STOIC;983494 wrote: It is true that some Islamic scholars will make you feel like Allah is out there to get you.We are warned not to be treacherous and sinful, but also if we fall into any sins, as we are human, this Aya comes to mind. Say, "O My servants who have transgressed against themselves [by sinning], do not despair of the mercy of Allah . Indeed, Allah forgives all sins. Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful." Islam calls for prayer, purity, humility, humbleness and sacrifice. May Allah make us the once who are firm and confident. Ps: for some reason as you age (like me) many of the foolish things that excite you don't move you. All you want to do is do right and do good deeds while placing your mercy on him. Or else the Quraan will not have called him the most merciful so many times. That Ayah doesn't mean go ahead and transgress against yourself by committing all sorts of sins, be it the comsumption of alcohol, Zina (fornication/adultery), murder, eating of Riba (interest) or even sorcery. If you intentionally commit sins, then it's only logical to say Allah will surely punish you, but if you commit sins without knowing or if you commit sins due to being in a dire circumstances, such as taking interest or eating haram food/drinks, then surely Allah is forigivng. It seems to me that 'some' "Muslims" that have committed many sins and are still willing to commit more, want to justify their path by twisting certain verses from the Quran and certain Hadiths from the Prophet to their liking.

Apophis;983406 wrote: Keep the mirror, you'll need it to bring out the inner white woman in you . And there's nothing wrong with it, Michael Jackson did it and he was popular (with whites). The white woman in you? Dude, you just gave her the compliment she was dying for lol. Besides, there are many white Muslim women that have objectively disagreed with the neo-extermist secularist Liberals that today claim to be "Muslim" while simultaneously fighting against the Quran and Sunnah.

Alpha Blondy;983404 wrote: you destroyed Saffz in that infamous ''xalimo and indhoyar marriage'' thread, abti. caadi matid. you're deliberately confusing my biological chromosomes because you're a script, maha? i've posted my facial pics on this forum...... think twice before confusing Al with an ex-East German Olympic female swimmer. Just wanted to see your reaction. There is a reggae singer named Alpha Blondy.

Alpha Blondy;983399 wrote: yet another predictable thread. so much for anti-intellectualism. we all know how it will end. someone starts a seemingly 'controversial' topic. then someone else disagrees. then a long pseudo-intellectual discussion ensues. then Apo makes a dismissive one line sentence. then saffz reacts to a reactionary statements by writing lots of opinions dressed up as facts. then some bearded akhi get's a halal erection from her calaf doon solicitations in the form ''look at me, i'm ever so clever you'll never see me watching dishes with a burqa on oo kale'' . then his friend makes an attempt in woowing Saffz. then Classified makes his bid for Saffz...usually in the form of egging any male who challenges Saffz's sensationalist claims, while at the same time unable to conceal being love-struck with this xalimo feminista. then wadani joins in the action because he's a sand-dweller. then Tallabo makes a seemingly funny comment. Haatu, who's also desperately keen to join the action, make his bid (not for Saffz) but to impress folks with his niche in writing abstract Af-Soomali adverbs. then some random akhi with less than 100 posts makes some valid points....no cares because the folks debating are anti-intellectual. somewhere on page 4, Saffz quits the discussion because her strong academic paradigm is impenetrable......while at the same time soliciting further courtship. then Alpha comes in and say something silly and Saffz is impressed. ............the discussion still continues with further heated exchanges bordering on ignorance of the ethno-chauvinistic sort.... somewhere on page 14, one of the older dumar elders of SOL, who's at the autumn of product shelf-live, much like the thread, makes ambiguous statements eluding to support Saffz because ''we're clearly emancipated womenfolks'' while at the same time remitting cougar like attention-deficit traits or in other words ''i'm still here ee give me some of the attention'' ......Classified disagrees with this because his feeble intellectuality is predicated on anti-Saffz-ism. cala kuli xaal.....Saffz is Classified. Classified is Saffz. 2 days later another seemingly 'controversial topic' is posted and it's start again. LMAO!!!!! I couldn't stop laughing while I was reading your post. This guy/girl is a comedian!

Bluelicious;983396 wrote: ^^ Well said. Thank you.

Apophis;983390 wrote: Perhaps. But there's money and titles to be earned first by attacking Islam. It's the latest quick rich scheme for the hypocrates. Lol. Nowadays, for Somali women, FGM and attacking Islam or their Culture has become their latest quick rich scheme. They'll get a couple of grants from public and private funds. Send back home to do a short documentary. Get a book deal. Get some air-time on National news. Come back to the Foreign nation you call home and create an "Out-reach" program for "your" community and milk the system. They deserve a Mark Twain award for their humor. lol

Hawdian;983389 wrote: . LOL:cool: did you say a halal drink she is probably a beeral drinker the beer lite in the Arab world Lol, yes. The so-called "Reformers" or "Intellectuals" Safferz strongly advocates for believe that earlier Muslim scholars interpreted the drinking of Alcohol and that it's up for "debates", thus it can be re-interpreted. Alcohol is halal for the "Free Thinkers". As Safferz said, Safferz;983382 wrote: I actually enjoy disagreement and debate, with intelligent people who share the same point of reference ie. the text we've both read, because it pushes me to think in different ways and refine my arguments.

Islam doesn't need poetry to defend it. Islam needs YOU (Muslims), to act accordingly to the Quran and Sunnah, let your actions speak instead of your tongues.

Apophis, look what I found. A prominent Muslim scholar, the epitome of Islamic intellectualism. Perhaps, Safferz can now have a "halal drink" with us, as comrades that share the same perspective, eh.

Safferz;983369 wrote: You enjoy strawman arguments, don't you? Anti-intellectualism can mean a number of things, but here I mean it as the unwillingness to engage with perspectives, positions and ideas different from one's own and participate in productive exchange (whether that's a debate, or reading a text) and specifically the hostility certain SOLers towards 'thinking outside the box' as Ibti put it. Marching in here as Classified and Khayr have, hostile to even reading the works of the two scholars mentioned in this thread, is the very definition and practice of anti-intellectualism. No one said anything about agreeing with them, you read THEN you share your thoughtful disagreement. Lol @ two scholars.

Apophis;983362 wrote: Why are those who disagree with liberal hypocrisy called “anti-intellectual"?. I guess one must be a dirt,y lentil eating liberal to qualify as an “intellectual". Utter BS. Lol

Enjoy!

Khayr;983351 wrote: I read his view on the movie that mocked and mocked our beloved prophet (salallahu caliyhe wasim). He has no love for the rasul (salallahu caliyhe wasilm) and therefore is not of his Ummah. So to me, what comes out of this man's mouth is nothing but donkey manure. Saffrez, We can't have a serious debate with you when you read munafiqs like Khalid Abou Fadl. He lacks credibility in my eyes because he gets his glory and praises from insulting Islam and muslims. Exactly! Well said.

SomaliPhilosopher;983199 wrote: To those who r complaining get into film, encourage and support african and Somali film makers, write reviews, buy a damn camera.. survival of the fittest is the mantra of this industry. and perception is key. you expect the white folk to run a PR campaign for you? you know Somalia use to host international film festivals? when black coffee is added to milk, it is no longer black. and even when milk is added to black coffee it is no longer black as well! And its not because the milk is white, it is because you are not pouring it!!!! Bye The highlighted portion simply defeats the purpose of your rubbish. The 6 big Hollywood studios that is represented by the MPAA is all owned and controlled by Whites. Without their support, your reviews are essentially nothing. Survival of the fittest? You've already been eaten alive mate! lol Has anyone seen Machine Gun Preacher? Like Khayr said, we see another 'white protagonist' saving the day.

And they say "slavery has been abolished in America". People don't realize, but such movies like this is meant to give pride to the younger White generations and show the younger "Black" generations their place in history and in humanity. Hollywood never makes any movies with famous actors depicting how Fircoon enslaved the Jews or how different African empires once had European/White slaves. Food for thought.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salaad_Gabeyre_Kediye In 2005, Cambridge historian Christopher Andrew published The World Was Going Our Way, a comprehensive account of KGB operations in Africa, Asia and Latin America co-authored with the late KGB Major Vasili Mitrokhin. Based on documents drawn from the Mitrokhin Archive, it alleges that Kediye had been a paid KGB agent codenamed "OPERATOR". Ironically, the KGB-trained National Security Service (NSS), the SRC's intelligence wing, had carried out Kediye's initial arrest.[1] Was the Soviets trying to install Lieutenant Colonel Salaad Gabeyre and General Muhammad Caynaanshe by overthrowing Major General Siad Barre in the 1971 failed coup-attempt?

I don't know who's the greater fool; The one that thinks Somalia is still intact or The one that things Somaliland is a country?

In response to the member Safferz, DoctorKenney said; DoctorKenney;982370 wrote: Please don't change Islam, by referencing the quotes of ONE obscure modern-day scholar. You sound ridiculous here. It is well known that drinking alcohol (publicly that is), is indeed within the purview of the State, as the 4 Righteous Caliphs (Umar, Abu Bakr, Ali and Uthman) were known to punish alcoholics and they did so after the death of the Noble Prophet. It is well known that Muslim women CANNOT marry Non-Muslims at all. Under no circumstances, and there are no exceptions to this rule. But a Muslim man can marry a chaste Jewish or Christian woman, but this is discouraged. And it would be preferable to marry a Muslim woman instead. I, as a Muslim man, am forbidden to marry an Atheist woman, or a Hindu woman, or a Buddhist woman. I'm ONLY allowed to marry a Christian or Jewish woman under very limited circumstances (she has to be religious, she has to be chaste) and many scholars even say that you would have to be living in an Islamic State for the marriage to be valid. That it wouldn't be valid if you were doing the marriage in the USA or Canada or Europe. In response to the member Safferz, DoctorKenney said; DoctorKenney;982371 wrote: You can be gay and Muslim, correct. You can even commit homosexual acts and still be Muslim, although you would be sinning. The same way how an alcoholic Muslim or a fornicating Muslim is still a Muslim, even though he's committing major sins. That's not the issue here. The issue is: People who claim to be Muslim but then claim that homosexuality is fine. That there's nothing wrong with it. That homosexual acts are all good. Once you do that, you've left the fold of Islam and this is major kufr. I have Muslim friends who drink alcohol while knowing that they're committing a sin and what they're doing is wrong. They are major sinners, but that doesn't make them Kafir. What would make them a Kafir is if they drank alcohol and attempted to justify it and claim that it's totally fine. There's a huge difference here. That's the criteria. That's where the border-lines are drawn. In response to the member Safferz, DoctorKenney said; DoctorKenney;982402 wrote: I really suggest you stick to your Liberal Arts studies in college and refrain from talking about things you know nothing about. If you make a claim, you'd better substantiate it or withdraw it. Don't make the claim, and then claim that you're "uninterested" to carry the topic on further. And don't reference ambiguous Islamic politicians to make a point. I'm advising you to remain silent about what you don't know, as you're only making a fool of yourself on this forum. Don't approach topics with little research and zero knowledge. We are all laypeople, and you should be honest enough to admit that In response to the member Safferz, DoctorKenney said; DoctorKenney;982418 wrote: That was a long-winded paragraph insulting me and others on this forum, without really saying anything of substance. You don't know me and you know nothing about me at all. But nice job making assumptions about my character. And it's laughable how your "PHD in History" from an American school makes you qualified to make personal Ijtihad on Islamic Fiqh when it's clear that you know nothing about Quranic Tafsir, Hadiths and early Islamic history. Your little Liberal Arts degree is giving you the confidence and nerve to make long-winded posts about topics you're totally ignorant of, and then you try to pass yourself as an intellectual. Learn your place, you're an amateur. I once took a class on the French Revolution when I was in University. Does this somehow make me an expert on French History? Or does it make me a man who knows a little bit about France and that's it. And it's clear from your posts that you look at Islam through your liberal lenses, and you try and interpret Islam according to your Liberal inclinations. And you're telling me that I "lack intellectual curiosity". Either speak good or remain silent. I'm advising you to remain silent , re-enrol in University, and study something else instead. Something worthwhile Thanks to you Safferz, If I ever have children (inshaAllah), I will explicitly forbid my daughters and sons from studying Liberal Arts in University, and instead make them study Engineering, Healthcare or any of the other hard sciences. I'm not gonna have them become as corrupted and deluded as you. What a shame wallahi In response to the member Khayr regarding the member Safferz, DoctorKenney said; DoctorKenney;982465 wrote: It's actually such a disgrace saaxib. Somali kids going into university and studying Philosophy or Sociology or some other useless major and they graduate with the assumption that they know everything and often use big fancy words when talking just to prove a point. I have a couple Somali girls on my Facebook that are guilty of this. I see them writing long paragraphs on topics they know nothing about, but because they have a Liberal Arts degree, they feel like their opinion is worth something. Islam is as it is. You can't "re-interpet" Islam to fit your desires. Either take it or leave it. Islam has 2 aspects; 1. Aqeedah and 2. Fiqh .....If you don't even understand the Aqeedah fully then you have no right to start speaking of Fiqh issues. Get your basics done first. I don't see a 7 year old kid trying to understand Algebra and Calculus, so why is Safferz trying to do the same with Islamic Fiqh? There are many many books about Islam, and I suggest you start increasing your knowledge on it and you'll eventually realize the great wisdom behind Islamic legislation. But take baby steps first. The greatest A.s.s-Kick on SOL I have EVER seen. DoctorKenney has just murdered Safferz. I am laughing my butt off. I tried to warn her, but she had it coming. LMAO!!!!

Not a single one comprehend what I asked. A simple YES or NO was all that was needed. Here is Radio Muqdisho on October 21, 2013. http://saadaalnews.com/2013/10/21/dhagayso-axmed-saleebaan-dafle-saamaali-waxey-ka-tashataabaa-lagu-xukumi-karaa/

I derailed my own thread. smh So far, YoniZ, Wiil Cusub and "Irshad Manji" (Safferz) all condemn 21 October. Guys, can we come back to the initial point? Should 21 October be celebrated as a National holiday or should it be condemned in the new Federal Republic of Somalia? Also, what about the Rebel movements? Should they have a celebratory platform or not?

Safferz;982329 wrote: I don't "follow" anyone and I don't owe you a response, Hawdian. Go back to your boys' club. By "follow", he meant the scholars that you accept. And, by "accept", he meant their teachings. By "teachings", he meant their approach to Islamic jurisprudence which should be in line with mainstream Islam. So, who are they?

Wiil Cusub, which Cigaal should I listen to? The Cigaal of the 1950s? The Cigaal of the 1960s? The Cigaal of the 1970s? The Cigaal of the 1980s? or The Cigaal of the 1990s?

Wiil Cusub;982326 wrote: If that is true they have to fellow our footsteps and used as roll modal other wise they will disappear in darkness Yes my Russian friend. Somalilanders are a roll modal for the rest of Somalia.

Somalia needs you, reer Soomaalilaanow.

Safferz;982320 wrote: Maybe if you spent more time reading and thinking about Islam's rich intellectual history and browsed various fiqh rulings, you'd know anything I've said in this thread - that some issues are not black and white, and Islamic scholars debate these questions - pales in comparison to you and Classified's takfir, which is explicitly haram. I didn't make any takfir. Just asked a question regarding your authenticity in claiming to be a Muslim; "Is it safe to say that Safferz is not a Muslim?".