You do know that many of the early settlers were unwanted puritans from Europe right? Also,why don't you compare actual secular nations like Sweden and South Korea rather than bringing up the least least secular nation in the west .Islam is already predominant in Somalia, what makes you think sharia law in a destitute nation would fix its social issues?

Sure there is a shared history, but there will be no brotherhood under the current administration and its western backed policies.

burahadeer;837847 wrote: Read this thread, it's very long probably take you couple hrs...very interesting though. it's in stormfront(nazi site). http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=somalid%20race&source=web&cd=14&ved=0CIMBEBYwDQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.stormfront.org%2Fforum%2Ft554149%2F&ei=ZrieT_TSGar26AG0wIynDw&usg=AFQjCNEO68mIKXPcBQThFocMBhcXdEpAVg Hahaha, that one is a classic.

I agree with you on that point, I personally think they are both (Alcohol & cigarettes) harmful to societies, especially developing ones. I'm just against the sudden leaps made to appease a few hardcore lobbyists. More thought is needed before implementation, for example, why didn't the government consider the fact that brum (similar to Rum), has been served as a beverage for thousands of years by the Malays?

I didn't make any assumptions, the most widely speculated place of origin for E1b1b1 is East Africa. Also, I meant to say neither group can claim it as their own as we are all descended from those early pastoralists. We just happen to live in the region that spawned them and to which they returned.

Yes, but the obvious difference is the fact that Scandinavians can actually afford it.

I believe you're right, from what I know, East Africans, along with "Middle Easterners" settled Egypt some 8,000 odd years ago and they back migrated back to East Africa afterwords. Anything that could be described as being Arabs or Somali didn't even exist at that point so no ethnic group can really claim it. It spread west into North Africa, East towards the Arabian peninsula and South into the Horn of Africa.

What about moonshine? Social engineering projects conducted by governments tend to fall flat on their faces, you can see it in Indonesia. The high government taxes on Alcohol imports leads to several hundred deaths a year from alcohol poisoning (as a result of inexperienced moonshiners using methanol).

Marksman;837771 wrote: I know that people have free will, but isn't it one of the tasks of the government to limit the easy acces to sin? For instance by only selling alcohol at certain places and to certain people (non believers). Easily offering some 'sinful' things to the public for them to choose between right or wrong is not the way to go according to me. Here in the Netherlands people are contemplating to change the minimum age of buying alcohol from 16 to 18 for instance and selling alcohol at certain specific places (no more in the supermarket). Although I don't think this will be accepted widely by the elite and alcohol companies. Yes there is a lot of hypocrisy within some Muslim states. An example for this is when I was in the K.S.A. and posters with children on it were pixelated, because the state thinks this will increase pedofilia. The fear of sinning is rampant over there and very laughable. Religious police is backwards and nullifies the concept of sinning. It does not accept that people can make mistakes and repent themselves to the AllMighty on their own terms. There should be a balance between the right to sin and that the government should protect the moral fabric of a society. Why do you think the fear of sinning is rampant? Is it due to the fact that a few religious scholars are cosy with the government and can impose their religious will on others with little accountability, it's similar to the lobby groups in U.S that hold sway over political decisions, the majority are held hostage by the few. Also, how would one enforce an alcohol ban? Would someone who claims to longer be a Muslim be exempt or would they face death for the crime of apostasy? Why on earth would someone need a government body to keep them sinning? It Seems pretty disingenuous to me.

I've been lurking for about 6 months (joined a couple weeks ago) and I agree, based on what I've seen the most vocal members tend to be on the extremes, but that goes for pretty much any topic in the world so I'm not too worried about it.

I keep hearing this argument of Sharia not being properly implemented, therefore any mention of the current state ofMuslim countries is tossed aside. It reminds me of the communists who will brush off the bloody history and attribute it solely to the likes of Stalin and Pol Pot. What both groups fail to realise that the system they're fighting for transfers to power to a non selected few who in most cases are corrupt. Since corruption is a natural by product of human civilization, shouldn't we ensure that religion is safe from the state? Bureaucratizing Islam will stifle discussion and the repercussions will be felt by future generations.

My analysis on Ethiopia's analysis: A Wall of Deflection. This is how professionals control a sovereign state, chastise your puppets in public to remove all suspicion.

This is the same moron who wrote a piece on the benefits that would come with a recolonized Somalia. I partially agree with him on part about ethnic nationalism though. He doesn't seem to know much about Somalia to begin with, let alone the nature of the current oil exploration. With a name like Solomon, I'm curious to know his thoughts on the idea of a Jewish state, I have a feeling it will differ from his views in this article.

That map of Somaliland appears to be out of date:D

Xaaji Xunjuf;835703 wrote: ^^ They are not interested to go back unless they will make millions or become a Ministers or even President That's the problem though, everyone thinks they deserve to live in a lavish house because they've managed to seek asylum in a developed nation. All they're really doing is inflating housing prices when they haven't invested in the local economy. Which is exactly what's happening in Vancouver right now, the rich from abroad are essentially pricing locals out of homes.

I think some of the diaspora contributes greatly to many of the issues we see in Somalia today. They contribute when they act as politicians from the safety of cafes around the world, they then throw parties at banquet halls and wave flags as if they've accomplished something.