^^ Is your definition of flirting asking trivial questions?

does the expression of disappointment connote elevated/superior status whether its a momentary or lasting state?

Safferz;990724 wrote: They are also often just as abstract, random and incomprehensible haa asaga waa abwaan walahi.

Khayr why do you write your posts in the aesthetic form of a poem??

you know saffy the gabra have another maamaah you may be more akin to. "a poor man shames us all"

what do y'all think of this gabra maahmaah “God first, then man, then camel and lastly the girl”

Safferz;990693 wrote: I'm sorry but there's just so much evidence to support the theory at this point, I agree with whoever it was who first suggested the two of you are the split personalities of one individual. Jekyll and Hyde, SP and Apo Get better soon Apo/SP... This is all a ploy to unravel the 'mysterious' SP orchestrated by the very likes of dam jadiid. I will not give in give in and provide sensitive information in attempts to prove myself!

WTF not this again!!! i cant handle this as i am not well

sick

^ Thats great to hear and very encouraging

Safferz;990438 wrote: Where does the UNESCO definition say anything about what language literacy is measured in? How do you think multilingual societies, like virtually every other country in Africa, grapple with the challenge of measuring literacy? It's not tied to the ability to read/write Somali, it's about the ability of people to recognize, read and communicate in a writing system. You missed the point saffy. The UNESCO definition states "ability to identify, understand, interpret, create, communicate and compute..." This definition does not capture the Somali who can simply read and write arabic, through his dugsi studies, which is essentially all that is important for the premise of this argument made by Odey. whereas "understanding, creating, interpreting..." is not relevant in this debate and thus why your statistic is misleading

^^Lool you have read my mind. Well i think its a fair arrangement. this somalilander chick tried to get me to marry her to take her back to the states. perhaps I was too soon to dismiss such marriage. i stand to benefit Somaliland citizenship. maybe I should call her :confused:

And what about via marriage?

How exactly does a Koonfurian go about getting citizenship. I appreciate objectivity Xaajiow

Safferz;990405 wrote: Except the statistics I cited are from UNESCO, so... And that is precisely why it is misguiding. You made the statement that the premise of this thread, that most somalis can read/write arabic is wrong, because most Somalis are illiterate. Given the UNESCO definition, a faraax who can read and write arabic, through his dugsi background, would not be considered literate. Despite the fact that he can still 'read' arabic, which is essentially the premise of the thread.

Xaaji Xunjuf;990400 wrote: ^^ You are not from Somaliland last time i checked you were a Kenyan citizen Loooooooooooool I am not a Kenyan citizen. btw there are is a huge number of Kenyan Somalilanders.

DoctorKenney;990396 wrote: Never did I claim that Somali *are* literate. Most Somalis cannot read, and I never claimed otherwise. I'm just stating the obvious. Somalis can read the Arabic script, but can't understand the language. So perhaps a solution could be to change our writing system. For example, Ayan can read the Arabic script, but Ayan doesn't understand the Arabic language. So she can't be considered "literate" since she can't understand what's she's reading. However, Ayan can speak Somali, and understand Somali. But she has no familiarity with the Latin script (which Somali is written in) so therefore she's unable to read Somali. She would be considered technically illiterate. But if the Somali language was switched to the Arabic script, Ayan would now be able to read Somali fully. Now Ayan would be considered literate. Do you see how this little change can raise our literacy rate in one day? I feel like I'm repeating myself here. Indeed. Well said. What further confirms your point is UNESCO defines literacy as the "ability to identify, understand, interpret, create, communicate and compute, using printed and written materials associated with varying contexts. Literacy involves a continuum of learning in enabling individuals to achieve their goals, to develop their knowledge and potential, and to participate fully in their community and wider society [and the inability to do is defined as illiteracy]. " Given such definition, the statistics used by safferz is misguiding in context of this argument.

How can I prepare to be a registered voter Xaaji? I don't want to miss the elections like last time.

Safferz;990357 wrote: lool SP We are talking about a time before Somalia became the hot mess of politicized clan difference that it is now, Osmaniya was the script adopted by a populist, pan-Somali nationalist organization, the Somali Youth League. From what I understand, it was the only indigenous script that stood a chance against Shire Jama Ahmed's Latin based orthography and those who campaigned for Arabic. I still don't know how the Latin based script won out though, but then again it was a dictatorship... I think the Osmaniya script only stood a chance because it was the 'script' of the Barre's ex-clan. Anyways, I agree with the skepticism on the literacy rate figures in Somalia. I think these statistics undermine the presence of Dugsi and the learning of Quran. Perhaps since the Arabic used in the Quran is more traditional and exclusive form of arabic, these people who can read the Quran are not considered 'literate' because of their lack of familiarity with mainstream arabic idk. Anyways I think its naive to undermine the understanding of the arabic script in Somalia.

Safferz;990346 wrote: I disagree with the premise of this thread -- most Somalis are illiterate, period. Children in dugsi or folks on this forum aren't representative of the literacy rates as a whole back home, and the ones who can read Arabic are generally the same ones who can read Somali. As Che points out, the key issue here is access and enrollment in primary education. But some interesting arguments here re: orthography and its foreignness, it's true that Somalis - and African Muslims more generally - adopted the Arabic script for their languages historically where they did not have indigenous writing systems, and those writings today are known as ajami literature to historians. There are good arguments for and against both, but I think today the Latin script enables Somalis to easily read and learn English, French and other international as well as regional languages that are of greater significance in the current global economy. At this point I see little utility in changing it, though sometimes looking back at the orthography debates of the 60s and 70s, I kinda wish the indigenous scripts like Osmaniya pushed by Somali nationalists had won out I've always been a little jealous of the Ge'ez alphabet used by Amharic, Tigrinya and other Ethiopian/Eritrean Semitic languages. If the use of indigenous scripts was implemented by the government, they must use the 4.5 system. Five letters for the Osmanya script, 5 letters for the Boroma script, , 5 letters of Kaddare for our dear HAG, 2.5 latin letters for our bantu brothers ect

You people and your social formalities

So the revolutionary has been killed off. way to go admin for stealing a play out of the CIA handbook

I believe Odey has a point. The use of the arabic script will help increase literacy. though the arabic scripts has its own setbacks

Safferz;990157 wrote: SP, who the hell is this ? Lol idk. An imposter? I wasn't around during his days but have come across some of his posts. Perhaps the loud Kaluun has a point on the defects of SOL

I was with this chick once in lido. she was wearing a baati and carrying a soccer ball trying to claim territory to start a game. it caused a bit of a scene but It aint too bad...