Question 2: If the Ethiopian gov't is so scared as alleged in the post, why did they cancel the talks...doesn't sound to me like a scared person :cool:

I am completely ignorant of Ethiopian politics so bear with me and be patient. I have never understood the "O" part...how about all those others living in the Kililka who are not Owgarden or Speke's spelling Ugahden - how do you plan to mobilize them behind a clan name given the famous Somali pride of belonging? Nothing against the clan, they are my abtis...

Apophis;983288 wrote: Reer Tanzania should go home instead of dancing and claiming Jubboyinka or any other Somali territory. That is a very small percentage; what will you do the autochthonous ones?

Hawdian;983295 wrote: . Interesting I remember some of them going back to their TananiZa and being given citizenship and land a couple years back. The land is big enough for all clans living there ee la qeybsada . Wazigwa is their name, a good number went back and were given land and re-integrated into Tanzania. I made a very good friend from one of them!

Mareer, garas, dimbiriq, geestoow, babac, diinkax...all edible wild fruits, berries and rhizomes.

Mad_Mullah;983013 wrote: People need to ask themselves why this doesn't happen in Bosaso or Hargeisa but HAG majority xamr. This happens everywhere there are Bantu people, who happen to be the majority of Africans, from East and Central Africa, all the way to southern Africa. Think Kenya, Uganda, DR Congo, Tanzania (Nyamnwezi etc), Malawi (Chewa), Zambia (Bemba), Zimbabwe (Shona, Ndebele, etc), Mozambique, Botswana, all the way to South Africa (Xhosa, Zulu, etc) Nomadic people like Somalis and even other pastoralists like the Maasai, Samburu etc dance from the navel upwards, other Africans like the Bantu dance from the navel downwards...

Now compare with a "nomadic" dance like the Maasai of Kenya and Tanzania Nothing moves below the navel....

Saalax;983062 wrote: Mad_Mullah That is why I am anti immigration to our land from outsiders. We don't want bachi baza in our culture, even niiko is considered ceeb and looked down on in Somaliland. Niiko is considered ceeb by many Somalis because it is not in their culture, it is seen as inappropriate and sexually suggestive. But we can't force other Africans to agree with what Somalis consider to be "appropriate" can we? It looks like non-Somali muslim Bantus in East Africa have retained this culture despite centuries of Islamization, just check out this video from Zanzibar....

Mad_Mullah;983013 wrote: People need to ask themselves why this doesn't happen in Bosaso or Hargeisa but HAG majority xamr. This happens everywhere there are Bantu people, who happen to be the majority of Africans, from East and Central Africa, all the way to southern Africa. Think Kenya, Uganda, DR Congo, Tanzania (Nyamnwezi etc), Malawi (Chewa), Zambia (Bemba), Zimbabwe (Shona, Ndebele, etc), Mozambique, Botswana, all the way to South Africa (Xhosa, Zulu, etc) Nomadic people like Somalis and even other pastoralists like the Maasai, Samburu etc dance from the navel upwards, other Africans like the Bantu dance from the navel downwards...

milky things... how is golmud different from garoor?

milky things... how is golmud different from garoor?

Haatu;982781 wrote: Nuune is a closeted (qabiil-wise) Bull you see so it irritates him I am the official SOL Bull spokesman. Xoogaahoo ii daa far kulul baan ku haayaa'e I might be a closet Mark-a-Bull myself, you never know :cool: I agree in laga daayo aflagaado abtigeey Affey, but agree with nuune that there are other more illustrious long-foot sons and daughters who deserve some applause...including one Sofia Abdi of the anti-FGM fame...

Wadani;982799 wrote: I've been doubting he's even OG ever since he told me he's never heard of sand-dwellers. Why would all OGs know about sand-dwellers unless you are from dhegaxbuur iyo wax la mid ah...NFD OGs would probably know the general !Selector group and not the habar this and habar that sub-sub divisions, much less sand-dwellers...

Wadani;982799 wrote: I've been doubting he's even OG ever since he told me he's never heard of sand-dwellers. Why would all OGs know about sand-dwellers unless you are from degaxbuur iyo wax la mid ah...NFD OGs would probably know the general !Selector group and not the habar this and habar that, much less sand-dwellers...

Haatu;982767 wrote: Abti, humour really isn't your thing is it? Of course it doesn't matter but there's only one way nuune loola maaamilaa. Waalli waalli baa la tusaa baa la dhahay. Loooooooooooooooooool. Agah! I clearly need to understand your dysfunctional relationship with nuune. Bal aan iska aamusa!

OdaySomali;982166 wrote: Overall goal: to improve the wellbing of and the economic opportunities available to Somalis. - improved food & water security - improved health care facilities accessible and affordable to all - improved education and training, accessible to all, which is relevant and practicaly applicable in industry - improved economic opportunities through job creation and support of small business. To alleviate the major constraints to economic development e.g. lack of power generation, beaurocratic bottlenecks, ports. - political stability and accountability. Good governace, efficiency and effectiveness. - to support the domestic capabilities (through universities and other inatitutions) of research and policy formulation and to link encourage co-operation between universities and public sector/industry. So, Qansax Meygaag what activities/projects/initiatives would you suggest? Oday so you have one overall goal and 6 key outputs. You now need to dig into each output and ask a number of things: 1. means of verification e.g. how will you know if health care facilities have been made accessible and affordable? Think indicators e.g. distance to healthcare facility, charges at the facility as compared to the earning capacity of the catchment population etc 2. You need to think sources of data. For the example 1 above for instance, will you use a health facility survey to judge the quality of care, a household survey of the catchment population to ask questions on how far people have to travel and how much they spend on health care? 3. You need to think "assumptions". Every project has assumptions which are critical to its success. Say for instance you want to build a road thru community contracting by getting folks together, asking them which road they want paved, tender process and adjudicating etc. The big assumption there is that the community is willing to work with you, now that is a very big assumption and you need to state it in the log frame. As for activities, they naturally flow from the outputs. Lets take you your output 1 of "improved health care facilities accessible and affordable to all". What sets of activities do you want to do to achieved that? 1. If there are few facilities will you build more? 2. For existing ones will you refurbish them? 3. Will you trained existing personnel 4. Health personnel are usually inadequate, will you hire new ones? 5. How about drugs and medical supplies 6. All the above are on the supply side, what will you do on the demand side, on the community side to tell them about the availability and affordability of health care? Here is a sample logframe, am sure you can find plenty of them: http://www.psilearning.com/USF_Data/web/lesson3/readings/1_logframs_ex.pdf

Haatu;982153 wrote: nuune , you don't seriously expect me to defend KDF do you? And FYI, ever since soo galootida were rounded up in Garissa a few months ago and sent away, the town has been peaceful Abti the right words are galti and guri; soomalidu waa galti (kuwii soo galay) iyo guri (kuwii sii joogi). All the same, I don't see why you are making a distinction. As long as someone lives peaceful why should it matter whether they are from Balambala or Jigjiga or Jammame?

Daanyeers also eat dharkayn tree? I never heard of that! It usually has white, sticky, poisonous sap (poisonous to humans, if it gets in your eyes you are done) since it is part of the Euphobia family..

subeen baa kugu xidhan = a sheep is tied on you (formal apology)

^^ Let people marry who they want. But there are consequences and people should not fool themselves... For every Somali sister ashamed of us Somali guys, there are plenty others proud of us and don't even mind being second or third in line... You want to marry cadaan or Jamaican? Knock your self out but don't go boo hoo when ayeeyo says "na ilmahaan maxay ahaayeen, na idhaafi waxaan" about your kids and discriminates my pure Somali kids against your half-half ones....you made your choice, live with it. You can't teach ayeeyo, the old dog, new tricks....

Haatu;981935 wrote: I had the same reaction as well. I thought dadku kibir badanaa The guy was one of the nicest people you could meet who actually works to support his family and was one of the few that didn't ask for money. Half of them so-called gob ab.same folks can only dream of having the man's karti but some people can't see beyond isir sadly. How sad, sounds like ethnic pride gone berserk...Although I must say that it is a common reaction among many NFD somalis...I don't know what our Garre brothers and sisters did or did not do waaaaaaaaaay back, the first reaction is "why, why? qof kale ma waydi"

nuune;981961 wrote: ^ Apophis , I do like that angle of your thinking regarding the KDF looting from the rich, but they could have looted and rescued people at the same time, they have devoted their whole time drinking and looting, remember, there were no hostages at all, and their knowledge of CCTV cameras were zero, have you seen how the attackers where knowledgeable of the CCTV in that video, they checked the ceilings several times, and even shot dead one big CCTV camera. Qansax , agree with you, no surprise there, but we are reminding some people about their beloved KDF soldiers who protect Garissa( Haatu seems satisfied that few KDF soldiers frequently raid Garissa residents in the hope of protecting the region, and he claims, soo galootiga ayey ka ilaalinayaan wadanka). The same KDF that went on a looting spree and torched suuq mugdi in Garissa a few months ago....

Oday, why not start with a log frame? It is at the heart of project management... We can all help you.... What's the overall Goal, break that down into purpose statements then objectives then see what activities the money can do....

Haatu;981824 wrote: You know it's really bad but do you know the amount of social stigma they would face? I know a person that married a kenyan bantu or something and their children were called caruurtii adoomada and the family as a whole ostracized. Would you allow that to happen to your daughter? For goodnesss sake a relative was ostracized coz she married a Garre, forget bantu. Loooooooooooooooooooool; abti are you serious? Ostracized for marrying a Garre? LMAO

^^ Why is everyone acting surprised? KDF and their forerunners have been raping, looting and killing NFD from time immemorial...