado is the domain of the republic of SOMALILAND. Not because Burundi says so but because the SOMALILAND army says so and its people. No need to insult anyone, no need to get emotional. Benta Iska daya. We are all signatories to SOMALILAND and swore before God therefore we all have to meet our obligations. Stop lieing about history and get out of your self created bubble so we can develop Sool together

Still no statistics just more talking: I asked for reliable statistics or video evidence to back up your argument: the old this is this is no longer viable. Case in point xudun district is shared not entirely las canod folk. Another case in point buhoodle district is not only buhoodle town. Outside buhoodle town you have shared if not exclusive settlements that belong to duriyada. That's why I asked for statistics or videos. Look back at the forum I posted them for you to see now show me videos. Xudun: is not exclusive: Qoriluqud falls within the buhoodle region: again not exclusive to one clan Not to mention oog, etc Do you have videos or statistics because anyone can write anything

^^^^ wa sheko ku daftay. Care to show us were you got the statistics from I.e 90%. I think we proved f@gash boy that Sanag and Sool is first SOMALILAND territory but secondly sool is more diverse then people like you would like to admit. We have showed you video evidence of duriyadas reach in sool forget Sanag because Sanag without doubt is fully SOMALILAND territory. Care to show us video evidence or credible statisics from a source with all the land your claiming anyone can write anything.

Taleexi;973044 wrote: Garoodi, I think u either didn't get it or you are still programmed figure. Alpha, as long as your lot claim others' territories and they still think is the right think to do - Your argument remains tasteless. Taleexi may God help you and your people. You have no idea what your talking about. No one is claiming your land. We all know we're your people live. Our people live together in sool, buhoodle and Sanag. Your clan is not the only clan in sool. Like I said we all mutually agreed on SOMALILAND through consensus. We all swore before God to work together and form our state. Your people claimed other people's land. Your people used the weapons of siad barre and committed war crimes. Your people were the ones who niavely thought they could replace a permanent population. SOMALILAND its people, its army or the the state has done nothing to your people accept fulfill what we all mutually agreed on in 1991. So don't tell me we are claiming other people's land. When your people were shaking their @sses for siad barre what were you doing? We both know SOMALILAND showed mercy and Maturity in forgiving your people yet still till this day nothing but kibir and because of that you remain in limbo and mark my words will remain in limbo while the rest of the country moves forward and develops. "Somalian Rabna" waa bullsh:t you still after what broke your back in the first place. Understand SOMALILAND will not give a single inch and God knows your clan chieftiens gave her the right to do so.

Tonights race.....Somali on top of the sports world. Ethiopia eating our dust. So what is the mo Farah foundation? We beat Ethiopia and Kenya at their own sport

Haatu;972972 wrote: The Mogadishu government is sadly just that, a Mogadishu Government. Is SNM/Somaliland want independence, I say go idinka iyo Ilaaheygiin but don't claim other clan's territory as part of your clan project. I genuinely wouldn't like it and would advice you lot to stay as you are until a proper Somali government comes and then make a deal with them as I don't believe Independence will solve anything but if you guys seriously believe that is the best way forward then goodbye and good luck, but just stick to your lands. This is a SOMALILAND on SOMALILAND debate sejuis should focus on Kenya you are not part of Somalia or SOMALILAND

Taleexi;973000 wrote: Alpha, I'm just an individual exercising the same right of which you abused its universality and assume is a byproduct of yours alone. I quote you " I suppose you're off the view that tribal identity is more important than national identity, maha? " - Far from it, this is a classical scenario where The pot is calling the kettle black . Either we accept each other or remain in this endless cycle of violence. The choice is ours. My point exactly we agreed on SOMALILAND in 1991 and ended the union together so why oppose the agreed on terms that we all collectively agreed on? And go around lieing saying you never agreed when you did? And when was the last time you were in las canod ? You were born in merca Somalia. Have you even been to SOMALILAND?

Taleexi;972988 wrote: Garoodi - Ones the macros in your brain become obsolete we shall carry on these conversations further! They say when someone resorts to name calling they have lost the argument. Case in point taleexi response.

Taleexi what's with the lies Lakin. Except the fact that your folk are signatories to the end of the union. Your people are signatories of SOMALILAND no one forced you. Your heads go around saying the opposite is true as shown. Somalilands claims over las canod and buhoodle is legally justified not to mention that sool is not the exclusive realm of one clan Neither is Sanag. With that said understand from a legal perspective one has to look at the state of Somaliland as a whole without bias. No one can say SOMALILAND does not have sovereignty over all of its territory.

The representative of the las canod folk in the meetings and a signatory to the legal document that ended the Somaliland Somalia union.

Saalax;972890 wrote: Lol you're being refused to have Jubbaland and you're dreaming of leading Somalia. I don't think we will see a D president for a long time . Villa Somalia has became a HAG playground. Because kismayo is not theirs and eventually Kenya will leave. Somalia is the domain of hag from here on end. Because hag is unified and if they can secure mugdisho and keep good relations with other small tribes then its the rise of the hag dominion. As soon as Hobyo port is built bosaso port will dry up. Since mugdisho opened business has shrunk. Instability, piracy and lack of democratisation will also see aid dry up as well. Since landers don't care of Somalia d block will get number two but they will use the same formula as Hassan shieck some yes man lol. Who does as he is told

Carafaat;972889 wrote: +1 Absolutely, with recongnition comes foreign influences and interference in domestic issues. few African countries are strong enough to resist the foreign cultural, economic and political influences. Its been a blessing for Somaliland to develop its own model and in its own pace. I have to agree with these guys. Recognition is not bad but in reality what do we need it for. We have the largest standing somali army. We control our borders, air and sea. We are developing at a good rate, developed our own system of governance and live under our flag in peace. We have good relations with the world and our naibours except Somalia. We trade with world and the world trades with us. We have our own development aid given to us directly. Recognition or the persuit of it keeps us unified to achieve an objective but we are a state in every aspect we know that, Somalia knows that and the pirates know that. Lets continue to develop our army, keep expanding east. Get the oil develop our industries, cities and army. Lets create a buffer zone inside Somalia and if worst comes to worst when we are good and ready We can colonise Somalia itself if we want. Who will stop us burundi???? Recognition will limit us: we would have to respect Somalia territory. We might need more land in the future. Without recognition the world will say nothing. We need more living space and bargaining chips.

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The man has given up hope. From day one he should have held a somali conference today it's to late with the level of fragmentation it's futile. I still think the best strategy for Hassan shieck to follow is the hag strategy. Focus on three objectives regardless of being tarnished with a clan brush or not. Step one mugdisho. I still don't know why it's taking so Long to pacify an f"n city with 8000 Burundians. Pacify mugdisho. Build more police stations, set up reward schemes on Alshabab heads. Hold naibourhood watch meetings. More police in all the naibourhoods. Pay police on time etc. step two hag regional government that stretches from Galkacyo to the Kenyan border. This is achievable. And three the removal of Kenya out of Somalia and taking back kismayo for its people. If I was in his shoes that's what I would focus on regardless of being a hag president. He who controls mugdisho unquestioned controls south Somalia. Don't put to much emphasis on makin peace with pirates. They hate you because of what you are I.e hag that's why they run to Kenya instead of mugdisho. So focus on you. Simple

Cambuulo iyo bun;972784 wrote: D-block conspiracy theory Rofl They think everyone thinks like them hense why they are always suspicious of others lol.