It is almost as if Mr kaluun's threads are computer generated- they are endless.

Haatu;989107 wrote: I have been waiting with eager anticipation First of all, I agree with you on some things and I disagree with you on others. I agree that the political entity called Somalia with its currently internationally recognised borders is an invention of the 1960s. It is arbitrary and unnatural. But let me go on a tangent here. First let me answer the question "What is the Somali nation and what is it based on?". Firstly, a Somali is a member of a homogeneous ethnic group native to East Africa. Genetic evidence has confirmed this and I don't need to go into detail. (Note that I don't include the "Somali Bantu" in this. To me they are Somali nationals, but they are not Somalis ethnically and historically, they are a different people which God has decided for them to live among us today). This Somali is a member of a group by default handed down to him by his/her father. A collection of people who ascribe to this same group (whether or not they share a common ancestor) are the clan. The clan controls the territory the majority of its members live upon (some may live elsewhere). The clan has both political dominion and economic monopoly on this land. The collection of these clans make up the Somali nation and the collection of the clan territories make up the Somali homeland. To simplify, in my opinion a Somali is an individual who belongs to the Somali ethnic group and is part of the clan structure. To sum up, ethnically speaking the Somali are a homogeneous entity. Moving on to the cultural and linguistic aspect. You claim Somalis have different cultures. I like to look at it as variations within ONE culture. For example, the pastoralist Somalis may have some practices unique to them which they do not share with the nomad, but the similarities are such that the nomad will not view it as completely alien. These variations as I term them arose due to as you mentioned different economic activities, farmers and pastoralists. However all this means is that some section of the group adapted to their climate in one way to survive and the other group in another way. Also, you said there around 40 dialects (and what you hastily termed languages) spoken in the Somali homeland. From the little I know, the vast majority of these dialects are mutually intelligible and all have a common ancestor of which the Maay Maay is the purest survivor of. This natural variation in language cannot be extrapolated to mean the Somalis lack homogeneity, but rather all it suggests at is the natural evolution of language which is something not unique to the Somali language. Finally, if I turn my attention to why the Somali Republic collapsed, I disagree with you that the reason was our supposed "differences" but rather a wrong basis for the nation we inherited from the colonisers (it was afterall an entity they carved out). If we look back into history, we will notice that for the majority of Somali history the clan states have been by and large politically independent of each other to some degrees (fiefdoms if you like). These fiefdoms were led by traditionally elected leaders we knew as Garaads, Boqors, Suldaans, Iimaams etc who exercised political sovereignty. Most Somalis were and still are loyal firstly to themselves and secondly to these clan fiefdoms. For most, loyalty to the Somali Republic of 1960 comes in third or fourth place. When the colonisers came, these fiefdoms were rendered obsolete and their political independence dismantled. In its place a European appointed governor came to rule. When independence was achieved, the "founding fathers" followed in the footsteps of the Europeans and sought to create a European style nation-state. What they neglected was the traditional role of the clan fiefdoms and the loyalty its citizenry had for them. The consequence of this was all the political power that was traditionally decentralized across the whole Somali homeland was centralized in one entity known as the Government seated in Muqdisho. In a poor country where little to no economic prospects exist, the Government became the sole conduit for economic development and hence survival for the clans. To become rich and overpower traditional rivals, the clan had to dominate the Government by all means necessary. Fast forward 30 years from 1 July 1960 and the invented Somali Republic collapsed. It did not collapse because its citizens had unbridgeable differences or were mutually exclusive to one another, but rather because an alien form of government was given to a people ill-suited to adapt to its requirements which led to its inevitable collapse. What we see today in Somaliland, Puntland, Jubbaland, Galmudug etc. is the Somalis slowly returning to their "natural" way of governance and any methods initiated by the IC to subterfuge this process will result in inevitable disaster. It is upon those very clan fiefdoms the Somali Republic should have been based upon with power and wealth equally decentralized among them. It is my belief had that been done, not only would have the Somali Republic still be in place today, Jabuuti and S/Galbeed would have joined it also (and maybe NFD). Haddal badan haan ma buuxhsee baa la yiriye haddaan soo koobo, although natural variations and differences exist among them, Soomaali waa mid, waa ul iyo meyrax, mataano weeyoo, meel bey ka wada dhasheen. Wa billaahi towfiiq Mr Haatu ethnicity and the Somali style clan are two different things. The only requirement to becoming a member of a Somali clan is that one's father is also a member of that said clan. Female linage don't count in our clan system. So the notion that a man with a white mother and a Somali father is ethnically Somali but the one who has a Somali mother and a white father is non-Somali is absurd. In the real genetic world both those men are only half-Somali in equal measure.

This is a very good topic Saffarz. The idea of Somalis being one homogenous group speaking one language and adhering to one religion has always been nothing more than a blatant propaganda by the various Somali governments. "Somalis" like the rest of human societies are composed of different ethnicities, clans, and nations with various religions(or non), and languages and dialects. Nothing is homogeneous in this world. "Variety is the spice of life", says a proverb.

Haatu;988918 wrote: You must be rejoicing your age-old enemy is not doing too well. I wonder why anyone thinks an impeachment of a PM has any effect on any Somali clan as we all know it is only a matter of time before this ugly political drama makes a fresh re-start at election/selection time. It has been just like this for the last decade or more.

Safferz;988842 wrote: So many fields in the humanities and social sciences would be useful, I think... beyond political science, history and economics, we have related fields like law, anthropology and sociology that offer different perspectives on politics, culture and society that would be of great relevance to us back home, where much of our political issues are rooted in the current fragmentation of Somali society and the failure of state political institutions (an anthropologist would point out how qabiil is a political institution that has persisted, and a sociologist can analyze the workings of qabyalad and other ideologies, for example). I absolutely agree with you. Many people and not just Somalis think that the humanities and social sciences have no relevance in the real world when in fact these disciplines are the like a manual detailing how the giant engine .i.e., the human society functions. Without Somali scholars who are experts in the problems the Somali society is struggling with, solutions to solve these problems would be difficult to come by. And it is precisely in the humanities and social sciences that societal problems and solutions to solve such problems are learned and researched. So we as a society desperate for solutions to many problems need our students to master these academic disciplines.

Gar_maqaate;988804 wrote: The Cerigaabo road project is nothing more a racket run few hucksters. The project is a major piece of infrastructure that require heavy equipment, man power, financial investment and expertise and Somaliland has virtually next to nothing. The idea that you can complete a project like that with qadaan collections for largely welfare recipient diaspora community is wishful thinking. They are incapable repairing the sole existing road, which is virtually a death trap (especially between berbara and hargeysa), and in the raining season people drawn in their cars in the middle of Hargeysa. They should try imroving what is there first, instead of day dreaming and practicing their shakedown artistry on gullible people. The people of Somaliland built more than a road- they built an admired nation. So don't under-estimate their capacity or their commitment.

thefuturenow;987813 wrote: I'd like to get a sense of the student population on SOL and what they're studying. For the sake of Somalia, I hope there are more physicists than political scientists If Somali politicians were more versed in the political science and learned about how successful countries are organised, our society would not be in such a mess. So I think more graduates in politics will serve our society well.

Hawdian;988808 wrote: Sidaas baa fcn laheed lkn yaa ismaqla aduunkan. Taan labaad waarya kagan labaxey Alpha - Goorma inantan sharifeeysa Waan ka sugaya jawabtas yaa prince . Shurkan Lol:o Isagu inuu is sharafo uma baahna miyaa

thefuturenow;988809 wrote: Btw, strange reactions to the article. Sex has become unnecessarily taaboo in the Muslim world. Husband and wife are afraid to explore their sexuality as it will raise suspicions about one's pre-marriage life. Still, sex between married couples should be dynamic and satisfactory to both members. Sometimes we need not look any further than the bedroom to understand the source of weak and fracturing families. Well said. Muslim societies don't give the necessary attention to the problems of sex or the lack of it as the primary cause of many divorces and family breakdown.

magicbird;988460 wrote: O you who have believed, indeed, intoxicants , gambling, [sacrificing on] stone alters [to other than Allah ], and divining arrows are but defilement from the work of Satan, so avoid it that you may be successful. [5:90] Al Khamri - arabic > literally means ''The covering'' , or ''The veil'' , and in reference to wine a person's mental facillties are blurred, covered or veiled. So all intoxicants are included in this eg cigarettes, shisha and khat. And what you said about fast food and other things, yes, under Israaf it'd be haram to eat too much fast food. And yes khat is an intoxicant. Well said. Most people think that only alcohol is haram and not the other drugs that interfere with the normal brain functions and used for recreational purposes.

Why do you guys post these endless music videos from You Tube? These video clips are as annoying as the junk mail I receive.

Everyone is missing the point here. There are no two beggars in the former Somalia Republic but just one- Somalia. As for Somaliland receiving aid from the international community there is absolutely no shame in that. Somalia is a beggar because despite having international recognition and everything that goes with it, it has made a business of harassing the world for hand-outs. On the other hand, Somaliland is denied her rightful recognition by the international community and so cannot trade effectively with other countries, has got no access to credit, and is not benefiting from direct foreign investment. So any help that is given to Somaliland by friendly countries cannot be called begging because Somaliland has no other choice.

Classified wrote: Xaaji Xunjuf , she looks like what you would consider a "Southerner" or "Konfuristan". Ileen all Somalis are Afro-Hashemite hadaba. Lol I didn't know the so-called Afro-Hashemites looked any different!!

I am totally against the breakup of the union. The United Kingdom benefited all the people living in the British Isles through out its 300 years of existence. In union, the people of Great Britain and Ireland literally took over the world politically, economically, militarily, culturally, and technologically. Thanks to the strength of the union and the empire it produced, English is now the defacto official language of the world, and the British legal and parliamentary system serves as a template for most counties in the world.

The Muslim world can put a banishing pressure on a country like Angola if they indeed banned Islam. To start with the Muslim countries in Africa can demand the suspension of Angola from the African Union and threaten to leave the union if Angola remained a member. An African union without so many counties would not be worth the name, so Angola with be suspended without a second thought. Secondly, the 57 Muslim majority counties can demand the UN Security Council, the European Union, and the US to put crippling sanctions on Angola and freeze their assets. China which has vested interests in Angola's natural resources might resist such a move but if all the Muslim countries threaten China with diplomatic and economic consequences China will no doubt forsake Angola and choose to maintain good relations with the 57 Muslim counties. No country can afford to cut ties with 57 countries many of which are the world's biggest suppliers of oil and gas. All in all, if this news is true and the Muslim counties cooperate well, Angola will make a quick U-turn or will risk economic and political implosion because of the international sanctions and pressure.

Jacpher;987716 wrote: ^Stop pretending these are real number. In the real world, these are marginal errors. No matter how famous these names sound to you, the larger part of the country, Somali and gaal don't go together . Haven't you seen the number of Somali atheists we have in this forum alone? And I knew few of them in real life.

Haatu;987682 wrote: A few individuals might exist here and there, but there is no "community" to speak off. And I actually do know the guy behind it all. I owe my cush life in the West to him ( ) so believe me when I say it's mostly maryooleys making a quick buck. Waaryaa don't give the maryoolay the idea of claiming asylum using Christianity;)

Xaaji Xunjuf;987494 wrote: Waxad maqlayseen Somaliland wey duushay the past 2 decades wataaan si dhab a u duushay hadaba:D Hadda baalal dhab ah ayay yeelatay ma istidhi:p

The Somali Bantus must be respected and their rights protected by the AMISOM government in Villa Burundi in Mogadishu. They have suffered enough.

Are you in Minnesota? Here in the UK we have got neither excessive cold nor excessive heat. It is the perfect climate, the blessed Isles indeed.

It is called Walawayn airlines;)

Safferz;987473 wrote: Are you sure Tallaabo's revolution won't look more like this? LOL:D;) No the initial stage won't look like this. This is the after-riot victory parade:p

I left a comment in the link you provided. I hope they post it as it is.

Haatu;987366 wrote: Well of course. First order of the day: Alpha is exiled to Zimbabwe for being too close to officials from the previous regime. Cadale luckily survives an assasination attempt whilst in his house by unknown gunmen on the same night. Power struggles continue as Haatu consolidates more power. School children are now taught to refer to him as Aabo Haatu The SOL spring revolution is upon you organised by former minister Tallaabo

Xaaji Xunjuf;987080 wrote: Its to divert the current crisis of Somalia, there is no such thing as a cold war , cold wars are quarrels between equals Somalia and Somaliland as it currently exist are not equals.Somalia is in a political and constitutional crisis the resignation of the bank governor. Followed by the crisis between the president and prime minister, followed by homicide attacks the police station attack in Hiiraan, the instability which continues to plague Somalia. And some internet warlords want to talk about a non existent cold war.Somalia and Somaliland live in 2 complete different worlds what happens in Somalia it has no effect on Somaliland whats so ever. True a cold war is waged between two equals. Currently Somalia is not only in crisis, it has effectively become an African colony. So I will not lose a night's sleep over any "imagined" threat from that AMISOM booth camp. They might cause us few troubles here and there but usually such issues can be brought before their African masters for resolution.