oba, this is what i meant yesterday. why congratulate such people on their imaginary anniversaries. these same who never miss a chance to show you spite. think about that.

Xamar and Hargeisa are both built by your so called koonfurians FYI, so come again faataale.

Discuss what issues ? clan and cantarbaqash, coz that is being discussed here and am above that. i will repeat nothing good will ever come out of an Islamist, if that angers you, so be it.

I vehemently oppose those vultures and we ( somalis ) should make it clear to the FGS in no uncertain terms against permitting such diabolical schemes in our country, period. this same shidh is destroying congo :mad::mad:

Are you asking if we support the immigration reform efforts and the amnesty ??. I personally support it, but after that Americans should make their border tighter.

Add to that he is an Islamist and no good comes out of those people :mad:. Wlc back professor.

To show that you ( the Somalis ) have no ownership of this initiative and thus your language is not important just like you ( the Somalis ). I never trust someone with gibil cad. just a while back Turkish fans of Fenerbahce racially abused Drogba & Eboue.

What party ? , the whole thing is make believe, its not even funny.

And the Turkish neo-colonialism continues a pace. Africa it seems is a continent still being scrambled for

Who are trying to hoodwink xaaji habaar, everyone knows the SNM clan despises and looks down on HAG clans.

Yeah he loves SL but they have nothing but hatred and contempt for him.

Walaahi your so innocent and child like , at least you have a good heart, that is your redemption.

You scored an own goal and your asking me why ?? SMH

Are you serious oba ?

God bless Kenya. Selflessly hosted Somali refugees, allowed them to create livelihoods in it's country and hosted numerous peace conference for Somalia and is currently stabilizing the Jubbas. Marka ka daa afkaaga huurada leh dalka jaarkeena.

Yes, Muslims can't form modern civilization as we currently know it, that is because freedom of conscience, freedom of expression, equality before the law, gender equality, etc are absent, this is the context in which i used the word. civilization is not about conquering lands like Andalus by sword and enslaving peoples and using their women in harems. No one buys your claim that islam was ever prodigious producer of scientific knowledge at one time either, even the few tangible scientific advances were by atheist Persians as i said before. the rest of your reply about african americans and whatever is irrelevant and off topic.

I can't stand Italians for some reason.

I beg to differ xiinow, everything in somalia is circumscribed by clan. i remember in the 90's, OG's massacred innocent PL'ers around kismayo when they were allied to the HAG. Marka you should be cautious, this folks whom your clapping for today might kill you tomorrow.

Xiin, wow your clan juices are in mojo over this kismayo issue. Are you sure the OG's once secure will not turn on you, we know they have no warm feelings for your clan.

Good one, i also thought about it. somehow being part of the Arab league has something to do with it. me thinks.

DoctorKenney;951373 wrote: You're missing the entire point, if you had any intelligence, I'm just countering your claim that Muslims are incapable of creating a civilization, so I gave you examples in the past to prove you wrong. I have given you specific examples where Muslims have set up civilizations more advanced than any at the time. Whether I'm an African Muslim or an Indonesian Muslim is irrelevant to this discussion. War, I'm repeating to you again as a black man you can't claim Arab achievements in the past, you should be ashamed. i don't believe they had any civilization anyway, they had harems and eunuchs and lots of slaves, the few scientific breakthroughs were by rationalists mostly non Arabs who hid their beliefs, the rest was translations of Greek works. Ha igu mashqulin kulaha, what a typical teenage girl talk.

DoctorKenney;951342 wrote: Sharmarke, I don't think there's any use reasoning with him on this basis. He knows he's doing nothing but repeating old Fox-News quotes. We've heard this crap for the last 10 years, no surprises there. I never watch nor like FOX News. so come back with something better. DoctorKenney;951342 wrote: He's forgetting the fact that Muslims have had a long and rich history, and that we weren't always like this . We weren't always in the poor and powerless state we're in today. He's forgetting the prosperous and booming years of the Abbasid and Ottoman Caliphates, the Muslim Caliphate in Cordoba with its thousands of libraries, hospitals and universities. Xabad isn't aware of these things. His knowledge on world history only reaches back 10 years. :cool: its utterly pretentious, goofy and frankly embarrassing for you a black man in africa to claim the civilizations of Arabs and Berbers in the past. i can't think of any think dumber runti. the gall, its like a kenyan catholic feeling sublimated at the achievements of renaissance era Italians. BONKERS

sharma-arke451;951304 wrote: no single faith is responsible for the violence and trouble around the world, and to claim that, is utter non sense and being biased, because each and every part of the world which has violence and trouble, has a specific reason for the cause and that disproves your claim to blame squarely on Islam. and to generalize that cause is a flaw and a primitive idea. for example the killing in Myanmar, the israel occupation, the Chinese Uyghurs Muslims, the American invasion in Iraq, the violence in Mexico, etc etc . these examples show the opposite of your claim. Yes i repeat one single faith uses violence as a tool today with minor exceptions of course ( Burmese & Sri Lankan Buddhists recently ) - but they are an aberration and a tiny speck in a sea of Islamist outrages documented and undocumented. Muslims almost always never get on with their neighbors, they are belligerent and supremacist. why ?? because their religion enjoins them explicitly to hate and fight other faiths, which is not a recipe for co-coexistence. No other religion, on this earth is like Islam in this regard. i challenge you on this sharma-arke451;951304 wrote: terror outrages it depends on who does it. if it is an American drone, it is an American terror outrage, if it is zetas drug cartel in Mexico terrorizing villages and towns, it is zetas cartel, if it is Buddhists in Myanmar killing innocent villagers and destroying their homes, budhists are to blame, if it is Al-shabab fighting Burundians and Ugandans in Mogadishu, or even killing an innocent life, its Al-shabab, and so on and so forth,,, about abductions, Well over 200 cases of parental child abduction cases occur each day in the United States. where is Islam in that? When you have no cover, obfuscate and try to play dumb . These people don't abduct children in the name of religion. We are talking about persecuting and killing people in the name of your religion. sharma-arke451;951304 wrote: by fact, Islam is the single most persecuted faith on earth. look around the world and tell me, the number of Muslim countries invaded? and you blame the victim for persecuting? what an irony.... Somalia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Myanmar, china uyghurs, Chechnya, Bosnia, Mali, Palestine etc etc Muslims should not blame anyone but themselves, they have always sown & continue to sow trouble, so its no surprise they are being put in their place. sharma-arke451;951304 wrote: degradation of women means enslaving women, and the west is a champion in this. look around and see the nudity, the old age houses,the prostitution, the rape cases, the late night casinos and shopping women in showrooms, the porn industry, the playboy, las Vegas, the girlfriend etc etc, if this is not degradation, i don't know what will. LMAO, the typical retort of Islamic misogynists, sxb, you can't deny what everyone around the world knows, ISLAM = anti-woman.

Jazaakallah ya akhi maaday.

Maaddeey;951259 wrote: remind me again, who conned the phrase: ' ..with us or against us'?. A 7th century Arab bedouin, perhaps ? Maaddeey;951259 wrote: are you talking about the German Nazi?, no, may be you are referring to what is happening in Burma now!. I can't help but think Non-Muslims feel a certain schadenfreude about what is happening in Burma, Mohammedans don't give a quarter and they should expect none in return.