burahadeer;952552 wrote: I was diplomatic in 1960:eek: I am sure even your father was not born then.

^ So do you go to these pensioner's homes and chat with them for a while? That is so kind of you:o

Johnny B;952520 wrote: Well lest you want me to buy your crap for a fact , there is one country called Somalia and it is a already a single country, a UN member nation , so the president is not uniting his country with another country as you'd like to be the case, but he is talking to a particular clan of his nation that was wronged or targeted by the previous regime.. The method was already declared , no force will ever be used against our brothers from the North, diplomacy is the way. Diplomatic reasources are appendant for every internationally recognized government. He is talking sense to their leaders, Many among the public in the north already disagree with the secession project, the rest will have to realize. That is neither reason enough to question the singleness of our nation nor it is reason enough seceding a Somali clan. Was that necessary? read the above ! What is there to talk about then?! Again, no he doesen't want unity with Somaliland, Somalia is already a single country, he wants peace among it's clans.:cool: Keep dreaming as if it helps:o

burahadeer;952528 wrote: ^^^^ this group lashing out at everyone, be it president Hassan or Somaliland r the remnants of those who engineered the destruction of the Somali race in the first place,then they thmslvs get destroyed.Now for thm is revenge time against the H & Is clans.They brought the americans in 92,then the Ethiopians in 2006,then the Kenyans to no avail.This latest play game in Kismayo works like this: unite Garowe with Jigjiga and Kismayo and encircle the H clan tight from tip to toe(just print that map in your head for a minute).As for Somaliland,first destroy it politically,then stir Nationalism in Mogadishu(same ones they encircling) and start a fight between the two,then pick up the pieces from a strong position & manage a come back.oooooh Siyad was smarter than that with the backing of super powers & billions worth of arsenal. Please be a little bit more diplomatic :eek:

Xaaji, do you follow these characters?:eek:

Haatu;952527 wrote: LOOOOOOOOL :D This just made my day. Oba, hambalyo the kid is growing yeah. But I still can't imagine kids saying "aabo Oba" to you Alpha, how's the kids and family? I heard you're on the 5th child Saff, you don't want to be one of those sad lonely old people who have no kids coz they chose a career over a family. I've done some volunteering in the neighbourhood and contrary to popular belief, it's not illness that kills these old geezers, oh no, it's LONELINESS! Wallahi waa sad how they'll happily pay bucket loads just to have company for a little while. Sister save yourself and have a FOOTBALL TEAM! Yes there was a recently published scientific research linking early death to loneliness among those who are older than 55 years. Very sad indeed.

Safferz;952463 wrote: I wonder if anyone else saw this happen during the Billboard Music Awards tonight: Waan naxay lool What an !diot:eek:

Alpha Blondy;952476 wrote: WTF is SAFFZ posting on my thread? :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: ka bax meesha nayaa.....i will NOT ask you again :mad: Ahhh I see the bravado and tough talk is actually disguising your relieve that she is back;)

Safferz;952288 wrote: NO! One! Horta who are you to make my reproductive decisions for me? :mad: lol Your cultural and moral guardian;)

safferz;952276 wrote: but i am a career woman dee okay maybe two, if i have a husband who contributes evenly to child rearing (a non-negotiable for me when i decide to settle down) NO LESS THEN TEN. Got it?

Nuune what XX is saying is that he does not mind Somalia and Somaliland's airspace co-managed by the two governments but what he does not want (and Tallaabo plus 3.5 million other Somalilanders don't want) is Somaliland's airspace managed from Mogadishu. It does not mean we are against Somalia getting its rights back from the UN but the Somalia government must understand our airspace belongs to us and Somalia's airspace belongs to Somalia. This is a sovereignity issue for us.

^ As enshrined by the constitution of the republic of Somaliland;)

^ ONE?? What are you talking about!! You are not a Chinese dear:p

^ It is a show of good citizenship and love of the motherland

Safferz, if all our Somali mothers were as educated and high class as you are, I am sure the Somali society today would be in a better shape;)

^ It is qosol gariir then:D

^ Ma qosol gariirbaa

Maashaa Allah. The nation is uniting day by day:)

Abtigiis;952229 wrote: Dear Gabbal, I hear you and I am guilty of many things. Obviously, I am not defending myself here for I am sure I have many foibles. So, I will look through the list of the issues you raised on my person and will deal with those I can and will leave those I can’t shed. Can I count on you doing a bit of introspection and really questioning yourself if hate and clan ego does not motivate you? It may be true that you are an impeccable nationalist we misunderstood, we don’t live with you. We only judge the positions you take in this forum and the last few months were painful to watch. On the Kismaayo issue, people have taken two positions: one group claims to oppose it based on principle, the principle being that the process is foreign-driven and flawed. The other group supports it arguing the process is legitimate and consultative enough. Within both groups, you have people who are sincere and some who are mischievous. It is hard to tell who is sincere and who is using principles to push a sinister agenda. Xinnfanin belongs to one group; Oba Hiloowle belongs to the other. You do not belong to both these groups. What is incontestable is that you have shown lots of ill-will and hate for a particular clan, a clan which you could not resist to badmouth even when you were defending yourself against the charge that you are motivated by clan interest. That level of hate is not normal. (1) It is false to ascribe the Jubbaland issue to Kenya. Kenya may be messing up, Kenya may be doing bad things, but the clans who want this administration will still want the regional administration even if Kenya doesn’t desire it. This is one of the mischiefs I see in your arguments. You twist the facts because acknowledging it defeats your verity. The current geopolitics may be favouring a particular clan to the detriment of the interests of the other clans. That cannot be gainsaid. But to claim that the favoured clan is there simply because Kenya wished it and will disappear if it doesn’t is not true. You peddle that lie with impish abandon. Can you clan chase away the favoured clan if Kenya withdraws? Probably yes. But does that mean that will be the end of the story? Maybe not! So, don’t bring down the bigger historical claim and counter-claims over Kismaayo to the Kenyan invasion alone! (2) In the morning, you imply that you are ready to support the Jubbaland process if it is to lead to particular outcome. In the afternoon, when a different outcome is projected, you reject it. This is what makes you unique and what given the impression that your support or rejection has nothing to do with principle. (3) You are not open-minded about the solution. For instance, it seems you would prefer if war starts in Kismaayo today rather than if a compromise is reached, if that comprise in any way includes a deal that keeps Ahmed Madoobe or a member of his clan in power. It seems you think it is the end of the world if your community does not take the helm in Kismaayo. You must disabuse yourself of this fanaticism. Somalia does not disappear because a particular political settlement in a one town is unjust – assuming it is unjust. There are lots of injustices in the country, but justice is not the exclusive problem of Kismaayo alone nor the priority right now. Pacifying the country and winning the war against Alshabab is the priority. You prefer Alshabab’s revival instead of seeing Ahmed Madoobe ruling Kismaayo. This is abnormal, because Ahmed Madoobe is saying he recognizes the government, but Alshabab doesn’t want to see the government you support. So, how can you support the enemy of the government you purport to like and support? It is this conditional support that scares me about you. There are many things that can be said. Let us just hope I will reflect on the deficiencies you highlighted and you will look at those I raised about you. To the extent each of us finds things to correct and we shed some bad traits and thoughts and we embrace new positive values, this confrontation would be useful. Ngonge, If the driver is zig-zagging the steering and crushing already quarrelling passengers against each other, the first thing to be done is to stop the car and bring on a driver that can steady the car. That is the immediate solution. The durable solution though is to resolve the conflict between the passengers once they are firmly seated in their seats but still not talking to each other. It may be unfair to focus on Gabbal alone when we have all shown clannish tendencies at one time or another, but I believe he is the worst offender and he is too serious about this clan thing. That is my perception. I don't focus on Oodweyne, and the SL contingent because I know their needlessly solicitous fixation on Kismaayo is to them only part of the larger "Ictiraaf" scheme. Nothing more, nothing less. The Ictiraaf can only come if the south continues to implode, that is the logic. So, whatever ignites fire in the south is to be supported and cheered. Fantastic response;)

Lol Djibouti is involved in the land grab. It has leased land in Malawi:cool:

What a shame!!

SOMALI RESOURCES FOR THE SOMALI PEOPLE. Keep the thieves in suits out. Somalis through out their peace-time history cultivated their own land and fed their own population so I see no reason we should change that tradition and let in commercial colonists.

Abtigiis, waad salaamantahay walaal and of course I know Chimera is not in the category of the bed-wetting "nationalists" who are it seems the curse of this forum. The guy is genuine and reminds me of the days I used to believe in and wave the blue flag:p

Insha Allah next year we will have the Red Arrows decorating the Hargeisa sky with green, white, and red colours:o

Abtigiis;952199 wrote: As Someone for whom I have immense respect and who is clearly not among the loony club of goat-skinners I were attacking in this post, including their infamous chef de band Gabbal, it is hard to disagree with you. You are always one step ahead and I learn a lot each time you speak in this forum. And this is not flattery, for one of my debilitating weakness is to be economical with appreciation for people. I mean it. While I agree with the gist of your conclusion, I will say the jury is yet out on the current leadership at best. I think you will agree with that. What happens in the next one year and the progress of the political processes in the country will determine whether we owe them an apology for slighting them prematurely or whether they should be hanged for taking the country down. So, let's wait and see. Judging by what I see, I think they will not deliver and I believe this is the conclusion of many well-informed Somalis. But still, it is good to give time to people. BTW, with profound sadness I have learned that the bright Carafaat is now the black and white Eshu - the sprit of confusion and oscillation - and is a Somali patriot before lunch and an ardent agitator of communal strife in the South after dinner. How times change. I am joining your Chimera fan club;)