Nothing will come out of this , Somaliland is wasting its time, Somalia and their TFG is playing delay games, this will be prolonged waste of time, the objective is to tire somaliland till the south gets its house in order and improve their negotiation position, only fools and naives from somaliland would expect anything from this. Of course white people would have to put a good face on this usless meetings, you will hear things about cooperation between somaliland and Somalia hunting the various White-Man's buggymen ..pirates ..terrorist in exchange for healthy "does of Sadaqa" for both darkies ..somaliland and somalia. And this will be hailed as a good begining for an enldess Oslo like dance, till Somalia is establized.

This woman just mentioned her co-workers not even the 2 only one , i don't understand her point 2 of her co-workers got killed and she is wailing only for one of them?? They also passed by a coffe shack in the village and shot at few people injurying 2 more and killing 1, total dead 3 , total inuried tow. Today most eastern clans are in arms, every car heading in and out of Laas Caanood is searched the Nugaal millitia who killed 3 people randomly and fled will be payed for through their clan members, even if they are found inside Ceerigaabo or even Burco these Khaatumo cowards should be taught a lesson, if killing random people is a goal by their standards every Khaatumo follower should hunted even with in Hargaysa itself.

I don't even believe we were the same nation despite 31 years of union. 1- the southerners still call the Somali Republic the southern colonial term of Somalia 2- the southerners calim "somalia" is from Raas Kambooni to Raas Casayr 3- the southerns faithfully insist that the war in "somalia" began in 1991. Its as though we were never the same nation, now all of a sudden they argue "somalia" is one and always has been one loool note the term still used "somalia"

The letter is good just his use of the term "independence" is loose, Somaliland didn't gain its independence in 1991.

independence or nationhood??? watch your use of terms, independence was 1960 June 26, nationahood may 18 1991

The territory of somaliland is no different then so called Somalia, it has a defined borders as any colonial territory in Africa be it Nigeria or Gabon.It gained its independence as any other African nation...etc Now for the Afweyne-loyalist who still confuse "somalia" with the Somali Rebpublic, have you people at least read articale 1 of the 1960 constitution??? The horse-clan of Taleex , Dhoodi-Meer people deny somaliland at same time they insist on using the term Somalia?? can any horse answer to the reason why?

Khaatumo didn't withdrew they just fled, they are saying they couldn't fight 2 armies in 2 front so they just evacuated the town.

Its a fact , somaliland took over the town and then left it and puntland filled the vacume few hours later, the somaliland minister of defence alluded to that fact. So in a sense they are right, there is some sort of a cooperation between somaliland and puntland, whatever it may be.

Another tactic of Xirsi Daba-Gaab and his uncle Siilaanyo, they supposedly took over the town and then left it to Puntland as stated by the minister of defence loool bravo Xaaji Xunjuf, what a genius move. Fact is the Rice of Ina Xarabi and Indho-Deero was endangered by Khaatumo so Siilaanyo as usual sent the somaliland forces to save the business of his rich cronies. Now business will run as usual and Ina Xarabi rice and Indho-Deero match-boxes will only be taxed by Puntland instead of by 2 customs.

Naxar Nugaaleed, Its very interesting how you are hostile even if somone else stated your case, and as I argued before you are non other then XX incarnations, i merely stated what Khaatumo folks claim all the time, how am I adding anything new. Now logic is logic and a fair man adhere to logic not emotions unlike XX I stated both argument and the only solution i see is sheer force no more no less , if Somaliland people can't defend their interest then iam willing to forego Somaliland cause, but i will never shake by belly and tail to seduce people unlike XX , thats the difference , sheer logic.

all somalis are the same people, there is nothing spacial between your sub-clan and khaatumo sub-clan and if having something in common is the pre-request of sharing a goverment you share alot more with Jabuuti clan then Khaatumo clans, why not you and them have the same adminsteration. You are trying to chery-pick you wants to be an ardent somalilander out of clan loyalty but you want to divide Garoowe and Laas Caanod a 90km apart, but you would never apply the same crateria to the sub-clan of Ceerigaabo some 500km away, you believe these are your clan so they are somaliland despite the fact they have alot in common with the people of Puntland and Khaatumo . You have to be realistic, whats good for you is good for them, why should they choose to by a minority with in Somaliland ?? it makes no sense at all, we are the same , we intermary etc , are empty effeminate mantras. don't embaress us waryaa.enough is enough

The people of Khaatumo will never ever embrace somaliland and you and I know that, but you think because you are a Bulaaxaari you think by few belly dance moves you can seduce them , loool very naive western boy.

Useless argument , facts are your sub-clan clan and khaatumo clan never shared anything besides colonial rule, period, you have no border ,you don't intermmary even. All that can't be said about Garoowe clan, they share border, clan, and they intermaryy and they share Somalia as adminestration. you have no argurmen, you are just a munaafaq a belly dancing munaafaq but you are bustted.

XX, You are not that bright at all, they do share a single adminsteration and thats called SOMALIA goverment or TFG, but they don't share the same federal state and in that they are similar with Gal Mudug and the rest of clan based regions. And what exactly you mean by " shared adminsteration" does been under the same colonial yalk constitute a shared "adminsteration" because thats the only thing your particular sub-clan in Xaraf and Bulaxaar area share with the people of Khaatumo , the British rule. By extending your chicken logic we also shared an adminestartion with the Zulu in south africa, the Ashanti ina Ghana and the Kikuyo of Kenya loool , waaryaa your entire argument was debunked line by line, talada qaado oo jooji niikada iyo ******-ruxa waanu kaa naxaynaaye wax wax kuu sheegaad weydee.

And who told you 50 years ago what you are calling Garaad clan were anti-somaliweyn?? out of their 12 somaliland MPs of 1958-1959 election all 11 mps of USP were pro-somaliweyn maybe Garaad Cali at one time refused the union but all was a tactical move , Garaad Cali wanted better offer from SNL party and once he got it at the expence of Micheal Mariano party which won 25000 votes VS 56000 for SNL , UNF despite the fact they got 1/3 of the votes they were only given 1 sit in Somaliland parliment meanwhile the SNL having won 2/3 gave USP 12 sits robbing Micheal Mariano out of his share, after getting 12 sits undeservingly their pro-somaliland tactics were changed and they advocated for an immediate union. As soon the 33 somaliland MPs joined the south the USP were giving further power by getting 2 ministers for their small insignificant party and both SNL and UNF which got 98% of Somaliland vote were giving 2 ministeries. You need to be schooled kid, somaliland history can't be gleaned from few websites.

I think you are a confused child, what you called Khaatumites never shared an adminsteration either with Somaliland, and further confused child Garoowe and Las Anod are 80km apart how can they not share the same culture ? are you trying to convince me that you from Xaraf district of Hargaysa some 450km north west share culture and tardition with people of eastern Sool and Nugaal?? and not their kins who are merely 80km away, in fact Taleex and Qardho are even less distant then that. suuqa ka fadhiiso ciyaal yar oo wareeray baad tahaye isla yaab. niikadan jooji, you are embaressing somaliland people.

farah22 if i came to that shit-hole called Budh-layn I indeed should be flogged. But i would never be there nor will i disgrace the somaliland banner by waving it in Budh-layn or Xamar zone.

I don't either , but what i see as a problem and embaressment is your somaliland tail-bone shaking and swinging for 2 enemies of somaliland, thats the problem.Kid stop belly dancing, at the end of the day these people are the same clan and they would rather die then accept anything thats somaliland.

I see , so you are from Awrboogays and you defend XX?? loool something fishy , is this one of your 10's of nicknames??

He should have been flogged, Somaliland politicians are softies.

And how is Khaatumo the enemy of his enemy?? both are Somaliland's enemies ,silly little kids. I see XX as an embaressment to somaliland his antics are obvious and his hypocracy is a disgrace to somaliland. We don't shake our tail-bone for this or that groupe , and somaliland is better off fighting Puntland a Somalia province rather then a sub-clan within somaliland. You have no idea what strategy means , you think just been a bafoon "munaafaq" is been a politician,

Waar ma anakaa waalan mise Cadan baa laga heesayaa?? XX why do you cheerlead for Khaatumo Vs Puntland??? both of them are enemies of Somaliland and if a war breaks out they will side with one another, horta ma suufi waalan baad tahay, mise waad soo waalan doontaa?

LANDER;839698 wrote: Aadan you've reduce these grown men to replying like giddy school girls, Not a single note worthy rebbutal to be found on the original topic. Ka daa niyo you're messing with their mental health. I am curious though about these other forts, do you have any similar info on them, why they were built how long ago etc... All the rest of the forts the other 5 are in non-Khaatumo regions thus the reason you won't hear much of them , there are around 3 or 4 forts smaller in Ethopian somali region and 1 in Hiiraan. Ironically the much talked about Taleex was the least used it was finished around 1913 and the Dervish moved to Sanaag region in 1915-1920. From 1905 on wards there was no such a thing as Dervish, they were just punch of desert pirates that raided Puntland and Khaatumo folks till 1920 when they were smoked out of their fox holes and driven into Ethopia, the last battle was the Hagoogane raid and the Mullaha and his thugs were finished. The fort of Shimbriis is the first to be built around 1911 and its in Ceel-dhaab area which lays between Caynaba region and Sanaag , this one iam not sure of, but i assume its located with in the borders of Sanaag. My objective was not to engage the Afweyne Loyalist, for i know these folks are robort a programed script, they will spew the same old tired lines that was fed to them by that regim , the point was to expose it to the rest of Somalis. Somalisa have to understand history was rewritten from 1970-1981, even childern in school were thought a clanist version of history written by Axmed Faarax Idaajaa and Aw Jaamac Cumar Ciise.

So far after 3 pages of digression not a single Kacaan-child dare to answer the followings: 1- why did your Kacaan change your "glorious" history in 1974 if what you claim was always right? 2- Why the change if its so glorious, even from humans to horse tomb? 3-how come after all the clanist Dervish barvado only the lady Carro seed magan is to be found there from your clan along with her lover Sultan Nuur Axmed Amaan? 4- and finally what you guys think if we named the place Taaj-Mahaal instead of ugly Taleex,?

it means nothing really, you have been saying the same about Cumar Geele, and he had never ever sit a foot on somaliland soil and you and your like minded somalilanders have been kissing his behind for some 10 years and he never even cared to come to Hargaysa. give it a rest sxb, the recognition of somaliland will follow a protocol, Kenya can't violate that protocol unless the recognition came from the west , beggers don't have the clout to recognize another fellow African begger.You might be a somaliland nationalist but you are childishly naive.