Xiin niin yabaan waxaa qaniinay qabyalada caad oo loo cimamadheyn aad meesha ka waadid, which is your only prescription for every thing that the federal government is trying to do, if you have no Idea about the terms and conditions of both the Turkish-Somalia military cooperation deal as well as the terms of the lifting of the Somalia arms embargo gaartey and "we" will enlighten you, but as usual your insincere recruitment of clan fears to bludgeon the government at birth will not work, it is imperative that a NATIONAL army is built and that is how its going to be done with every pre 1991 regions of Somalia getting the same amount of new recruits either as privates, NCO's as well as the new officer class that will be trained in Ankara, the U.N lifting of the ban will be partial for the next 4 years limited to light weaponry and protective non-offensive Armour such as Amour ed personnel carriers and armored battle field ambulances. As I keep on repeating you are not today or have you ever been sincere, either in terms of the federal constitution that you have admitted severally is designed to keep one particular moo.ryaan clans aspirations boxed in [in your own feverish mind] or in terms of this government that for you functions purely inaa laga mantajiyo a certain clans ill gotten gains, but when the government representative of all Somalis beyond your starbucks coffee clique grabs the reigns of responsibility according to the aspirations of the Somalis who extend beyond your starbucks coffee clique, it becomes a one man entity or at the very most banadiir based , continue accusing any one of an iota of deductive logic as bringing back irirism or what ever you called it, I do not know Stoic beyond his contributions to this forum and have never even parlayed with him, when he pointed out the nonsense of your faux logic you immediately accuse him of a term as a sijui boy he has probably never even heard of. That is the sickness in your logic and the inanity of your cantrabaqash, do you think no one is aware of your hypocrisy?? The federal government will rebuild the army into a professional national institution one dedicated to the protection of the countries borders rather than into a replica of the genocide squad of your MOD paramountcy, you are right the old days are over but for the overwhelming majority of Somalis this includes the era before 1991

Hahaha right on stoic, meeshu inaa ruwayaad uun laga waadho eeg, when it is needed the somali goverment is legitimate and federal, but when it over steps its boundaries in the minds of reer xiin, it becomes clan based and banadiir based, who is the defence minister, who is the armed forces cheif of staff, who is the chairman of the parliamentary defence committee??? Anyway regardless the lifiting of the arms embargo is just around the corner, when that happens, expect xiin to cover himself again with the particular laurels of victory of that endevour, some how some way, is their anything more pathetic than that? niin yabaan dont worry you give sahal spokesmen too much credit, the internet is the first & last line of defence, nothing will happen on the ground, majiority of somalis kulaha, i.a let us see how this pans out.

argh something is up with mobile net am using anyway will revisit the thread tommorow. Xiinow keep on refering to moryaan walaal, like I told you before life is long and there will be many opportunities for you to colour reality that special colour of rust brown so evocative of your ideology, and the by product of bovine ruminations

argh something is up with mobile net am using anyway will revisit the thread tommorow. Xiinow keep on refering to moryaan walaal, like I told you before life is long and there will be many opportunities for you to colour reality that special colour of rust brown so evocative of your ideology, and the by product of bovine ruminations

school me kulaha waar xiin spending this much time on SOL has really caused you to mix up somethings, those T:B ridden old men I have talked about are not using your constitution to ask for anything back, they do not use rhe court system enshrined in the consitution or any legal redress, no they just like you spew vitriol on inappropriate fora, how much they scream, cough into their hospital provided sheeting and talk about how xamar will never be the same, that will not return a single meter squared back to them, today if you have the documentation and go to xamar to claim your land, even if your land is still occupied and the owner is too big to be moved, you get a ruling and judgement from the court that can be used at a later date when the goverment keeps on imposing its will, no more learned helplessness, you will get your land back, if you are too scared to do so, I assure you that your vapid cantrabaqash in rented halls wont change that, you do not even have the courage of your convictons using the same process I have outlined to your barrow boys as a victory and at the same time refusing to take the same route to do things on the ground, and what is the new civil war you talk about, the one that according to you has been brought to a definitive end by a federal constitution was that the siyadist dream mise your uncles in 78 when they fired the first shot?? The indefensible legacy is the bombing of hargeisa, state genocide, that your uncles put down the gun to join, ma maanta ayaad somali noqoteey miyaa?? When has anything that you have ever said ever been reality or ever panned out? We are proposing kulahaa, who is this we you are on about, niyoow do you even read the constitution you talk about?, have you contributed even a comma to it misee membership of SOL and sahal has gone to your head. Until then T.B is a killer waryaa.

well done raamsade, this is the problem with people who have gutter level mentality, when they met sheikh sharif a man who had grabbed the tigers tail and was holding own to dear life, avoiding shabaab bombs one moment and back stabbing politicos the next a man who would do and did do everything to survive they had so many concessions given, today because a man who stands for justice in somalia is in power,they take the application of justice applicable to EVERYONE and all as political leverage, one time they attempt to relive d block glory days by bringing sijui delegations to garowe and the next waa give us back properties in xamar on you tube, the smallness of it waa pathetic, if you are scincere regardless of the shortcomings you CAN get the ball rolling right now immediately....if not then there is damned if you damned if you dont about it... @ghellet you are right the process is not straight foward but it has begun, all the way to the water milkers in lower shabelle pettioning for there the morgan farm land back.... Ka Matajinaya loool folly of grandeur my dear fa.qash betheren, maxaa guuri shuub ah kula weyntahay....

school me kulaha waar xiin spending this much time on SOL has really caused you to mix up somethings, those T:B ridden old men I have talked about are not using your constitution to ask for anything back, they do not use rhe court system enshrined in the consitution or any legal redress, no they just like you spew vitriol on inappropriate fora, how much they scream, cough into their hospital provided sheeting and talk about how xamar will never be the same, that will not return a single meter squared back to them, today if you have the documentation and go to xamar to claim your land, even if your land is still occupied and the owner is too big to be moved, you get a ruling and judgement from the court that can be used at a later date when the goverment keeps on imposing its will, no more learned helplessness, you will get your land back, if you are too scared to do so, I assure you that your vapid cantrabaqash in rented halls wont change that, you do not even have the courage of your convictons using the same process I have outlined to your barrow boys as a victory and at the same time refusing to take the same route to do things on the ground, and what is the new civil war you talk about, the one that according to you has been brought to a definitive end by a federal constitution was that the siyadist dream mise your uncles in 78 when they fired the first shot?? The indefensible legacy is the bombing of hargeisa, state genocide, that your uncles put down the gun to join, ma maanta ayaad somali noqoteey miyaa?? When has anything that you have ever said ever been reality or ever panned out? We are proposing kulahaa, who is this we you are on about, niyoow do you even read the constitution you talk about?, have you contributed even a comma to it misee membership of SOL and sahal has gone to your head. Until then T.B is a killer waryaa.

school me kulaha waar xiin spending this much time on SOL has really caused you to mix up somethings, those T:B ridden old men I have talked about are not using your constitution to ask for anything back, they do not use rhe court system enshrined in the consitution or any legal redress, no they just like you spew vitriol on inappropriate fora, how much they scream, cough into their hospital provided sheeting and talk about how xamar will never be the same, that will not return a single meter squared back to them, today if you have the documentation and go to xamar to claim your land, even if your land is still occupied and the owner is too big to be moved, you get a ruling and judgement from the court that can be used at a later date when the goverment keeps on imposing its will, no more learned helplessness, you will get your land back, if you are too scared to do so, I assure you that your vapid cantrabaqash in rented halls wont change that, you do not even have the courage of your convictons using the same process I have outlined to your barrow boys as a victory and at the same time refusing to take the same route to do things on the ground, and what is the new civil war you talk about, the one that according to you has been brought to a definitive end by a federal constitution was that the siyadist dream mise your uncles in 78 when they fired the first shot?? The indefensible legacy is the bombing of hargeisa, state genocide, that your uncles put down the gun to join, ma maanta ayaad somali noqoteey miyaa?? When has anything that you have ever said ever been reality or ever panned out? We are proposing kulahaa, who is this we you are on about, niyoow do you even read the constitution you talk about?, have you contributed even a comma to it misee membership of SOL and sahal has gone to your head. Until then T.B is a killer waryaa.

Alright nuune I will answer your question, and give examples of documentary proof: - title deed - water-electricity-sewarage bills - video evidence - taxation records - employee records for former civil servants, parastatal employees, military-police e.t.c with clear location information -pictoral evidence - eye witness accounts from reputable witnesses - supporting evidence although this is considered second tier like neighbourhood school certificates... - membership in local guulwade or other orientation centers e.t.c If this was anyother country and you did not have that evidence how would you claim property??? This is the current process in xamar koow... Xiinow, one day when I have just taken a shower and feel that toweling my hair would be too much of a chore, I will gadly pretend to entertain your analysis in my general direction in lieu of a blow dryer, until then cuqdaad aad qabtiid will be more than enough to fuel your search for that perfect formula to revive the cynicism of yesteryear as well as that d block unity, if you were trully understanding you would know the diffrence between being hated or being despised....

waar haatu & gashaan ignore the histrionics for a moment, look at the title and look at the comments I made with out my many asides to the peanut gallery, the issue of looted properties according to the constitution will be handled by the courts and the national restitution of properties and land commission to be constituted by the parliament representative of all somalis, the first steps are already been taken by the prime minister and a simple google search will educate any scincere person on this, why is it that any other discussion on other crimes is willfully detoured to what happened only to one section of the population, what about north eastern somalia in the late 70's and early 80's, what about burco and hargeisa in the late 80's, what about galgaduud and lower mudug in the same period, what about the displaced in hiiraan and bay and bakool in the late 80's, what about the despicable appropriation of fertile community lands in the jubbas and shabbelle regions under the guise of scientific socialism but under the true banner of clan nepotism and duul balaarsi? Was this topic about looted homes or another state sponsored clan cleansing in 2006-7?? How are we to have reconcilation and justice with people ON THIS THREAD calling for last solution clan cleansing, or classy people like my brother xiin whose entire contribution to the great somalia revival is d block solidarity and outmanouvering the president of the republic on every issue regardless if he knows what he is talking about or not? Look at brother che who asks me how i benefit from looted properties because I do not subscribe to the resident SOL meme? Should I stoop as low and ask him how many kids shabaab has killed today, or since he came out in intellectual support for them?? Waar anigu qofna uma joojiyo ee giirangirtu ha socoto, I think guys are too used to my brow beaten full of xishmaad brother oba, who starts every sentence with walahi bilahi and my grand mother is from puntland, if people want their houses back by all means the legal constitutional process is beggining, if on the other hand I stumbled in to a somali version of the jewish lament of the 3000 year diaspora "next year in jerusalem" then by all means continue, I just hope it does not last as long, when you can get the ball rolling right now in xamar rather than on youtube.

waar haatu & gashaan ignore the histrionics for a moment, look at the title and look at the comments I made with out my many asides to the peanut gallery, the issue of looted properties according to the constitution will be handled by the courts and the national restitution of properties and land commission to be constituted by the parliament representative of all somalis, the first steps are already been taken by the prime minister and a simple google search will educate any scincere person on this, why is it that any other discussion on other crimes is willfully detoured to what happened only to one section of the population, what about north eastern somalia in the late 70's and early 80's, what about burco and hargeisa in the late 80's, what about galgaduud and lower mudug in the same period, what about the displaced in hiiraan and bay and bakool in the late 80's, what about the despicable appropriation of fertile community lands in the jubbas and shabbelle regions under the guise of scientific socialism but under the true banner of clan nepotism and duul balaarsi? Was this topic about looted homes or another state sponsored clan cleansing in 2006-7?? How are we to have reconcilation and justice with people ON THIS THREAD calling for last solution clan cleansing, or classy people like my brother xiin whose entire contribution to the great somalia revival is d block solidarity and outmanouvering the president of the republic on every issue regardless if he knows what he is talking about or not? Look at brother che who asks me how i benefit from looted properties because I do not subscribe to the resident SOL meme? Should I stoop as low and ask him how many kids shabaab has killed today, or since he came out in intellectual support for them?? Waar anigu qofna uma joojiyo ee giirangirtu ha socoto, I think guys are too used to my brow beaten full of xishmaad brother oba, who starts every sentence with walahi bilahi and my grand mother is from puntland, if people want their houses back by all means the legal constitutional process is beggining, if on the other hand I stumbled in to a somali version of the jewish lament of the 3000 year diaspora "next year in jerusalem" then by all means continue, I just hope it does not last as long, when you can get the ball rolling right now in xamar rather than on youtube.

its a case of bread and festivals for the poor@haatu this debates cost ksh 1 billion to realise, how about that.....

jacpher hope cuqdaad does not cause you high blood pressure, the ********s you are talking about learnt from the best, and the morality of turning every discussion into my middle class home in xamar, is what if not completely bankrupt is certainly intestate as of 2007. Macasalama.

apophis the reident kenyan coolie fresh from dismissing the wagalla massacre of innocenr somalis from a clan he despises is accusing others of nazi behavior? The irony is the nazis analogy he is using is inappropriate, the nazis were defeated, by the very decibels of lamentation on SOL and other innapropriate fora by his folk, shows that the nazis in this case are not the ones he is talking about. But its upto you, use the legal channels, the constitution y'all never tire of reminding us was birthed in puntland, and claim your properties...this goes to people other than apophis who's family properties if there are any have never been futher than garissa...

lool xiin your hot air as usual illuminates nothing, the cataclysm you speak about was sent into motion and perpetuated by these very same old men I talk about, your uncles banked on the submissiveness and ********* of an entire section of the population not only in mogadishu but in the rest of somalia, people were massacared and land expropriated as part of state policy continued on unfortunately as part of militia policy, wixii aad dadki baarten uun ayaa meesha ka socdee, this chest beating that you are afforded in mpls amounts to shyte all in xamar, regardless when you come to xamar, be it under the new mechanism being put into motion by the new goverment or by one that might be run by your uncle in the future, documentary proof will be the only criteria for the return of property, if that cant be provided, let the cold chill settle on your clan gatherings saaxib , I have neither respect or intreast in internet expositions of your kinsfolks claims or histories, meeshu T.B uun baa laga kala qaada uun. No amount of somalias scripts and ethnic barrow boys chanting at me is going to change that. secondly i know in that gaseous mind of yours that somalias revival somehow equates to d-block hegemony and puntite intelligence behind that lakiin you are calling a really old disconnected number, after 21 years ma weeli chest thumping and any means neccessary language is being used by your ilk somaha?? Dont worry brother I am sure there shall be ghettos in xamar for you guys to remember good old times in

yes it is as simple as that xiin, no more learned helplessness, get out of the net photostat your document and cut a ticket, if not just remember to keep the room aerated T.B is a killer!

abdi dida has nothing to lose so is speaking truth to POWER!

The 2 other kikuyus on the debate karua and muite, are rounding on raila, the question about how uhuru would rule as a hague indictee is being subsumed, kiyapi has brought it back to the point...

uhurus answers are disingenous concerning ICC peter kenneth is apealling to his kikuyu base as well as appearing constitutional, mudavadi is waffling as usuall, hahaha martha karua and her malovelent eyes are flashing out of happiness

both odinga and uhuru are avoiding to throw the obvious punches, congrats to abdi duba wajeer resident...

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loool you are right qansax, I remember reading in the FP magazine a U.N officials take on somalia, who had responsibility for several programs there, disparaging the turkish involvement in mogadishu, he was asked during the 7 year period he held office how many times he had visited mogadishu his answer "half a day to visit some projects".....you cant make it up...

Jeffery Fartman Wakiilka xoghayaha guud ee ee dhinaca siyaasada ayaa kaga dhowaaqay xarunta Qaramada Midoobay magaalada New York ayaa sheegay in caasimada dalka Soomaaliya ay xiligan mareyso meel ka soo kabanayso burburkii ka soo gaaray dagaaalada ka dib booqasho uu ku yimid Muqdisho. Sidoo kale waxa uu intaa ku daray in shacabka ku nool Muqdisho ay dareemayaan rajo cusub oo ka soo muuqata hoggaanka cusub ee dowlada Soomaaliya, kaasoo ku yimid doorasho ay qabatay dowladii KMG aheyd ee dalka maamuleysay sanadihii la soo dhaafay. “Waxaa nagu waajiba inaynu taageerno howsha la qabtay iyo heerka ay mareyso waxaanu rajeyneynaa 4-ta sano ee soo socota in horumar taariikhi ah la gaaro ka hor intaan la qaban doorashooyinka Baarlamanka iyo midda Madaxweynaha’’ ayuu yiri Jeffery Fartman. Wakiilka xoghayaha guud ee ee dhinaca siyaasada ayaa intaa ku daray in xafiisyada heyadaha QM ee ku yaala magaalada Nairobi dhowaan si dhaqsi ah loogu rari doono magaalada Muqdisho si halkaas ay uga shaqeeyaan. “Madaxweynaha dowladda Soomaaliya waxaan kula kulmay magaalada Addis Ababa xiligii uu socday shirkii Midowga Afrika, sidoo kale Muqdisho waxaan kula soo kulmay ra’iisul wasaaraha Soomaaliya, guddoonka baarlamaanka iyo wasiirro ka tirsan xukuumadiisa waxana isla garanay in xoogga la saaro sidii amaanka dalka loo soo xaqiijin lahaa, loona horumarin lahaa hay’ado ay ka mid yihiin garsoorka, kuwa dhaqaalaha iyo maamulka dowliga ah” ayuu intaa ku daray Jeffery Fartman.