Apology accepted Gooni. I said what i could about this topic, don't want to repeat myself I wanna talk about the crazy tahriibiyaal who crisscrossing across central europe right now. wax iga yaabiyay waligay ma arkin

They should change their flag to khat leaves on a white background.

Aidiid was a monster. May he rot in hell

<cite> @ElPunto said:</cite> Poor Xabad is confused. This is not about clan territory. I don't think anyone actually thinks of Mogadishu as anything but a clan territory. It is about his house which he owns. If he wants to stay there or sell it - it is upto him. But daylight robbery can't be tolerated or accepted. This incident just proves it is time to reconsider Mogadishu being the capital of this country. Daylight robbery is how he got it in the first place Jaale. i am not confused, was just touching on the larger issue here.

^ Gooni, Runi Laba Kama Wada Qosliso! runtaad diidantahay, yareentaadday laguma dirsan, don't attack the messenger, address the issue. i'm done on this topic.

^ Gooni, please stop talking in parables. yaa is waydiyay inuu dul dambi galey ? Mqudisho garbaharey and boaram aint the same ol boy, different climates, different clans etc Xamar will never get better for outsiders, let them go back to their dusty villages and leave reer xamar to their beautiful city. PL for bunlanders, SL for is@qs, Jubbaland for Big foots but when it comes to southern territories gorgortaan baad galaysaan, mugdisho ma qubrus baa lagu dari ayada iyo waxaan loo joogin. once again let him go to his clan tuulo, xamar maxaa u yaal ? its inhabitants are overwhelmingly one clan, he won't enjoy even. maxay isugu dajiyaan xamar tolow ? garan waayay sell your your plot and house, simple its rich you talk about dowladnnimo when your clan were brought into xamar by aabe siyaad to boob lands using government money.

it is very realistic. We agreed the major clans are back in their home bases, hence federalism and what have you. Desegregation at the sub clan level in some places has yet to take place though, e.g Reer Bari desire to be left alone in their land. Some HAG Clans are squatting on fellow HAG's territories in central Somalia. In so called Somaliland, some inter clan sorting has to take place.

Gooni, we have the highest fertility rates in the world. Surely we can slack off. Westerners and Asians have gotten the code, so why can't Africans get it ?? Having kids is not an achievement, even homeless people have them. They are not a blessing, if you can't feed them. its time we let go off these old paradigm which prioritizes surplus human beings. We have enough young people who have no jobs and livelihoods, who are dying trying to reach Europe.

^ i stated for you the solutions as i see it, Che, ruminate on it and then reply to me. its not hard 1. Every clan retreats to its original territory 2. Ditch nomad-ism and adopt sedentary lifestyle. 3. Dissolve all clan identity - the least likely option.

<cite> @Che -Guevara said:</cite> I am well. Most of the land disputes and conflicts in today's Somalia is between people within the same tribe. Your assumption that segregation will solve the problem is flawed. What do you suggest, each sub-sub-sub-sub clan should go to their village? Why not ? Unless the hosts are cool with different clans' in their backyard. The only other option is for the dissolution of all clan identity, which you and i know ain't gonna happen. its one thing if you stay in another person house to be quiet and behave yourself, but they bad mouth the hosts and scheme endlessly. clannism is their alpha and omega.

That is minor compared to the elephant that is the conflict between the two major clans in Somalia. That is what started the civil war not some minor skirmish between two sub clans which always happened but never took down the country. The root of the problem is the brazen territorial ambitions and desire for domination by the different clans and sub clans. Somalis are always scheming on how to displace other clans from their lands. Put and end to that and you solve Somalia's problem for good. Which is impossible unless these mad people settle down and become farmers.

You are not very bright, are you? Che, How do you do ? I was being hyperbolic of course, but its not far off the truth. One of the lead causes of the Somali civil war was the southern clans' anger at domination by the northern clans, they also felt their traditional territories were being encroached upon. Now, smart people who had houses and plots in Xamar have already sold it, they know Humpty Dumpty can't be put back together. But there are few stupid holdouts like these driver who need to be reminded why the civil war was fought and more importantly who won. Get it ?

mana aaminsani shakhsiyan inay dhul kala leeyihiin How so ? cid waliba soo degaan ukhaas maleh ? Xamar belongs to certain clans, outsiders should keep out. Let him go to Gedo or Garbaharey, what is he doing in Xamar ?

Write in Somali, its more eloquent and beautiful than this Af Qalaad we are forced to write by the dint of western ascendancy.

Some clans want to have their own piece of land exclusive to them and share other clan's lands too. its not fair. Every clan has its own dagaan, they should stick there. All the these problems would end.

^ Gooni, niyow stick to somali. Your english is a mess LOL waxaad qortay sayn iyo madax maleh

<cite> @Dhagax-Tuur said:</cite> As. The young bride's attire has less to be desired of, and marrying at the heart of Somali land, one would have expected youngsters to respect deen and cultural values. It just goes to show the powerful stranglehold Western mono culture has got on the rest of the world. Exactly! Never understood weddings. Why publicize whom you going to have sex with to multitudes, shouldn't it be private affair between two partners.

Not funny.

^ Good, its always best to lower one's gaze. Even Africa is being westernized. The same norms you see in the Qurbaha are slowly making inroads here. Late marriages and fewer kids etc. Waxba waliba waa Global nowadays.

^ Hahaa, I took a flight to Dubai and a faarax sitting next to me on the plane was giving the exact lecture to Yemeni/Kenyan lady who was studying for her PHD in Turkey. He kept waffling on about kids being a blessing and all, how time is running. it was funny and annoying at the same time. Maybe your the same guy who was on the plane with me, who knows.

<cite> @Tallaabo said:</cite> Mr Xabad I think you do not live in the real world. War, invasion, conquest, domination, empire building, nation building, subjugation of one group of people or another, hoarding of wealth, arms race, political and economic influence, etc, are very much part and parcel of human civilisation. There is hardly any country or society in the world today which does not have at least one episode of violent conquest of another people or nation in their history, and of which they are very proud. The western world should of course not be expected to be any different. The only distinguishing feature of their history which makes other nations and individuals like you rage in envy is its phenomenal scale, influence, and success. ...then why are you whinging if the reverse is done to them and their countries are taken over by Muslims.?? Envious of their success kulaha! Maxaad ismoodaa ?. You think you are one of them. Don't consume too much of their media and narratives. Your already bought into the idea of their exceptionalism. This is PR campaign, to portray themselves as the best thing ever. Certainly convinced hapless Africans drowning in their thousands there is eldorado to be found in a bankrupt and debt ridden continent. There is nothing special about their civilization, its has been disaster. Today the planet's biosphere is on the brink of catastrophe largely due their baleful influence. Global climate change, mass habitat loss and extinction, acidification of the seas, etc..

<cite> @Tallaabo said:</cite> This is the typical conspiracy theories clueless Somalis peddle in merfishes, tea shops, and mosques. The Western world do not welcome hateful Muslims because of some plan to 'westernise' them, but because western laws prohibit the discriminatory measures which could have denied Muslims the opportunity to immigrate to the West. ...Nor did the indigenes of Australia, South Africa, Canada et al welcome westerners to their countries to take them over, reducing them to second class status in their own land. The same accusations they ironically hurl against Muslims. Their are the last people in the world, you should be having polite consideration for, given their history.

Those goats are denuding what little is left of vegetation and trees in that land. The Externalities of herding are devastating on the land and it will never recover. expect more hapless youth to drown in the Mediterranean as a result.

^^ same for me, i loved those two foods together especially in the morning followed by white tea. unfortunately since i became a vegetarian, i can only enjoy canjeero on its own.

So i steal your land and i give you handouts and its O.K. Not that anybody believes your lies about natives ever seeing the billions plundered from their land. By your absurd rationalization, if suppose some foreign people come to your village and take over the land and resources and give you handouts and when your complain, remind you that your'e pampered and in fact should be grateful for all the development your new overlords brought you. would you be happy ? I don't think you would and no free people ever will. Humans don't take to subjugation well. There are some fundamental rights that nations and peoples have, the right to national self determination in their own ancestral land, this is denied to natives in Canada. CANADA IS AN OCCUPIED COUNTRY, it is a colonial vestige just like Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Rhodesia, and Latin America. There are no NO people called "Canadians", there are Europeans- Irish, Germans,etc.., who have less than 200 years presence in that country. I agree, Muslims massacred Hindus, K5 and NFD are under occupation, but you can't criticize one oppressor and ignore the crimes of the other. Stop your whitewash, pun intended.