<cite> @DoctorKenney said:</cite> Of course Xabad supports Israel. What do we expect from him? Xabad, what ethnicity are you BTW? Are you Japanese or Jewish Israeli or Peruvian or White German? Are you Indian or Hausa or Filipino? not somali by citizenship but ethnicity, how you expect indian or hausa to understand and write somali is strange. of course this tactic of yours has become an evasionary tactic - " he is not even somali". an escape clause when you lose a debate. BTW, the slaughter of children is being done by your fellow muslims - IS, to the yezidi children. a stated objective of theirs is the elimination of non muslims and whose children, women and old are fair game. as usual when muslims accuse others, they do hundred times worse actions. hypocritical people.

<cite> @DoctorKenney said:</cite> And it doesn't matter what the argument says, Xabad/others just copy and paste these arguments into this forum and then expect us to defend it. Never mind the fact that all of these arguments have already been addressed in years past on this forum, in other forums, and in other books and lectures and articles as well. why can't you address the allegations forthrightly, i put it to you that islam allows child marriage, and you can't disprove it. you keep repeating it has been dealt with before, its clear you evading the topic at hand. you only enforce the suspicions of all people.

<cite> @Khayr said:</cite> So on one hand you want to make a case against "Child Marriage" but are completely ok with "Child slaughtering". . who said i am ok with child slaughter, stop putting words in my mouth.

I support israel, so should you.

i would endorse her but she is liberal.

and it wasn't just the prophet, here is the second caliph of islam umar, supposedly amongst those guaranteed entry into paradise. "'Umar asked 'Ali for the hand of his daughter, Umm Kulthum in marriage. 'Ali replied that she has not yet attained the age (of maturity). 'Umar replied, 'By Allah, this is not true. You do not want her to marry me. If she is underage, send her to me'. Thus 'Ali gave his daughter Umm Kulthum a dress and asked her to go to 'Umar and tell him that her father wants to know what this dress is for. When she came to Umar and gave him the message, he grabbed her hand and forcibly pulled her towards him. 'Umm Kulthum asked him to leave her hand, which Umar did and said, 'You are a very mannered lady with great morals. Go and tell your father that you are very pretty and you are not what he said of you'. With that 'Ali married Umm Kulthum to 'Umar." In Tarikh Khamees, Volume 2, p. 384 ('Dhikr Umm Kalthum') and Zakhair Al-Aqba, p. 168

The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, “Best wishes and Allah”s Blessing and a good luck.” Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah”s Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. (Bukhari 5.58.234). Muhammad was at this time fifty-four years old.

<cite> @DoctorKenney said:</cite> There was nothing in the article that I haven't read before, and that hasn't been refuted before by NUMEROUS Muslim authors and professors. But go ahead. Have fun copying/pasting arguments and then expecting us to defend ourselves against your disapproving opinion. I have no desire to defend myself or explain anything to the likes of you. first of all do you think child marriage is right or wrong ?

<cite> @DoctorKenney said:</cite> Xabad, there is no onus on me, as I'm not obligated to address something that has no business being discussed on this forum, and which has already been refuted on numerous occasions all over the internet, on TV, and in books. You made a blatant lie again, here on this forum. As you don't even know what the purpose of the "Iddah" waiting period is. Surah 65:4 is dealing with the "Iddah", which is the waiting period a woman must go through once she gets a divorce, in order to ensure she's not pregnant. So traditionally, the Iddah period, is roughly 2 to 3 months. And if she's not pregnant, then she can go ahead and remarry someone else after the waiting period. But if she IS pregnant, then the Iddah period goes on until after she delivers the baby. Usually it's 2 menstrual cycles, but if her cycles are irregular or they're not consistent (as is pretty common with a lot of women in this world), then she has to wait 3 months to ensure she isn't pregnant. Or else, there could be the possibility that her new husband would believe that the child she gave birth to was biologically his, although technically the child was conceived by her old husband, so in order to protect lineage and to prevent against false paternity, this rule is observed. It gives a roughly 3 month buffer timing in order to prevent this. That's the whole point of Iddah. It's all very detailed and elaborate, and I don't have the time to go into further detail, but the point is that in Islam, the age of marriage starts after the man/woman reaches mental and physical maturity (sometime after puberty, maybe a few years after). Doctor please read the article first.

<cite> @DoctorKenney said:</cite> I'm not going to address your argument at all Xabad. Because you've proven yourself as being someone not worth having a discussion with This argument's been dealt with on numerous occasions, on this forum and in other forums, books and lectures. I'm not gonna re-invent the wheel and address you again. Dr kenney your the smartest of the wahhabi lot here, no one expects to have a rational discussion with the likes of cidansultan. so, the onus is on you to refute these allegations or agree with them. i am earnestly waiting for your response

incidentally i was recently reading an excellent piece by an Aussie named Mark Durie titled " The Koran and child marriage". http://www.meforum.org/4725/the-koran-and-child-marriage Everyone knows Mohammed consummated a marriage to a nine year old bride but what many don't know is this; However in discussing divorce it does refer to conditions applying for a female who has not yet menstruated, i.e. for a pre-pubescent girl. The reference is found in Sura 65:4 in a list of regulations concerning the waiting period (the Iddah or Iddat) for divorced women before they can remarry. The verse deals systematically with different cases of women who for some reason are not having regular periods. It reads: "And of those of your women who have given up hope of menstruating, if you doubt, their (waiting) period is three months, as well as those who do not menstruate. And those who are pregnant, their period is until they deliver their burdens." (Sura 65:4) An all knowing and merciful god could never ever sanction child rape. waiting what the apologists have to say.

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kix kix @ cidansultan. even as a terrorist you fail. couldn't help but revert to his true self. what a flake

skinnies are the worst arab lovers i swear. uff to this people.

<cite> @DoctorKenney said:</cite> Xabad, get off this thread. It's not meant for you. You are neither Somali nor are you Muslim. And I'm not here to let you de-rail this thread. LEAVE, stop changing the topic. I don't care about what you have to say. haye mudane

<cite> @CidanSultan said:</cite> ^^^^ Polytheist is that the best defence you can muster. You better ask your monkey statue to help you. It's become apparent that You know very little about most things it's not surprising that your a polytheist. Foolish man your are comparing Hindus who worship phallic symbols or moose who worship a moon god to our waaq. your are tripping.

There you go spamming the forum with your garbage. nobody is going to read your diarrhea.

<cite> @CidanSultan said:</cite> As usual your wrong, Yiddish is not only a combination of German and Hebrew. Yiddish is Slavic, German and Hebrew a small bit is Hebrew. Secondly being the polytheist that you are you attempt to distort the truth yet again. Most Jews come from Russia, Hungary, Poland and Eastern Europe. This is not the Rhineland. This is Eastern Europe. You intentionally try to confuse the reader and distort and claim that an insignificant small group of Jews in the Rhineland gave birth to millions of predominantly Slavic speaking Jews that stretch from Russia all the way to Poland? Is that what your claiming? Even the Jews of Yemen who had lived there for thousands of years did not even produce a million let alone 20 million.. still proves me right. yiddish is not a turkic language. is it ? slavic is just a minor latter addition. jews first settled in the rhine area and spread to eastern europe and elsewhere, have you not seen their surnames even in russia, hungary, poland are still germanic eg rotenberg, horovitz, klein, fischer, neumann etc from these tiny rhineland community sprang virtually the whole of eastern european jewry. arid yemen can't sustain the same level of population as temperate, agriculturally abundant Europe, don't be daft.

<cite> @CidanSultan said:</cite> This polytheist, one statement after another. You understand why he'll was created when speaking to these monkey worshippers. kix kix your threatening me with hell after i proved you wrong. don't read quack books next time if you want to debate people.

<cite> @CidanSultan said:</cite> Another statement by the polytheist without merit...have you even read the book you can't discredit its it's backed by DNA sampling. It's backed by the fact that Eastern European Jews call themselves ashkaanzi. It's been proven in the Yiddish language etc. Listen, the word ashkenaz refers to the area around the rhine or modern day germany in hebrew where the jews first settled long before this khazarian nonsense you're fond of. Yiddish has nothing to do with khazarian which also disproves your assertion, its a german/hebrew mix. The genetic sampling also shows european jews actually related to levantine peoples and no hint of turkic genes. so much for khazarian. <cite> @CidanSultan said:</cite> How did 10 million Jews get to Europe ??? And how was the khazarian fact debunked tell us ? Lol. Without posting another bull?it biased site give us dna evidence or clear proof that discredit this fact. Do you think 10 million left israel and migrated like that at once. they multiplied once they settled and spread like all populations do.

<cite> @CidanSultan said:</cite> ^^^^ Our polytheist member xabad who has been discredited many times makes another typical statement. Most of the wall was built by Herod the great a roman agent who the Jewish people of that time hated. So much for wailing at it. The Romans destroyed the temple but the people remained and they were not exiled as archeology and history shows. The ethnic original Jewish people are today's Palestinians. DNA has proven this fact. The Zionist narrative is wrong. It says 2000 years ago a Jewish people were exiled this has been proven to be incorrect the Romans didn't exile people who would they tax ??? 90% of the people of "Israel" are Eastern European. How did 10 million "jews" end up in Eastern Europe...??? Simple... Read the 13th tribe by Arthur koestler or the invention of the Jewish people by sholomo. Or the DNA research conducted. They are Turkic converts who converted from khazaria. They converted to Judaism because they didn't want to be influenced by the Abbasid chaliphate or Byzantium in other words Islam and Christianity. Furthermore these fake Jews want to claim other peoples land by saying God gave it to us 2000 years ago. In the bible it says God gave it to the seed of Abraham not Eastern Europeans. Furthermore if they have the right to come back even though they have never been there ever... Surely the Aztecs have the right over Mexico, the Phoenicians over North Africa and Sicily and Southern Italy. The celts have the right to all of England, the Moghuals over India etc. Fortunately the world doesn't work like that therefore israel is unfounded and illegal. arthur koestler's khazarian theory has been thoroughly debunked. don't ever use discredited theories.

<cite> @Khadafi said:</cite> Imagine Doctor Kennedy that you as Somali, living happily in your nation. European/Russian/Arab jews with solid support driving you out from your homeland. When you are astonished and humiliated you ask them why are you doing this? They answer God told me 3000 years ago that this land was mine. Well if God have them that countrey indeed my God gave Somalia to me. . False analogy buddy. Everyone including the arabs themselves know of the historical jewish connection to Israel. their temples and synagogues attest to it - who do you think built the western wall ? all Palestinian towns bar two have jewish names, jews from russia or poland were sent into exile from the same land by the roman empire. they didn't just choose palestine randomly for settlement. In south africa, afrikaners had no pre-existing, historical right to the land. it was an unjust colonial conquest like that of Australasia and the Americas by the european imperialists. The case of palestine is completely different, that is why the league of nations unanimously declared : " Whereas recognition has been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country."

<cite> @DoctorKenney said:</cite> http://www.somaliaonline.com/community/topic/somalilands-support-for-al-shabab-good-or-bad-for-silaanyo-administration/page/6/ Xabad is NOT A SOMALI What is he doing on a Somali website? The way he's always posting underhanded insults at Somalis and mocking us. And then he makes some snide remarks regarding Somali people in the West. Yet he keeps pretending to be Somali. Look at this link. Read what he wrote. He admitted that he's not Somali, this is absolutely disgraceful. Bacaac is ka kala yaree sxb & stop misusing the word disgraceful.

<cite> @Holac said:</cite> Disgraceful comment. Why senor??

you've been told enough times, but let me repeat, STOP POSTING GARBAGE/SPAM ON THIS SITE.