Your women are being raped with impunity and here instead of expressing outrage you are calling the report from such a reputable organisation a propaganda. And also you want us to take the words of the robber-in-chief of Koonfuria and his mafia inner circle as a quranic truth!! You are one hell of a deluded man.

<cite> @DoctorKenney said:</cite> That's very true. We have Centralists vs Federalists. Secessionists vs Unionists. Seculars vs Islamists. Socialists vs Free Market types. And then we have Tribalism thrown in the mix. The divisions are very real and I hope we can overcome this. You have forgotten the extremists vs moderates, the traditionalists vs modernists, the patriarchalists vs feminists, the reer miyi vs reer magaal, the local vs the dayuusbaro :-D

<cite> @Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar said:</cite> Haye Yaabane, wali 'halgankaaga' ma wadaa? Laakiin qoraalkaaga boggaan ku qoran inaa the tabloid Daily Mail kasoo guurisay u egtahay. 'Illegal immigrant' iyo waxaas maxee yihiin. Teeda kale kuwa Soomaalida ahayn maxaa ugu soo dartay? He is doing Somalis a favour. Before our good girls are married to any farah, this thread should checked. It is a vital database.

<cite> @DoctorKenney said:</cite> Do you think there's a way for Parliament to use their powers to render this President a "lame duck" ?? Sometimes when a Leader is so bad at his job, Parliament uses their power to strip him of his powers completely.....so that he becomes President in name only. I know that's what happened to the Mayor of Toronto Rob Ford. He kept smoking drugs on the job so the City Council removed him of his power No they can't do that as they will be assassinated one by one before any vote takes place.

But we are a reflection of the Somali people. If we cannot agree on anything here as is always the case, then how can we expect the wider Somali society to be any different?

<cite> @Alpha Blondy said:</cite> there's far too many insults flying around. unfortunately, they're mostly targeted towards Alpha. this shouldn't come as a surprise. the islamist zealots like Kenny, measure their faith by the length of their beards. it is exactly this sort of mindset that breeds extremist tendencies, which is sending hundreds of ethnic Somalis to their death bed fighting some bogeyman and for something so far removed from their own historical trajectories. this is a shame. this is what we're fighting against. our children are being polluted with this extremist wahabism. we'll not tolerate it and we'll fight to save our community against their perverse sickness. they say, in Islam, there's no compulsion but the likes of Kenny want to force feed this nonsense, acting as judge, jury and executioner on earth. they have already claimed the lives of millions in the name of this perversity but we'll not hesitate to speak against such sickness. we'll not hesitate to fight against its spread. Tallabo, you're just little habar qaloocite and a little poof. HSkW, abti. Forget about my "poofness" niyow, I am seriously concerned about you. Are you calling extremism sickness(which is something we would agree on) or is that an insult against the religion of Islam?

But imagine a parliament occupied by the SOLers here!! Could it achieve anything or held anyone to account?

DrK what if the SOLers here were to replace all the MPs in Mogadishu? Do you think we could get anything done given our deep divisions in politics, religion, ideology, etc?

<cite> @Khayr said:</cite> How can he ever engage you in a discussion (Bill Bob aka Abdullah Abdul) when you act and behave like a Demagogue by deliberately trying to negate anything he says witu your abhorent biase and fear mongering of anything faith-based. All you have shown so far is how beligerant and intolerant "Liberal Internet Trollers" are. Just a bunch of privilged a##wholes that are self righteous with their overly dogmatic anti- religious secular-liberalism. I thought you were a "mumin" so what is this foul language? :-D I can smell hypocrisy.

<cite> @DoctorKenney said:</cite> You're repeating the exact same argument that Tallaabo made, and I already made a response to that. So....do you want me to copy/paste my posts again, or would you prefer to just scroll up and read what I already posted? Would that be too difficult for you? Actually you are the one who is going in circles :-D

<cite> @Khayr said:</cite> I really can't fathom how you associate yourself with being muslim at all. Your comments sound like something that Abdullah ibn Ubayy would say and his likes. No I don't associate with your extremism and naked hypocrisy.

It is just outrageous that those spineless men whose daughters, wives, and mothers are raped with impunity in front of them by the AIDS ridden Bantu mercenaries have the audacity to claim to rule Somaliland.

<cite> @DoctorKenney said:</cite> Using your backwards logic, we should also worship "Zeus" (ancient Greek god) or "Mars" (ancient Roman god) or "Fir'awn" (ancient Egyptian Pharaoh who was mentioned in the Quran and who actually had the arrogance to command his citizens to worship him). Allah has been worshiped in every society, and Allah has sent Prophets and Messengers to every single country, including Somalia. Only 25 Prophets were mentioned in the Quran, but there were thousands of more Prophets who were never mentioned and we don't know their names. But every single Prophet commanded his people to worship Allah Alone, to be conscious of your Lord, to prepare for your inevitable Meeting with your Lord, and to have a righteous character and to obey Him. This is without exception, and even the earliest archaeological records prove the Islamic belief that Allah has sent Prophets to every nation and society on Earth, at some point in time. Everywhere from Australia to Somalia to Mexico to Russia, etc. So if our ancient forefathers were monotheists who worshiped "Waaq", or whatever they wanted to call Him, then so be it. Good for them, mashaAllah. The Hebrews refer to Allah as "Elohim". The Christians refer to Allah as "Jehovah". I'm sure the Turks and the Pakis and the French also have their own unique word to refer to God, based on their language. What "name" you call God is irrelevant (as it varies based on the language), as long as you're referring to the same Creator, the same God who you worship Alone with no partners. This is basic Islamic theology and you're actually brain-dead if you're not aware of this at the age of 30 Your parents should be ashamed of themselves. Quran 12:40 "You worship not besides Him except [mere] names you have named them, you and your fathers, for which Allah has sent down no authority. Legislation is not but for Allah . He has commanded that you worship not except Him. That is the correct religion, but most of the people do not know." Quran 6:161 "Say, "Indeed, my Lord has guided me to a straight path - a correct religion - the way of Abraham, inclining toward truth. And he was not among those who associated others with Allah." Take a look at Egypt and Bangladesh. They have been ruled by secular authorities for decades, and all you see in those countries is poverty, corruption, violence, the lack of social mobility. I mean, I could go on and on. I hope Alpha learns about the history and creed of Islam before he jumps on the bandwagon to hell.

<cite> @xabad said:</cite> Correction: Waaqism was a MONOTHEISTIC creed. I know Waaq was the name our forefathers called Almighty Allah, but Alpha said "Waq and Jah" which is clear polytheism.

Somalia: Sexual Abuse by African Union Soldiers Troop-Contributing Countries, Donors Should Promote Justice for Victims SEPTEMBER 8, 2014EnlargeAMISOM troops patrolling the Zona-K camp for displaced people in Mogadishu's Hodan district in June 2012.©2012 Clar Ni Chonghaile(Nairobi) – Soldiers from the African Union Mission in Somalia (AMISOM) have sexually abused and exploited vulnerable Somali women and girls on their bases in Mogadishu, Human Rights Watch said in a report released today. Troop-contributing countries, the African Union (AU), and donors to AMISOM should urgently address these abuses and strengthen procedures inside Somalia to seek justice.The 71-page report, “‘The Power These Men Have Over Us’: Sexual Exploitation and Abuse by African Union Forces in Somalia,”documents the sexual exploitation and abuse of Somali women and girls on two AMISOM bases in Somalia’s capital, Mogadishu, since 2013. The AU soldiers, relying on Somali intermediaries, have used a range of tactics, including humanitarian aid, to coerce vulnerable women and girls into sexual activity. They have also raped or otherwise sexually assaulted women who were seeking medical assistance or water at AMISOM bases. Human Rights Watch interviewed 21 women and girls who described being raped or sexually exploited by Ugandan or Burundian military personnel serving with the AU forces. “Some African Union soldiers have misused their positions of power to exploit Somalia’s most vulnerable women and girls,” said Liesl Gerntholtz, women’s rights director at Human Rights Watch. “Somalia has many intractable problems, but the Somali and AU leadership could end sexual exploitation and abuse by pressing troop-sending countries to hold abusers responsible.”The AU and AMISOM should foster an organizational culture of “zero tolerance” of unlawful activities on their bases, Human Rights Watch said. They should establish or strengthen instruments and bodies that have responsibility for addressing these abuses, such as conduct and discipline units, and an independent investigative body at the AU level.Human Rights Watch conducted research in Somalia, Uganda, and Burundi. All of the Somali women and girls interviewed were from displaced communities from south-central Somalia. In addition, Human Rights Watch interviewed over 30 witnesses, foreign observers, military personnel, and officials from troop-contributing countries. The research focused on incidents in Mogadishu, where Ugandan and Burundian soldiers are present and does not preclude the possibility that similar abuses have occurred elsewhere.Years of conflict and famine in Somalia have displaced tens of thousands of women and girls from their communities, and from their family and clan support networks. Without employment options and basic resources, many must rely completely on outside assistance and are forced into exploitative and abusive situations to sustain themselves and their children.The African Union Peace and Security Council deployed the peace support troops known as AMISOM to Somalia in 2007 under a United Nations Security Council mandate, to protect Somali infrastructure and government officials and to contribute to delivering humanitarian assistance. Since then, AMISOM’s mandate, size, and geographical presence have steadily increased. The force draws its military personnel from Uganda, Burundi, Kenya, Ethiopia, Djibouti, and Sierra Leone.Women and girls seeking assistance at AMISOM camps in Mogadishu do so at significant risk, Human Rights Watch found. For instance, in late 2013, Qamar R. (not her real name), 15, went to the Burundian contingent’s base to get medicine for her sick mother. A Somali interpreter told her to follow two Burundian soldiers to get medicine. They took her to a remote area and one of the soldiers raped her. She told Human Rights Watch: “First he ripped off my hijab and then he attacked me.” As she was leaving, the second Burundian soldier gave her US$10.Some soldiers have exploited women’s poverty and lack of food for sex. In May 2013, Kassa D. was introduced to a Somali interpreter at AMISOM’s base camp. “I was worried,” she said. “I wanted to run but I knew that the same thing that brought me here would get me through this – my hunger. I had made a choice and I couldn’t turn back now.” After she had sexual intercourse with a Ugandan soldier, the interpreter paid her $10.The UN secretary-general’s 2003 bulletin on special measures for protection from sexual exploitation and sexual abuse is a groundbreaking policy document for UN peacekeeping missions. It explicitly prohibits peacekeepers from exchanging any money, goods, or services for sex.Evidence suggests that sexual exploitation is not a secret at AMISOM’s Mogadishu bases, Human Rights Watch said. The women and girls have entered the camps through official guarded gates and accessed areas that are in theory protected zones. Two women told Human Rights Watch that the soldiers they had sex with for money gave them official AMISOM badges to facilitate their entry to the base.“The AU military and political leadership needs to do more to prevent, identify, and punish sexual abuse by their troops,” said Daniel Bekele, Africa director at Human Rights Watch. “As another food crisis looms in Mogadishu’s displacement camps, women and girls are once again desperate for food and medicine. They should not have to sell their bodies for their families to survive.”AMISOM soldiers have also subjected women and girls to other abuses and exposed them to serious health risks, Human Rights Watch said. Several women described being slapped and beaten by the soldiers with whom they had sex. Others said that soldiers had refused to wear condoms, passing on sexually transmitted infections.Some of the women interviewed said they did not report their experiences because they feared reprisals from their attackers, the authorities, and the Islamist insurgent group Al-Shabaab, as well as stigma and retribution from their own families. Others told Human Rights Watch they were reluctant to lose their only source of income. As a result, Human Rights Watch could not draw conclusions about the extent of the problem or official levels of involvement.Countries providing troops to AMISOM are primarily responsible for the conduct of their forces in Somalia and have exclusive jurisdiction over their personnel for any criminal offenses. These countries have, to varying degrees, established procedures to deal with misconduct including deploying legal advisors and military investigators and, in Uganda’s case, temporarily sending a court martial to Somalia to try cases.Yet troop-contributing countries have not provided the necessary resources to investigate allegations or made the investigation and prosecution of sexual exploitation and abuse a priority, Human Rights Watch said. Only one rape case, in which the victim was a child, is before Uganda’s military court in Kampala.AMISOM’s leadership has taken some measures to address sexual and gender-based violence, including drafting a policy on prevention and response to sexual exploitation and abuse, and doing outreach. However, more should be done to ensure that these efforts provide justice for victims, Human Rights Watch said.The AU force, along with the UN and the Somali government, should adopt measures to prevent sexual exploitation and abuse while creating an environment in which women can come forward and report abuses. Troop-contributing countries should reinforce their investigative and prosecutorial capacities inside Somalia. They also should ensure, along with AMISOM and the UN, that survivors receive adequate medical and psychosocial care and protection, particularly during investigations and prosecutions. International donors, particularly the United Nations, European Union, United States, and United Kingdom should support greater independent oversight of the conduct of AU troops and civilian personnel and ensure that they are not complicit in abuses committed by AMISOM forces, Human Rights Watch said.“The AU can no longer turn a blind eye to the abuses on AMISOM bases, as its undermining the very credibility of the mission,” Gerntholtz said. “Governments supporting AMISOM should work with the AU to end sexual abuse and exploitation of Somali women and girls by their troops, take action against forces contributing to it, and do what they can to prevent further sexual exploitation and abuse of Somali women.” Www.hrw.org

<cite> @Alpha Blondy said:</cite> don't need your fatwas. we need Waq and Jah. I hope you haven't turned into a polytheist.

<cite> @burahadeer said:</cite> Same way puntland claiming parts of Somaliland. :-D The border between Ethiopia and Somalia along Mudug is not demarcated properly and a land dispute between the two countries can happen easily. I expect the wanlawayn administration in Mugadishu to do what it does best and refer the matter to the UN court.

<cite> @burahadeer said:</cite> compare to beleaguered Mogadishu threatening war on Somaliland. This referendum shows how the people of Northern European stock are politically and democratically so advanced compared to the rest of humanity. We have seen it in Canada, Australia, and now in the United Kingdom. In this referendum the English, Irish, and Welsh residents will be voting but the Scotts who live outside of Scotland are not able to vote. The maryoolay in Glasgow and Edinburgh will vote but not a Scott in London.

<cite> @DoctorKenney said:</cite> Tallaabo, that's an invalid comparison. The Christian Baker didn't refuse to serve them. He even gladly said, "I am willing to bake you a birthday cake or a graduation cake, but I won't bake a gay-wedding cake....because I don't believe in gay marriage so I refuse to participate in it." It's equivalent to me, as a Muslim, if I owned a business, forcing my Christian employees to pray Salat and firing them if they don't pray at all. That's a very different scenario. No it is not an invalid comparison. When you open a shop you can't pick and choose who to serve. It is like an atheist saying "I like to do business with Muslim women but only when they take off their headscarf". The baker opened a shop in a market to sell cakes, so he has to sell it everyone. No exception.

<cite> @DoctorKenney said:</cite> Tallaabo, you know very well that the Secularists want to not just eliminate religion from the public sphere, but from the private sphere as well! Recently, in the United States, a Christian Baker refused to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple, in Colorado. The Baker said to them, "I don't mind baking you guys a birthday cake or a graduation cake, but I refuse to bake you a wedding cake because it goes against my Christian beliefs." I'm paraphrasing here, but this is what his message was. He encouraged them to go to another bakery in Colorado, where the Bakers were more liberal and more willing to bake a wedding cake for the gay couple. The gay couple could have gone to ANY OTHER bakery in Colorado, but no....they chose to sue this Christian Baker and attempt to force him to bake them a wedding cake. This is how Liberal Secularists are. They're intolerant, they want to force their lifestyle on others, and then they have the audacity to claim that they're the ones who are victims. This Christian Baker was fined, harassed, and the Government actually forced this man to bake them a wedding cake. He was even almost sent to prison . It's sickening, but this is the type of behavior you support. Freedom of religion does not mean freedom from religion , but to these people, they want to force their values on others. And then they have the nerve to complain and claim they're the victims. And Tallaabo, you bought into this utter garbage. Think for yourself saaxib. Don't let these xaywaan secularists tell you what to think. Here is the story of the Christian Baker: http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/colorado-baker-cakes-gay-weddings-panel-rules-article-1.1811676 DoctorK, I am not defending the atheists who want to abolish religion altogether, and there are certainly many of them out there. What I am saying is religion is not part of the political system in west anymore. People's religious views are not taken into account when laws are inacted by the elected politicians of these countries. If the Christian baker had his way and was allowed to discriminate against the gay couple, other members of the public would also demand "their right" to put their prejudices into practise. Racists would be allowed to refuse selling their merchandise or letting their properties to black people or other ethnicities they do not like. Haters of Muslims would also get away with making life difficult for us. Imagine if you found your dream job in the middle of a largely racist white community and they all refused to deal with you. Surely you would have no choice but to resign from your dream job and move out of the area. So to prevent such very real situations occuring, the secular parliaments of the west legislated laws to prohibit the refusal of sale to anyone regarless of their race, religion, gender, and yes sexuality. Such laws are designed to protect you from others as much as they protect other members of the public from your obvious prejudice.

<cite> @Khayr said:</cite> And the Mumin's response to the Munafiqin: Sura al araf, v.128 And finally... go kick rocks Even the barbarians who are chopping innocent peoples' heads off consider themselves "mumin".

The western world privatised religion and made it a personal issue many centuries ago so any Muslim who is uncomfortable about the satanic way of life enjoyed in these heathen countries should stop whining and just get the f:ck out.

<cite> @nuune said:</cite> ^ That picture is an insult to Somalis and Somalia in general That picture translates that there is no such thing as Somalia as the symbol of Somalia is missing. In that picture, Kenya sees you as just being a rogue member of IGAD, nothing more, you forgot your flag, you are regarded as retard! Of course there is no longer a country called Somalia. In its place there is a Bantu colony.

<cite> @Tillamook said:</cite> ^ The DNA of any laangaab seccessionist will suffice, I guess! That is true as Godane was the only duriyad in a convoy of pirate terroists.

Here is the Saudi dictatorship crushing the revolution http://rt.com/news/saudi-police-fire-protestors-qatif-wounded-212/