Thanks Bari_Nomad I think that majority of Somalis agree with this with the exception of those who have in mind a return of dictatorship like the one we have witnessed or even worse

That was funny!! Look at this also Choosing a Wife There is a man who has three girlfriends, but he does not know which one to marry. So he decides to give each one $5000 and see how each of them spends it. The first one goes out and gets a total makeover with the money. She gets new clothes, a new hairdo, manicure, pedicure, the works, and tells the man, "I spent the money so I could look pretty for you, because I love you so much." The second one went out and bought new golf clubs, a CD player, a television and a stereo and gives them to the man. She says, "I bought these gifts for you with the money because I love you so much." The third one takes the $5000 and invests it in the stock market, doubles her investment, returns the $5000 to the man and reinvests the rest. She says, "I am investing the rest of the money for our future because I love you so much." The man thought long and hard about how each of the women spent the money. He finally decided to marry the one with the biggest tits.

Very interesting topic, as always MMA and Nuune are taking more than their share to educate and entertain te community. I agree with you that af-Somali is a very rich and beautiful language but the problem is and has been that we have been borrowing so many words from other languages even tough we had our own words and they subsequently replaced the Somali words and those words have dissapeared. The blame is on those who call themsevles as "educated" Remember back home when you meet with someone from abroad comes back most of them tried to use some foreign words in order for them to be seen as educated and it worked for them. For example, "todobaad' is a perfectly somali word but hardly anyone used back home especially among the youngesters the prefered words were week/sitimaan Also atariisho and atoore are not Hindi or English but tey are Italian and as MMA said they have same root in both English and Italian wich are both European

The shortest sentence in Somali language I think is "I SII" it is for letter however, there could be shorter one if you could try and beat my record

An 80 year old man is having his annual checkup. The doctor asks him how he's feeling? "I've never felt better," he replies. "I've got an eighteen year old bride who's pregnant with my child! What do you think about that?" The doctor considers this for a moment, then says, "Well, let me tell you a story. I know a guy who's an avid hunter. He never misses a season. But one day he's in a bit of a hurry and he accidently grabs his umbrella instead of his gun. So he's walking in the woods near the creek, and suddenly he spots a beaver in some brush in front of him. He raises up his umbrella , points it at the beaver and squeezes the handle. BAM! The beaver drops dead in front of him." "Thats impossible!" said the old man in disbelief,"someone else must have shot the beaver!" "Bingo!" says the doctor....

LION: AAR LIONESS: GOOD

Do I have to tell you? Ok Hoose Dhexe Maxamed Jaamac Sare Khalid Bin Waliid I reckon that many of you have never heard of it but it existed somewhere in Somalia

Do I have to tell you? Ok Hoose Dhexe Maxamed Jaamac Sare Khalid Bin Waliid I reckon that many of you have never heard of it but it existed somewhere in Somalia

Infact I found both of them from the internet the first one is GUUGUULE Guuguulihiiyow haddaad guga u ooyayso, Oo aad moodday keligaa inuu gubayo jiilaalku, Oo aad gamoorahakan maran gama' la'aan diiday, Ayna gocosho awgeed ilmadu kaaga gobo'laysay, Guumays cirroobaan ahaye war an ku gaarsiiyo, Gartaa maaha keligaa inaad gaar u cabataaye, Giddigood addoomaha waxaa gaaray nabar weyne, Abaar gaag ma reebaa dhacdiyo gaatamoo kale e, Geelii adduunka u adkaa gobollo waydowye, Golihii ka kici waa raggii gaydho hayn jiraye, Tuuladay ilgabadlaynayaan gobol barbaartiiye, Ninkii timirta goob dhigi lahaa jiingaduu geline, Ninna uma garaabeen haddaan gaadhka laga hayne, Gammaankii ka maray dhoodi iyo galaxyadeediiye, Gumburigii bar baa joogsadiyo goroyo cawshiiye, Saryankii garbaha weyn lahaa geed ka kici waaye, Wuxuu gooni daaqii habsaday gubaddadii Hawde, Garanuugti iyo deeradii gaag yar baa haraye, Gobay iyo askari geyfan baa goodirkii jaraye, Guuyadiyo jiiskii hadday kala gol waayeene, Kama guuxo aar goonlihii geliga toomoode, Shabeelkii gabraar lagu idlee giiro layn jiraye, Oo gododka kama soo ciyaan gabannadiisiiye, Hargihiisa nimankii gataa guuldarraw sidaye, Gaadiidkii la dhaansanahayiyo giindhaygii maraye, Ahmigii la gawrici jiriyo gaabay adhigiiye, Goggii subagga laga buuxin jirey hataan gorofaadye, Basaas bay timihii uga go'een gaaridii dumare, Galowgiiiyo fiintii naf bay giida la hayaane, Gorgorkiyo dhurwaagii laftaad galayax mooddaaye. Garaad Faaraxiyo Maxamuud Garaad ma leh gammaankiiye, Cood kama gurxamo dooxadii garada fiicnayde, Garoowe iyo Bookh bay harraad qaar u go'ayaane, Gaajiyo rafaad bay qabaan garow la'aaneede, Ayaxii geyiga joogi jirey guuto lagu saarye, Gubniyaa hareeraha ka maray gaariyaal wada e, Geedaha sun baa loogu daray geerinaw badaye, Wax ma galabsanine maalin baa loo guddoonsadaye, Adigaaba lagu gaadayaa waadan garanayne, Guuxiyo cabaadkiyo haddaad gooha damin waydo, Quruumahakan wada geyfan baa baalka kaa guriye, Gaagaabso oo aamu yaan gaar lagaa qabane!!! The second one is TALEEX Annagoo Taleex naal jahaad taladi soo qaadnay, Toddobaatan boqol oo Darwiish togatay neef doorka, Sayidkeennu tii uu na yiri Torog ku heensaynnay. Wareegada waxay uga tawalin yaan wax kaa tegine, Sibraar caana geel loo tabcaday Talax ku sii maallay, Misna tawlka qaalmaha niniyo tulud u soo saarray. Ilaahay ha tabantaabiyee noogu tacab khayrka, Shakadaha intuu noo tamilay tiisa nagu waani, Tiirkii Rasuulkiyo sharciga toog ku wada fuullay. Galabtaa taxaabiyo kadlaba toobiyaha qaadnay, Habeenkii fardaha waw turnaye taag ku sii mirannay, Tun biciida lagu qoofalyoo xamashka loo taabay. Goortii ay Talaaduhu dhaceen talalayoo reemay, Tixda gabay kolkii aan akhriyey toosi niman jiifay, Tiraabkaygu meeshu ka baxay la isku soo tuumi. Salaaddii markii loo tukaday yaari kaga taagnay, Togga Ulasameed dooyadii horay u tuuryaynnay, Intay Timacad noo soo arkeen marada noo taage. Sengeyaal tabaadihiyo gool weerarka u tooxnay, Sidii Teyse rooboo onkoday tiririgtii yeedhay, Teeriyo Berbera qayladii tahan la waydaaray. Tiiraanyo ololkii dhulkii taani naga qaaday, Tafwareemanmaynine intaan tubay ku aanshaaday, Taambuuglayaaliyo kuway tebaysey soo gaare, Annaguna dagaal kama tagnee tiimbad ugu rooray. Tala xumada awrtuu xiray baqi tarraarsiinnay, Girligaanku meeshu turqaday lagu tu'sii geela, Tirsanmaynin uunkii tirmiyo Tulushle Iiddoore, Turjubaannadii daba socdiyo Koofi lagu toogay. Maadhiin turaabtaa ka badan tuurta kaga qaadnay, Gaaladu waxay tacab lahayd taabnay subaxaaba, Tukihii intaan niman u waray tobanle soo qaatay. Galabtaa carraabada ku timid Turugga Buuhoodle, Gebagebo u tooxnoo Kufriga Maarre kaga teednay, Habeenkaa ninkii tabar badnaa tarantarree gaarka, Habeen kalena Taxaasheey Nugaal Godan u tuuryaynnay, Habeen kalena Tuuraha Cadduur toolin kaga maallay, Habeen kalena tagaabeeye iyo tu'innay Hayllaawe, Habeen kale Dariiqada tubnoo toosan lagu qaybsay. Toban gool tabaadiga noqdiyo toban unuun-gooyo, Iyo toban tiftii hore rimayoo taawi lagu qooqshey, Iyo toban abeer tawl ahoo tikhilka qaalmooda, Iyo Toban irmaanoo aniga la igu taageeray, Iyo taan eryoon jirey kolkay toban tahaan joogto, Tookh laguma faaniyo afaan taabbud noqonayne, Intaa Xarunta soo tubay xaqaa lagu tanaadaaye. Warka Tuurre waa laga hayaa taniyo Iimeeye, Waa Xamar tarraaroo haddana taab ku sii daraye, Taltallaabsigiisiyo kadlaha tabo kalaw dheere. Kolay toban riyaad tahay adduun waydin tirayaaye, Tunkaana waan ka soo xirahayaa Timirki dheeraaye, Ma baddaa tuldaha loola kici Tuurre naaxsadaye? Tafantoofka gaalkuu u dilay waa tix geliyaaye, Suuldaan Ruunna loo tebi inaan tuuladii gubaye, Tulud uma godlaan reeruhuu tawl ka saanyadaye, Anigana tis bay galay intaan col ugu taagnaaye, Tima soohanloow Eebbahay kuma tabaaleeyo.

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SOL I understand the importance of Makkah and Madina but why QOM????

SOL I understand the importance of Makkah and Madina but why QOM????

This article by Edward Said is quite relevent to the this subject. He exposes the lack of political chioce in American by comaparing to Europe Europe Versus America by EDWARD SAID Although I have visited England dozens of times, I have never spent more than one or two weeks at a single stretch. This year, for the first time, I am in residence for almost two months at Cambridge University, where I am the guest of a college and giving a series of lectures on humanism at the university. The first thing to be said is that life here is far less stressed and hectic than it is in New York, at my university, Columbia. Perhaps this slightly relaxed pace is due in part to the fact that Great Britain is no longer a world power, but also to the salutary idea that the ancient universities here are places of reflection and study rather than economic centres for producing experts and technocrats who will serve the corporations and the state. So the post-imperial setting is a welcome environment for me, especially since the US is now in the middle of a war fever that is absolutely repellent as well as overwhelming. If you sit in Washington and have some connection to the country's power elites, the rest of the world is spread out before you like a map, inviting intervention anywhere and at any time. The tone in Europe is not only more moderate and thoughtful: it is also less abstract, more human, more complex and subtle. Certainly Europe generally and Britain in particular have a much larger and more demographically significant Muslim population, whose views are part of the debate about war in the Middle East and against terrorism. So discussion of the upcoming war against Iraq tends to reflect their opinions and their reservations a great deal more than in America, where Muslims and Arabs are already considered to be on the "other side", whatever that may mean. And being on the other side means no less than supporting Saddam Hussein and being "un-American". Both of these ideas are abhorrent to Arab and Muslim-Americans, but the idea that to be an Arab or Muslim means blind support of Saddam and Al-Qa'eda persists nonetheless. (Incidentally, I know no other country where the adjective "un" is used with the nationality as a way of designating the common enemy. No one says unSpanish or unChinese: these are uniquely American confections that claim to prove that we all "love" our country. How can one actually "love" something so abstract and imponderable as a country anyway?). The second major difference I have noticed between America and Europe is that religion and ideology play a far greater role in the former than in the latter. A recent poll taken in the United States reveals that 86 per cent of the American population believes that God loves them. There's been a lot of ranting and complaining about fanatical Islam and violent jihadists, who are thought to be a universal scourge. Of course they are, as are any fanatics who claim to do God's will and to fight his battles in his name. But what is most odd is the vast number of Christian fanatics in the US, who form the core of George Bush's support and at 60 million strong represent the single most powerful voting block in US history. Whereas church attendance is down dramatically in England it has never been higher in the United States whose strange fundamentalist Christian sects are, in my opinion, a menace to the world and furnish Bush's government with its rationale for punishing evil while righteously condemning whole populations to submission and poverty. It is the coincidence between the Christian Right and the so-called neo-conservatives in America that fuel the drive towards unilateralism, bullying, and a sense of divine mission. The neo-conservative movement began in the 70s as an anti-communist formation whose ideology was undying enmity to communism and American supremacy. "American values", now so casually trotted out as a phrase to hector the world, was invented then by people like Irving Kristoll, Norman Podhoretz, Midge Decter, and others who had once been Marxists and had converted completely (and religiously) to the other side. For all of them the unquestioning defense of Israel as a bulwark of Western democracy and civilisation against Islam and communism was a central article of faith. Many though not all the major neo-cons (as they are called) are Jewish, but under the Bush presidency they have welcomed the extra support of the Christian Right which, while it is rabidly pro-Israel, is also deeply anti-Semitic (ie these Christians -- many of them Southern Baptists -- believe that all the Jews of the world must gather in Israel so that the Messiah can come again; those Jews who convert to Christianity will be saved, the rest will be doomed to eternal perdition). It is the next generation of neo-conservatives such as Richard Perle, **** Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Condoleeza Rice, and Donald Rumsfeld who are behind the push to war against Iraq, a cause from which I very much doubt that Bush can ever be deterred. Colin Powell is too cautious a figure, too interested in saving his career, too little a man of principle to represent much of a threat to this group which is supported by the editorial pages of The Washington Post and dozens of columnists, media pundits on CNN, CBS, and NBC, as well as the national weeklies that repeat the same cliches about the need to spread American democracy and fight the good fight, no matter how many wars have to be fought all over the world. There is no trace of this sort of thing in Europe that I can detect. Nor is there that lethal combination of money and power on a vast scale that can control elections and national policy at will. Remember that George Bush spent over $200 million to get himself elected two years ago, and even Mayor Michael Bloomberg of New York spent 60 million dollars for his election: this scarcely seems like the democracy to which other nations might aspire, much less emulate. But this is accepted uncritically by what seems to be an enormous majority of Americans who equate all this with freedom and democracy, despite its obvious drawbacks. More than any other country today, the United States is controlled at a distance from most citizens; the great corporations and lobbying groups do their will with "the people's" sovereignty leaving little opportunity for real dissent or political change. Democrats and Republicans, for example, voted to give Bush a blank check for war with such enthusiasm and unquestioning loyalty as to make one doubt that there was any thought in the decision. The ideological position common to nearly everyone in the system is that America is best, its ideals perfect, its history spotless, its actions and society at the highest levels of human achievement and greatness. To argue with that -- if that is at all possible -- is to be "un-American" and guilty of the cardinal sin of anti- Americanism, which derives not from honest criticism but for hatred of the good and the pure. No wonder then that America has never had an organised Left or real opposition party as has been the case in every European country. The substance of American discourse is that it is divided into black and white, evil and good, ours and theirs. It is the task of a lifetime to make a change in that Manichean duality that seems to be set forever in an unchanging ideological dimension. And so it is for most Europeans who see America as having been their saviour and is now their protector, yet whose embrace is both encumbering and annoying at the same time. Tony Blair's wholeheartedly pro-American position therefore seems even more puzzling to an outsider like myself. I am comforted that even to his own people he seems like a humourless aberration, a European who has decided in effect to obliterate his own identity in favour of this other one, represented by the lamentable Mr Bush. I still have time to learn when it will be that Europe will come to its senses and assume the countervailing role to America that its size and history entitle it to play. Until then, the war approaches inexorably. Edward Said writes a weekly column for the Cairo-based al-Ahram.

Thanks Wadani for this two magnificent poems by the late Ismail Mire. There is another two poems by him. The first one is GUUGUULAYAHOW HADAAD GUGA U OOYAYSO (which talks about the extent of drought that hit the region) The second one is ANAGOO TALEEX NAAL JIHADII NOO TIMIDE (which he talks about how his army killed Richard Corfield or KOOFIl so if you have both or any of them please post them here and share it with us

ORIGINALLY POSTED BY JAALUUT macow diinle? qaasim hilowle? faadumo qaasim? zulfa ?mama luula, axmed shariif killer, baastow? shimaali shiikheey shimaali. Abaa waa abtirsatee Reer Xamar min samaan ila alana laakiin hal midaa ka tagtay nooh AWEES GEEDOOW lol

Thanks MMA though I have heard some of them before but some were completley new to me Ameenah to my knowledge he was lastly living in London and I have seen him in Southall many years back, he was getting very old

Let me try them tough we borrow many from Arabic but I strictly try to translate them to English though some of them are very difficult to translate into PURE Somali here they are: GOVERNMENT: MAAMUL-DALEED TEMPERATURE: HEER-KULKA FREEDOM: MADAXBANAANI SYSTEM: HAB WAX U QABASHO TRANSPORTATION: XAMUUL COMMUNICATION: XIRIIR CIRCLE: WAREEG SQUARE: AFAR-GEES TRANSLATION: TARJUMID (I thought of Somali word but could get it) SCHOOL: DUGSI STUDENT: ARDAY GOVERNER MAAMULE GOBOL

Is there any need to be racist while we witness racism in our every day life by living where we are percieved as being "the other, black, minority, muslim" and so on

I am sure this is a confusing subject and open to interpretation, myself though come across with many literature on this subject but sometimes they seem to be clearly untrue recently I have seen some new family history which are completely new to me for example the other day I was reading an article on the internet written by a Somali historian and suddenly he turned to the origins of the Somalis and believe most of the family trees he was using were completely new to me For erxample he says that all Somalis have descended a common father called HIIL I dont know whether you feel the same have a look at them and examine them Hiil wuxu dhalay Sab iyo Samaale Sab wuxuu dhalay 1. Digil : (Jiiddo, Tunni, Gelledi, Dabarre Garre) 2. Mirifle : Siyeed (Elaay. Leysaan, Eemid, Diisow, Maallan, Wiin) iyo Sagaal (Luwey, Gellidle, Yantaar, Jilible, Hbeer). Samaale wuxuu dhaley Irir Irir wuxuu dhalay : 1. Hawiye. 2. Aji. 3. Mayle (Xawaadle). 4. Yaabur (Gaaljecel iyo Dagoodiye). 5. Maqaarre. 6. Gariire. 7. Xamarre. 8. Xariire. Hawiye wuxuu dhalay : Karanle (Murursade), Gorgaate (hiraab), Gugundhabe (Baadi-cadde). Jambeelle (Ajuraan). Aji wuxuu dhalay :Dir, Dangolo. Dir wuxuu dhalay : Madaxweyne (Akishe), Mandaluug (Gadabiirsay), Madoobe (Ciise), Mahe (Isaaq, Biyamaal iyo Surre). Dangolo wuxuu dhalay gabadha la yiraahdo Doombiro. Doombiro waxaa guursadey Daarood, waxay u dhashay : Maxamed(Kablalax), Axmed(Sade), Xuseen(Tanade),Yuusuf(Awrtable) iyo Ciise.

Thanks for opening this topic I think DHOODAAN is a good poet but I would certainly not put him on the category of "ONE OF GREATEST" and I will justify it if needed. However, he is one of the best (if not the best) comedian poets we have seen especially those poems which are now classified as JACBUR and you already quoted one whihc he talka about love. Personally his JACBUR make laugh and I enjoy listening to them. Coming back to the issue of the greatest Somali poet, there is disagreement but here are some of the most popular names 1. RAAGE UGAAS (lived around 150 years ago) 2. SAYID MOHAMED ABDILLE HASSAN (died in 1921) 3. AW MUUSE ISMAACIIL (lived around 150 years ago) 4. ISMAIL MIRE (A comrade of Sayidka) 5. SALAAN CARABEY 6. QAMAAN BULXAN 7. CALI DHUUX Among all of them I would vote for ISMAIL MIRE not because I believe that he is the greatest among them but he was a religious and peaceful man and MUJAHID for the fight against British and his poems such as RAGOOW KIBIRKA WAA LAGU KUGAA and GUUGUULAYAHOW HADAAD GUGA U OOYAYSO are the best known today Sine all of these poets were from the northern portion of the Somali Peninsula, I am obliged to mention some of the southern poets. I will vote for CARAYS CIISE KAARSHE for many reasons, first he poems are contemporary and simple to understand by the young generation also he was very genius by inventing a unique way of reciting his poems which are becoming popular and are known as SAAR and lastly he preached peace in his poems

XAMAR WAA LA XUMEEYEE YAA XAAL MARIN DOONAA!!!!

Why shoot someone DARMAAN when I dont have permision only Allah can kill his creators and we are not given such powers STOP

Salam to all my fellow nomads! Indeed this is my first post here and I just want to say that it would be nice if we avoid all the issues that can divide us. Why debate only about those whcih will divide us when we can get pleny wich will unite and give us high spirit wasalam