Many governments are corrupt the difference with Africa is what I call "unintelligent corruption". Stealing money destined for roads,hospitals and education is what is crippling the continent. In the West, corruption is getting a kick back when governmens award defense contracts and so forth. Though this is bad it doesn't have a direct and detrimental effect on the average person.

Che -Guevara;852346 wrote: ^I am not talking about you but only those I have met but enlighten us with your journey to nirvana. Leave the comedy to the funny folks. Long process of questioning, comparing and learning about history. All these become possible when one realises the imaginary threat of hell is just that, imaginery. In sum, it's a long process of mental evolution.

Che -Guevara;852335 wrote: Well, other than the two atheists I mentioned earlier whose transformation was rooted in practical experience and yearning questions, the rest simply follow certain predictable timeline starting with studying at school where it seems their confined mind exploded and took in everything that come their way. They really can't tell you when was the critical juncture where things have become clear for them. All they do is regurgitate things they heard in class or venues they frequent once they get baptized. Lol- your ignorance is worthy of a comedy sketch.

Taleexi;852325 wrote: Freeman: I operate within the confines of the Islamic faith thus, we can not infer the same sources. However, I urge you to come out of the shadows and live the life you really want to the fullest. Pleasing others has never been a tool for success. Lastly, frame your questions with some modesty and rationality if you care people to take you seriously. I do not live my life in ”shadow" as family and friends know my position and I rarely do things to please others ( bar the honeys ). Also, the title of the thread is reasonable and would only offend those who wish it to be so. What others feel I cannot help.

Wadani;852319 wrote: I'd be interested to know what our resident athiests/agnostics on this forum majored in university (assuming they've attended). Somalis usually assume that its philosophy which sets one on a path to blasphemy, but I'd bet the backgrounds of the non-believers here are more varied. There's no connection between going to university and rejecting faith. Humans have the ability to think critically though some choose not to nourish this aspect of the mind. Btw- are you aware that you're a blasphemer according to other religions? You maybe angering other gods even now!

Taleexi;852297 wrote: Are you really a freeman? Free of religion, yes. Abtigiis;852303 wrote: I have no problem with Free-Man not fasting. I am a tolerant person and what Free-man does is between him and his God if he has one. I cannot break utensils in anger because he is not fasting. What I find absurd is his question. It looked to me he wanted to pain the muslims in this forum. And i find that offensive. What is it you are looking for? Praise? condemnation? Re-read your first post and tell me you have no problem with my position. I'm not looking for anything but the opinion of people; something you do regularly here. If the word ’rationalist' offends you that's your problem; you have no right to ask not to be offended.

Abtigiis;852277 wrote: My 'adulterer' self-depiction is fiction.Say the same about your 'not fasting' and we are even. *Blessed;852280 wrote: Explain the connection? Johnny B;852291 wrote: ^ Turning and twisting it won't change the REALITY at hand. The Freeman clearly asked the question to the non-religious, be they Atheists or agnostics. That some of you accuse him of bad-timing the question ( i guess due to Ramadan ) or equating his payment of "lip-service" to him being "a Coward" is not of any significance, as it goes without saying that at "Ramadan" we "non-religious Somalis" have to put up with family and friends' high religious sensibilties. In short all you seem to be demanding of him is to extend that generousity of safeguarding religious-sensibilities to you and the Fora,which is in my view more like a choice for him to make but not a right for you to demand. To answer you fellow Freeman i'd say yes it all depends on the person(s) i am dealing with, sometimes its both rationally and morally justified to pay lip-service to Ramadan safeguarding family & friends' sensibilities, and / or delay eating and not infront of them, but for an everyday Farax or Xalimo i'd have no problems enjoying my meal infront of them. Case in point. i can't leave this thread without having the urge of saying " ramadan karim" to Abtigis , Norf and Che`for that matter. And you're right regarding the misplaced demand of respect, i don't have to respect the use of "marjuana" though millions believe in it being good and use it. You got it. The thread was for people who were not religious and it said nothing about attacking Ramadan or those who fast. That some people took it as a personal attack is mind boggling. I think what it shows is the intolerantand immoral nature of those who claim to be more moral than rationalist.

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Nin-Yaaban;852284 wrote: Waxaan kuu heestey qof macquul ah sxb. Waa iska nasiib daro. Sxb, I'm happy I don't meet your criteria of someone ”macquul" as it would be a moral abomination.

Abtigiis;852277 wrote: My 'adulterer' self-depiction is fiction.Say the same about your 'not fasting' and we are even. There is no way to know if you were telling the truth before or now.

MoonLight1;852271 wrote: His type has been existing since the time of the prophet (pbuh), and they are called sneaky cowardly hypocrites (Munaafiqiin). (And when they meet those who believe, they say, "We believe"; but when they are alone with their evil ones, they say, "Indeed, we are with you; we were only mockers.) [Qur'an 2:14] Being called "Munaafiqiin" by a Muslim is like being called racist by a nazi; it doesn't mean much!

Abtigiis;852265 wrote: ,,, more like a coward and a cheat. Traits that are not pleasant. If you don't want to fast, why not say so. And the worst of all, you come here and advertize your dishonesty like if you have killed a lion with your bare hands. Few weeks back you were complaining about being an adulterer and you call me a cheat? Remind me, what's the Islamic punishment for such actions?

Che -Guevara;852215 wrote: A rational person will respect what's dear to millions of people in the world. Take rest and let the Muslims fast in peace. There's time and place for everything. A rational person respects truth above "dear to millions".

Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar;852208 wrote: 'Rationalist' my back. Haddaaba Rabigaaga ka baqeynin, why fear mere mortals. Mise your true fear is the Soomaali social rejection, being ostracized and whatnot. "Why fear mere mortals?"- I have no irrational fear of "mere mortals" but don't be so quick to dismiss them especially when they think god is on their side. I have no fear of social rejection; my family and friends know that I'm not interested in their faith and they never push it. Well, soon or later, banaanka ayaa isa soo dhigeysaa or you will be living this lie. I mean one can't avoid tacsiyada, meheryada aroosyada, et cetera. As mentioned, close friends and family know I do not share their believes. And yes, one can avoid all those occasions only because they tend to be gatherings dominated by religious egoist (tacsiyada) and the worldly egoist (weddings). I also believe dadka inta ka nacnacleeyo, oo diinta waaka baxnay ku haayo, banaanka isma soo dhigi karaan in non-virtual world. As it had been said, there is no atheist in foxhole, so there is no Soomaali gaal in family gatherings. Yaa ogaado xataa qaarkood markii salaad loo wada istaago abruptly (it happens sometimes) at a Soomaali gathering, safka hore ka galaan mumbling to themselves. But are you surprised such people are forced to live a lie? Do you think it's an easy thing to be ejected from one's own society and peoples? And worse, since many Somalis believe those who do not share their faith should be put to death, is it any wonder people hide in plain sight? If your religion is true why scare and harass people into submission?? Ps: plenty of atheist in foxholes if you care to check your facts: http://www.militaryatheists.org/ ..

Showqi;852165 wrote: ToughGong, I am not saying anything but to get the truth you have to hear both sides of the story. This could be done by the hacker or may be it was posted by an angry employee. And that is why I said let's wait till Dahabshiil confirms You're waiting for them to confirm their hacked passwords was "dahabshill1234"? If they do they're worse than moronic (super moronic?).

I'm forced to pay lip service to it when around the family e.g: I tend not to eat and drink around them but nothing more than that. To those who are non-religious, what is your take on this??

ToughGong.;852142 wrote: When their password is "Dahabshiil1234" they only have themselves to blame How moronic but entirely consistent with the Somali psyche.

wiil;851839 wrote: Relax, you're in the Matrix!

Abwaan;852062 wrote: Lol...he can hear that all day, but he cannot start to eat until the Magrib Adhan? Well, don't I feel like a noob right now.

wiil;851961 wrote: maanta oo ay tahay maalinka ugu horreeya ee ramadaan, maxaad jeceshahay inaad maqasho waxaan jeclahay aadaanka maqrib inaan maqlo, hal mar aan afka furee If you have a smart phone you probably can download prayer time app. Then you can hear the prayer call all the time.

wiil;851620 wrote: There are somali-christians and they are so many, they have their own church in kenya Atleast they believe in some god, unlike our pagans in this page Paganism is a (loose) form of religion atheism is lack of.

I don't see how this is costed; the figures appear arbitrary and product of guess work. Show us the figures, data!

Homunculus;851599 wrote: I forgot the "not". I'm actually not worried about religious diversity, I'm worried from religious fanaticism imported from Saudi Arabia. Al Shabab and Al Qaeda are a cancer that will destroy any civilization that we could possibly have in this country, they will keep the girls locked up and uneducated and censor any new ideas from our education system. agreed!

^^ anyone who understands basic English must be baffled when they look at this sign because those words have never been jointly used in a sentence in the history of the language.

Blackflash;851589 wrote: Coincidentally, both me and The-freeman joined around the same time. Before anyone asks, no we don't know each other and no, we're not the same person. You'll notice that The-freeman is more aggressive and pessimistic than I It's likely just the online equivalent of an allergic reaction to the large number of posts accrued by us over a short period. No worries! This forum will repel the effects of the foreign invaders in no time and eventually return to it's original non-decadent state. It's hard not to be pessimistic when one realises the other pointlessness of it all- it means nothing! But I'm cheery as a sunflower on the weekends though! Forgot to add: this thread wasn't started by an "atheist" but long term poster Caarafat. More:The only reason you're less pessimistic than me Blackflash, is because you're in Canada, the most optimistic land in the world! I bet you got a unicorn for your last birthday (I know they exist!) :D