she doesn't look somali, maybe a mix with another race.

This is surreal, even after AS people still romanticize about Islamic judicial system ?:confused:

I think kenya should just go ahead and annex the whole of Jubbaland.

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what comes to mind is maah maah " habar fadhisa lagdani lafududaa". no pun intended.

Haatu;971872 wrote: I'm a believer in Islam not democracy and other 21st century nonsense. The two are mutually exclusive in other words, we knew it, but thanks for the confirmation. Haatu;971872 wrote: Slavery is technically halal in Islam but.... say I am for it or against it, no fence sitting please. Haatu;971872 wrote: there's a lot of incentives in Islam that discourage it. Baloney, Islam orders you to make war on peaceful people and enslave them, how could it possibly discourage it ?? Haatu;971872 wrote: The scholars mention a few reasons why it wasn't banned outright but this is not a subject that I know much about. The chief reason being Muslims' aversion to work, why kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. Jizya extortion completes islamic economics. Haatu;971872 wrote: The caliphs attacked neighbors so that the word of Allah may be utmost. What a puerile mindset!

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with the primitive building standards and complete lack of quality control, who is brave enough to risk their lives in Somali built apartments ?

Haatu;971789 wrote: Just a few points. If someone wants to come up with a claim (i.e. this verse has been abrogated), he has to come with a reliable proof also. The Taliban are khawrij (one of the 72 sects of the hell fire) also called the Kallaabun-Naar (dogs of the hell fire) and the 'state' they founded in Afghanistan cannot be considered an Islamic state. No modern nation in this world truly rules by the shariica as the rightly guided Caliphs did. However, the closest state is Saudi Arabia which at least implements the shariah as it's law . ...and is the Saudi system something to write home about ?. The shariica of the rightly guided caliphs would make the current Saudi system look like a Jeffersonian democracy by contrast, at least now the west and the international media keeps them in check. the caliphs owned slaves and regularly assaulted them and it was perfectly legal. are you OK with that ?. The caliphs would attack their non Muslims neighbors and take their women as sex slaves, again Xalaal, can you accept that today ? Be careful what you wish for, the sharia was set for a different age when basic notions of human rights and dignity didn't exist. we are in the 21st century.

...and the context for the first verse he quoted was specific to Hudaibiyah . Gar Maqaatow gar qaado.

I think someone needs to debunk this myth that the ICU period was a Golden age severely.

Thanks Mr. cambuulo.

, Muslims always point to these two stories, supposedly to show the fairness of Islam and it egalitarian nature. what does the Qur'an order ?

Somali economics is weird. houses prices for a war torn city higher than tokyo, new york or london ??:confused:

fascinating debate, will have to do some research myself before contributing.

^ is this a real house or a rendering ? fantastic colors.

Mad_Mullah;971432 wrote: Having large families has nothing to do with only some surviving or that nonsense. It's culture. Even in the west we have large families. Whether they're well off or not. is it a good thing in your opinion ?

So why are relatively well off urban somalis still having large families ?

Somalia is not Mogadishu only. Huge mistake, not even one project outside the capital.

Gar_maqaate;971223 wrote: ^^ It is not much of a mystery to see your opinions and criticism of Islam originate from. It is all in the name, Hobbesian_brute is it? :confused: i just picked that name as joke, don't read too much into a moniker. Gar_maqaate;971223 wrote: You parade around the forum as if you are an emancipated intellectual preaching to a herd of unfortunate, stupefied, brainwashed peasants who need rescuing from Islam. But nothing could be further from the truth. There is nothing logical or rational about your opinions, it is nothing more than a tedious repetitions of the lies propagated by a wacky and insane coalition of Christians zealots, racists bigots, atheists and recently enlightened Muslims like yourself. How did i parade around this forum ? i have only posted on this particular topic at length since i joined. your entitled to your opinions if you think am not rational or logical. I am also entitled to mine, so don't feel threatened when i exercise them. Gar_maqaate;971223 wrote: Let me state from the outset, there is nothing wrong with critiquing Islam but the criticisms have be valid and constructive and not a placket condemnation of Islam and muslims. Good for you. Gar_maqaate;971223 wrote: So my advice to you Hobbesian_ brute, it takes a lot more than reading view books and blogs to be rational and logical , you need to stop with these repetitive slogans and anti Islam smears and to start thinking for yourself. We will then take your criticisms of Islam seriously. I agree.

MoonLight1;971214 wrote: I like when first year uni kids come with their book one confused atheism philosophy to SOL thinking they have something new and tangible story to tell us. corrections here, i finished uni ages ago, not an atheist, Naipaul is novelist not philosopher. MoonLight1;971214 wrote: I like the way you are backtracking from the notion of "Islam is in decline" to "yeah its not in decline" population wise at least, not realising the next world wars will be about three things, water, energy, and population. look at china, it's becoming "the" world's first superpower" thanks to its economic growth and population power . while the west is dying of old age, muslims are experiencing a young population explosion which will be a plus for future developments. Muslims are not china, they don't have the industry, skills and work ethic. one billion beggars will still be one billion beggars.:cool: MoonLight1;971214 wrote: wakeup guys, it's not only simple Indian peasants, or humble African tribal people converting, but well educated blue eyed westerns who saw the truth and are a big asset for this Ummah. :eek: :eek: :eek:, no comment here. MoonLight1;971214 wrote: oh yeah, give us a break man, don't insult our intelligence, without US and Nato's logistical, financial, and moral support, Israel wouldn't last a week, just read what the western intellectuals wrote about the 2006 war with Hezbollah and I believe your too young or too naive to read about the 1973 arab war, I would advice you to read Kissinger's biography where you'll learn who won the war for Israel . israel and nato have no connection. nice job sidetracking the debate.

Sorry i could not respond to you as i have the same issue as you. You have to understand apologists have 2 classic excuses for islamic failure: 1. blame western conspiracies for their shortcomings and incompetence. 2. claim islamists didn't have enough time at the helm. you see AS didn't have enough time to enact the islamic utopia envisioned by muslims because infidels plotted their downfall and jewish controlled media besmirched their good name. These are not rational or serious people.

your not even a real Muslim but what V.S Naipaul referred to as " converted peoples ". your too uppity for a non Arab Muslim, pump your brakes. Islam can be the fastest growing and largest population, but that doesn't equal progress, strength or prosperity, its overpopulation as consequence of their backwardness and ignorance of contraception. if tiny israel of 7 million keeps at bay close to half a billion arabs, that shows numerical superiority amounts to nothing. Islam is salvation, death is life, war is peace, poverty is prosperity; what is wrong with these lines ?? :cool:

you're gonna have to write more than one sentence for me to get your thoughts my friend, be clear.