Haatu;937183 wrote: A rubbish thread full of utter rubbish trying to create differences where there aren't any. The Somalis are one people, with one language and one culture. Haatu no one is denying that, Somalis are one people, but why ignore the diversity in culture? Some Somalis are fishermen while other are nomads, and some are semi-nomads and some are even farmers The point is that southern Somalia is diverse and its mixture of diffirent cultural sub-groups should be appreciated and not supressed.

For over 60 years the core message that have some what been institutionalized is that Somalia is a homogeneous society that is only inhabited by Somalis. This theory might be true (truly somalis are a homogeneous ethnic society) but it has some flaws. The truth is that Somalia is a diverse nation with many different cultural sub-groups. The old man Siyaad Barre Alle ha u naxariisto hated these diverse sub-groups and made his MOD-oriented government to equate somaliness with with MOD-originated culture. All anthropological text books about Somalia mentions nomadism..but those from semi-nomadic or sedimnaty or fishery lifestyle It mentions core values that somalis only[/b ]MUDUG have, nothing is mentioned about other cultural sub-groups that exist within southern Somali communities. The Somali languaged is standard is formed upon that central somali dialect. My point here is: We should see our diversity as something positive and even appreciate these cultural differences. We should also create federal states from cultural aspects rather then clan states. The Bravenese people, The Banaadiri groups, the Digil-Mirifle and Obas Unuka groups and Biymaal have some what similar cultural and social behaviour. Some would accuse me here of being a clanist for saying this, but the simple truth is that these people are some what peace-loving and have semi-nomadic and sedimentary lifestyle. So how did I come this conclusion? Interacting with other Somalis from different regions, inlaws from mudug and ofcourse friends. During my skaabalo days I lived in a large villa with many somalis from different regions of Somalia. What I noticed was the cultural differences. Those who hailed from Mudug had a habit I cant really explain.... Maybe it's a nomadic culture but If I would describe it with a word it would be "INDHOCADEYS" An example of this Indho-cadeys would for example be: Once our satellite receiver did not function... Me and another "southern" somali named Muuday knew how we would solve the problem. The Mudug guy named Xaayle (still a dear friend of mine) did not know how to fix it but for 6 hours he tried to fix the problem. He read the manual, shook the box, called his fellow mudug clans men. Despite that we told him that we knew the problem and how to fix it Rather then listening and asking he thought that it was positive thing to be "self-dependant". He took pride in fixing the problem with no help. While we southern Somalis thought his way fixing things as something negativly. We asked ourselves, why on earth does not Xaayle ask us to show him to fix the damn satelitte. To make a long story short, Xayle did indeed fix the problem after 6-7 hours. He came with a smile. Me and the another viewed hisstubburness as a sign of ignorance. Xayle was indeed stubborn but he was also a man you always could count on. That was positive mudug trait about him, but this also created problems for him. Other social cultural differences that I observed was the sense of collectivism amongst northern somali brothers. Xaayle always got in problems, and sometimes this would be physical. Xayle spent some time in prison when defended to him and unknown alcoholic clansmen when he was beaten by other non-mudug somali man. When I and Muudey talked about it, we said amongst ourselves "yaakhay, maxaa ka galay, alkooliste xun maxaas u difaacay"

A qabiilist- nomad---------Un-educated----un-political---does not know etnicism, sees clanism as a way to survie A qabilist intectual realistl-------- Educated..........very political... is pragmatic but relies on clanism to get confidence amngst the popilation. A qabilist bayzaaani...................Educated..........non-political------ is pragmatic--- relies on clanism becaouse of personal problems--- Westernised.qabilist.. Educated... very political--- is pragmatic------relies on clanism of becouse personal gains Alshabaab--------------------------------Un educated...verypolitical non-pragmatic-----relies on clanism for personal gains but rejects clanism Sooomali anti qabilist........................Educated....politcal--------------not-pagramtic-----------relies on somali ethnicity...----

Qabiiblo badan, maa "cad cad" looo bixiyay, they come in many shades sxb!

Xiiin before you speak about Marka, please tell me do you know af-marka and those who speak that language?

Uways Al-Barawi (Arabic: أُوَيس البَراوي‎) (b. 1847–1909) was a Somali scholar credited with reviving Islam in 19th century East Africa. Contents [hide] 1 Early life 2 Journey to Baghdad 3 Journey home 4 Death 5 Influence 6 See also 7 References [edit]Early life Sheikh Uways was born in Barawe on the Benadir of Somalia coast, the son of a local religious teacher. He obtained a simple elementary education in basic theological sciences, and only later furthered his studies with eminent scholars. Sheikh Uways studied the Qur'an, Qur'anic exegesis, syntax and grammar, legal principles and basic Sufism under the tutelage of one Sheikh Muhammad Tayini al-Shashi in his local vicinity. [edit]Journey to Baghdad Being a devout student of Islam and excelling in piety, the young Sheikh Uways caught the attention of his teacher who then introduced him to the Qadiriyya doctrines and, circa 1870, took him to the birthplace of that tariqah in Baghdad. This journey had a profound impact on Sheikh Uways' spiritual search and religious credibility. He studied with the eminent Qadiri, Sayyid Mustafa b. Salman al-Jilani and later claimed to have received an ijazah from his teacher, thus boosting his reputation. Despite this, B.G. Martin described his training and education as "relatively provincial, mildly uninspired, and above all conservative and conventional." Uways also made Hajj to Madinah and Makkah during this spell, which normally marks a spiritual milestone for Muslims. And truly so, his life took a drastic turnaround. [edit]Journey home In 1883, Sheikh Uways made his way back to his hometown to settle there for good. A very important journey in enhancing his reputation as a scholar was when he passed through the Hejaz, Yemen and northern Somalia. While in northern Somalia in particular, Choi Ahmed claimed through oral tradition that Shaykh Uways met the renowned Somali Qadiri Shaykh Abd al Rahman al-Zayla'i near Qulunqul right before his death and was at that time handed granted complete control of the Qadiriyya in Somalia. On the other hand, the Somali scholar Said Sheikh Samatar claims that Shaykh Uways merely visited al-Zayla'i's tomb and received a symbolic ijazah to preach. Whether or not the former or the latter claims are correct, both Choi Ahmed and Samatar imply that Shaykh Uways successfully established himself as the successor to the much revered Shaykh Abd Al-Rahman bin Ahmad al-Zayla'i. Sheikh Uways' reputation and renown preceded him by the time of his arrival back in his hometown of Baraawe. He was subsequently elevated as leader of the Qadiriyya in southern Somalia (which later became a sub-branch named after him, the Uwaysiyya), and began missionary works throughout East Africa. According to B.G. Martin, this newly-earned prominence was met with envy by the rival brotherhoods of Ahmadiya and Saalihiya, and even by some family members, according to Samatar. This intense competition for influence led Sheikh Uways to seek greener pastures, perhaps in emulation of Muhammad's hijra from Makkah to Madinah. This decision made room for further proselytizing, which in turn increased his influence. Sheikh Uways moved inland and founded Beled al-Amin (translated as "Town of Peace"), which flourished into an agricultural town. Bearing testament to his mass appeal, Samatar mentions that "nomad and farmer flocked to his community, bringing with them gifts in vast amounts of livestock and farm produce". Freed from external pressure from the Salihiyya of Sayyid Muhammad Abdullah Hassan in northern Somalia, the Sahiliyya led by Sayyid Muhammad Maaruf from the Comoros Islands, and Christian missionaries from inland Ethiopia, Uways and his followers were able to focus on proselytizing the Qadariyya. [edit]Death Sheikh Uways' influence can be felt throughout East Africa: From the islands surrounding Zanzibar to as far west as the Eastern Congo and as far south as the Tanganyika. His influence in Zanzibar alone was attributed to his close relationship with the Sultanate, two of whom he took as his Khalifah. This close relationship was established as a result of the Sultan of Zanzibar encouragement. Uways' widespread appeal is also attributed to the present circumstances of the Benadir coast, where foreign migration undermined local economic domination. The locals thought their calamity correlated with their lack of spiritual strength rather than external circumstances. Sufi orders then "provided a context for exploring these failings and proposing solutions by means of a renewed moral framework" (Reese). This phenomenon elevates the status of wadaads, where merchants subsidized activities of the wadaads. Due to the Qadiriyya's popularity (which Uways spearheaded), the Sheikh's elevated status was most felt. [edit]See also

The somali language is diverse and beautiful.., here is a song in a distinct af-marko lahjo-banaadiri song from marka. ...

Che -Guevara;934918 wrote: Underneath, Alpha is a queen. dont forget the Drama....a DRAMA-queeen lol

Ilaahay ha u naxariisto

Well said Mr Xassan. The presidents remarks is a positive thing... Have everyone forgotten that somalia is still war ravaged countrey, a year ago we had al-shabaab everywhere, lets give the president some time. All stolen property will be given back to the rightful owners. Atleast the guy acknowledged peace in somalia must be combined with returning the looted properties!

Alpha Blondy;932064 wrote: there was one such venture here in the republic but it failed. they produced a wide range of products called Ramad. they even had dutch cows and stuff. Didnt know that alpha! But the problem is that we dont eat cheese, so how do you teach people do that? Cheese inudstry/dietry requires alot of market enterprising.

Oba. and Mukulaalow.. yours requires a lot of investments, yaa haayo lacagtaas... My thoughts have been on: You have a lot of cows in somalia and milk, just ferment it and you have cheese!

Oba, Thats really not an arguement to back those orchs of invaders from the time of indhacade. If things are going like this, I wonder who they will appoint for Baraawe? Baashi said before in another thread, koonfurta is complex, with a different culture and diverse people. But these groups know each other and saaxib no orch deserves to be appointed just of clan-power. Meesha cadalaad in ey ka jirto muhiim waaaye or else, we would go back to the times of the 90-ties.

xiinfaniin;931843 wrote: The city of Aw Osman will overcome the legacy civil war, and the locals will regain their authority ---this is the way of Allah Xiin did you forget to include the city of Cali mayeh? Merka has seen a lot and what we need today is the eviction of the HAG that occupied the city since the 1991 The indigenous inhabitants are known and can form a local maamul

Naxar Nugaaleed;931201 wrote: the separation of mosque and state, is not only good for the state, the people but also the mosque itself. the clergy can devote their time to spiritual guidance and not worry about political demagogues. and politicians can focus on public service rather the whims of religious demagogues 1+ xaaji!

Did you guess it right? It has been in the hot deserts of Libya... in the dramatic scenes of Syria... But it began its life in Somalia.... The technical must be the most succsessfull somali invention in term of it use abroad. According to wikipedia the definition of the term TEEKNIKO is " a vehicle originated in Somalia in the early 1990s. Barred from bringing in private security, non-governmental organizations hired local gunmen to protect their personnel, using money defined as "technical assistance grants". Eventually the term broadened to include any vehicle carrying armed men.[1] Technicals have also been referred to as battlewagons, gunwagons,[2] or gunships. Sorry lads if you expected a APPLE gadget, But what did you expect

Somalia is a diverse nation, with atheists, christians, and why not buddhists also ? Who knows if one bizarre somali went to China and decided to be a buddhist? My point is that apostasy has always existed. One of the most dearest companions to the prophet, Cubayd-Allah ibn Jaxsh died as an apostate. He saw prophet and became an early convert He then migrated to Xabasha and became a christian. So the point is.. if apostates existed at the time of the prophet (pbuh) why should they not exist now? So, maxaan sameynaa? What should be done about those "horrible" somalis? Well, we could invite them back to islam by good guidance and brotherly love. They might be amongst our closest kin, show them the good in islam. Maybe with God's help they might be guided, and if not well the judgement is to God. Or what do you guys think? Should we do an al-shabaab style inquisitions in Somalia?

Ilaahay ha nagu anfaco subac... Jacpher, I guess you love axmadiya (idrisiya) xadro if you love subac... You know that they only do those xadrooyinka with the quran and nothing else? Baaba suufi wayn maa ahayd?

Obas sammanfattning är en rätt bra analys över läget i Syrien. Två block strider mot varandra. De som är emot imperialistisk politik (Assad Iran Hizbulla) triangel och de som är för gulfstaterna. Men oba kan vi verkligen klandra dem för motståndet dem gör? 40 år av dikatoriskt bathistiskt ( snarare alawitisk-klan) styre är ett recept för ett uppror? Det som slår mig i alla fall är Irans dubbelspel. De kallade egyptiens uppror för "islamisk resning*" men det syriska folkets uppror som "onda väpnade grupper". All I can say that it´s a nasty civil war, I dont see either side as legitimate. The sad story is that the state of syria is today totally destroyed.

Stop studying/working and start planning to be a warlord:D

Gabar asalkeedu Soomaali yahay oo u sharraxan hogaanka sare ee hay'ada ganacsiga aduunka Axad, March 24, 2013 (HOL) - Aamina Maxamed oo haysata dhalashada dalka Kenya, asalkeeduna Soomaali yahay ayaa dawlada Kenya ay u sharraxday inuu hogaamiso ururka ganacsiga aduunka ee la yiraahdo World Trade Organization (WTO).Aamina Maxamed waa dublamaasiyad u dhalatay Kenya asal ahaanna kasoo jeeda Soomaali Haweenaydan oo ah dublamaasiyad caan ah ayaa ballanqaaday inay qaadi doonto tallaabooyin ay ku hormarinayso hay'ada Ganacsiga aduunka. Waxayna sheegtay inay xooga saari doonto sidii loo balaarin lahaa ururkan ayna uga mid noqon lahaayeen xubno cusub si uu u noqdo hay'ad ay ka dhex muuqdaan dhammaan wadamada caalamku sida lagu sheegay warsaxaafadeed kasoo baxay wasaarada arriimaha dibadda ee Kenya oo soo xigtay fariin ay jeedisay Aamina. Xilka aamina ay u sharraxantahay waxaa u taagan 8 musharrax oo iyadu kamid tahay kuwaasoo kala ah: Alan John Kwadwo Kyerematen oo u dhashay (Ghana), Anabel Gonzalez (Costa Rica), Mari Elka Pangestu (Indonesia), Tim Groser (New Zealand), Ahmad Thougan Hidawi (Jordan), Herminio Blanco (Mexico), Taeho Bark (South Korea) iyo Roberto Carvalho de Azevedo (Brazil). Aamina ayaa ballanqaaday inay diiradda saari doonto koboca dhaqaalaha, ciribtirka shaqo la'aanta, ilaalinta deegaanka gaar ahaana sii kululaanshiyaha cimilada iyo adkaynta helitaanka cunooyinka aasaasiga ah ee dadweynaha aduunyada. “La'aanshaha siyaasad ganacsi oo fadhida waxay khatar ku tahay sumcada hay'ada ganacsiga aduunka oo ah hay'ad looga fadhiyo soo celinta koboca dhaqaale iyo kasoo kabashada burburkii dhaqaalaha aduunyada" ayay ku tiri qoraal ay jeedisay. Wasaarada arrimaha dibadda ee Kenya ayaa sheegtay in Aamina ay haatan socdaal ku marayso qaar kamid ah wadamada Yurub iyo Asia si ay uga hesho taageero siyaasadeed. Haweenaydan ayaa kasoo qabatay dalka Kenya jagooyin kala duwan, waxayna haatan tahay safiiradda Kenya u joogta xarunta qaramada midoobay ee Geneva. Waxay kaloo haysaa xilka ku xigeenka madaxa Hay’adda UNEP ee fadhigeedu yahay magaalada Nairobi. Aamina Maxamed ayaa ah haweenaydii ugu horreysay oo asal ahaan Soomaali ah u tartanta jago caalami ah, haday ku guulaysatana waxay noqonaysaa haweenaydii ugu horreysay oo Afrika kasoo jeeda oo qabata xilkaas. Axmed C/samad, Hiiraan Online asamad@hiiraan

Samaad

good riddance, ninka dadka xoog wehbiyaasha marka iyo baraawe ka gadi jiray soomaha. indhodhace was serpent of all somali warlords. Since maxamed dheere was in prisoned why not him also.

Oba, For the sake of peace, Why not rotate amongst all somalis As a banaadiri I am willing that not only and me are those proposed to contend mayor ship of Mogadishu. Wallaahi , I dont care weather he is from Laas qoray-Ras Karboni, As long as he has aMasters in City planning, he shuld be the best candidate for the prost. All born bred Somalis regardless of clan affiliation should be allowed to have that seat. It is after all the capital of Somalia. ¨Sure Demographics change, it will sure change for those 1 million banadiris today living in diaspora around the world. Once they they return who will be in majority?