LOL I really like my profile picture now, but it took me some time to get used to this new layout

Totally agree Safferz. Those who are complaining about this phenomenon of young Somalis dropping out, have ZERO solutions themselves. They yell and complain but have nothing to offer at all. If this all-Somali task-force in the Toronto District School Board wants to lower the dropout rate, then by all means I welcome it.

Believe me Allyourbase, I feel the exact same way about you. I've totally given up on you

Tallaabo, there really is no use in continuing a discussion with him. You and AllYourBase have different definitions of what's acceptable or what's not. He will never accept the existence of miracles (Prophet Solomon talking to animals, Prophet Noah living for 950 years, Prophet Muhammad traveling to Heaven and back in a single night) whereas we Muslims accept that the Creator, Allah, is able to provide miracles to all of his Prophets. You can spend hours in this type of discussion, but there's no possible way to make it acceptable to someone who refuses to believe in the Supernatural, and who refuses to acknowledge that there is a Creator (Allah) who is able to perform these miraculous events. And Allah is able to do all things

Why is this even an issue? The only "Christians" in Somalia would be those who are foreign expatriates who came to Somalia for business purposes, but since those foreigners are so few in number (due to the 23 year civil war), then it shouldn't even be discussed Are we going to discuss whether Sikh holidays or Buddhist holidays should be celebrated in Somalia? How about Jewish holidays or Rastafarian holidays? It's totally irrelevant and no use in discussing. Let the Christians have their festivals, they should be allowed to practice their religion

Tallaabo....instead of addressing these arguments directly in an endless back-and-forth discussion that bears no fruit. Just leave it. You're not knowledgeable enough to address these arguments head-on (as most people of course) All of these arguments are all addressed on www.letmeturnthetables.com Click on the link and go on the Articles section. There are plenty of other forums and articles that address this.

I would much prefer ebooks over physical copies of books, but that's just me. And I can't stand going to the library and being put on a waiting list for books. So that's not much of an option. My life would be so much easier if they allowed those with EReaders to "rent" books for a specified period of time (like 2 weeks). My life would be so much easier if they actually sold books at a reasonable price, but the AbeBooks website is actually fantastic.

Safferz, random question but: Where do you get your books? Do you buy it from a store, download it off Amazon, or do you use torrents to download a PDF copy of the book? Because if you're an avid reader, buying books from the store constantly is gonna slowly bankrupt you lol

-Serenity-;991305 wrote: Its been a while since I've been around here and I certainly dont miss reading such silly views. Only a petulant teenager with little to no experience of relationships would utter the above nonsense. Grow up, get a little humility and stop spewing crap just because its the internet. Serenity, responding to the likes of Raamsade would only validate him. It's best to ignore him and his kind. It's not worth your time reasoning with him

The books which have had the deepest impact on me were The Quran The Autobiography of Malcolm X Animal Farm 1984 Life of Pi How an Economy Grows and why it doesn't Self-Reliance (it is actually an essay by Ralph Waldo Emerson) Media Control (Noam Chomsky)

Didn't this clown get the hint from my posts earlier? No one is responding to you AllYourBase, because you're preparing arguments which have all been refuted in the past. You didn't even have the competency to respond to my arguments, so why should anyone respond to yours. Register on a real Islamic forum if you want answers to your arguments

You see what he's doing here? He wants to dismiss my advice because he'd rather not "discuss these issues with Arabs he doesn't care for", regardless of whether he wants to find out the truth

AllYourBase, you can "not care" about registering on Islamic Forums all you want, but this just proves to us that you're unable and unwilling to defend any of your arguments. You're bankrupt. You couldn't even substantiate your arguments with me, so how can you even hope to get into a discussion with brothers who are far more knowledgeable and experienced than I am? And I'm a complete amateur to them. AllyourBase doesn't "care" about reading 300 page books, he doesn't "care" about registering on Islamic Forums. But he definitely cares about misleading Somalis away from Islam, due to his ridiculous arguments which have all been refuted on the internet and in books. Any Somali reading this should heed my warning: Do not get your information about Islam from ignorant people. If you want to learn, you know where to go. And if you still don't know, then private message me and I'll be glad to help.

Khayr;991236 wrote: ha ha, I see offbase gets lonely when no one responds to him. When DoctorK ignored you for an hour and half, you posted again more litter. What an attention seeker! DoctorKenney, Offbase is a bit illiterate. He is a product of his own logic. LOL :cool: I'm advising him to register on an Islamic Forum if he wants some company, but he's not listening to my advice! I ignored him because I didn't see any point in continuing this game with this loser. Just let the dude play in his own delusions.

LOOL You see what he's doing here? He's jumping into a brand-new topic without properly addressing any of the previous topics. He couldn't respond to any of my points, yet he's quick to jump into a brand-new topic against Islam. We can go all day, we can keep doing this, and it'll take months before we even get close to finishing this sort of conversation. And I've made more posts on Somalia Online in the past week than I've ever had in the last 1.5 years I've been here. Again, and I'm gonna stress this to everyone reading this: This is not an Islamic Forum. This is a Somali forum, composed largely of Somali Muslims, but SomaliaOnline is mainly focused on Somali issues. Any of the questions you have against Islam can be addressed properly if you go to the proper Islamic forums regarding it. There are plenty of brothers and sisters who are more than happy to answer any of your questions on these forums. There are entire websites, and entire books about this sort of stuff. I've refuted this clown several times here, but I'm only one man. And I will get exhausted if I spend every waking moment browsing this forum, responding to his silly points. Yesterday, I actually had to stop on the sidewalk, pull out my phone, log into this forum through my 3G data plan, and respond to this clown while standing in the middle of the street. There's a reason why AllYourBase doesn't register on Islamic Forums and pose his questions. Because he knows that there are thousands of brothers who would demolish him and every single one of his arguments. I'm a member of one of these forums myself, but I'm a total amateur compared to these knowledgeable Muslims. I don't even post anything due to my extreme lack of knowledge, compared to these brothers and sisters. Don't let this deceptive clown mislead you from the proper way of thinking. He wants to mislead those from the Way of Allah because he knows he's dealing with Somalis on this forum, who are rather inexperienced with these sorts of arguments, and don't know as much about Islam as they should. If you have any questions regarding your cellphone, you go to specific technology forums designed to answer questions on cellphones. If you have questions about universities, then you go to specific forums designed to answer questions on universities. And if you have questions about Islam, then you go to the proper forums regarding it. But this type of stuff is silly. His arguments are amateur, and there really isn't any use in a Muslim justifying himself to someone who can't even address simple arguments.

LOL No responses to my arguments. You have nothing but rhetoric and insults and sarcasm. You couldn't properly respond to Post #221 and Post #233 I'm gonna watch a movie at home saaxib. It's my Sunday afternoon and I'd rather not waste my time repeating myself to clowns

You see what this clown is doing here? He's unable to defend a single one of his points so he digresses and jumps from topic to topic! This is actually embarrassing to watch. His knowledge of Islam is nil, it's worthless, and his arguments have all been refuted in the past. He's repeating these old same arguments on this forum, and is unable to even defend his points Go to sleep saaxib

1. Saheeh Muslim Book 16, Hadith 4137. Anas reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) pierced their eyes because they had pierced the eyes of the shepherds . Read the underlined part. He pierced their eyes because they pierced the eyes of the shepherd. And he killed them because they killed the shepherd. Tit for Tat. An eye for an eye. Don't expect The Prophet to be a pacifist, who would let someone go and not punish them. And I'm gonna repeat my 1st question here: Prove to me that the Prophet's punishment of these men was excessive and unjust. You need to provide objective evidence with strong foundations. I don't want to hear any of your ridiculous and flimsy personal opinions. You didn't respond to it, you just posted the hadith and gave me your opinion. Give me actual objective evidence, because from my viewpoint and the viewpoints of many others, the Bedouins got what they deserved. And you still didn't answer my 2nd question, which is: Provide evidence that the prescription of camel urine mixed with camel milk harmed these Bedouin men and was counter-productive when it came to healing them. You need to provide actual Hadiths which back up your points. I'm not gonna tolerate your B.S. here and your changing the topic and going off on a tangent. Give me evidences which back up your point I already gave my evidence, that the Bedouin men in this hadith were actually cured as a result of this prescription, and that they grew healthy. I don't want to hear your personal opinions, throw them out the window and deal with the facts, which I'm afraid you're not able to. P.S. Repeating old tired arguments isn't gonna help you here. Get your head out of the sand saaxib, the world is a sunny place :cool:

When we say Islam does away with clergy and middlemen, we are talking about purposes of worship and practising your religion. If you worship, worship Allah. If you seek Help, seek Help from Allah. If you seek forgiveness, seek forgiveness from Allah. We are not like the Catholics who go to some Priest who "forgives" them of their sins. We are not like other religions which ask their clergy to "speak to God" for them. But when it comes to knowledge, we ask those who are experts in knowledge. People who have studied Islam for years, and have books on every single Islamic topic conceivable, complete with references from the Quran and the Sunnah as well as the consensus of scholars. And there are literally thousands of scholars throughout history who have attained high levels of knowledge regarding Islam P.S. Read the article that I copied and pasted, and read the bolded parts which I underlined, which agreed with my arguments. The Questions itself were irrelevant, and that is why I omitted them. I was only interested in the bolded hadith references. And I posted the link for all to see P.S.S Respond to my points AllYourBase. I'm not gonna tolerate your deception and lies on this thread.

Anyone can see I answered all of your questions you deceptive person. Go back to every single one of my posts, and I answered them But here you are, avoiding what I wrote and inserting your own ridiculous opinions backed by ZERO facts. Nice job, everyone can see for themselves what kind of person you are. P.S. This is not an actual Islamic forum, so any allegations addressed against Islam should be copied/pasted and sent to the countless hundreds of forums which exist regarding Islamic History and Islamic Law. You're not doing yourself a favor here by posting something about Islam in a Somali forum.

AllYourBase. I read your post, and you completely ignored my points. So I'm gonna copy/paste what I wrote before: But AllYourBase needs to provide proofs for the following: 1. That the Prophet's punishment of these men was excessive and barbaric. He needs to provide objective evidence with strong foundations. I don't want to hear any of his flimsy personal opinions. 2. That the Prophet's punishment of these men was unjust, and again....He needs objective standards to judge these actions 3. That the prescription of camel urine mixed with camel milk harmed these Bedouin men and was counter-productive when it came to healing them. He needs to provide actual Hadiths which back his points up. I'm not gonna tolerate him changing the topic and going off on a tangent. Give me evidences which back up your point Answer each one of the questions I posed, instead of your ridiculous insults and your sarcastic remarks. Prove your assertions with worthy evidence, and don't back out of it with your immature rhetoric. I'm waiting P.S. Anyone can see I responded to this clown's posts in thorough detail, but yet he doesn't have the ability to answer my questions or substantiate any of his points. This is embarrassing for him and his kind

I'm gonna start this post by reminding everyone here, that this is not an Islamic forum. This is a Somali forum, which has some aspects of Islam, but it certainly is not an Islamic forum, we don't have any scholars in our presence, and every single allegation against Islam has been soundly refuted by Students of Knowledge in other forums, on other websites, and in other books. AllYourBase posting here, is disingenuous and should not be tolerated, mainly because it distracts some of the Somalis here (who aren't very experienced in dealing with anti-Islamic polemics) and confuses them regarding their religion. This dishonest person is fully aware of this, and he's doing whatever he can to mislead the people from the Way of Allah, because he knows there aren't any knowledgeable Muslim Authors who are registered on SomaliaOnline. You'll be able to find the responses to these arguments on many other sites, and there are dozens of sites which address his arguments. They want to extinguish the light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah refuses except to perfect His light, although the disbelievers dislike it. Quran 9:32 First of all, what he's doing right now is appealing to emotion.There is no substance to his arguments whatsoever. I see none. Here's the Hadith: Narrated Abu Qilaba: "Anas said, "Some people of 'Ukl or 'Uraina tribe came to Medina and its climate did not suit them. So the Prophet ordered them to go to the herd of (Milch) camels and to drink their milk and urine (as a medicine) . So they went as directed and after they became healthy, they killed the shepherd of the Prophet and drove away all the camels. The news reached the Prophet early in the morning and he sent (men) in their pursuit and they were captured and brought at noon. He then ordered to cut their hands and feet (and it was done), and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron, They were put in 'Al-Harra' and when they asked for water, no water was given to them." Abu Qilaba said, "Those people committed theft and murder, became infidels after embracing Islam and fought against Allah and His Apostle . (Sahih Bukhari, Ablutions (Wudu'), Volume 1, Book 4, Number 234)" 1. The Prophet executed these bandits because they committed acts of war against the Muslim State. They slaughtered an innocent shepherd and stole his possessions, and then they left, like typical bandits. They even tortured the Shepherd by piercing his eyes and leaving him to die a very painful death. So the Prophet inflicted the same punishment on them, and punished them the exact same way. Quran 16:126: "And if you punish [an enemy, O believers], punish with an equivalent of that with which you were harmed. But if you are patient - it is better for those who are patient." This man would have us believe that the Noble Prophet was a pacifist, when that's not what he was. He fought, and he treated bandits and criminals the way they deserved to be treated. 2. He's appealing to emotion when claiming that the Prophet prescribing camel urine mixed with camel milk as medicine, would be harmful and that it would be counter-productive. He needs to give evidence of this. HE is the one making the claim, not me. If you read the Hadith carefully, it shows us that the Bedouin Arabs felt ill and were very sick, so the Prophet prescribed them this as a medicine, and AS A RESULT, they became healthy and strong. Now whether this incident is an exception to the rule, or a general rule is irrelevant. Because these men were cured of whatever illness they may have had, and became fully healthy again. Animal Urine has been prescribed as medication for millenia, and even many modern "alternative medicine" groups prescribe horse urine (premarin) and many other types of urine as medication. Whether all of these medications work is debatable, but it's a fact that it's quite common as a medicine. Perhaps it's a good idea to use camel urine as a medicine for certain illnesses today. Perhaps it's not a good idea. I don't know. Perhaps the Prophet's situation here was in and of itself a miracle from God. This is why we have modern scientific researchers who help find the best route to cure illnesses and diseases. If camel urine can be used as an effective medicine, then that's fine. If it can't be, then it should be discarded. Sahih Bukhari The Prophet said: There is a treatment for every sickness, and when the cure is applied to the disease it is cured with the permission of Allah, the Exalted and Glorious. But AllYourBase needs to provide proofs for the following: 1. That the Prophet's punishment of these men was excessive and barbaric. He needs to provide objective evidence with strong foundations. I don't want to hear any of his flimsy personal opinions. 2. That the Prophet's punishment of these men was unjust, and again....He needs objective standards to judge these actions 3. That the prescription of camel urine mixed with camel milk harmed these Bedouin men and was counter-productive when it came to healing them. He needs to provide actual Hadiths which back his points up. I'm not gonna tolerate him changing the topic and going off on a tangent. Give me evidences which back up your point

Khayr;991125 wrote: What are the US Navy doing in the South China Seas? Bro, the United States controls all the world's oceans. They have warships and destroyers and submarines in every sea, in every ocean. No one ever likes admitting it but it's the reality

Brothers. Look at this pathetic response. Read what I wrote. I answered EVERY single one of his questions and I gave actual references to back myself up (Read Post #199, and Post #200) Now he's repeating himself and then claiming that I never answered anything. End the discussion. Let the readers read for themselves. It's time to disengage from this conversation *Edited for grammar errors and added brackets.

You see what this Kaffir is doing? He keeps referencing Taymiyah and Albaani and Aisha when I repeatedly stated at least 10 times here......that they were WRONG on this issue. And that they were humans, and capable of being incorrect sometimes. If 98% of Muslims say one thing.....and 2% say another thing. He wants to keep focusing on the small 2%. Typical arrogance. How else am I supposed to reason with a man who refuses to argue in a reasonable manner? How am I supposed to engage with someone who throws logic and honesty out the window? Again....I hate nothing more than repeating myself. So this is the last point I'm gonna make. Read my posts and read my links here. I've done my job