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XX regardless of what you say, why should the future borders of a Somaliland State be determined by what some British Colonialists have drawn 100 years ago? Maybe you should say, "Perhaps Somaliland and Puntland can come to an agreement and divide these regions in half, or perhaps 60% of the region should be given to Somaliland, while taking the utmost care to draw borders which both sides can agree on. Obviously the British-determined borders shouldn't have to cause conflict in 2014." That would be a sensible, rational thing to say. But since you greedily want as much land as possible, you want to promote these obsolete borders
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XX why don't you answer the question yourself? If the people of Sool and Sanaag want to form a Khaatumo State, will your British-created Republic relinquish all claims to their land? Would you just stick with Waqooyi and Toghdeer and Awdal and form a Republic with only those lands? Or do you judge others while not holding yourself up to the same standard?
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XX, actually Puntland cut all ties with the corrupt government in the South, not the other way around. Now remember that Puntland actually has some leverage over the Federal Government, and they are actually capable of protecting more than 2 blocks of territory without the aid of AMISOM forces. So who looks like a bigger fool here, Qoslaaye and his gang of thugs or the Puntland Administration? You don't need to answer that question
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Ugo there's a difference between trying to appeal to someone, and generally just insulting them. Learn the difference between those two before you start going into psychological issues. I hold Cidan in contempt and I make it clear here, but I would prefer to address XX with a level of decency even if I don't like what he says
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Yeah this current state of affairs will suck resources, talent and expertise away from Puntland towards Mogadishu. And the corrupt Federal Government will only use foreign aid as well as their tax receipts to stuff their own pockets or invest in the South only. Puntland and Somaliland will remain in this handicapped position indefinitely. I really don't think Mogadishu deserves to be the capital city of Somalia anymore. Actions speak louder than words, and the last 23 years speaks for itself.
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I would imagine that this process could be speeded up if Puntland was given the privilege of behaving like a Nation without actually being an independent nation. At least until the mess in South Somalia is sorted out (which could take decades) A lot of the foreign investments, regulations, infrastructure improvements, international aid, currency regulation and other projects must have to go through the Federal Government first, which leaves Puntland and Somaliland in a handicapped position. Since they're not actually independent nations, they have no choice but to rely on the incompetent Federal Government in the South. And since the Federal Government shows no sign of actually doing its job, then Somaliland and Puntland will be in this awkward position indefinitely. It's a sad state of affairs.
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Saaxib, you sound like one of those members of StormFront. That White Supremacist website. Get a grip of yourself. Preaching separatism is one thing. Preaching that you're superior to others is something else. I've been around America, Canada and Europe enough to realize that "ethnic Somalilanders" are virtually identical to Somalis from the South. In their appearances, mannerisms and general behavior You're embarrassing yourself here.
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Don't we already have enough hotels in Somalia? And I would assume most people in Bosaso would be there to visit family/friends, so what would be the use in opening up hotels like this? Where's the massive demand in Somalia for hotels? I know I don't want to sound like I'm repeating myself, but this is very unnecessary project. Invest in projects that are actually worth investing in. Bosaso has a lot of potential to be a booming city.
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Okay, then I agree that basing a nation on a common language isn't always the best idea. Sometimes it can be a terrible idea. But I'm still wondering how Somaliland becoming independent would be a better option than Somaliland forming a Federal State within a larger Republic? If each Federal State is left to control it's own affairs, just like in the United Arab Emirates, then how would that be any worse than Somaliland becoming independent? And I'm not insisting on a Union so that the South can control the North and dictate to them how they can conduct themselves. I want a Union because I actually see Somalilanders as my brothers and I see no reason for a political separation when we can reach a better form of accommodation.
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Xaaji, again you can't use that as an argument. The people of the Horn of Africa were never united as a single state, ever. Reer Bari and Reer Nugaal were politically separated from the people of Gedo and Banaadir, for example. The people of Awdal and Toghdeer were politically separated from the people of Mudug and Galguduud. Correct? I want you to see where my logic is coming from. We had the same language and similar culture but there was no united distinct Somali nation governing the Horn of Africa. Ever. But today you never see Reer Bari arguing for separation stating "we were never united with Reer Gedo and Reer Hiiraan in the past. So therefore we should be politically separated from them" It doesn't make sense saaxib. BTW I don't like the existence of Djibouti either, but since it's already an independent recognized nation then there's really nothing we can do about it. Again, why should anyone support separation based on British-drawn borders? Nobody in Mogadishu is claiming Hargeisa. A man from Mogadishu will stay in that city. A man from Beledweyne will stay in his own city. A man from Hargeisa will stay in his own city. The same way how here in America, we have dozens of states, each state having their own separate government and their own policies. Or how in the United Arab Emirates, each separate Emirate has it's own government and it's own policies. So what's with this obsession of separation? What could it possibly gain you? And if Puntland wanted to secede from Somalia and make a union with Somaliland, would you accept that?
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You're making it seem as if the Union was unbalanced and unequal due to Somaliland being deliberately victimized. Saaxib, the entire Somalia was neglected during the 1960-1990 period, except for Mogadishu. Garowe and Bosaso were small villages before the civil war. Bari and Nugaal were completely undeveloped and the Federal Government used almost NO resources in maintaining these areas. So stop making it seem as if Somaliland was the only neglected portion of the country. Yes, I agree that the Federal Governments between 1960-1990 made terrible mistakes, no question about it. But this isn't something unique at all. There are many African countries, where only the capital city is vibrant while the rest of the country is neglected and poor. This isn't a cause for separation. Also, why are you basing your separation borders on what the British and Italians determined? Why should we as Somalis care for what the Brits have done? Why are you using British-drawn borders as a basis for a national state? The British and Italians simply got out their pen and ruler and drawn out their colonial borders. If "British Somaliland" was drawn in a way to include Bari, would you demand that Bari be included as part of your future Somaliland state? Fact is, there was no such thing as "Somaliland" until the Brits came along as set up their colony. So that can't be used as a basis for a National State. The only reason why Somalia's borders are the way they are, is because of the British, Italians and French meddling into our affairs, and now you want their colonial legacies to live on by establishing a State based on what they determined 100 years ago. That doesn't sound too good at all.
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<cite> @CidanSultan said:</cite> Saxib like I said before none of this is personal. This existed before you and I ever existed. But this is no game there is no heart for compassion, mercy or thought in this struggle. When my cities were being bombed from the air where was the brotherhood, islaminimo or even Somalinimo. We have come to understand that these qualities mean nothing this is an existential struggle to the end ether I will live or you will live. Simple So, you're just going to continue this ugly state of affairs because it was going on before you and I were born? How much longer can you keep this up? And if Siad Barre bombed Hargeisa, how is that any different than the numerous other Dictators of other countries who've slaughtered their own citizens? Excuse me, this was the 20th century, dozens of Dictators were responsible for all sorts of crimes against their own people in many countries (Jordan, Russia, China, Syria, Cambodia, Romania, Uganda, etc.). Somalia is not unique in this at all. And Siad Barre also committed crimes in Bari, but you don't see the people of Bari and Nugaal clamoring for separation. The man is dead, stop using his terrible crimes to justify separation today. Use other reasons
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<cite> @ugo said:</cite> DK, why do you feel the need to grovel and explain yourself to this lowly, insecure, attention seeker bal ?. Ciidan could be chained to a bed by his family and allowed occasional browsing of the internet right now, remember half of them are clinically insane. So just ignore him and we don't wanna know your clan, keep it to yourself. its against the rules of this forum. Ugo I just feel disgusted that CidanSultan's views are representative of a large segment of Somaliland's population. It just doesn't make any sense to me. Yeah you're right
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<cite> @CidanSultan said:</cite> ^^^ I show you the same treatment you show me...when you call me a northern seperatist. How can i become a seperatist of a country i recieved recognition before. No logic with southerners. I hope your country get what it deserves...if that is good or bad that is for God to decide. I am merely an observer of time and history...simple. But if im honoust saxib...it aint looking good for you guys...and bangladesh and Chad do not claim a land that has a seperate history, border and treaty rights the same as theirs. So you reep what you sow...or in other words chickens will always come home to roast or in other words a jahil will never get far. Maybe I never stated it clearly enough on this forum, but I hinted at it NUMEROUS times while I was registered on SomaliaOnline, but maybe you didn't actually get the point: I am not a Southerner. I am a Dhulbahante and I do not wish to see Somalia divided. And I don't care about someone's tribe or clan affiliation at all. You have such a black and white view of the world, and you have such a hatred for Somalis who live in the South that you label anyone who disagrees with you as "one of them". Authubilah, get yourself together. If you're a Muslim I would suggest you really change your attitude towards the Southerners. And ask if Allah would approve of such attitudes. Because like it or not, the world sees you as a Somali. You can show up to America or Brazil or India and the people would regard you as a Somali, and they wouldn't care about the petty differences. Have some self-respect and stop mocking the misfortunes of others. If you're a separatist, I disagree with you but that's fine. Xaaji Xunjuf is one too and I have no issue with him.
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CidanSultan Why are you so condescending and vindictive towards your own people in the South? Would you show this type of attitude if Bangladesh was going through problems? Or if Chad was going through problems? It's as if you're showing glee at the misfortunes of our country, and even if you are a Northern Separatist, what gives you the right to be happy over the woes of Somalia? Enlighten me
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Gooni, regardless of what the international community says, I would think that most of us agree that Hassan Sheikh is a failure and needs to leave office. He's a weak leader, with no vision or competence or even an ounce of sincerity. He's gotta go. And this whole ordeal irritates me even more because it gives Somaliland more leverage and helps them in their quest for independence. Somalia's Federal Government is a laughing stock, and as a result more people would be open to the idea of a Somaliland that is independent and separated from this disaster in Mogadishu
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Xaaji true. The African Union countries have an incentive for this war to keep going, because it pays their soldiers more than 3 times the salary they receive in their own countries. A Ugandan or Burundian soldier is making so much money in Somalia, that he's able to pay for the living of his whole extended family back home in Uganda And this is while the EU and the USA are bankrolling this entire operation. That's why it's so important to actually create a massive Somali Army, that's well-trained and capable of doing what the African Union does. Nobody likes the African Union being in Somalia, but right now we don't have much of a choice. This way, Al Shabaab can lose the rhetoric that "we are fighting to free Somalia from foreigners occupying our land".
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<cite> @magicbird said:</cite> AUN. I don't agree with the tactics employed but the fight against the Adoons must go on. Operation Restore the Peninsula into Somali hands. MagicBird, is Al Shabaab fighting against "Adoons" or are they fighting against regular Somalis by bombing cafes, hospitals, hotels and busy streets? I'm sure every single member of this forum knows someone who was killed by Al Shabaab, so how can you even support their cause? They may CLAIM to fight for the interests of Somalis, but their actions speak otherwise. The sooner Al Shabaab puts down their weapons, the sooner the African Union soldiers can finally leave our country
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Mooge, if the foreigners wanted a Muslim-Brotherhood styled government in Somalia, then they could have supported Abdirahman Baadiyow, who is a man FAR more competent than Hassan Sheikh. Baadiyow is actually a member of Al-Islah, which is the Somali branch of the Brotherhood. Baadiyow is charismatic, he has vision, he has leadership skills and he's the type of man which could lead Somalia in the right direction. But no, they decided to support Hassan Sheikh, an incompetent bumbling fool who spends more time worrying about his own bank account than the fate of his people
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Ummm Xaaji, leaders actually do matter saaxib. Leaders can help change a nation's mentality, they can help a nation get back on the right track, and they can develop programs to drag Somalia out of the mess that it is currently in. How can you expect a "nation" of millions of people to collectively dig itself out of the dirt and stand on it's own two feet without having the vision and competence required from a Great President? Hassan Sheikh is clearly incompetent, he has no idea what he's doing, and he's not a sincere leader. One wonders what even gave this man the confidence to even run for President in 2012, let alone win the election. There are far more qualified men who could do a much better job of running Somalia. And we need these leaders especially now, since our country is in such a fragile state.
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Dude, if you really want a profitable business plan, one that helps you become wealthy and improves the lives of the common Somali...then I suggest you get into agriculture or manufacturing. Somalia is in dire need of entrepreneurs who are involved in both these fields. We have more than enough hotels, restaurants and cafe's as it is. It's time to diversify our economy and start exporting goods. And agriculture and manufacturing is a good way to get this started.
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Somalis protest against the adoption of a Somali child by a lesbian couple
DoctorKenney replied to Admin's topic in General
This all goes back to the problem of the Somali Community not caring for it's own, things like this will be bound to happen. There should be far more well-off Somali families who adopt young, orphaned Somali children. There is no reason why we can't take care of our own, instead of having our kids being raised by a lesbian couple.
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