The thread was an open discussion for serious discussion, not a pie throwing game. Tallaabo here is an old video/documentary about the in early 1980, It shows how the guerrillas had their own medical clinics, schools and marxist training political educational programs. Women played a central part of the liberation fighters. I am not eulogizing a Tigree movement but they did it with no formal state based support (Somalia ofcourse supported them , mostly by giving it's leaders diplomatic passports). But something went wrong in other parts of Ethiopia. The struggle died down in the east. Why?

If this is true it is a major shift in somali politics. Accountability for murder and mayhem is the key to peace.

Rice and meat combined with banana must be a somali invention. Hey it is better then the tiikniko, it does not kill people;)

Mad_Mullah;977769 wrote: First of all the Eritreans fought while the Habesha Ethiopian groups fought as well. So the falling government had two fights to battle. Oromos and Afars can't be taken seriously, the Afars are desert people that don't fight and the Oromos are peasants. They are by far the largest group in Ethiopia and could easily take over. Yet they prefer to traffic themselves to Bosaso and then Yemen. Also read this: ] Mad Mullah, historical facts did not answer the question. Meesha wax lee ka jiro. In order to be effective we need critical thinking and feedback. Been yaanan lisku sheegin.

Kolley sheekada shirka turkiga wey dhamaatay, When three men were sitting under the desk that said "somali president". Faroole, xassan shaykh and those ahlusunna guys". The Turks were probably saying "what is it with these dark people., who is the president". Hope the government gets all the support it needs from EU. These meetings and the recognition from Washington and London means that FGS here to stay but one critical question remains. Wax kasto dhamaad ey leeyihiin, what will happen when dollars stops to roll in for Moseveni in Kampala and Amisom withdraws.? These cosy pictures does not change the situation in Somalia, we have a entitity saying that they do not belong to Somalia, we have a puntland saying that they do not accept FGS, and of course we have our own crazy taliban/al-shabaab blowing up things, and then we have people whose intrest is simply not see law and order in Mogadishu. Big questions for Xassan Shaykh to answer.

I invited was invited to a dinner today by a dear friend to me, an engineer by profession He has always been one of those friends you could talk hours without getting bored.. We talked about memories and things that friends do. As we are both married we talked bout how we in our younger days would exchange the phone numbers or the msn of loose but sweet xalimos. I reminded him of an incident when he wanted to be alone in my apartment and I refused, I said this loudly and h quickly pinched me because his wife was making the tea in the kitchen. I hope she did not hear my comment. I know ho women can influence men's choice of friends. Anaaba dad si xoog liga reebay. While I am from Mogadishu my friend was born and raised deep in the somali region of Ethiopia. He knew that i wanted t go Mogadishu for Ramadan this year but I could not because of personal reasons. But my friend with his chain-smoking beyzaani attitude said he could fast in Yurub so he went to Somali region of Ethiopia. He told me about a lot of developments but he also said that the region in comparison with other regions of Ethiopia was the lest developed. He also noticed that federal structure of Ethiopia was a theater but I told him with a firm conviction that this was not new news. Everyone knew this but he then replied " Laakin Gaadifyow, you get a strange feeling when you see all the yoth depressed and having a feeling that they have no future in a countrey that they feel they do not belong to". Becouse of his academical background he quickly noticed that the universaties in Ethiopia was in Amharic and that somalis in that region was one of those ethnic groups that never bother to learn amharic. In other words he described a people that faced Soomaliya and Keenya for buisness and education then in Ethiopia. Without being melo-dramatic some of friends say I am that's the quote that shocked me, What's really happening in that region and why have the regime in Addis closed the whole region from investors and even from human rights groups?. The dinner went fine and we drifted away from politics. He told me that after the afur their were long khat-sessions and that he enjoyed himself. I then asked him a rather private question but he then quickly again pinched me. I went home and I got home and parked my car I saw my neighbor a very short Eritrean man, I greeted him and felt some joy looking down on him (literally because of his shortness). I love that I am tall and feel exited when I stand in-front of a short guy! Yaab maahinow! Try it out. I greeted my wife and reflected about the day The great food my friends wife prepared and how his trip was. I then remembered my short Eritrean neighbor. Despite his people being short and only 4 million his people archived liberation and defeated an army that Somalis in the region could not. So what went wrong? Who am I looking down on that short man when his other short comrades achieved something tall somalis did not Nin walbo xornimadiisa asagaa aa gacantiisa ku haayo. The desire for freedom lies within the individual. Enough said but a perfect example that our somali brothers in Jigjiga doolow and Dire Dawa could have in their struggle is how a small band of Eritrean hard-core well trained political educated guerrillas defeated and humiliated one of the best armed governments of Africa. The Eritrean had their luck of history (mengistu lost the support from Moscow in 1991 while the somalis in kilil 5 lost or got engaged in a vicious Somali civil war in Somalia) but still (Mengistu) was not able to defeat the EPLF early 80-ties. Note that the EPLF was composed by muslim eritreans (ELF) and christian tigrayans. They were from different ethnic backgrounds and some did not even have a common language to communicate within themselves. They of course did not want to use the hated Amharic. While the EPLF regrouped and repelled the offensive mengistu conducted the somalis under WSLF or ONLF or what ever name was not successful in liberating one inch of that land. Some would in hurry answer that the TPLF and EPLF worked together and that is why Eritrea got it's independence. Isayas and Meles were both from the same ethnic group. Well this might be true but the same appliedto the WSLF at that time, They were in alliance with the soomali aabow or Oromo liberation front and Afar liberation front.. So using this as an arguement is not valid. The solers from Somali region in Ethiopia have some serious questions to answer, . My personal theory is that Jaale Siyaad (alle ha u naxariisto) intervened so roughly that the somalis in the region never had a chance regroup themselves decide their destiny. After the defeat in 1978 they simply went to Mogadishu, why fight when you had your Somali brothers in Somalia you could flee to? We have a banadiri proverb that goes like , nin mininkiisa meel ku haynin maxaas dad u sheega?. But one question remains that I asked earlier, what went so perfectly good in Eritrea but so wrong in Dire Dawa and Jigjiga. Maybe Abtigiis Zack or others could put their comment on this issue, kilinka ayaamahan maxaa ka socdo?

A poem composed by a famous somali shaykh goes like "Maxabatu Fardun calayna" ( the love to him is an privileged obligation). Some people today pray and performe the rituals of Islam but no one has reached faith if we do not love the messenger more then our mothers and fathers. God even confirmed the prophet's faith when he said that he was sent to us as a mercy, meaning that loving him leads to blessings. Marka Maxabbada nabiga qalbigeena ha nagu badiyo.

Mad_Mullah;977520 wrote: hit and run is still ongoing. Chinese still can't work on the gas situation in OG-land. Mad Mullah; nin walbo xornimadiisa asagaa aa gacantiisa ku haayo. The desire for freedom lies within the individual. Enough said but a perfect example that our somali brothers in Jigjiga doolow and Dire Dawa could have in their struggle is how a small band of Eritrean hard-core well trained political educated guerrillas defeated and humiliated one of the best armed governments of Africa. The Eritrean had their luck of history (mengistu lost the support from Moscow in 1991 while the OG lost or got engeaged in a vicous somali civil war in Somalia) but still he (Mengistu) was not able to defeat the EPLF early 80-ties. Note that the EPLF was composed by muslim eritreans (ELF) and christian tigrayans. They were from diffirent ethnic backgrounds and some did not even have a common language to communicate within themselves. They ofcourse did not want to use the hated amharic. While the EPLF regrouped and repelled the offensive mengistu conducted the OG or Somali region at that time WSLF was not succsesfull in llberating one inch of OG. Some would in hurry answer that the TPLF and EPLF worked together and thats why Eritrea got it's independence. Well this might be true but the same applies to the OG or WSLF at that time, They were in alliance with the soomali aabow or Oromo liberation front and Afar liberation front. Zack and Mad Mullah have some serious questions to answer, . My personal theory is that Jaale Siyaad (alle ha u naxariisto) intervened so roughly that the somalis in the region never had a chance regroup themselves decide theire destiny. After the defeat in 1978 they simply went to Mogadishu, why fight when you had your Somali brothers in Somalia you could flee to? But Mad Mullah we have a banadiri proverb that goes like , nin mininkiisa meel ku haynin maxaas dad u sheega? Those OG-fighers who are still fighting are in my eyes not sell-outs, but those who made a deal with Malas plus the famous Itixaad wadaads are a shame to that community. Kolley dhulkaas marka ey dadka ka imaaday ey ka tashadaan aa xal laga hela. As long as somalis are divided amongst clan lines their will be no separate somali region. Even so, the future is bleak, a somali government guarded by ethiopian supported amison army is not in the best intrest of somali seperatists in Ethiopia. Neither is the support from a vindictive Isayas of Eritrea. But one question remains that I asked earlier, what went so perfectly good in Eritrea but so wrong in Dire Dawa and Jigjiga. Maybe Abtigiis could put his comment on this issue, kilinka ayaamahan maxaa ka socdo?

Time to cultivate those land, If only somalis understood the beauty and resourcefullnes our land. We could use the livestock of the north and the agriculture from the south and the fish from the sea. All these combined would make us rich rather then today, waiting on the ATM and getting and heartattack seeing the few houndred dollars we get from the ceerta.

Man_Mullah, I really do not have any comment to your bigoted attitude, calling those who spread islam in somalia and deep in to the horn of Africa with deep wisdom and patience as"sufi nonsense". Whats the "the fake" story that I mentioned sxb. One thing I do not do is speak of things that I have no knowlidge of, you should also take that example. This story is widely accepted in orthodox sunni teachings. Even the scholar Ibn Tayymiya and his student Ibn Qayim acknowledged the existence of karamaat (divine intervention among pious believers). Even Imaam Taxaawi said in his book (the universal accepted sunni codex of theology) said that karamaat is part of our faith. An example of an karamaat that Siid-Cumar Faaruq (rc) made in his life is of-course when he from his minbar in Madina warned the army of Qaadisiya in Iran, should we reject that also? The main point of my post if you read it again is to show how Paul was misled by satan while our Shaykh withheld the divine law and rejected satans temptations. That is how simple Paul misled Christanity. nBy the way Mad mullah I think should stick to your other thread about morrocan music:D Baaba suufiyaasha dhibka dhaaf, Roccalittoria, dadkaasi adi ma aragtay? Hadaadna aragtay those people are utterly wrong, simple as that. Coofle: Well said, yet again though, I could have formulated the thread better but my point was how one single man, Paulwas misled by satan while our noble shaykh stood fast upon the divine law.

Juxa;976027 wrote: Don't dismiss the locals so easily. They do study hard and try to further their opportunities. The diaspora returnees are often odayaal, did nothing whilst in the west and now have cushy jobs because of qabiil. Who do you think the educated and the qualified work for? A punch of non qualified qasaaro-joog Having said that the qurbo joog should live like locals and not segregate themselves. This will keep the living costs down and thus the resentment. I will be emailing the afhayeen. Run sheeg waa ceeb sheeg +1. Thats the truth, most of those returning are often single mothers with 5 children and a small scale of of politican wannabes

All Somalis have heard of the Sayyid Cabdul-Qaadir Jeylaani. (qadasallahu sirrahu) We have heard our Islamic scholars talk about him and seen and heard the islamic students (xerowyaasha) chanting his eulogies in the dusty semi-desert plains of Somalia. I will not dwell into the history of this friend of Allah but I will illustrate a beautiful short story that highlights the difference between those who have truly attained the firm belief in God and those who claim in it. Within the eternal struggle in the inner dimensions of of every human being their is a constant struggle between evil and good. God says in the Quran: ”By the Soul, and the proportion and order given to it; And its enlightenment as to its wrong and its right;- Truly he succeeds that purifies it, And he fails that corrupts it!” (Qur’an 91: 7-10) For those materialists in this forum who only believe in what they can see or hear or sense., Those who are limited to believe only on their own perceptions their will be another thread to them. But for those who truly believe beyond this realm I hope that this short story will show the un-unshakable faith that the friend of God took when he was tested by God in comparison with the christian Apostle Paul. The Munaaqib of the Shaykh teaches us that once, the Sayyid was teaching the prestigious darul-Hikma of Baghdaad. He saw one of the most learned scholars of his time and thousands of students but the shaykh (nafcallahu bih) felt that something was missing in his inner dimension. He felt that he was yearning for God and asked the sultan the appoint someone else as the grand shaykh. The Sultan suprised by this asked Cabdul-Qaadir and said him " Yaa Cabdal-Qaadir, we have benefied from you, why is it so that you want to leave this honorable post. The Shaykh answerd : "What is the point ya khalifatul muslimin for me to be here while their are other knowledge persons that can replace me? The Sultan answered and finally gave Cabdul-Qaadir his permission to spread the call of God. One cold night in the deserts of Iraq while Sayyid Cabdul-Qaadir was all alone making dhikr and big cloud opened up for him. He saw a shining light (but it was really a hidden demon) speaking to him and saying "oh Cabdul-Qaadir, I am your lord and I have revealed you from all of your duties from Islam" The Sayyid answered with no fear his beloved tongue " shut up oh enemy of God" The light in the heavens then replied "Oh Abdul-Qaadir, I fooled many before you, but I could not deceive you". The Sayid then answered " Shut up once again, You did not fool me by strength, you could not fool because of God only not because of my wisdom or strength" Another similar story happened to Apostle Paul, in his words he says in the new testament "I saw a light calling upon me and and telling me that Jesus is the lord and son of God. Paul continued saying that the light continued and saying we made it lawful for you what was not before lawful before Jesus". See the difference between of Paul and Abdul-qaadir. Whil Cabdul-qaadir was not fooled by satan while Paul failed. Such character was the friend of God, waliyullah Sheekh Cabdul-Qaadir Jeylaaani alle ha u naxariisti, acmaalkiisna aan ku anfacno, Rabbina ha naga aqbalo tawasulkiisa. God knowes best.

Carafaat;974936 wrote: Federalism is supposes to safeguard some kind of independence, authonomy and souvereignity from one another. But Somalis use federalism(read clan) to intervere in diffrent and eachothers regions. Garowe intervering in Kismayo, Mudug in Merka, Baidoa in Baardhere, Jowhar folks in Jubba. Even Farooles wants a piece of Kismayo. So who wants Federalism? Thats the question of the day ya Carafaat, what does federalism exactly mean and is it applicable in it's somali definition [clan-states} Talaabo: I dont know but that north-eastern entity has de-defacto independence, They have their own foreign policy and their own rules. So what would they gain practically by declaring independence? Zero, same thing with enclave in Hargeysa. Waving a flag and creating a local currency has shown ues previously that it does not change a thing. Kismaayu was just the beginning, We are going to see worse land-grabbing these months to come, and to spike the wheel with more fuel: When the cash from west dries up just as it did to the late Melez what will happen of the SFG when the ugandan tanks roll home to Kampala. Saaxibyaal, we need true reconciliation based upon mutual interest and common values rather then the magical mantra frenzy called Federalism. We can lock us in ourselves in a room and repeat that mantra 100 times but a quick exit from the room will not change the gloomy reality.

Maskiin; Yaa og daris mar kale in aan noqono aaba dhicikarto , siyaasadna qabyaaladeysan tabar yaa u haayo yaakhay! Haatu well said, we Somalis need to be honest to each other, I would love to hear from sols political pundits about their own definition of the federalism mantra and the life support machinery of the ugandan tanks. How will federal states be built in the south where many regions are of diverse mixed clans? Would that not create more land-grabbing and conflict?

wyre;974860 wrote: His name please Wyre you know him;) The guy loves wealth and if you listen to him he loves to speak somali with a some what arabized dialect in order to make himself more "pious" or learned. Che: +1! Well said! I hope that the muslim world wakes up and truly deals with those abuse other all in the name of God. But Wahabism did not begin today. During the times of the beloved one, peace be upon him, a man whome everyone thought to be pious said to the prophet "Oh Muhammed, be just". The prophet always merciful answered "If I do not make justice who then will be just"? He warned that sedition would come from the followers of that man. During the times of Siid Cali, a group openly said to him "You do not rule by God". He was ultimately martyred by them. The Amman message, where over 2000 muslim scholars condemned takfirism is a good starter I hope that we adopt that proclaimation.

Maskiin, Off-topic . But why is she having a little dog? Eeyga aanba la yaabay. and if you do have a dog why have a leish on it when your in a room?

Jacpher;974808 wrote: ^What do you know about Salafi. I guess to you, whatever every monkey that does whatever it is they do in the name of salafi, makes all the salafis the 'mother of takfiirism' Jacpher you need to smell the coffe and understand that Salafismlim/Wahabism, a movement that started with Ine Cabdul-Wahaab of najd is the mother of takfirsm. They blended with old kharijism (ex-communicating) muss and then started to raid Xajj-caravans. Claiming that everyone expect themwere infidels. They even destroyed historical sites of Islam.

I am a guy who loves metaphors. They simplify complex problems that people just love to ignore. Suppose that a screaming patient comes into the hospital. Bewildered doctors and nurses rushes to the patient and sees that he has a big axe in the head. The blood just flowes out of the patients head. The shocked doctor asks the patient "are you okay"?. The patient then calmly answers that he has some pain in the foot. The nursers and doctors then says "but hey you have BIG axe in the head" The patient then says *"oh well that not a problem just give me some pain-killers for my foot ache". He then grabs some pills and just walks away. It's has gone 11 years now since a federal structured government was restored in the peace-talks of Nayroobi. We all remember the actors of that game. Actors that today are out dated in Somalias politcal theater. The warlords whome for more then two years assembled literally in abandoned pig-farm house elected the late somali president and strongman Cabdullaahi Yuusuf (Alle ha u naxariisto) as president. While some were skeptical (I am included in that list) others were rejoicing and thought that Soomaliya was returning to its pre 1991- "glory times". The old man, Cabdullahi Yusuf (AUN) knew that his fate was doomed in Mogadishu if he did not have Ethiopian backing and so did his opponents, the warlords of Mogadishu. What would they gain from "government". As Ngonge put it so nicely, Everything is about intrests. It was not in their interest to have a strong man in Mogadishu. Then came actors from a completely different game. Islamic neo-militants forced the warlords out and begun politicized Islam that Somalis never has seen. The drums of war begun and we saw Ethiopian tanks rolling into the streets of Mogadishu, Ironically they made their head-quarters in a building where Somalis in 1977 were planning war-strategies for for he occupation of eastern Ethiopia or Addis Abeba. That had to be lowest point for any Somali nationalist. Days became into years and the Ethiopians without the cash from the War-mongers of Washington simply went away. Enough said about the history whats more interesting is what the difference between government of Cabdullaahi Yuusuf and Xassan Sheekh Maxamuud. One had the life-support of Ethiopian tanks and the other Ugandan tanks. Whats more interesting is can the government survive without the Ugandan tanks?. Returning the earlier metaphor, the patient is of course Soomaliya. While everyone today is repeating the magic mantra of "federalism" no one can clearly define it. That's the big axe in the story. We all heard and saw the story of kismaayu. Where Xassan Sheekh defined federalism in his way and others in another way. The issue was finally settled not by the legitimate government of Soomaliya. It was defined and solved in some murky room of an IGAAD-meeting. Whats clear and without doubt is that those advocating for magical mantra of Federalism are actually creating a murky no one knowes what loose based balcanised clan-states. Let's be honest and start discussing that instead of ignoring the big AXE in the patients head.

This is horrible and outrageous. These monsters has no understanding of the correct islamic concept of the holiness of life in Islam. God forbid us to commit suicide because life in it's self is holy and it is he only who has given us life and he only can take it. If life is so sacred what about murder? The Koran speaks about the sacredness of life. God tells us that a life taken unjustly is as if you have killed all of humanity. By the way if these beasts say that they belive in Islam where has the correct understanding of the after life gone?. All of gods creatures will be judged in the after life so why not leave it to Allah? Hobbessian your aggressive atheism is a choice you made, We all make choices in life. A wise sufi scholar said once to a rabid mulxid/atheist: If your correct in your atheism (meaning theire is no god) then their is no harm for me after death. But if your wrong, Then you are in in great danger. Wahabism/Salafism has to be the greatest dangers facing Sunni-Islam. With it's takfirism and hostile attitude towards islamic spiritualism (sufism) It is going to make a meltdown in the Islamic world. Before the spread of wahabism Islam was purely a religion that engaged society with it's sprituality. It took care about the orphans and spread deep seated moral values of love and friendship. In the desert plains of 1900-century Soomaliya the wadaad (caalim) was the the only one who had free passage between different feuding hostile clans. The wadaad had codex not to involve himself in the never ending clan warfare We had xer-communities were the orphans and the poor made settlements in southern fertile somaliya. They were given food and security by the locals. In return they would recite the quran for the locals and pray for them. If someone was sick it was the wadaad who would be the medicine man. The only -non clan institution in Soomaliya was in those religous settlements in Baardheere. Please correct me if I am wrong on this point. But times do change. From the humble wadaad we have gone to a a wadaad on a tiikniko and ak-47. Killing and fighting all in the name of God and ofcourse for political power. Amiir Godane thinks he only is some kind of God's messenger that has a divine right to rule all of Somalis. And if someone disobeys or dis-agrees with his sect then ofcourse God has permitted him to kill him. Being a Wadaad has also become some kind of buisness. If you turn on random Somali TV you will see a wadaad speaking about all things from science to mathematics and political matters. I remember during 2006-2007 in Nayroobi, a certain famous Somali Wadaad accused then somali government of being apostates and everyone working for them. At the same time he was flirting with Kenyan kikuyo government. After wide spread criqiue he flip-flopped and turned on his al-shabaab wahabi students. No one noticed it and no one dared to question him. Who can do that? After all he is a wadaad Johnny B. Dem här monstren är politiserade o-andliga människor som rättfärdigar sina handlingar i Guds namn. Om du studerar dem noga så kommer du se att dem är långt ifrån det andliga inom Islam. dvs det som bäst definerar en religion. Jag skulle nog beskriva dem islamistiska kommunister. Det låter konstigt eftersom det är motstridiga begrepp men hela deras världsbild är politiserad. Efter socialismen fall så har det blivit populärt med att blanda gamla vänster-retrorik med kryddade religösa termer.

No wonder why Iranians are so hostile to the US-foregin policy in the middle east. What would americans feel if they got know that Iranian agents in Washington were plotting to overthrow Obama. Same thing with Allende government in Chile, they overthrew a democratic elected socialist government.

Haatu;973996 wrote: They aren't salafi. Haatu do you feel hurt becouse you have some bias for that deviated sect?. What does Al.shabaab, alqaida in iraq, alqaida in syria have in common? They all hail from the salafi-wahabbiya sect that is known to have takfirism.

Juxa you nailed it but whats more worse is that somalia has no other basic medical health providers. A somali can now literally die from diseases that would easily be treated. This wake-up call to the SFG & somali people.

Hobessian, we all want a Somalia on it's own feet, but why do you want the poor somalis, those without the money those who are forced to seek medical care from MSF to die What would you do if you were among those many somalis who have no other alternative then to seek medical care from MSF? Your a gaal but to be honest even the gaalo has more mercy then you. Ninkaani is a freaking troll-

Carafaat;973196 wrote: Another great dance song from Farax Murtiinle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=k21M6HdmHKU#at=19 " frameborder="0" allowfullscreen> Loved that song. The guy is a funny singer!

Are we being proud of a Somali denying aid from his other Somali brother while we actually live in the luxury of the west. Waxyaalo laga yax-yaxo aa jiro, Why politicize aid from a legitimate federal government to regions of Somalia. Think about those danyar people, the children and the old who are literally being affected by drought.