I'm not sure if this is actually real news, or it's satire... How dumb are these Navy Captains? Wouldn't it be a good idea to at least know your enemy? This isn't even a cultural battle, the pirates aren't the religious type. They're just men who want money, I wouldn't be surprised if these pirates regularly listened to american rap music anyway.

Alpha Blondy;983033 wrote: ^ islamically endowed they say about you. balse, you're not clued up economically, abti? kulaaha rent.....malaha the custodians of the holy cities are paying for this rent? LOL saaxib....renting is a much better option than buying. Unless you want to live in Hooya's house for several years, save up your money, borrow some money from your Uncle's, sell your car, cat, clothes, books, TV's, and then purchase your house... I don't think many people would wanna do that. So renting seems much better

With a lack of better options in many communities here, renting seems like a much better option than taking out a mortgage loan. And there are many Economists and others who say the same thing. And these are Non-Muslims who are stating this. We Muslims have an even bigger incentive to rent our homes to avoid Riba. Rent, don't buy.

^^ The Maher was just an example of the entire attitude I was trying to convey here. Some (and I only mean SOME) Somali women say to a brother "I want this, I want that, I want this, I want that" (car, house, clothes, everything) .....but when she meets an Ajnabi she says to him "My only requirement is that you're Muslim" ....are you telling me you aren't disturbed by this pattern? Why the two sets of standards? Again, this only goes for a small minority of women. And BTW, Pakistanis are Muslims. So the men would have to pay a Maher to find a wife. You're confusing Pakis with Hindus here...

Rahima;982838 wrote: I didn't expect that you would see your own hypocrisy. Get a hobby boys and stop this obsession with who Somali women choose to marry- it isn't about you. I think what a lot of the posters on this thread are upset about, is the perceived "cheapness" of Somali women when they choose to lower their standards when marrying an Ajnabi man. If a Xalimo wants to marry a foreigner, go ahead. But don't lower the standards you had in place for Somali men, because this just embarrasses us as a people. If I, as a Somali man, am capable of marrying a Pakistani woman with much more ease than a local Pakistani man, then that would be disturbing and downright disgraceful for all Pakistanis. If I am capable of marrying her with only a $5 Mahr while the Paki brother would have to give her a Mahr of $5000, it would send a message that their women are worthless and easy to marry. Am I correct here? We're not asking this Somali sister to stick to her own kind. We're just asking her to have a little self-respect. Marry whoever you want. Just have some self-respect

You see most of the Muslims nowadays who don't even pray their Salat, they imitate the Westerners in their mannerisms and dress, and they attempt to imitate Western countries when they form their governments (Pakistan, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Morocco, Bangladesh, Jordan, Indonesia, etc.) Start with your Salat. Everything else comes after. And victory will come after as a result. The Muslims nowadays don't practice their religion at all. They tend to be unproductive and ignorant and that is the reason why we're in such a weak position. But times change, and I hope that my grandchildren or great grandchildren witness the Rise of Islam again, because it will happen.

guleed_ali;982530 wrote: Safferz is our Muslim sister so let's follow our beloved Prophet's saying that " الدين نصيحه " (Religion is advice). Doctor Kenney is my brother in Islam (I'm assuming you're a brother) who I love for the sake of Allah. It's okay to disagree so long as we don't go too far and insult one another. Sister Safferz if you have a question about something within the deen feel free to ask it and we can get you a correct answer if we can't answer it ourselves. Dr. Kenney seems to be well versed in matters of Shari'ah and I believe he just wants the best for you. I hope we can all get along as Muslim brothers and Sisters and not resort to name calling and shouting matches. Wa billahi attawfiq You're right. I'm really sorry about this and I shouldn't have been so harsh when making my points. I was just irritated that Safferz implied that anyone who looks at Islam differently than her, is a moron who sees everything in black and white. I didn't like her condescending attitude, but I had no right to behave like that. That isn't the Sunnah and that's not appropriate. I take it back. But I still stand by my positions on Islamic principles. We Muslims should be proud of our religion, we shouldn't have to bend and twist Islam in order to accommodate the opinions and sensitivities of Liberals. Instead of worrying about what the Liberals think of us, we should be worried about what Allah thinks of us. And that's what matters at the end of the day. We shouldn't be analysing Islam to see if it's compatible with Western liberalism. We should be analysing Western liberalism to see if it's compatible with Islam. There's a huge difference here. The Americans are extremely proud of their values and their way of life, and you don't see them making any apologies for what they believe in, no matter what it is. The Soviets were proud of their values and their way of life as well. So why aren't the Muslims proud of their way of life? What happened to our honour and our self-respect, where we see ourselves kissing the feet of Western liberals and begging them to accept us and our way of life? Islam and Western Liberalism are incompatible, they're irreconcilable. We have our religion and they have their religion. Instead of worrying about them, we should put our trust in Allah and let Allah take care of the situation. You have to understand that these Liberals are opposed to the most basic matters of Islamic Aqeedah. They quote verses from the Quran which state that the Mushrikeen are going to Hell-Fire and they throw a temper tantrum and then claim that Islam is intolerant. So it goes to show us what Allah said in the Quran, "The Jews and Christians will never be pleased with you till you follow their religion." and you see the great wisdom in this Quranic verse. Stop denying the most basic aspects of Shariah, such as the cutting of a thief's hand or the whipping of the fornicator, in order to appease and please these Liberals. You see them criticizing the Islamic Shariah and then demand that we change and become like them.We should be on the offensive and questioning their corrupt way of life, and demand that THEY change and become like us. You see their societies and witness how corrupt they've become, with their high crime rate, drug usage, homosexuality, prostitution, marital infidelity and number of rapes. Western societies have a superior economic output, but that's it. Their social values are corrupted, and you see their societies falling apart. Their moral values are constantly changing, so what was acceptable in 1900 in America is no longer acceptable today, and vice-versa. There's no consistency when it comes to their beliefs, and when you really analyse it, you realize how shallow and bankrupt their ideology is. You never saw the Noble Prophet bend over and apologize for his beliefs to the pagan Meccans, even though they were far more powerful and wealthy than he was. He stuck to his principles, he put his trust in Allah, and within a few years he overcame them and Islam became powerful. You never saw Abu Bakr and Umar bend over and cower in front of the Byzantine and Persian Armies, even though those were the 2 super-powers of the time. The Muslims were vastly outnumbered, out-gunned, and didn't have the economic resources of the Persians and Byzantines. But they stuck to their principles, and within a few years the Muslims overcame and conquered Persia and Rome. Islam is what it is. You need to get rid of this inferiority complex, and ONLY think about what Allah's opinion of you is. If the Muslims had the upper-hand today (which they will inshaAllah), and if we were the global powers of today....the same Liberal Muslims you see today would be supporting Shariah law. But because the United States and Europe are the global powers, you see them cowering and apologizing for their beliefs. Be consistent. Islam is the truth whether there are 2 billion Muslims or just 5 Muslims. And you have no right to reinterpret the religion according to your desires, as this is a form of Shirk and it's unacceptable. If you study the Shariah in detail, you will see the great wisdom behind it and you will conclude that it is by far the best system that exists. Islam isn't the best civilization, it's the ONLY civilization. We are the only people who are capable of being morally upright and economically productive, who master the fields of science while at the same time being humble towards Allah. And you should be proud that you are part of this faith. Quran 3:110 "You are the best nation produced [as an example] for mankind. You enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and believe in Allah." Quran 23:71 "But if the Truth had followed their inclinations, the heavens and the earth and whoever is in them would have been ruined. Rather, We have brought them their message, but they, from their message, are turning away." (stop reinterpreting Islam to follow your inclinations)

Khayr;982454 wrote: Our youth are easy prey sheep for the sheep in wolves clothing world of liberal academia. They almost always graduate with another Shahada (pun intended). It's actually such a disgrace saaxib. Somali kids going into university and studying Philosophy or Sociology or some other useless major and they graduate with the assumption that they know everything and often use big fancy words when talking just to prove a point. I have a couple Somali girls on my Facebook that are guilty of this. I see them writing long paragraphs on topics they know nothing about, but because they have a Liberal Arts degree, they feel like their opinion is worth something. Islam is as it is. You can't "re-interpet" Islam to fit your desires. Either take it or leave it. Islam has 2 aspects; 1. Aqeedah and 2. Fiqh .....If you don't even understand the Aqeedah fully then you have no right to start speaking of Fiqh issues. Get your basics done first. I don't see a 7 year old kid trying to understand Algebra and Calculus, so why is Safferz trying to do the same with Islamic Fiqh? There are many many books about Islam, and I suggest you start increasing your knowledge on it and you'll eventually realize the great wisdom behind Islamic legislation. But take baby steps first.

That was a long-winded paragraph insulting me and others on this forum, without really saying anything of substance. You don't know me and you know nothing about me at all. But nice job making assumptions about my character. And it's laughable how your "PHD in History" from an American school makes you qualified to make personal Ijtihad on Islamic Fiqh when it's clear that you know nothing about Quranic Tafsir, Hadiths and early Islamic history. Your little Liberal Arts degree is giving you the confidence and nerve to make long-winded posts about topics you're totally ignorant of, and then you try to pass yourself as an intellectual. Learn your place, you're an amateur. I once took a class on the French Revolution when I was in University. Does this somehow make me an expert on French History? Or does it make me a man who knows a little bit about France and that's it. And it's clear from your posts that you look at Islam through your liberal lenses, and you try and interpret Islam according to your Liberal inclinations. And you're telling me that I "lack intellectual curiosity". Either speak good or remain silent. I'm advising you to remain silent, re-enrol in University, and study something else instead. Something worthwhile Thanks to you Safferz, If I ever have children (inshaAllah), I will explicitly forbid my daughters and sons from studying Liberal Arts in University, and instead make them study Engineering, Healthcare or any of the other hard sciences. I'm not gonna have them become as corrupted and deluded as you. What a shame wallahi

Tallaabo;982405 wrote: Doctor Kenney, to me race and culture are not important at all, only value are. And Somalia or the Somali territories will not go anywhere, they will just be in the hands of a new kind of "Somalis". Probably a new breed which is more tolerant, more patriotic, and more peaceful. The Somali territories will become just like Venezuela, Colombia, and Argentina- no clan, no problem. I really do hope that you stay far far away from any Somali community as your self-hatred is too much to bear. I can only imagine Wadani barfing while reading this.

Safferz;982385 wrote: ^^ look, like I said I have nothing invested in this debate and I don't care where people's opinions fall on this. If you have been reading this thread in context and read my responses to the semi-literate Classified, you would know that everything I've said is simply to point out that every matter that is ambiguous in the Quran is part of centuries of scholarly debate in Islamic intellectual history, and that everything that isn't explicitly stated to be haram in the Quran has been subject to scholarly inquiry. I'm sorry if it offends some of you fundamentalists that THIS is the Islamic tradition, and you can't change that. Ibn Taymiyyah said women can lead men in prayer, for instance. That was his scholarly opinion, others disagree. Am I "changing Islam" for saying that? No, except to morons who see everything in black and white and are unfamiliar with Islamic scholarship and history. This is my last post in this thread, I've wasted enough time making this same point here. I really suggest you stick to your Liberal Arts studies in college and refrain from talking about things you know nothing about. If you make a claim, you'd better substantiate it or withdraw it. Don't make the claim, and then claim that you're "uninterested" to carry the topic on further. And don't reference ambiguous Islamic politicians to make a point. I'm advising you to remain silent about what you don't know, as you're only making a fool of yourself on this forum. Don't approach topics with little research and zero knowledge. We are all laypeople, and you should be honest enough to admit that

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Tallaabo;982389 wrote: It is good to see diaspora Somalis melting into the cultures and populations of their host societies. A peaceful Horn of Africa will also see an influx of immigrants from other counties and over the coming decades a lot more inter-racial marriages like this one will occur and become a common place. Given our small population there is also the chance that with greater numbers of inter-racial marriages the Somali culture and phenotype will change completely. Now WHY IN THE WORLD would you want such a thing to happen? I'm really struggling to understand you Tallaabo. In an age when every nation is trying to preserve their unique identity, in an age where the Eastern Europeans want to preserve their culture and lineage, the Chinese want to preserve their culture and lineage, the Arabs want to do the same. But yet you want the SOMALIS to become diluted and done away with, so that in a few generations we won't HAVE a nation to speak of, we won't have our unique culture, our language or our unique features. What are you, a self-hating Somali? What's going on here?

Safferz;982312 wrote: ^^ lol! Well no, not quite, unless you conflate civil law with religious law. Classified also conflates behaviour (what Islam and religions in general try to regulate) with feelings, desires, thoughts, etc. He seems the type to tell a gay Muslim not to bother praying, because "you can't be gay and Muslim," but wouldn't say that to his friend with a girlfriend, or a Muslim who drinks and parties. And I can't stand Irshad Manji. You can be gay and Muslim, correct. You can even commit homosexual acts and still be Muslim, although you would be sinning. The same way how an alcoholic Muslim or a fornicating Muslim is still a Muslim, even though he's committing major sins. That's not the issue here. The issue is: People who claim to be Muslim but then claim that homosexuality is fine. That there's nothing wrong with it. That homosexual acts are all good. Once you do that, you've left the fold of Islam and this is major kufr. I have Muslim friends who drink alcohol while knowing that they're committing a sin and what they're doing is wrong. They are major sinners, but that doesn't make them Kafir. What would make them a Kafir is if they drank alcohol and attempted to justify it and claim that it's totally fine. There's a huge difference here. That's the criteria. That's where the border-lines are drawn.

Safferz;982304 wrote: Why do you ask me things you can Google ? Bear in mind that Al-Turabi is a political leader who is concerned with Sudan's legal system, that he believes consuming alcohol is not something that should be in the purview of the state (especially one like Sudan, which has Christians too) is not a big deal. Very few countries prohibit alcohol. And the than the question of interfaith marriage, but you can do your own research on that and I'm not interested in getting into that discussion in this thread. Please don't change Islam, by referencing the quotes of ONE obscure modern-day scholar. You sound ridiculous here. It is well known that drinking alcohol (publicly that is), is indeed within the purview of the State, as the 4 Righteous Caliphs (Umar, Abu Bakr, Ali and Uthman) were known to punish alcoholics and they did so after the death of the Noble Prophet. It is well known that Muslim women CANNOT marry Non-Muslims at all. Under no circumstances, and there are no exceptions to this rule. But a Muslim man can marry a chaste Jewish or Christian woman, but this is discouraged. And it would be preferable to marry a Muslim woman instead. I, as a Muslim man, am forbidden to marry an Atheist woman, or a Hindu woman, or a Buddhist woman. I'm ONLY allowed to marry a Christian or Jewish woman under very limited circumstances (she has to be religious, she has to be chaste) and many scholars even say that you would have to be living in an Islamic State for the marriage to be valid. That it wouldn't be valid if you were doing the marriage in the USA or Canada or Europe.

Blackflash;982339 wrote: I've never been bothered by Somali women/ non-Somali men unions in the diaspora. You need only look in the Somali behind bars thread to understand that it's an adaptation to the shortage of eligible bachelors in the Somali diaspora. In the same vein, Somali men marrying outside the race is rather odd to me considering the selection that the lack of competition gives them. +1 I feel the exact same way. I will never understand why a Somali man would choose to marry an Ajnabi (despite the fact that there's a surplus of eligible Somali women). I myself will never do it, and I will never promote any Somali man who marries an cadaan or hispanic woman. Said Rageah, Mo Farah, and Rageh Omar, I'm looking at you. But I fully understand and sympathize with the Somali women marrying Ajnabis (due to the shortage of eligible Somali men). You have to deal with the circumstances you're facing. As long as the kids are raised as Muslims, and are familiar with Somali culture, then it wouldn't be that bad. If these Xalimos are approaching 30 and are still unable to find themselves someone decent, who in their right mind would protest inter-racial marriage?

May Allah disgrace Hobbesian-Brute and then relegate Hobbesian-Brute to the lowest depths of the Fire. Ameen

These kids don't seem to understand that jobs are created all the time. There isn't a "fixed limit" of the amount of jobs in Somalia. Diaspora men returning to invest in their Homeland will multiply the amount of jobs available for the local Somalis. In other words, Somalia's economy is like a pie. The richest get the largest share of the pie, and the poorest Somalis get the smallest share of the pie. The objective is: Increase the size of the pie, so that everyone is better off. Be optimistic, there are better days ahead. As Somalia becomes more peaceful, foreign direct investment will go up dramatically, which will benefit everyone, insha Allah.

Haatu;975111 wrote: The ignorance! Do you know that this is just one opinion of the scholars when it comes to differences of opinion in fiqh? Did you know that another opinion is that the Muslim should follow the easier of the options due to Allah's saying "Allah wants ease for you, not hardship"? (or something along those lines, I can't remember where exactly the ayah is). Did yo also know that another opinion is that if the person is knowledgeable enough he/she should read the proofs presented and follow the one he feels to be the truth? Saaxib, don't waste time with him. He made a statement on Islam with zero knowledge, and he tried to pass it off as facts. The Prophet said "Dispel the hudud (punishments) with doubt", and in Islamic Shariah the Judge is always obliged to take a lenient position and forgive the offenders. Hobbes opinions on Islam hold no weight, and shouldn't be addressed, since they're not even based on facts. Don't give him any legitimacy by responding to him at all. Save yourself the trouble. If he comes with good arguments, I'd be happy to read them

Yes Hobbes, I understand that the KSA's statements on those who don't pray isn't the correct Islamic approach in dealing with them. But either way, I myself have been to Saudi Arabia, and so have many of my friends and family members.....and never have I been harassed or questioned on whether I prayed or not. This is just some ridiculous argument that might possibly work on someone who's never been to Saudi Arabia, but don't insult my intelligence. Furthermore, the Prophet said in this Hadith, and it's well-known that he made this point as an emphasis as to how important the Prayer was, and these weren't orders to start burning those who didn't show up for the Prayer. They weren't to be taken literally. Anyone with SLIGHT common sense could understand this, and he even said "I was thinking of", and this didn't constitute a concrete order. Knowing whether someone skipped the prayer or not is impossible, as this constitutes spying, and spying is explicitly forbidden in Islam. There was the well-known story of Umar bin Khattab--when he was Caliph--doing his nightly patrols. And he spied on one of his neighbours, and noticed that he was drinking alcohol in his home, something forbidden in Islam. Umar didn't apply the Hudud punishment here, as this is the man's own house, and to do so would be to candidly admit spying, something totally forbidden in the religion. To make claims on Islam and then point to modern-day examples, as if this is going to convince me, is ridiculous and idiotic. Your knowledge of Islam is very little, you can't even make consistent arguments and you sound very childish. Before you start preaching, at least gain some knowledge on what you're preaching first. Worthy note of advice

Naxar Nugaaleed;974243 wrote: Honest question, why the need for governmental reinforcement to be a good Muslim and freely practice your religion? Honest question: Why are you dodging the issue with ridiculous points? I'm not saying that the Government should barge into people's homes and say "Are you praying?! Are you fasting?! Are you fulfilling the obligations required under Islam?!" as obviously, this isn't the Government's job, and that would be a violation of someone's privacy. You seem to think that Sharia is a system where the Government spies on your private life and makes your life a living hell. I suggest you read ONE book, just ONE book on the Sharia System and tell me if your opinion doesn't change. Al Shabaab's crimes needn't be mentioned here. They are an anomaly

Naxar Nugaaleed;974168 wrote: Yaa Doctor, yes I am a "secularist". lets be clear though, there is no suppression in a secular society, you are left to your own devices unlike a theocratic one Might I suggest though that logic and even Islam are also "secularist", does not Islam say there is no compulsion in religion and to each his own religion? all that is beside the point though, did even see Mubarak as a Secularist but my "support" (I prefer understanding rather then support) has nothing to do with that but everything to do with the undignified treatment of a ailing old man who devoted his whole life to his country. Why do you keep saying that? "He devoted his whole life to serving his country". Allah granted Hosni Mubarak 30 years of power. 30 years, he could have done something to improve the state of Egypt, fulfill the rights of his citizens, and develop the economy of his nation. But instead he and his cronies took full-advantage of Egypt's wealth and suppressed the people. The man had a golden opportunity--as not many men have the chance to actually rule over a country of millions of people. And Hosni abused this privilege which Allah has given him. It's actually a shame that Mubarak's not being put to death. And to claim that Islam is "secularist" is a statement bordering on kufr, as Islam isn't just a religion, but an entire way of life. We Muslims don't seek to prevent Christians, Jews, or other Kaafirs from practicing their religion. They have a right to their own beliefs and customs, and should never be abused. They are free to do as they please, and we Muslims are obliged to protect them from harm. But to claim that Secularism is a system that's better than Islam, is candidly admitting that Men are more wise and are more capable of legislating laws than Allah Himself. Are you going to actually say such a despicable statement?

Che -Guevara;974122 wrote: Naxar. All of people, I am surprised it is you who is defending a dictator. I'm not surprised at all saaxib. This is coming from Naxar, a man who's secularist inclinations are in full-view to anyone in this forum. He previously said that Islam should be pushed back and suppressed, and should be restricted to "only the 4 corners of the mosque, and nothing else".... I wouldn't be surprised that he supported Mubarak, a secularist dictator who was well-known for suppressing Islamists. Naxar is willing to side with Dictators as long as he agrees with their ideologies. He has zero principles

Naxar Nugaaleed;974068 wrote: Indeed Justice is served, releasing a ailing 90 year old who spent his life serving his country. Is there something wrong with you Naxar? You actually support the release of the infamous Hosni Mubarak? Can you not see that he was a despot and a corrupt Dictator? Where is your Imaan left?

Naxar Nugaaleed;973704 wrote: Kickz, just making sure. Hobbs, masakiintan are misguided, they are not dieing for Allah or Islam but Mohamed Morsi and his political party. These protesters have brought this country to its knees economically and socially. wonder why they don't just call it a day, sure by now they see the only way forward is compromise. Naxar you have a very sick mentality. And a very twisted way of thinking. You're accusing the Muslim Brotherhood of bringing Egypt to it's knees, when you know very well that the corrupt Generals and their stooges are responsible for this mess in Egypt. Instead of respecting the democratic outcome, they initiate a Coup D'Etat simply because they THINK Mohamed Morsi is "too Islamist". Put blame where the blame belongs. It's the Muslim Brotherhood that's being massacred. Its mosques that are being burnt, its "bearded men" are being harassed, imprisoned and killed by these godless Secularists, who are opposed to Islam having ANY influence in governmental affairs. The Islamists have the moral high-ground because they are the legitimate Leaders of Egypt, they were legitimately elected, and these despicable secularists refuse to understand that. Allah knows Best, and Allah knows who is best deserving of His Mercy. If anything, these events in Egypt opened up the Muslim's eyes to the fact that these secularists, liberals, and Atheists are a huge threat, and should not be trusted at all. Morsi made the mistake of reaching out to them and trying to ally with them. At least now we know their true colors. Their opinions should never have been taken seriously. The Republicans of the USA dislike Obama, but you don't see them overthrowing the government and instituting marshal law, and persecuting anyone they suspect of supporting Obama. This type of stuff is almost unheard of, but it's happening in Egypt and these Liberals, who usually talk about "democracy" and "freedom", are applauding such actions. At least now the Egyptians have learned their lesson. "The Believer is not stung from the same hole twice" --Prophet Muhammad