@BestCaseScenario said: Understanding Quantum Mechanics can help in this case I think. How things can be real but defy human logic. Sort of counter intuitive. Grave related teachings in Islam can be understood that way, that it is in a different dimension and what happens there surely defy the norms of our world. One has to accept it in faith just as he or she accepts God exists based on the book without seeing him. Angels, Demons, etc, All the unseen including God fall into this category. Some of you forget also that if you came into being from nothing originally(Creation of Adam in the form we are today out of no prior blueprint), reconstructing your bones from some records(biological) won't be that difficult right? Speaking from technical point of view anyways. Some of you are confused or know little and it is obvious. PS: It is always helpful to accept that your knowledge and understanding of things can be limited, religion or otherwise. With that attitude, one is more likely to learn/understand something. My infidel friends are the ones who rejected all forms of afterlife but what is being discussed here in this thread is not a negation of faith but the corruption of faith.

Che is there an agreement between the governments of Somaliland and Puntland for the construction of this road?

The seating arrangements are planned in such a way that the adult male viewer would have one eye on the female assistant's cleavage and the other on the news coming from the senior male presenter :-D An argument can be created about anything indeed.

@Che -Guevara said: Good progress, Ceeldaahir and Ceerigaabo is road about to start. These roads will benefit Sanaag and the larger region immensely. Who is paying for this major project Che?

Alshabaab or Daesh can land in these remote hideout places and no body would know anything about it. It is pretty worrying.

Is Geelwayn another village in the area?

I love remote locations so a retreat there would be ideal.

@Gheelle.T said: Tallaabo imaadan fahmin, naf la soo celinayo marka qabriga qofku galo baan ka hadlayaa. Meel kalaad u qaadday adna. Btw, what's with this recruit camp you resort to every time you disagree with someone. Soo adigii hadda " Kaafir" ka qaylinayay! Walaal kuugumaan yeedhin kaafir ee waxaan qoray su'aal kaftan ku jiro ayuunbay ahayd. Waan kugu raacsanay ra'igaaga maxaa yeelay qof la gubay ama bahal cunay siduu qabri u yeelanayaa.

@gooni said: puntland waa isku filan tahay haday taageero ka hesho beesha caalamka iyo amisom Ma waxaad leedahay amisom Puntland ha gayso ciidamadeeda

Where did they come from and who gave them the boats?

^ That is alot of cattle Mashaallah. I wonder if all these animals belong to just one family.

@Gheelle.T said: Qof haddaan laba aasin oo la gubo, then there wont be grave, no? Naf la soo celinaayo ma jirtaa markaas? This is a fascinating discussion. Am I seeing a new recruit to the crowded camps of Satan the accursed? Allah said in the holy Quran: "Does man (a disbeliever) think that We shall not assemble his bones? Yes, We are Able to put together in perfect order the tips of his fingers" (75:3-4) Whether one is cremated or eaten by a beast, Allah the Creator of Mankind will reassemble everyone of us atom by atom, cell by cell until non of our body parts is missing. As the above mentioned verse indicated, even the intricate patterns of the friction ridges in our fingertips will re-emerge.

@Allyourbase said: Istaqfurullah akhi Tallaboo, cadaabta qabrigu waa xaq ee toobad keen. Lol :-D Where have you been these days waaryaa? I am sure most people here would disagree with me but nevertheless it must be said your contributions to the debates in this forum are important. Somalis don't like to be out of their comfort zone when it comes to religious and cultural issues and would rather stick to long held falsehood and superstitions than adopt challenging ideas and change perceptions. Of course I too disagree with a lot of what you believe but it is very educational to have open discussions with those who do not share the same views. At the very least such open discussions would lead one to see their beliefs and values in a new light. I think the Somali people's dislike of an open challenge to their way of thinking is manifested in this very thread where we are here refuting a very deeply held believe and yet non of them have the slightest appetite to make a statement. This rule does not include our old friend Dr kenny as debating was natural to him

Rejecting something which contradicts the holy Quran doesn't make me a kaafir mr xabad.

Alshabaab has got no serious presence or operations in Puntland and most likely do not wish to open another front in their war. This is probably a logistical operation where alshabaab is making use of the safe coastal town to get fighters, weapons, and other reinforcements to their strongholds in the south. I hope the Puntland soldiers avoid fighting these terrorists within the boundaries of the town to prevent causing unnecessary damage to properties.

This nice article explains my views really well. http://quransmessage.com/articles/grave%20punishment%20FM3.htm

^ I am sure you are just as baffled by how a whole society threw out its millenia old culure and history to claim a half-breed status and mental servitude to a foreign culture.

I am not saying that there is no life after death which would indeed make me a kaafir if I do, but just that there is no life in the grave. The two are slightly different. According to the Holy Quran, mankind will be brought back to life on the Day of Resurrection to face Divine Justice. Till then the dead will remain unconscious and in a state of nothingness. They will just be a pile of rotting bones or ash depending on whichever way the dead person get sent off in his or her funeral.

^ No I am not trolling. The imaginary life in the grave is one those inventions which corrupted Islam.

@Che -Guevara said: We, Somalis, have the unfortunate destiny of never claiming our true history. We rather read what others wrote about us Ajuran along with Geledi Sultanate were two interesting Somali political entities. Che Somalis have lost their history the moment they were mentally colonised by the Arabs and then claimed to be their half-breed. Today Somaliland is awash with archaeological treasures depicting the story of our thousands of years old civilisation but non of the locals regard these precious remains as their own. All the locals believe the archaeological remains belong to other races who lived in the land before the Somalis. As a consequence of this disregard there is a widspread looting of the ancient tombs of our ancestors and the priceless artefacts found are then sold in the world's black market.

It is a fairy tale story

He was put under pressure and was misguided but i truly admire his faith, Mashaallah.

I don't believe it too.

Does anyone believe life in the grave? In other words does the claim that there is life in the grave where people are punished or rewarded carry any merit?

"And We certainly sent into every nation a messenger, [saying], "Worship Allah and avoid Taghut." And among them were those whom Allah guided, and among them were those upon whom error was [deservedly] decreed. So proceed through the earth and observe how was the end of the deniers." (Quran 16:36) As indicated in this verse, Almighty Allah advices the Muslims to visit the monuments and remains of ancient civilisations and learn about their history and how Allah dealth with those who rejected the truth. I don't see the logic of blowing up such previous reminders of our past.